[UK Domestic Violence] 19 dead in suicide attack after Ariana Grande UK concert

Are we not a target for these losers?

 

I don't care if it's muslims or christians there killing kids now something has to be done.

 

Read so many similar sentiments today and I don't understand it. 99.99% of terror victims are completely innocent and couldn't defend themselves, doesn't matter if children or not. Don't get why people feel like children being targeted suddenly makes this so much worse. It's kind of disrespectful to past victims.

 

Which losers exactly? All Muslims? Do we even know who was responsible for the attack in England? Were they people that were already in the country (and as a result, any immigration ban would have no effect)? And even if it is determined that they were terrorists from a Muslim majority country... you would ban all Muslims? You'd punish the many for the actions of the very few?

 

Emotional. Which is understandable after an incident like this. However, children has specifically been targets by crazies. Unfortunately, it's not new and this won't be the last of it.

 

I feel like it stems from the whole children are innocent or they're just kids type thing. I mean regardless, it's all terribly tragic.

 

This is highly insulting and shows your ignorance on the subject of terrorism.

A. Any intelligence official would tell you that the travel ban was counterproductive. Refugees coming in the country are vetted FOR YEARS. We know a hell of a lot more about them then you we do about Astrodome, SpaceGhost, and BobbytheGreat. The issue we have both here in our country and in Europe is online radicalization of our own citizens. Nearly every attack in our country has been from lone wolf home grown radicals. The ban would have created more reasons for US citizens to become disenfranchised and more likely to lash out.

(also intelligence officials have been saying for months that as ISIS loses turf in the middle east, expect a rise in these attacks as a sign of desperation on their end. Expect more of these as we continue to beat them down in Iraq, Syria, and Afghan)

B. Open borders??... So just because you think a wall along the border of Mexico that will cost 70 billion + isn't a good idea means that you are "Open Borders"... again its insulting to think that all liberals think this way. Most don't. Most want comprehensive immigration reform where people coming across the border are more easily accounted for as to track them more efficiently. You don't do this by threatening to, and in some cases breaking up families to seem "tough on immigration"... you do this by programs like DACA that allow Mexican and other immigrants to come out and feel confident you aren't going to deport them for no good reason just to insight fear like Trump is doing.

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So I have to ask... why is it that Trump fans are the only ones in this thread politicizing the horrible attack yesterday in Manchester? Do you guys really have no morals left at all? I can't tell you how much the past year has opened my eyes to how the right has become more and more embolden to show how disturbing their mentality is. Not only that... you have the mentality, the hypocrisy, and the ignorance all wrapped up in one big trifecta of disaster for the mental state of 40% of our country. It doesn't bode well for the future if folks like yourself keep stooping lower and lower into the gutter for an ideology that stands for what now exactly?

 

**** you

 

I know, but it doesn't make sense to me.
Saw a whole bunch of "children are innocent", "they head their whole lives ahead of them" stuff on social media and Reddit.

So the 40yr old man/female dying isn't innocent or still had decades to live? Really don't like to see people weighing lives and worth on a scale, nearly every victim of terrorism is an innocent bystander with a future and family.

 

if you have children, especially young one, you can relate... it has a stronger emotional impact; adult, innocent of course, doesn't have the same impact

 

So what's the backstory on the terrorist who did this? Was he a refugee, or did he grow up in UK?

 

Yes.

 

not really...

everyone, including Muslim and in particular Muslim that aren't of their crazy ideology are target of the crazies you are referring to

one of their goal is to turn we, westerner, against mainstream Muslim, so more of the mainstream Muslim would turn toward crazies... it has worked to some degree

 

Something is being done. We are destroying ISIS on the battle field and taking away their land, which takes away their ability to fund through their "taxation" of locals in those areas, and at least under Obama there was a concerted effort to seize their funds. The next step is to protect from homegrown terror, work to fight the online presence, and work with Muslim groups to fight the ideology.

These attacks are what is said to be expected more and more as we take away their turf. They will call for more and more online radicals to carry out acts of violence in the coming months too.

You know that its something like less that 5% of all identified individuals on watch lists are actually able to be tracked on a daily basis by intelligence officials? That's why you ALWAYS hear with these cases that this person was someone known to intelligence officials, was watched at one point, but wasn't currently being tracked.

You want Trump to do "something" about it... you should be pushing him to take a portion of that stupid wall money he set aside in his budget, and invest that into more intelligence officials, and upgrades in our technology to catch more of these guys before they act. Instead of tax breaks for the wealthy, maybe the wealthy can help fund more counter terrorism efforts to boost up our ability to cover more ground online and with surveillance.

 

No, I would not ban all muslims. The travel ban was not a muslim ban. The losers are the folks who claimed responsibility.

 

Libs on Twitter were blaming Trump within minutes.

 

... just as all conservatives that oppose increased gun ownership restrictions are to blame for all mass shootings...

 

Then perhaps you should respond on twitter, not here...

 

I think this is a fair rebuttal.

 

You say that but only Trump fans at least on Clutchfans are blaming Libs. Do you not see the problem with what you are doing in response?

Be part of the solution man. Stop contributing to the problem by treating your friends here that just so happened to vote differently than you did as the problem.