The NBA’s most lopsided 1-way players: Offensive edition

When you say the "fans", you do realize that those like you that think Harden is a bad player and put the blame on him for every single little thing that goes wrong for the Rox are a vast minority right? Also you seem to take offense with anything that proves that Harden is not the worthless POS some small amount of people think he is, and you are discrediting a valid statistic because it doesnt fit your tired "Harden Sucks" narrative, and you are being very rude at it btw, So you cannot complain too much.....

 

If by effort, you mean swiping at the ball and getting out of position... or not fighting through picks.

Giving the appearance doesn't mean a damn thing, and often is worse because it leaves you out of position to recover defensively or to be alert on defense.

The reality is that a vast majority of perimeter players in the NBA are poor one on one defenders, if they have to carry a large offensive load and play a lot of minutes. There are only a small handful of two way players that play heavy minutes, are above average individual defenders and carry a large offensive load (Leonard & Butler)..... and in both cases, they do not carry near the offensive load or have the type of on the ball responsibilities that suspect defenders do (Curry/Harden/Westbrook/Wade/Lillard).

Even players that have traditionally play very good defense (George) have seen their defensive consistency and effectiveness fade.

It comes down to the system used, and communication of the players on the court and the ability to be disciplined. Defense in the the NBA is not the same that it was even 10 years ago. It does not come down to one on one match ups very often.

 

*news flash* advanced stats aren't facts

 

lol you actually think advanced stats are facts. how much more clueless can you be

 

i don't need to disprove anything because you're not stating anything that's an actual fact. and like i said before your verifiable eye test is completely off the charts.

 

you need to read again then. that's a fact

 

Trying to quantify a player's offensive impact with one single number is folly. Trying to do that for defense is worse.

 

It's a composite number, but thanks for making the point that it only encompasses the data set that it purports to represent, and not all possible data sets ever in history.

 

We got a good old Algonquin Round Table forming on this page of the thread. Impressive analysis from all sides.

 

Do us all a favor and watch real games, watch off ball action, who picks up who in transition and if they switch when it slows down into half court action, etc. "Highlights" don't come anywhere close to telling the whole story.

Any good team will exploit defensive mismatches - it's very easy these days with switching defensive schemes being the norm. In other words, the Clippers just need a simple screen with the guy Portland is trying to hide Lillard on to create the Paul/Lillard mismatch. I don't think your seeing Lillard guarding Paul on all those plays is evidence that Portland wants him guarding Paul - but rather that the Clippers want him guarding Paul.

Same thing happens with Harden every game - if a team thinks they can get an easy bucket isolating on Harden, they will and some teams do it A LOT. I think generally, opponents would prefer Harden guarding off ball - especially in the corner because he tends to watch the game action and that makes him susceptible to losing his man for a wide open shot, or a well timed cut to the hoop and it also means Harden isn't usually leading the break(where he is devastating) because he is close to the baseline and thus has longer to go to get to the other hoop.

 

Dwight seems to be one of the most balanced players. That's interesting.

 

Harden's Beard dominating this thread with relative ease. How can supposedly the worst defender in the NBA who was on an atrocious defensive team have better defensive stats than Lillard?

No one's yet to explain that apart from posting cherry picked defensive lowlights that you could make for just about any player in the League if you were a total loser.

 

Seeing as how you are obviously biased , Derozan is a better defender than harden

 

The "Most lopsided 1-way players" chart you posted is sorted by single numbers. No?

I don't suggest any alternatives. I just think there is no objective conclusion to this kind of debate. You act like you have THE answer to the question by doing what you do.