1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Rockets #1 in Offense (by far) since benching Melo (27th prior)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by heypartner, Dec 15, 2018.

Page 1 of 5
  1. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 1999
    Messages:
    62,568
    Likes Received:
    56,296
    last 17 games -- oh, well. And to think we can get better with less sloppy turnovers, and better bench.

    Question to BBS: Do these stats have any effect on your concerns regarding what the major problems are with the team?

     
    #1 heypartner, Dec 15, 2018
    Last edited: Dec 15, 2018
    BigggReddd, Tfor3, shvedsucks and 33 others like this.
  2. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    61,683
    Likes Received:
    29,080
    The crazy part is the Offense could actually be better. . . MUCH BETTER
    CP3 is like CP2.5 . . maybe CP2
    EGO is deflated . .. more like ESO-SO
    and those are major cogs in the machine


    The work that needs to happen is the DEFENSE
    So . .. honestly. . . . who ever we bring in . . . we worried more about their DEFENSE than any offensive talent they bring
    This is why I am not generally worried about anyone coming in . .. we will work them into the offense
    but
    they must help the defense

    Rocket River
     
    #2 Rocket River, Dec 15, 2018
    Tfor3, RocketRed84, GotGame15 and 20 others like this.
  3. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 1999
    Messages:
    62,568
    Likes Received:
    56,296
    Check out Melo stats so you can see the previous Def Rating too.
     
    #3 heypartner, Dec 15, 2018
  4. topfive

    topfive CF OG

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    19,032
    Likes Received:
    37,428
    Wow.

    Seriously, just WOW.

    A really good 3&D wing guy could turn things around for us. Man, I wish we could somehow get Covington back.
     
    #4 topfive, Dec 15, 2018
    slothy420, RocketRed84, Remlap and 14 others like this.
  5. kjayp

    kjayp Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2006
    Messages:
    8,676
    Likes Received:
    7,434
    unfair correlation...
    1) Tons of key injuries early on...
    2) Beginning of season before guys got in rhythm
    3) MDA had to focus on defense wo Bzdelik...
     
    #5 kjayp, Dec 15, 2018
    RocketRed84, Remlap, roslolian and 6 others like this.
  6. aurocketfan

    aurocketfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2008
    Messages:
    2,839
    Likes Received:
    653
    Our defense is the issue.
     
    #6 aurocketfan, Dec 15, 2018
    shvedsucks and RyanB like this.
  7. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 1999
    Messages:
    62,568
    Likes Received:
    56,296
    I made no correlation. Let's call it a coincidence, then.

    Fact remains, 17 games is a significant stretch of games (at a rather large 3pt gap above any other team) to show that we aren't really #5-7 in offense. Whatever caused us to be 27th offense in first 10 games is best ignored, wrt what our problems are now, and how we should focus on fixing them (via trade, practice, rotations, etc).
     
    #7 heypartner, Dec 15, 2018
    BaselineFade, vlaurelio, MrSabotage and 11 others like this.
  8. Corrosion

    Corrosion Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    8,931
    Likes Received:
    11,385
    The only metric that matters is Point differential... where do they rank in that metric ?

    Points per possession .... where do they rank ?




    BTW Melo hasn't been traded .... he's still on the roster.
     
    #8 Corrosion, Dec 15, 2018
    shvedsucks, hakeem94 and kjayp like this.
  9. Sen89

    Sen89 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    1,688
    Likes Received:
    846
    What's crazy is that we're 29th in pace (95.5), with only Memphis playing slower. Last year we were 13th, and 3rd the year before.
     
    #9 Sen89, Dec 15, 2018
    GotGame15, Remlap, ak99999 and 4 others like this.
  10. kjayp

    kjayp Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2006
    Messages:
    8,676
    Likes Received:
    7,434
    not to be nitpicky... but the title presents it as an obvious correlation... lol

    Harden missed 30% of the games Melo played... and none since... I'd say thats a pretty big affect... jus sayin... lol
     
    #10 kjayp, Dec 15, 2018
    shvedsucks, jsingles, Remlap and 3 others like this.
  11. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2001
    Messages:
    19,116
    Likes Received:
    20,867
    But Tillman's too cheap to make this offense even more super duper awesome.
     
    #11 steddinotayto, Dec 15, 2018
  12. HP3

    HP3 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2018
    Messages:
    22,869
    Likes Received:
    32,140
    Uhh, okay so I tried looking that up, there is no(at least as far as I looked) points per possession for teams. The point is that it is looking increasingly like our offense is not the problem. We might be number one by the end of the season in offense.

    Also yes our point differential is bad, we've had the second worst defense in the same stretch as well.
     
    #12 HP3, Dec 15, 2018
    Corrosion likes this.
  13. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2008
    Messages:
    18,368
    Likes Received:
    18,379
    This thread is so necessary. Thank you OP.

    Trading Knight and a first for a big defensive wing who can't be ignored at the 3pt line should be our #1 priority. There are people asking if we should get Jabari Parker FFS.
     
    #13 Mathloom, Dec 15, 2018
    BasketMAD, BaselineFade, hakeem94 and 1 other person like this.
  14. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 1999
    Messages:
    62,568
    Likes Received:
    56,296
    correct, Net better helps measure how good you are, and whether you should make a move or change things (rotation, practice/ system focus), or stand pat.

    But Net wouldn't help you choose what moves/changes to make. That's where looking at offense and defense separately comes into play.

    Not really, if you want to talk about what we became for the playoffs last year, and thus our Run It Back system.

    We were two teams last year wrt Pace. Like @Corrosion says wrt this year, took awhile for Rockets after significant Summer 2017 additions to settle on their identity, last year.

    Here are stats before and after Harden's return from the Hammie injury, last year:

    29th in Pace after Harden's return on January 18th

    [​IMG]

    8th in Pace prior to January 18th

    [​IMG]​
     
    #14 heypartner, Dec 15, 2018
    Last edited: Dec 15, 2018
    Corrosion, D-rock, Easy and 1 other person like this.
  15. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2000
    Messages:
    21,625
    Likes Received:
    6,257
    We are 9-8 without him. Time to move on to the next scapegoat.
     
    #15 Air Langhi, Dec 15, 2018
    BasketMAD, BallSoHarden, hakeem94 and 1 other person like this.
  16. ElPigto

    ElPigto Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2006
    Messages:
    14,779
    Likes Received:
    23,346
    We have, his name is Eric "Splash" Gordon.
     
    #16 ElPigto, Dec 15, 2018
    GotGame15, farhen, Air Langhi and 1 other person like this.
  17. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 1999
    Messages:
    62,568
    Likes Received:
    56,296
    OK, but I think you might be too focused on an old debate from earlier in the season, if that's what you thought the thread was about.

    Some of us were saying (me included; MDA too it seems hence EGo starting), "Offense is a problem because we were #1 last year, and now we're #7-8" ... well ... looks like we've actually settled into #1 again, with a huge 3pt gap between us and the field -- leading me to the Question to BBS in the OP, now that we are in trade season full on.

    Hopefully you want to talk about where we are now, and not about why the 1st 10 games happened. The point of Thread Title was to show how our #7-8 ORtg is not indicative of where we are now, but rather it's a big #1 stretch averaged with a #27 stretch, using Melo merely as a historical marker for why I chose 17 games. ​
     
    #17 heypartner, Dec 15, 2018
    BigMaloe, hakeem94 and kjayp like this.
  18. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2001
    Messages:
    26,577
    Likes Received:
    35,648
    Best part of EG starting is it diversifies the offense from the get go. I like having THREE players that can put the ball on the floor to create a shot. Versus two guys and two stand still shooters.

    And further, I think with EG starting, it gives Green and House more license to look to score from the bench. They are playing with more purpose and urgency.
     
    #18 Deuce, Dec 15, 2018
    RocketRed84, D-rock and jayydela like this.
  19. Roc Paint

    Roc Paint Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2001
    Messages:
    22,329
    Likes Received:
    12,438
    Change the M to a H and turn the O and E around
     
    #19 Roc Paint, Dec 15, 2018
  20. Moleb

    Moleb Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2010
    Messages:
    571
    Likes Received:
    436
    Really makes you wonder what could Be been if we landed butler.
     
    #20 Moleb, Dec 15, 2018
    D-rock, topfive and xtruroyaltyx like this.
(You must log in or sign up to post here.)
Page 1 of 5

Share This Page

Toggle Width
Style
ClutchFans Original

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Rockets Content

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now