We have to fix the Oline to get a fair assessment. If Deshaun never has a clean pocket, how can he set up to throw and learn to beat NFL def. schemes consistently. The offensive line should be the number 1 priority going forward.
I remember when I used to argue with my dad about how I thought Tracy Mcgrady was better than Larry Bird. How freaking Naive was I....
This thread took a shift. And not to aid that shift but in terms of purely throwing the football Warren Moon might be one of the best to ever do it. Russell Wilson arguably isn’t the best thrower of the football in his division. Being a quarterback is much more than just throwing the football well(Mallett, JaMarcus Russell for example) but in terms of throwing of the ball Warren Moon is much, much better than Russell Wilson. Deshaun is no Warren Moon in these terms and I doubt he ever will be, but throwing the football(albeit prob the most important thing) isn’t the end all be all on quarterback success.
Schaub had a very accurate noodle arm. His completion % was 66+ for several years before the foot injury. He was also great at reading defenses
One thing Deshaun possesses is an X-Factor against Elite defenses when you need to move the chains on third down. Schuaby with no run game was a different animal.
Brees now is still better than Wilson, he'll put up his normal 5000 yard season on a team with limited talent. If you asked Seattle right now and not for the future if they would swap qbs for the season I'd bet Carroll would do it in a heart beat
I'd still say stafford and Wilson are equal in terms of talent I'd be ecstatic if Watson could be anywhere near what Wilson is
I wouldn't say that he was devoid of talent around him. He had a very good offensive line and very good receivers. The year they lost to Montana in the playoffs He had Jeffires and Slaughter as receivers, and an extremely talented defense. That team had enough talent around him to win a Superbowl. Unfortunately they ran a pure run and shoot offense and couldn't ever play ball control when they needed to.
When we drafted Watson I was overwhelmed with a good feeling. When BOB put him in 2nd half week 1 and he marched us into the endzone with a Hopkins TD, amazing feeling. Week 2 he pops a big one to Hopkins and follows it up with a long TD run. Same great feeling. We may not win this week and might not be a deep playoff team for a few years, but I really have a gut feeling that we finally have our QB.
Haywood Jeffires and Slaughter weren't dominant players at any point. Cris Carter was a far superior player for example. Again, Warren only played in the run-n-shoot for a fraction of his career.
That has to be one of the most asinine statements I've ever seen. Eli alone has THREE seasons of 20 ints or more, Rivers threw 21 just last season, Peyton threw 28 as a rookie, Cutler threw 26 in 2009, Favre 22 in 2008, Palmer 20 in 2007, Big Ben 23 in 2006, Favre 29 in 2005, etc, etc, etc, and so on. In fact there has been at least 1 QB throw 20 or more INTs in EVERY season from 2011 till 1993. Then we take a quick break in 1992 when Jim Kelly threw 19, and then from 1991 until 1965 there was only one other season where a starting QB didn't reach the 20 plateau. I'm not saying all of those players are top 5 QBs or anything, but there are HOF QB's that threw 20 INTs so maybe look at some history before saying something completely untrue. Not to mention Moon played during an era when defenses were allowed to be much more physical (no horse collar, no Brady rules, and so on and so forth times a million). It seems pretty obvious you didn't watch football back then, bc it's not even arguable that it is a completely different game today. All that being said Wilson is a really good QB, and I have no idea when or why this thread devolved into a Moon vs. Wilson argument.
