Is saying Israelis should be moved Anti-Semetic?

How many angels can dance on the point of a needle?

 

The Israeli army's deputy chief of staff ignited controversy late Wednesday evening with his remarks which seemed to suggest a parallel between present-day Israel and 1930s Germany.

Maj. Gen. Yair Golan made the comments during a Holocaust Remembrance Day address at Tel Yitzhak.

"It's scary to see horrifying developments that took place in Europe begin to unfold here," the officer said.

The comments unleashed a torrent of criticism against Golan on social media, with Twitter users accusing the deputy chief of staff of "forgetting the lessons of the Holocaust."

"The Holocaust should bring us to ponder our public lives and, furthermore, it must lead anyone who is capable of taking public responsibility to do so," Golan said. "Because if there is one thing that is scary in remembering the Holocaust, it is noticing horrific processes which developed in Europe – particularly in Germany – 70, 80, and 90 years ago, and finding remnants of that here among us in the year 2016."

Okierock...what does this brave general means by that!

 

Link to article?

Nevermind:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tary-chief-yair-golan-nazi-germany-comparison

Israeli military chief backtracks from 1930s Germany comparison


IDF deputy chief says he did not intend to compare Israel to Nazi Germany in Holocaust memorial day speech citing ‘nauseating trends’

The deputy head of the Israeli military has been forced to backtrack after appearing to compare some attitudes in present-day Israel to “nauseating trends” in 1930s Germany.

In a hard-hitting Holocaust memorial day speech on Wednesday evening, the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) deputy chief of staff, Maj Gen Yair Golan, made remarks that he felt compelled to clarify overnight on Thursday, insisting he had not “intended to compare Israel to Nazi Germany”.

Both the timing – on the day that marks the murder of 6 million Jews by the Nazis – and the perceived comparison, touch on the most sensitive of issues in Israel.

Golan told an audience including a government minister and survivors of the Holocaust: “The Holocaust must lead us to think about our public lives, and even more than that, it must guide anyone who has the ability, not only those who wish to bear public responsibility.

“Because if there is anything that frightens me in the remembrance of the Holocaust, it is discerning nauseating trends that took place in Europe in general, and in Germany specifically back then, 70, 80 and 90 years ago, and seeing evidence of them here among us in the year 2016.

“After all, there is nothing simpler and easier than hating the foreigner, there is nothing easier and simpler than arousing fears and intimidating, there is nothing easier and simpler than becoming bestial, forgoing principles and becoming smug.”

His remarks immediately provoked outrage on Twitter, particularly for referring to the case of an Israeli soldier who shot dead a wounded Palestinian attacker in Hebron after he had ceased to pose a threat.

Among Golan’s critics was Israel’s far-right education minister, Naftali Bennett, who was in the audience.

“A moment before our soldiers are compared to Nazis, with ‘endorsement’ from up high – the deputy chief of staff has erred and must rectify it immediately,” Bennett said on Twitter.

Israel’s opposition leader Isaac Herzog, however, praised Golan as a “courageous commander” adding: “The crazies who will now start screaming against him should know: this is what morality and responsibility sound like.”

In a statement on Thursday morning, however, Golan insisted: “It is an absurd and baseless comparison and I had no intention whatsoever to draw any sort of parallel or to criticise the national leadership. The IDF is a moral army that respects the rules of engagement and protects human dignity.”

Golan’s point in his address appeared to be that – like the Israeli religious holiday of Yom Kippur, the day of atonement – Holocaust memorial day should be an opportunity for atonement and reflection.

“On Holocaust remembrance day, it is worthwhile to ponder our capacity to uproot the first signs of intolerance, violence, and self-destruction that arise on the path to moral degradation,” Golan said.

Apparently referring to the case of Sgt Elor Azaria, and the support for the soldier including among Israeli ministers, he said: “Improper use of weapons and violating the sanctity of arms have taken place since the IDF’s founding.

“The IDF should be proud that throughout its history it has had the ability to investigate severe incidents without hesitation. It should be proud that it has probed problematic behaviour with courage and that it has taken responsibility not just for the good, but also for the bad and the inappropriate.

“We didn’t try to justify ourselves, we didn’t cover anything up, we didn’t whitewash, we didn’t make excuses, and we didn’t equivocate. Our path was – and will be – one of truth and shouldering responsibility, even if the truth is difficult and the burden of responsibility is a heavy one.”

Despite the release of a statement by the Israeli military insisting Golan was not comparing Israel with Germany in the 1930s, his remarks drew wide attention from columnists in Israel’s morning papers.

Yossi Yehoshua, in Yedioth Ahoronoth, described the speech as problematic, writing: “The comparison to the Holocaust, at the time and place it was made, will only serve to make him the object of criticism and will dull the message that he wanted to convey.”

Yoaz Hendel, in the same paper, was even more forthright: “The Holocaust is different because it involved a racial doctrine, a hatred of the other, popular support and an extermination mechanism that was directed against a minority that did everything in its power to integrate into society. It was absolute evil.

“There is no similarity between what happened then and trends on the fringes of Israeli society – no matter how fraught our debates here about warfare morality or the state of discourse in the social networks become.”

 

In rare joint appearance, Saudi prince, ex-Netanyahu adviser spar over peace

http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-rare-appearance-saudi-prince-ex-netanyahu-adviser-spar-over-peace/

 

http://livestream.com/washinstitute/wfc/videos/122059590


the last 3 minutes was very ..interesting

 

I can only guess, but my guess is that the horrifying actions of one soldier can be seen by the rest of the world as having a lack of respect for your fellow man that the nazis had and rightly so. That if you are Israel, and under a constant moral microscope that no other people or government is under, you can never let your mind wander or your guard down. The world around you can behead and murder and rape and pillage but you must remember who you are and what you stand against and that you are not part of that world.

I could be wrong, but I'm certain that you are wrong about what he meant.

 

Why is it that Israel is always the first to the negotiation table and the last to leave the table? You say the Israel doesn't want peace, do you believe that the refugees want peace?

 

Israel isn't always first to the negotiating table and the last to leave. There is a level of distrust on both sides.

When the Palestinians attacked Israel after agreements, Israel has plenty of reason for distrust.

When the Palestinians opted for peace in the "land for peace" deal, but Israel continued building illegal settlements and never gave back land despite the peace, the Palestinians have little reason to trust Israel.

Like with most things in the region both sides have plenty of blame.

 

Make no mistake - while not everything every Israeli government has done may be right, Israel is the side that stands for freedom. The other side stands for subjugation of women, gays, killing of apostates. Israel does none of these things.

 

That's an extremely one-sided view of things.

Israel has a right to defend itself. Last time I checked, it was the Palestinians who teach their children to hate in school books, not the Israelis. It was the Palestinians who target civilians in murderous attacks, while the IDF tries to avoid hitting civilians.

Except that I never said that.

Everyone knows you are an idiot. I don't even need to remind anyone of that.

 

It's weird that you think that. Israel has the power to do just that, if that's really what they wanted, why wouldn't they just do it? They could roll over the Palestinians and shove them out into Jordan and Egypt in less than a month if they wanted to and according to you that's what they want so why don't they just do that?

Why would they put up with constantly being attacked by the Palestinian people if they really wanted them out? Why not just crush them?