"How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling the tail a leg doesn't make it a leg." Abraham Lincoln
If it is the FEC that has to do the major investigation, is the head going to get a bunch of pressure from his boss to make sure fraud is found? It smells like yellow cake. Even with the souped-up ignore feature, bobby still derails threads.
No, what presidents (and politicians, in general) do is play a game of political theater - they selectively pick truths and push those to align with, and support their agendas/platforms, etc. It's then up to the American people to fill-in potential gaps with the help of an empowered press who hold our elected officials accountable. Trump has created an environment in which his lies are not only preserved but propagated to a segment of our population without filter. It is not only a dangerous construct - it is an unprecedented construct, at least in this country's history. Trump is blatantly lying *and* attempting to suppress opposition to his lies and that is a dangerous combination. There's absolutely no way you think this is normal or common. It is not. And we can't allow his actions to be normalized (any more than they already have been).
That's one aspect, which isn't atypical from past Admin, but will this Admin push it to a new level? 50/50 yes. In addition, what can and can't you trust coming from the Admin? They outright lie, so what does one do with info coming out from now on? I want to believe in government doing a sincere job and providing reports without lying, but now I can't with this Admin. Sad state of affair.
I disagree, there's nothing fundamentally different about Trump's lies than Obama's lies or Bush's lies or Clinton's lies or the other Bush's lies or Reagan's lies or Carter's lies. When presidents blatantly lie, those against them freak out as if it's never happened before but it's nothing new and it's not going to stop. You just have to have your own BS filter in which to use when listening to anything ANY president says, or just any politician in general.
Honestly what has been derailing threads lately is that our friends on the left (the majority of this board) have been pretty emotionally unstable ever since the inaugural. It really goes back to election day, but it has gotten worse since Obama was officially gone. People on the fringes of the political spectrum are all too often ruled by their emotions, and it has caused the weaker minded of the left to go completely nuts lately. Hopefully for their sake they'll calm down some time soon.
Because Obama lied about something easily verifiable like inauguration sizes and voting counts.... No he didn't. Objectively, Trump has lied more on the campaign and has lied more in his first week as president. Presidents all lie but Trump is going for the gold medal.
Again, the common theme has always been that those "lies" were rooted in truth. They may not be the whole story; they may be a result of bad information or analysis - but they've never been outright fabrications. And whether there's any sense in arguing degrees of truth.... there has NEVER been a president that attempted to smother the press the way this one has - and his administration is all of four days old. That's a potentially lethal combination.
My problem is less with the fact that he lied, but more with the silly things he chose to lie about (crowd size, election results). You WON the election - why do you feel the need to bring up voter fraud? And inauguration crowd size? This whole "issue" was started with a freakin' internet meme. What other President would even bother to address this one way or another? Most rational adults would just shake their heads and move on. He can't do that, though. He always has to have the last word. Like an 8-year old child. He has a little man complex on steroids and I think that's a pretty dangerous character flaw for the President of the United States to have.
Imagine working so hard to secure 3-5 million illegal votes and not doing it in the handful of Rust Belt states where a few thousand phony ballots would've swung the election! This is really a grand conspiracy, folks.
Not really, I actually put a video earlier of a montage of Obama telling people that if they liked their doctor or plan they could keep it and that no changes would have to be made to their plan after Obamacare was passed. That's just one example of the previous president lying numerous times without it being at all "rooted in truth", it was 100% a fabrication and it was something he knew at the time was an outright lie and it was easily verified as a lie shortly after Obamacare went into effect. I mean....it's not anything new, you could find tons of examples like this of pretty much any former president. It's only being viewed as something new as part of the freak out over this president.
Lol, Donna: "We need some help to make sure Hillary wins this election. Go to California and bus those illegals to the polls! We need to make sure we get those 55 electors!" Or is it really so commonplace among the 12m illegal immigrants that it's basically an open secret to anyone that'd bother to go into a poor Hispanic neighborhood and talk to people?
Trump can do whatever he wants and all he has to do is make a ridiculous silly claim to distract everyone. Maybe I'm thinking too much into it, but he's been doing it since his campaign started. Maybe it will stop working at some point, but it hasn't shown any signs of that yet.
But I was able to keep my doctor and my employee based health insurance didn't result in any drastic changes once ACA did pass though.
Perhaps that was true for you, but it wasn't true for millions.....and the president knew that it wasn't true for millions each time he told the lie. When Trump lied about "millions" of illegal votes, that statement wouldn't be less of a lie if they found one example of it. Face it, politicians lie. This president sure as hell isn't going to be the exception and it's no different when he does it.
Any proof that these 3 million illegal votes all went to Hillary Clinton? Because we all know only the left participates in shady activities
Why shouldn't it be a "burden" to vote? Accessible absolutely yes, but still require some effort. A vote isn't a thumbs up, like, rep, upvote, etc... It's very important.
You failed the challenge, by the way... Actually, that provides a perfect example of what I mean. For the vast majority of Americans, nothing changed - they were able to keep their plan through their employer. So, technically, what he said was true. His mistake was oversimplifying a complicated issue and applying it broadly, which opened up areas in which what he said was not true. And the press took Obama to task for it; through his first term and into is second election. Trump is, as you said, full of ****. He's purposefully lying while suppressing and de-legitimizing the press. Again, that combination is what makes this potentially really scary.
