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(Woj) Memphis fires coach Dave Fizdale

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by DaBeard, Nov 27, 2017.

  1. hakeem94

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    fizdale using that ole george constanza trick

    Always look annoyed, if you look annoyed people will think you're busy

     
  2. hakeem94

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    AWESOME

    yeah, and TAKE THAT FOR DATA
     
  3. ipaman

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    Gasol aka "Coach Killa"

    Let's see if all the talking heads go after him like they did Harden. Let's see if Milk Hair lips start flapping...
     
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  4. I am a Donut

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    Lebron knows his rights.
     
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    Seriously. Pau is almost 40 and he is still balling.

    Marc has lots of basketball left in him.
     
  6. underrated015

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    JB? Poor Memphis fans. Next they will be trading their first for Corey Brewer.
     
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  7. TheRealist137

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    Odd, Mike Conley was the Grizzlies most or 2nd most important player and it's no coincidence that their losing streak coincided with his injury. Do the Grizzlies have any other legit players? All I see on the roster is an aging Gasol, an oft-injured Conley, Parsons (lol) and a bunch of scrubs. I mean no one outside of Gasol, Conley, and Parsons (lol) makes a lot of money. Gasol, Conley, and Parsons (lol) each make north of $20 mil
     
  8. phasors28

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    So other teams cant follow the David Blatt model that Lebron and the Cavs setup?
     
  9. underrated015

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    Fizdale over that clown anyday. He f**ked over our 2015 2016 season. His Lets foul Drummond for 24 minutes self. Idiot.
     
  10. Pen15clubber

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    You can but only if you give lebron answers
     
  11. JayZ750

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    He just turned 37.

    But he is still balling, relatively speaking.

    That said, I think Marc's age is relevant in that it seems the Grizz have already peaked and are on their way down or flat...
     
  12. Easy

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    JB Bickerstaff is going to show the world he's on his own level.
     
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    Dantoni should get him on the coaching staff.
     
  15. DreamShook

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    Lets see if the sports media believes Gasol wasn't consulted. Gasol outwardly disagreed with what Fizdale did, and a day later, he was fired.

    Harden, on the other hand, didn't say anything to the media about Mchale. When the Rockets organization said Harden wasn't consulted about the firing, no one believed them and blamed it on Harden.
     
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    JBB lands another interim head coach spot? Seriously? Can’t make this **** up.
     
  17. what

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    That's the same way on the Memphis boards. On the Memphis boards they are ready to give gasol away on a contract dump, and the return would be that gasol is gone. They are trying to get gng gone as fast as they can. They also would give mike away for peanuts if push came to shove.
     
  18. J.R.

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    Media conspiracy @Os Trigonum
     
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    http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/21589899/next-memphis-grizzlies-firing-david-fizdale-nba

    A day after leaving star center Marc Gasol on the bench down the stretch as the Memphis Grizzlies suffered their eighth consecutive loss, David Fizdale was fired as Grizzlies' head coach.

    Whether Fizdale's relationship with Gasol cost him his job or this was a more conventional coaching change to shake up a struggling team, the takeaway is the same: Memphis is continuing to try to wring every win possible out of the Grit 'n' Grind core of Gasol and injured point guard Mike Conley.

    With those stars aging and little young talent on the roster, the Grizzlies are probably just delaying an inevitable rebuild.

    Memphis' aging core

    Weighted for minutes played this season, the Grizzlies' roster scores as the league's eighth-oldest, with an average age of 28.2 (at season's end). Even that, however, understates the magnitude of the issue for Memphis because young players have sopped up minutes without really contributing much to winning.

    If we weight instead by wins above replacement player (WARP) -- using my metric -- zeroing out players who have rated worse than replacement level, the Grizzlies jump up to the league's fourth-oldest roster.

    Oldest 2017-18 rosters, weighted by WARP
    Team Age
    Cleveland 32.8
    Dallas 32.1
    San Antonio 32.1
    Memphis 30.1
    Golden State 30.1

    None of the team's five top players by WARP -- Tyreke Evans, Gasol, Chandler Parsons, Brandan Wright and Conley -- are younger than 28, and three of the five are in their 30s. To the extent Memphis had success early in the season, it was largely a product of unexpected bouncebacks by injury-plagued Evans (who's on a one-year contract) and Parsons.

    That list is an indictment of the Grizzlies' ability to add young talent to the roster. Just one Memphis first-round pick since Conley remains on the roster, and that player, 2015 pick Jarell Martin, was on the verge of being waived during training camp. The Grizzlies have done a better job mining the second round for talent, with second-year center Deyonta Davis playing solid minutes during Wright's absence and rookie wing Dillon Brooks averaging 29.5 minutes per game and rating well defensively by ESPN's real plus-minus (RPM).

    Still, there's no young talent on the roster capable of complementing Conley and Gasol as building blocks, let alone supplanting them in their 30s. Odds are that by the time any player Memphis selects in this year's draft gets to that point, it will already be too late. And if the Grizzlies somehow manage to stay competitive, the draft may not be much help thereafter because Memphis owes a first-round pick to the Boston Celtics that is top-eight protected in 2019, top-six protected in 2020 and unprotected in 2021 if not already conveyed.

    Free agency offers little more hope. With Conley, Gasol and Parsons on the books for nearly $80 million combined in 2018-19 and 2019-20, the Grizzlies don't project to have appreciable cap space until Gasol and Parsons become free agents in the summer of 2020. (Even waiving Parsons and stretching his salary wouldn't make Memphis players in free agency before then.)

    Grizzlies resisting rebuild over market concerns?

    The logical reaction to where Memphis is as a franchise would be to trade Conley and Gasol for value before their contracts make getting multiple picks and young prospects in return impossible. Firing Fizdale is the latest indication the Grizzlies are resisting such bold moves, which is understandable in the context of their financial concerns.

    ESPN's Zach Lowe and Brian Windhorst reported before the season about Memphis' revenue problems, noting the Grizzlies lost $40 million in terms of operations during 2016-17. Even after receiving the most revenue sharing of any NBA team, Memphis still lost $8 million -- and that came with a team that reached the playoffs.

    While the Grizzlies' payroll would be lower in a rebuilding scenario, the NBA's salary floor limits just how much they would save in terms of costs, and the organization understandably fears revenue declining precipitously without a competitive team or the signature stars who led the most successful run in franchise history.

    At the same time, Memphis may find out this season the same lesson many NBA teams have learned before: simply wanting to make the playoffs isn't sufficient to do so.

    Fading playoff hopes

    Through the first two weeks of the season, the Grizzlies looked like they might surpass pessimistic projections for their 2017-18 record. RPM simulations had Memphis finishing with an average of 34.5 wins, and the Grizzlies' over/under at the Westgate SuperBook Las Vegas was only slightly better at 37.5 wins.

    Spurred by solid play from Evans and Parsons, Memphis started the year 5-1 with a pair of wins against the Houston Rockets -- half of the losses Houston has suffered to date -- and one over the Golden State Warriors. Yet the Grizzlies had dropped to 7-6 by the time Conley was sidelined by Achilles soreness, and now have lost all six games they've played without him.

    Memphis is due to bounce back to some extent; half of the losses during the team's current losing streak have come by eight points or fewer, reversing a trend where the Grizzlies tended to fare better than expected in close games in recent seasons. And Conley will return at some point, though Fizdale told reporters before Sunday's game he wasn't expected back in the next few games.

    When fully healthy, Memphis could be a .500 team or better. However, the Grizzlies can't count on continuing to avoid injury -- one side effect of an older core -- and merely playing .500 ball probably wouldn't be enough to crawl out of the deficit in the standings created by the losing streak. Just to get back to .500 for the season, Memphis would have to play at better than a 44-win pace the rest of the way.

    As a result, simulations using FiveThirtyEight's CARM-Elo projections have the Grizzlies reaching the playoffs just 14 percent of the time. ESPN's Basketball Power Index gives Memphis more hope but still has the Grizzlies making the playoffs 20 percent of the time. Odds are Memphis' coaching change won't do much to change that fate.​
     
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  20. SirIvyLeague

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    Lol don't worry brah.

    No one would ever hire your scrub ass as head coach.

    Anyways, anybody that thinks just cause it's not publicly stated means it ain't happening, this is proof. No way this was an overnight decision. So many stuff happen behind the scenes, it's really unbelievably.

    Fizdale always came off as a smug, pseudo intellectual, black activist preacher and not really a smart guy. He's like a Mark Jackson esque dude.

    SIL
     

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