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Overpaid & Underpaid Astros!

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Coach Flip, May 24, 2017.

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  1. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Still find it hard to believe you are so dissatisfied with Hinch's managing and Luhnow's general managing when they have the best record in baseball. Still find it hard to believe you won't accept the only factual data that we have (their actual record). Anything you change, any players you swap in the lineup, any signings you would or would not have made results in changes to their record - perhaps positive, perhaps negative, we'll never know.

    It is universally agreed that Beltran has underperformed especially compared to his salary, but who knows, a different player might be doing even worse. Perhaps his presence in the clubhouse has helped Gonzalez become a better player. Perhaps his leadership is worth those extra millions.
     
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    He's an uninformed/uneducated troll.... I think you've made it evident of how clueless he is.

    At this point, may be best to cease engagement.
     
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  3. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    It's intoxicating....
     
  4. Coach Flip

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  5. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I am fairly certain no one on this board has ever had that problem.
     
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  6. Coach Flip

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    It's not that I'm so dissatisfied. It's that I see so much room for improvement regardless of record. I'm not the only one who's critical about batting orders, pitchers, and salaries. Luhnow/Hinch are very young and talented, and hopefully they'll learn from their mistakes. Perhaps Beltran's leadership has made a difference, and I'm not writing him off just yet. He'll be back!
     
  7. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    You said Hinch was the biggest liability. You said you could outmanage Hinch. You said the team was going nowhere with Hinch as manager. You said Hinch was clueless about batting lineups. You said Hinch does not understand how to manage a major league team.
     
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    Of course, you said you don't actually watch any baseball outside of the Astros, so you have no real way of knowing anything.
     
  9. Coach Flip

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    Yes, but he's fully capable of managing a MLB team. I think we're winning inspite of Hinch. Let's hope he learns and grows, but I'm afraid Hinch's stubbornness is his worst enemy and may be a PERMANENT roadblock to a WS title.
     
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    It's about being the very best team Possible. You think Hinch, Luhnow have time to watch other teams?
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    So, he has led the team to the best record in baseball and has worked the bullpen through 3 mediocre starters yet you can out-manage him?
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    The Astros have an entire scouting staff who watch other teams. Also, Hinch will study tapes of other teams. Do you think they just magically come up with defensive shifts, pitch selection and hitting strategy for any particular game or series? Of course, you readily admit to not knowing much about baseball (and prove it on a daily basis), so you may not know that.

    And, Luhnow watches plenty of other teams to make value judgements on players for trades, pick ups and free agent signings.
     
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    It's called scouting reports for pitch selection and defensive shifts. When does Luhnow have time to watch other teams if he's watching the Stros?
     
  14. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    You truly don't grasp the fact that GMs will regularly go on trips to scout other teams players (not to mention college players they are interested in drafting)? You don't think Hinch and the coaching staff watch film of other teams?
     
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    Yes with the exact same staff and players.

    They must've missed something while scouting Yuli, Beltran, Gomer, kris Bryant and others.
     
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    You do not appear to be very bright.
     
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    Even the Cubs had Bryant rated lower than Appel. But please tell us more about how Luhnow is bad at his job.
     
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    At some point... it crosses from mildly humorous to completely insane.
     
  19. Major

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    Out of curiosity, given your clear brilliance and superiority over all the managers (and scouts and GMs!) in baseball, why is it that you're here at Clutchfans and not out there dominating MLB? It seems like you'd have been able to wow all the front offices with your genius of looking at a few weeks of RISP data and cutting players after a few weeks slumps and such, and you'd have locked up a job a long time ago and be winning World Series every year?
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    You'd have Correa batting 8th....

    And, once again, the following is a series of factual statements. Please make a factual statement to counter it.

    With the current roster and manager, the Astros have the best record in the major leagues. They have the best run differential in the AL and second in the major leagues. They are first or second in every major offensive category in the AL without having a single player in the top 5 (and most likely 10) - thus their entire team has been producing. As a team, they are also up at the top of most every major pitching statistic.

    You cannot make a single factual statement that will prove that the Astros would have an even better record than they do now. You cannot make a single factual statement that the Astros would be performing better offensively or pitching-wise than they are now. You cannot make a single factual statement that player A would be better than player B because you simply do not know. You may suspect, but you do not know. You may even be able to make a reasonable case, but, again, you do not know.

    With the way they have played, with the way they don't give up, I will gladly take this team and their current ML best record, than the remote possibility they would have an even better record if they had other players they could have reasonably acquired.
     
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