Poll: If only one could be with the team next year, would you choose Danuel or Tilman?

pure. amirite @tinman ?

 

I’m afraid tinman is hanging out in the realm of Lin

 

One year tax is okay, but Gordon has to take 10 million pay cut for 3year extension.

 

The demonization of Tilman is getting boring.

 

We will keep both if we win championship this year.

 

What makes you think he could have ducked the repeater tax later. This was probably the only time ever in the foreseeable future that it could have been avoided. After this year the contracts of our big 3 will take about 80% of the payroll. Unless we trade the beard or CP3 or Capela for no return of a similar contract.

 

He literally could have ducked it later, article was written about it and board capologists concurred.

Yes it would be harder to duck it later. You know what's even harder than that? Making CP3 and James Harden younger.

 

OK then but this year is the best chance and easiest year to have done so. It also gives us a lot more MLE next year that we can use to try and keep House and Faried and Rivers. With the reduced MLE next year it would be almost impossible to keep the mentioned players.

And to have the older players later means our best chance to win a chip is now rather than later since you can't get the players mentioned younger.

 

How does this make sense given how much CP3 has declined since last season and his salary increasing? If you have an old team, you try to win right now. Not next May. Chris Paul is turning 34 in 2 months time. It was well worth postponing a tax-duck. It was not worth dumping a first and a second for the MLE.

This year was indeed the easiest chance to do it, and most convenient for Tilman's personal bank account. It wasn't the best way to go for the Rockets window.

You must see that a cheapskate owner is not going to come out and say he's a cheapskate. He will have PR fluff. He will make it seem like others screwed him. He will make it seem like it's in the interest of something bigger and better in the future. This is all BS.

For what? To retain Rivers and Faried? Those players were waived by lottery/mediocre teams and signed for the minimum. Faried is a negative defensively and Rivers is abhorrent at shooting FT's and below average at hitting 3's. If they are good, we won't be able to afford more than 1 of them with the MLE. If we can afford them then they sucked. More players like that will be available in the summer, just like MCW and Melo were available. A team's contention doesn't rest on getting minimum players. Those are tweaks and bonuses and insurance. The only one worth keeping is House, and we could have kept him with this season's remaining MLE, and then using the smaller MLE to retain/replace one of Faried/Rivers.

Honestly just think about it for a second. If an owner was cheap and more interested in saving money than owners of other contending teams, wouldn't he act EXACTLY the way Tilman has acted? How could Tilman have been cheaper? Is it a coincidence that virtually every rumored acquisition was a waived or expiring players? How come the Grizz traded Jamychal/Temple for just Avery Bradley (who is guaranteed more than Shumpert next season)? How come the Bucks were top seeded and were able to acquire Mirotic for a bunch of 2nd rounders?

There's just too much evidence. If I delete the statements and focus just on actual transactions, Tilman could not have acted more in the interest of saving money than he did. He is certainly willing to spend serious money if a ring is guaranteed, but so are the other 29 owners and there are no guarantees especially for a team vying for its 1st title. The Heat/Cavs had to pay up big time and lose before they could win. If you're not willing to lose more money than the Warriors, you are just gambling.

 

CP3 will be even later and even less athletic as each year passes so why not get under the tax now and try and get Rivers and Faried AND House. If we under the tax this year our MLE raises to a level where we can do all 3 but if we go over this year we have a much smaller MLE where we can retain only 1 but possibly 2 of them and definitely not all 3. Now if we wait to try to get under the tax later and get rid of the repeater CP3 will be a shell of his former self and we will need another max level type of player to sustain our window for chips while Harden is still in his prime. This year and each next we just need a few good role players to go for a chip.

A team like GS is paying the tax and can do nothing even if Durant leaves but they have chips already. I am sure if paying House earlier and going over the cap and paying a huge repeater tax would have assured us a chip then yes we can see that Tillman should have done so but no way in hell can anyone say that a House alone would have assured us a chip. With him in RGV honing his skills we have played at a high level and since the All Star game we are maybe the best team in the league (Arguably) so why do it? Getting under the tax is a huge deal and we will see the wisdom of it next year for sure. We need to look at it with intelligence and not emotion. House could have signed a multi year deal but he chose not to do so it is all on him not Morey or Tillman. He is taking a gamble that he will get paid after this year and it won't be us paying him without that increase of the MLE so if you love House so much you better be glad we will be under the tax this year and maybe have enough MLE to get him to sign a multi year deal. I personally think they have a wink wink deal that made it where he will sit idly in RGV and allow us to sign him for the rest of the year so we can have the money to sign him for more money and signing him the rest of this season will get him some serious extra money from the nice fat check in playoff money.

 

I would choose both!

 

Daniel House played well
against the worst team in the league. Lots of dudes get wide open shots when Harden is getting doubled.

We've learned before not to over pay people for a short and skewed success?

 

I'm astounded by this logic.

If CP3 is not getting any younger and we already have Rivers, Faried and can retain House why not commit to more salary in the future for a better player than Shumpert? It's exactly when the player is a shell of his former self that you should tank and shed salary, there's no winning at that point unless we have already won.

On the second part, there are no guaranteed titles. There's no such thing, it is a hypothetical dream that luckily lands once in a generation. Being willing to pay for a guaranteed title doesn't mean you're not cheap. The Cavs paid before knowing if they'd win. The Heat paid a crazy amount and lost. The Warriors paid nothing and won. You have to take a risk, you can't just wait for things to fall into your lap when your window is closing.

You act like there is no difference between trying to win with this season's CP3 and next season's CP3. That player is aging and his salary is restricting us more every year. If you're going to duck the tax, do it when you can't possibly fit anything else. Not when he's in his youngest year of that contract and his salary at its lowest.

We will NOT FOR SURE see the wisdom of it next year. It's just gambling. It's hoping someone falls into our laps. This is not action. This is the equivalent of buying lotto tickets and saying "I told you so" if you win.

And to actually now blame House for that contract standoff. The coach sees this guy as our starter and management shelved him because he wouldn't agree to the worst negotiable contract in the NBA. Open your eyes man. This is not efficient management. This is the cheapest possible route Tilman could have taken, and every transaction has "coincidentally" cut costs, and every future they talk about predicts that someone will take a discount to come play for the cheapskate who wouldn't give a home grown starter more than the minimum.

Absurd. I'm done here. There is no logic here at all.

 

Your high opinion of what House is, isn’t a fact.

He only started because Paul was out. He’s not starting Sunday.

We entered the season as 2nd favorite to win it all. We stand today as the 2nd overall favorite to win it all.

The truest fact of this whole ordeal. House has been elevated to the level of a near/potential all star, when he’s most likely at best a 7th man and way too much crying about his availability has been had.

 

Did you even read what I posted? Ok since you are done I am too.

 

be careful Clutchfans of over valuing players
when they get wide open shots

 

House of course!!

 

House is a 7th man on average. For a top-heavy cash-strapped team, 7th men become key rotation players - which is what he's been ever since MDA first tried him. This straw man argument is ridiculous.

To get a mediocre player at slightly above the minimum MATTERS to a team that is paying CP3 $30m+. Think of it this way: CP3 may not be worth his salary, but CP3/Clark/House will probably be worth a combined $40m next season.

House is worth what he gets on the market and the Rockets were afraid to make him restricted before they caved. He didn't have to start with CP3 out, we could have slid Rivers into that role easily. Right now House can say he started 20+ games in a span where his team was 2nd best in the league and one of the best coaches in the game whose team was in need of defense trusted him with starter-level minutes.

He has been better than Rivers, Clark, MCW, Melo, Shumpert, Green and Ennis. Why won't Rivers agree to 3 years at the minimum? lol