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China installs weapon systems in South China Sea

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  1. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member
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    Regarding US conflict with the PRC. The US will destroy the PRC in a naval battle. For all of the modernization of the PRC military they are still aren't close to what the US can do regarding projection of power. That said any conflict between the US and the PRC most likely isn't primarily going to be through the military but through economic and probably cyber moves. The problem with those is that both countries have the ability to retaliate. Our economies are very interconnected and it's not like we can just cut off dealing with the PRC without some severe consequences.
     
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    On the main topic I have no doubt that recent moves such as this are meant to send a message to the US and the incoming Trump Admin. regarding the One China policy and also threats of a trade war. Further the PRC position has been recently strenghened by the Philippines dropping its dispute over the Scarborough Shoal. I will agree though that the Obama Admin. isn't blameless and the Asian pivot hasn't been handled well. That said I highly doubt that th next Admin. will do a better job and based on the rhetoric coming out of Trump will make things worse. In fact the PRC global position has already been strengthened as they've capitalized on the potential of the US becoming more isolationists and anti-trade by increasing their influence with Latin America during the recent APEC conference.
     
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    No but I also believe that our current president has way more power than the guy who's next at this time.
     
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    holy crap you guys are acting like we're in the middle ages when kings led the battle from the front. give me a break. no one is challenging Trump, they are challenging the entire USA military and security leaders and forces.
     
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    I mean, that's how it should be, but given how little respect anyone has for Obama around the world, it's actually possible that Trump has more power than Obama already even before he's in office. I'm worried that Trump is going to be an awful president, but at least he's not a little b**** like the guy that is in there now. Everyone knows they can get away with whatever they hell they want right now because they know Obama won't do anything about it. Hopefully that changes.
     
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    If you think China is doing anyone of this because of Trump you're naive. China's been acting a fool in the South China Sea for years and none of ya'll cared so much.
     
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    Just like they didn't care about the Iranians acting a fool in the Persian Gulf, just like they didn't care about Russia taking over Ukraine and pushing around Obama in Syria.....like I said above, EVERYONE has known for the last 8 years that Obama was a little b**** and you could get away with anything while he's in office. Now that he's almost gone, people want to blame that on someone else.
     
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    Not if that politician is a Republican. If it were a Democrat they would indeed be very critical.

    You already know that these people live in a distortion reality bubble. Trump can grab p*****s, blunder at will, enrich himself, use his office to sell his daughter clothes, get in bed with Putin, appoint buffoons to run out nuclear weapons and intelligence... And they will blindly follow them off the cliff.

    You are trying to rationalize with vegetables here.
     
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    Please first learn something about China before you post. Your are worse than Bobby.

    Obama held China in check for 8 years. Now trump has awakened the dragon and they will make a fool out of him.
     
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    I think Obama really ****ed up by pushing SK and Japan to settle the entire comfort woman thing. Pushes SK closer to china.

    prc has been walking all over obama for the last 8 years and the next admin was either going to toughen up or concede. Trump will be more PRC friendly than clinton2 would have been despite what clinton1 did for the prc.

    at least now everyone is aware of the struggles our military has been having in the south china sea. welcome to reality.
     
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    Lol at anyone who thinks like Casey
     
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    So China built artificial islands and stockpiled them with weapons all since Nov 8th. Wow, I guess this is really all because of Trump.
     
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    How do tRUMP supporters not wake up every morning, look in mirror, say, "I voted for big dummy," and then not crawl back into bed?
     
  14. babyicedog

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    No one respect you when you call the President "little b****" or say everyone got away with everything. Exaggerate worse than liberals.

    Very Sad!
     
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    It's just the truth guy, not any different than when you call Trump a "big dummy", Trump is in fact a "big dummy" and Obama is a "little b****". There's nothing to respect or not respect about those statements. They are just fact.
     
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    Arthur Fonzarelli say, "Sorry, incorrectamundo." (TY, Henry Winkler!!)

    tRUMP- Dumb - statement of fact. Not insult. He say dumb things, he is dumb. Intelligence revealed by what we say and do.

    Obama- Little b****- first, he actually kinda tall. Second, b****- insult - and not based in fact.

    Also, EVERYONE knows? You have Rolodex of EVERYONE and know this for a fact?

    Seems like you= very caught up in, umm... superlative proclamations and definitive statements. Not always good.

    IOW, life not always black and white. Sometimes grey. Sometimes turquoise. Sometimes crimson.

    ALL, EVERYONE, ALWAYS, NEVER.....

    Very Limited!
     
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    Unpresidented. WTF?? HAHAHA!!!

    Then, tRUMP say, "We will all say, "Merry Christmas!"

    OMG- so, tRUMP unimaginatively support form of antidisestablishmentarianism??? SMDH- his statement= perfect example of floccinaucinihilipilification b/c many will still say Happy Holiday!!! Can't force people to say M.C.!!!

    tRUMP presidency= height of incomprehensibility.

    Bigly!
     
  18. rocketsjudoka

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    They built the artificial islands earlier but the most recent militarily buildup has coincided with Trump's recent rhetoric. The seizure of the underwater drone timing certainly does follow Trump's rhetoric. Anyway the PRC themselves following Trump's statements have made threatening statements. Immediately after the election they were initially complementary to Trump. So you have Trump making statements that the PRC find threatening, the Chinese making threatening comments in response and following that taking hostile actions towards the US. It's pretty clear that Trump's rhetoric is at the minimum exacerbating things.
     
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    I don't think you understand the difference between fact and opinion.
     
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    if you think those islands were planned and built with a different purpose (non-military) and only recently the plan was changed to a militarized purpose you're too naive to provide commentary on the matter.

    the recent drone capture i agree with however trump still isn't potus so it really is a challenge to obama and his military. trump rhetoric doesn't help but neither does china's actions and rhetoric over the last 30+ years. to act like they only started NOW because of trump is disingenuous. ask the indians, tibetans, dalai lama, japan, brunei, indonesia, malaysia, philippines, taiwan, vietnam, etc... china has been pissing everybody off the last 30+ years and they really have ramped it up the last 5-6 years. that's all real news!!! trying to bring trump into any of that is horseshit fake news.
     

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