Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

That or he could keep denying everything and win re-election in 3 years after either a military war has started or some other distraction.

 

It's going to take more than fake news or a war for him to win re-election. It would need to be something where he could more directly control the vote through some form or fashion. Some kind of martial law.

 

He'll win again because Dems cant agree between pretend liking Middle America's core issues with a **** eating grin or flexing the coastal cities with their progressive bona fides.

Neither of which are platforms their leadership truly believes in nor has shown any credibility in following through.

I mean keeping the lights on is commendable and respectable (especially right now), but selling an ideal and standing for them brings out the vote.

 

Agreed.
The republican party is Trump's party, period. His statement that his supporters wouldn't care if he shot someone on 5th Ave is true- his base will not leave him under any circumstance, and the harder his opponents come for him, the more his base clings to him. For two years we've seen that he is utterly bulletproof to scandal- sexual scandals, corruption, lies - nothing can drag him down in the eyes of his base. For senators to turn against him is to guarantee they lose their own jobs. The only republican congress members with the cajones to speak against him have already announced their retirement and aren't concerned with re-election.

You'd need 67 votes in the senate to convict the president. Even if the dems crush November, at best they get 51 seats in the senate. You need at least 16-17 republican senators to commit political suicide. Firing Mueller won't push them to do it. Even if Mueller presents evidence of collusion, they won't do it.

As far as I know the only power that can remove the president from office is congress, and there is zero chance they'll do it. The president is essentially invincible until 2020. If he starts a war he might even raise his numbers with moderates and get into the mid 40s approval rating.

This is the one thing that I see hurting Trump - another economic crash. No level of scandal or criminal wrongdoing will do it, but if average Americans are hit in the wallet, that's the one thing that could pull his approval into the high 20s.

 

Ha. Conservative take. Ok, I accept that. Just dont call me a Republican.

I haven't followed much of the investigation. So far what has been revealed doesn't trump the sheer incompetence of politicians in both parties and the lack of outrage from the constituents of both parties. Both RNC and DNC played to the least common denominator. And the citizens of the USA refuse to accept this and instead focus on an external source.

That said, if my theory is correct and this is nothing more than a witch hunt, the hunt will go on until a witch is found. Its best we find the witch sooner than later, hang them and move on.

I dont think Trump is a good president. I dont think he is super intelligent. And I think we are much better off with out him. However Trump is a master of manipulation and distraction. I can see Trump firing Mueller as a way to disrupt and continue the witch hunt. Some might find this as crafty and witty, but its quite the opposite. Its petty and pointless and immature and very bad for our country.

If there is significant evidence of wrong doing, firing Mueller does little.

 

I am a stone. Nothing move me.

 

If he is allow to fire Mueller, you can bet in the future presidents will copy this move and be above the law, and we are one step closer to emperor Palpatine. There will not be water gate II or another Monica in the future, the presidents will stop it before anything can happen.

 

The WH spoke-"person" said that Trump feels that Mueller has exceed his authority by looking into Trump's businesses

AND that Trump has the power to fire Mueller.

The incompetent MSM does not cover the meat of this story: This will be a clear cut obstruction of justice, if Trump fires Mueller for looking into the crimes Trump committed as a businessman.

 

We the people, let's see if that means anything in 2018 and 2020, maybe it does not and we should change the phrase to We the subjects.

 

The whole point of an INDEPENDENT prosecutor is to investigate suspected crimes without those under investigation interfering with it. Fire Mueller without concrete evidences for doing so immediately result in an obstruction of justice. If the POTUS can do that and Congress doesn't impeach, this POTUS is then clearly above the law.

The only recovery after that is a future honorable Congress creating a truly independent department to investigate serious crimes.

 

Is anyone else afraid of what happens if Trump gets impeached and refuses to resign or step down? Nothing about his history, personality, or statements indicate he'd be willing to pull Nixon and resign in exchange for a pardon.

We'd essentially be a banana republic with an impeached President refusing to step down, with a large group of followers who seem to support him no matter what and who seem to make up a disproportionate number of gun owners, law enforcement, and military. I'm not saying everyone who approves of his Presidency would be willing to literally follow him off the edge- but if you get a crazy 5% willing to; **** won't be pretty. Best case scenario we'd see a lot more Clive Bundys, McVeighs etc. Worst case scenario we'd be teetering on a civil war.

 

Impeach doesn't mean much, see Bill Clinton, you have to have 2/3 of senate decide to force him out. It is not likely even if he fires Mueller, but may give the senate back to Democrats. Even with Democrats in control of both the senate and the house, it is still very tough to get rid of Trump. Best case would be for the investigation to continue to its conclusion and for Trump to serve out his turn, let the voters decide in 2020.

 

That was also his best option 15 months ago.

Sure. I guess my hope is that an impeachment in the House would significantly change the climate in which the Senate deliberates. Perhaps it breaks some of this cognitive dissonance people suffer from today and the corruption that seems obvious to me today will also be obvious to the great majority of voters in a post-impeachment world. No idea if that'd work out, but you do have to give it a shot. If the Senate doesn't convict, so be it.

Not really. This is still a rule of law kinda place. If he's impeached and convicted, I expect Secret Service will escort him off the grounds. Maybe some people grouse about him getting a raw deal or even call it a coup, but no one will be taking orders from an ex-president.

 

Apparently it's very rare for a lawyer not to end up in prison if there is ever a search warrant executed for his stuff. It usually indicates there is already serious evidence of a criminal act. Given that he is all over the transactions, I'm guessing they found clear evidence of campaign funds being moved around, used and not reported.

Nixon's lawyer (who also handled the money) ended up in jail under somewhat similar circumstances. He was also a "fixer" that dealt out secret campaign funds payouts to the Watergate buglers as well as other shady **** for the party. He also offered an ambassadorship in return for political support which seems like something Coen and Trump would open with.

 

I said it elsewhere, but it bears repeating since the GOP is too spineless to act; forget impeachment and go straight to indictment.

 

And those wondering why the investigation turned to the Access Hollywood tape...

 

Interesting.

 

Fits his MO to a tee....