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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Palmray, Nov 22, 2004.

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  1. R0ckets03

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    Waiting eagerly for the educational post from the one that regularly dines with mexican industrialists
     
  2. Os Trigonum

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    I'll nibble. Who are you talking about?? ;)
     
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    *A Spanish bolero is heard softly against the wind*
     
  4. Os Trigonum

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    this is fun

     
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    maybe I'll start doing reviews. Hadn't had a bottle of Dalmore 12 in the collection yet so added one this week. Opened it last night and had a taste (I have had it before). A bit more thin than I remember, very sweet, nice on the nose, but just doesn't seem to have much going on. Not much finish to speak of. I don't mind the sweet or the fact that it is unpeated, but just kind of boring overall. Good one for guests who don't know scotch, I may actually try to do a bit of blending with something a bit more aggressively peated. I'll also try it again in a week or so to see if it opens up a bit more.

    If I were scoring it, probably a 3/5 or an 80/100
     
  6. Os Trigonum

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    big fan of ralfydotcom on youtube

     
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    found it!! lol
     
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    Scotch whisky in the news

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/if-you...ou-might-find-this-hard-to-swallow-1516728633

    If You’re a Purist About Scotch Whisky, You Might Find This Hard to Swallow
    Secret documents outline effort by Diageo to buck long-held distilling traditions, prompting stiff opposition
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    Workers move barrels of whisky through Diageo’s bottling plant in Leven, Scotland. Photo: Mike Wilkinson/Bloomberg News
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    Saabira Chaudhuri
    Jan. 23, 2018 12:30 p.m. ET
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    LONDON—Here’s a neat story.

    The documents involved are top secret. They detail a plot by a multinational company to challenge hundreds of years of tradition. Some find the suggestions so hard to swallow they are warning of rebellion.

    The making of Scotch whisky has long followed a precise formula enshrined in law and precedent. Scotch must be distilled in Scotland from water and malted barley and aged in the country at least three years in oak casks. It should come out at least 40% alcohol by volume.

    Now Diageo PLC, the world’s single biggest producer, wants to water down some of those rules, part of its attempt to arrest Scotch’s declining market share. Last year, it formed a secret task force to explore ways to change some industry rules about how Scotch must be made.

    One idea was to finish aging Scotch in old tequila barrels instead of the sherry, cognac or port casks traditionally used. Another was to create a “Scotch whisky infusion,” a new category of flavored or low-alcohol blends sold under existing Scotch brands.

    Diageo’s efforts to win over the Scotch Whisky Association, which lays down rules for distilling the spirit—at least on its tequila-barrel idea—are already on the rocks.

    “There is not a single chance of a change of the rules,” says Gavin Hewitt, a former British diplomat and onetime chief executive of the SWA. “Whoever is saying that is talking through a complete hole in their head.”

    The company, which makes Scotch brands such as Johnnie Walker, J&B and Talisker, and controls about 40% of the world’s production, triggered an outcry once before in Scotland, which, not surprisingly, takes its Scotch seriously. In 2003, Diageo slapped the name of one of its single-malt Scotches onto a blended Scotch. Diageo called it a “pure malt.” The SWA called it deceptive marketing.

    A Scottish member of Parliament went so far as to ask then-Prime Minister Tony Blair to intervene in the “ongoing crisis.” Mr. Blair said he would “look into it.” Diageo eventually pulled the product from shelves.

    Diageo didn’t set out last year to make trouble. It merely wanted to make Scotch tempting to more drinkers.

    Ten years ago, Scotch made up about 60% of the world’s whiskey market, excluding a category called “other whiskeys” that consists mainly of domestic Indian whiskey, according to according industry tracker IWSR. Last year it made up 49%. The share of U.S. whiskey has grown from 19% to almost 25% over that period.

    The mission of the Diageo task force, according to a document labeled “highly confidential” reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, is to explore “whether potential regulatory, technical, legal or other barriers are constraining” Scotch, and “the scope for reform.”

    Scotch watchers say Diageo will face stiff opposition to any rule changes—something its task force acknowledges in the documents. One of the biggest obstacles is the SWA, an Edinburgh-based trade body that has long interpreted the rules and policed Scotch making.

    The SWA “is a big old business that’s funded extensively through all the old whisky producers,” says Dan Jago, head of London-based Berry Bros. & Rudd, a 320-year-old wine and spirits merchant. “Anyone trying to change the rules would be fighting against the general view that it’s better to protect Scotch than expand it.”

    Alan Park, the SWA’s legal-affairs director, says producers are free to innovate however they like, but “no consumer should be misled into thinking it’s Scotch when it’s not.”

    Diageo said in a written statement that it works with the SWA on ideas that “seek to strike a balance between tradition and innovation.”

    The first written reference to Scotch appeared in 1494, when a Friar John Cor showed up in tax records listing “eight bolls of malt, wherewith to make aqua vitae,” the water of life, according to the SWA.

    Since its founding in 1912, the SWA has played a big role shaping what the country’s roughly 100 Scotch distillers can and can’t do.

    The association was instrumental in writing what eventually became the Scotch Whisky Regulations of 2009, a British law that lays out parameters for Scotch production. European Union rules regulating spirits also apply.

    Some of the rules are murky, and the association publishes guidelines to interpret them. It also gives advice, and approves or declines requests by distillers to try new approaches. It can’t levy fines, but does warns distillers if they are breaking the law. It has filed suit against some it said were threatening the industry’s reputation.

    One of the most contested topics is finishing, which involves moving aged Scotch from its original cask to a second barrel. U.K. and EU laws don’t stipulate what kinds of casks can be used for finishing.

    During the past two years, Diageo executives approached the SWA’s Mr. Park about using its Don Julio tequila casks to finish some of its Scotch, according to a person familiar with the matter. Mr. Park said no, this person says.

    “Scotch whisky has a certain reputation attached to it based on traditional practices,” says Mr. Park, who declined to comment on specific conversations with companies. “That provides the framework in which we have to operate.”

    After being rebuffed, Diageo’s task force recommended challenging “the SWA’s overreach,” according to one Diageo document.

    Some distillers sympathize with Diageo. Paul Miller, owner of St. Andrews-based Eden Mill Distillery & Brewery, asked the SWA in 2016 to allow him to use chocolate malt to make his Scotch.

    Mr. Park offered to come and taste the drink, but voiced ambivalence: “Certain processes can still be prohibited if they lead to the production of a spirit which differs from a traditional Scotch Whisky,” he emailed Mr. Miller.

    “That’s like saying you can’t do anything to the spirit to make it taste any different,” says Mr. Miller.

    Mr. Park didn’t stop by for a tasting, and Mr. Miller scaled back his production of chocolate malt. “Most of these rules were created to stop people passing off cheap rubbish as Scotch Whisky,” Mr. Miller says. “They weren’t set up to protect Scotch from a really exciting, creative, innovative craft whisky development that Scotland should be perfectly placed to take advantage of.”

    Write to Saabira Chaudhuri at saabira.chaudhuri@wsj.com
     
  9. LongTimeFan

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    You know, 3/5th of 1.... ah nevermind.
     
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    My Attorney always has me get him a bottle of Hibiki 21, which is next to impossible to get in the States, and you have to know someone to get it.

    I will be trying it after work tomorrow & will let y'all know how it is.
     
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    I know this guy from Barbados who befriended a guy from Ghana in one of his cabs who had later met a guy from Croatia on a cruise near Greece who'd slept with this chick from Singapore whose best friend is a Geisha who'd been dating a bartender that once had a connect to ship Hibiki21 to the United States but the deal fell apart.
     
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    from what I read online anyway, the scotch geeks really do not like Dalmore because of their heavy use of coloring. I've never tried Dalmore before so I can't really comment.

    I think one of the more underrated single malts is Balblair, I tried the 2003 and the 1990 bottling, both fantastic. No coloring, no chill filtering. I'm probably going to pick one up if I see it at an airport or something. Prices in Ontario Canada are ridiculous because of government control, people in the states are very lucky.
     
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    I recently had the urge to try new whiskeys. Finally got a bottle of Ardbeg. Heard a lot of good things and can’t wait to try it for the first time. Ardbeg Corryvreckan is up first.

    I tried some Laphroaig for the first time to bring in the new year. It’s one of my favorites now. Definitely a different experience from my normal Mac and Jameson routine.
     
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    if you like Laphroaig you're gonna really like the Ardbeg I suspect
     
  15. clutch citizen

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    That’s what I’m hearing. I should have more hair on my chest after a couple glasses
     
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    Tried it today. It was smooth, but not worth $340. My friend told me he's seen Japanese whiskey going for several thousand. I'll stick to my vodka and rum.

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    it's not Hibiki but I find myself enjoying a nice Oban this chilly Friday afternoon.
     
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    gonna like the new posting photos feature. Sipping a bit of Balvenie 12 this afternoon while I wait for the Suns game.

    Balvenie.jpg
     
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    another picture upload. Had polished off the last of my Springbank 10 a while ago, picked up another today and cracked it open with lunch. This is a must-purchase whisky if you're at all interested in stocking your scotch shelves. sort of in the $60-ish range, but I think it's well worth it.

    Springbank.jpg
     
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    I really got to try springbank, it's not available where I live. Maybe I can find one in an airport somewhere
     

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