I'm getting impatient waiting for the wingnuts to explain that Bernie's stay at Sha’ar Ha’amakim was a communist plot.
Its not exactly a wonder why Hillary or any other politician votes for. Its really sad to see the majority of people vote down the party lines, acting like the candidate they support is different from the one they oppose. They completely ignore the fiscal responsibility of their candidate and instead revert back to the politicians slight of hand of the social injustices. We find the candidates position on abortion more important than what is actually being done for the welfare of the children after they are born, despite abortion is going no where. We are more concerned about whether trans gender people have a right to use whichever bathroom they feel like for the day, speaking as if they are not allowed to use the bathroom at all. We are too concerned about whether gay people get state recognition for marriage, and again, treated as if every Christian and Republican are hiding in an ally waiting to lynch a gay person should they walk by; When in fact politicians of both parties are busy distracting the people with largely insignificant issues in the media while they are busy making back room deals that affect everyone, making back room deals that further divide the haves and have nots. Not one candidate is remotely addressing the impending college education bust that is quietly strapping the lower classes with tens of thousands of dollars in debt that can't be discharged. We could keep going with very significant issues that affect the middle and lower class, but instead, the cry is that they just need more "free free free" instead of working on solutions to allow these people to provide for themselves.
I doubt anyone on the right is going to take a shot at Bernie, in fact, they'll likely support him knowing that he has no chance of winning a national election. It's similar to people on the left that love the Trump candidacy, they view it as a free win.
There are more communist countries than there are countries who outlaw abortion. Quit trolling with your nonsense.
Bobby, do you sincerely believe that Republicans aren't unanimously going to attack Bernie on a personal level? Quit playing here and let's be serious for a second. Do you genuinely believe that? Just think about how they behave against political opponents in this election season alone, which is not their worst. Are you seriously alleging a bunch of them haven't already characterized him as a dictatorial communist when he's in fact a very moderate democratic socialist? Come on man. We all understand the false bravado that comes with being a right winger but we're on a discussion board here, there are no points for PR here. They are going to attack him and you knowing them better than we do, you can't seriously expect us to believe that you believe that. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ENwpdgPMdMk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> And I know your first reaction is to say Bernie has done the same. Yes he has. But that's not what we're talking about. You're saying no one on the right will attack him. And they will. They have. And they're going to do it in the most disgusting way, by taking advantage of the fact that the huge majority of their voters are in the age range where they remember the government terrorizing them with the word communist. It makes Americans uncomfortable, even most Democrats, especially every single Republican. As if Republicans have any problem with redistributing wealth - they have always been FOR distributing it upwards. The good news is, Bernie is whooping every single Republican in national polls after Iowa, except for being tied with Rubio in a couple of polls. Hillary is not doing as well against any Republican as Bernie is doing against each of them. It's already highly unlikely the current Republican party ever wins an election again, but to suggest that Bernie is the best bet. Come on. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/pQLIcl1nhAs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Yeeeeeeah, there are almost no communist countries and almost no countries outlawing abortion. There are what 5-6 DEBATABLY communist countries out of 200+ lol. I guess that makes the rest capitalist in your world! No one wants those things, so obviously we don't have lots of communist countries or countries banning abortion. I don't understand how that's relevant. But that's not the question. I genuinely wasn't sure if you were implying that abortion should get more air time in MAJOR POLITICAL ELECTIONS in the year 2016? Consider for a moment that the defense budget has barely made it into debates and surveillance has been practically absent from most debates too. Do you really think a big issue here is how much we talk about abortion, an issue where those who don't want to have abortions can NOT HAVE abortions and those who want it can do it? Do you think that position is really going to change to where people who want to abort their fetuses will be incapable of doing so? America doesn't want that, and every new generation that comes into the political process wants it more than everyone else, and every generation which dies wants it less than everyone else. It's not going to change. I got to tell you, there is a country I KNOW VERY WELL where women who are not married can't get abortions. They still somehow find morning after pills, and this is in a country least likely in the world for you to find an illegal drug. It's not going to stop. The only people who get screwed? Those who can't afford to buy it on the black market or fly to another country and get an abortion. You know what they end up doing? Either killing their living babies and burying them secretly or leaving them near garbage cans for people to find them. True story. 2016. Is that where you want to live? Do you think women are going to have babies they can't raise, and then just give them away without it wrecking their life or endangering the baby's life? I have bad news for you man. Abortion is only going to become more popular, and it's going to increase forever, and in literally every country ever except for the occasional hiccup or setback here and there. I'm not talking about Western Europe and America. I'm talking even countries like Saudi Arabia, entire continents like Africa, Iran, India, Pakistan, Russia. Like, everywhere where there are women. People love the option of abortion. Most women especially love having the ability to control their body and their life. Doesn't affect anyone else. Never going to change because we have seen that despite hoards of money and lobbying, it couldn't be stopped. No point talking about it.
I think most people on the right prefer Bernie Sanders winning the Democratic nomination, once/if that happens, then of course they'll attack him but as for now, it's just the fringes like Trump/Coulter doing so. Coulter is a Trump supporter so of course she'd parrot pretty much anything he says and she'd attack anyone he attacks. Both of the candidates on the Democratic side are deeply flawed just like those running for the Republican ticket. That said, Hillary has a ridiculous fan club that will support her literally no matter what. In fact, anything she does wrong, they'll blame it on a "vast right wing conspiracy". Due to that, I think Bernie is the easier to beat because while his "free stuff" rhetoric will fly in the primaries, it's too easy to clown on in a national election.
Yes, I did think you were trolling. That said, I am focusing on US elections and its candidates, not the actual meat of a debate. You're drifting from my point. To answer your question, its not the actual debate of abortion, its strongly choosing or rejecting a candidate based on their views of abortion or other social issues. Its letting the power hungry candidates like Hillary/Cruz/Trump either weed out better candidates or simply get elected. Sure sure, I get the bleeding heart liberals who feel these issues are so important that gays must get their right to marry, or transgenders get their right to choose their restroom for the day, but your Bushes, and Obamas and Clintons are letting the bankers and the wealthy run a muck, giving insurance companies more power than ever, letting tuition costs sky rocket, giving kids an unlimited line of credit to goto school, enabling policies that encourage people to purchase homes they can't afford, ect ... ect ...
A joke going around is that Hillary's researchers are trying to claim that Bernie is not authentic because he had an account with a large bank and got free checking.
I see what you're saying, but those are not bleeding heart liberal ideas. Those are mainstream views of Americans, and with each passing day becoming mainstream views of voters. The Bushes, Obamas and Clintons are letting the wealthy run a muck for sure but none of them are putting LGBT or abortion at the forefront of their platform. Ahead of economic reform, wall street accountability, poverty, foreign policy? Nah. It's a useful tool to generate a PR soundbite, but no one is going to make major dents in those conversations when in the oval office. Those issues have significantly been addressed already or on track to be solved in the near future. We may disagree because I think those are wonderful things for Americans to achieve, but neither lgbt issues nor abortions are major issues for the overall American population right now and I think it's absolutely fair that they don't cloud the current discussion. It holds such little significance in a period where it seems people on the right and left are sick and tired of status quo and fierce debate about lgbt and abortion positions are inextricably linked to status quo candidates, positions and issues. I just think the ship has sailed and if by now the right of homosexuals to get married in America is still a low value victory for someone, then they should be prepared for guaranteed disappointed as long as there is some semblance of democracy left over in the country. It's just completely irrelevant and if there's a candidate who might reverse government policy on those issues then they are running against the populace rather than running to serve the populace. It's not indicative of good character or goals.
I think the point is they'd rather have Bernie get the nomination, then unleash the hounds. They can and will swiftboat the ***** out of him. Ironically, Hillary's high negatives work in her favor here. She's been in the crosshairs being attacked at fever pitch for decades. It would be very difficult to actually raise her negatives, she's been vetted to hell and back again. Once she gets the nomination and the attacks begin in earnest, for her it's just more of the same ***** she's seen for 20-25 years. Bernie, though, who knows what stories and figures from his past can be cooked into boogeymen. He's never been nationally vetted by the opposition; people are still in the process of learning that he exists.
Of course as Eliazabeth Warren noted Hillary changed her opposition to the bankruptcy restriction bill when she was elected senator and starting getting money directly from Wall Street. <iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/12mJ-U76nfg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
That didn't take long! After Sanders' Kibbutz Past Revealed, Right-wing Critics Blast His 'Stalinist Past' 'Bernie Sanders wasn’t there because he liked Israel,' Frontpage Magazine accuses after Democratic candidate's stay at Kibbutz Sha'ar Ha'amakim revealed by Haaretz. The Forward and Nathan Guttman Feb 06, 2016 10:04 PM Senator Bernie Sanders, an independent from Vermont and 2016 Democratic presidential candidate, speaks during a campaign rally at the Franklin Pierce University Fieldhouse in Rindge, New Hampshire, U.S., on Saturday, Feb. 6, 2016. Senator Bernie Sanders, an independent from Vermont and 2016 Democratic presidential candidate.Bloomberg Mystery solved: Haaretz archive reveals which kibbutz Bernie Sanders volunteered on Sanders in 1990: Wish U.S. would pressure Israel harder on Palestinian issue In search of kibbutzniks who remember Bernard Sanders I t took just a few hours from the moment news broke that Bernie Sanders had volunteered decades ago on a hard-left kibbutz in Israel for right-wing critics to start lobbing ever-scarier adjectives at him. The surging Democratic presidential candidate’s stint at Kibbutz Sha’ar Ha’amakim in northern Israel proves to conservatives that he isn’t just a “socialist” but a hard-core Marxist or even a “Stalinist,” far outside the American mainstream. “Bernie Sanders’s 1963 stay at a Stalinist kibbutz,” was the title of Thomas Lifson’s piece on the site American Thinker, posted soon after the kibbutz was identified after months of mystery. Over at Frontpage Magazine, Daniel Greenfield’s article ran under the headline: “Bernie Sanders Spent Months at Marxist-Stalinist Kibbutz. The descriptions seem damning, especially from the perspective of more than 50 years since Stalin’s death and the world’s absorption of the reality of his murderous, dictatorial and anti-Semitic regime. Yet at the time, as the two right-wing websites point out, Hashomer Hatzair, the kibbutz movement that Sha’ar Ha’amakim belonged to, had quite a different perspective. On the day of Stalin’s death, March 5, 1953, the front page of Al Hamishmar, the movement’s newspaper, carried a photo of the late Soviet leader under a full-width headline: “The Progressive World Mourns the Death of Stalin.” Greenfield at Frontpage concludes: “Bernie Sanders wasn’t there because he liked Israel. Hashomer Hatzair did not like Israel. It ultimately wanted to destroy it.” The movement’s admiration years earlier for Stalin notwithstanding, that is a perspective it would be hard to find any historians to support, given Hashomer Hatzair’s central place within the Zionist movement from its earliest days. Hashomer Hatzair’s contributions to Zionism have included the service of many of its leaders as Israeli government ministers, and the role of many of its members in the pre-state Zionist military force, the Haganah, its shock troop militia, the Palmach, and later, the Israeli Army. The heroism of Hannah Senesh, a Hashomer Hatzair member who died trying to rescue Jews in Europe during the Holocaust, is taught even today to Israeli school children. Nevertheless, in Lifson’s view, Sanders’ “sojourn in an Israeli communist kibbutz is fully consistent with Sanders’s honeymoon visit to the Soviet Union… his visit to Nicaragua’s Sandinista revolutionary leader Daniel Ortega as the first U.S. elected official … and his 1980s visit to Cuba where he met with the mayor of Havana….So far as I know, Bernie Sanders has never repudiated his Stalinist inclinations.” According to Greenfield, “He was there because he was far left. Perhaps even further left than he has admitted.” Sanders’ time on the kibbutz, where he lived for a few months with his ex-wife, Deborah Messing (born Deborah Shiling) is referenced in virtually every profile of the candidate. But the Sanders campaign has been tight-lipped about the name of the kibbutz, leaving journalists in Israel and the U.S. searching fruitlessly for months. It was only on February 4 that Yossi Melman, a longtime Israeli national security journalist, unearthed a 1990 interview he did with the candidate in the Israeli Haaretz newspaper, in which he revealed that the kibbutz in question was Sha'ar Ha'amakim. By 1963, when Sanders did his volunteer work, Hashomer Hatzair’s admiration for Stalin had greatly faded, though not yet vanished. At the time, no one thought it unusual. Nevertheless, the movement’s historic sympathy for the ruthless Soviet leader is viewed as astonishing nowadays. From Israel’s founding in 1948 to at least a couple of decades afterward, Israel’s dominant political and social culture was socialist. Most of the intense ideological debate among its political intelligentsia focused on what flavor of socialism had the correct line. Even under Stalin, the Soviet Union, after its massive national sacrifice of more than 20 million lives in the battle to defeat Hitler, was viewed by segments of the Zionist-left as a model society worthy of adoption, at least in part, by the nascent Jewish state. Many were also grateful for Stalin’s crucial decision to provide arms to Israel, through Czechoslovakia, at its birth, in 1948, when armies from five Arab countries attacked it and sought to choke the new state in its cradle. During this same period, in contrast, the democracies of the West were enforcing a ban on arms sales to all parties involved in the conflict, effectively hamstringing Israel’s efforts to obtain weapons against its better armed adversaries. Still, the moderate left and the larger kibbutz movements took issue with Stalin’s dictatorship and his hostility to Zionism early on, leading to heated debates and painful breakups within kibbutzim. But Hashomer Hatzair was late to reach this recognition. The movement began to turn its back on the “Sun of the Nations” only after the 20th Congress of the Communist Party in 1956, when Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev gave a secret speech—soon disclosed worldwide—denouncing the recently deceased Stalin’s atrocities. By the time Sanders arrived at Sha’ar Ha’amakim, in 1963, the kibbutz had cooled greatly on Stalin but was still a socialist heaven, practicing communal sharing in almost all aspects of life. But it is fair to assume that Stalin’s photos no longer adorned the communal dining room. The Internationale, a renowned workers’ anthem, was still sung at kibbutzim and youth movements many decades later. Hashomer Hatzair was a staunchly Zionist movement back then and it remains so now. The group now exists mainly as a youth movement. It asserts the right of the Jewish people to a homeland in Israel, and its members have played throughout the years key roles in Israel’s government and military. Still, Sanders might have a hard time explaining all this to Americans – conservatives and liberals alike – whose views on Stalin, Marxism, and the Soviet Union were shaped through the prism of the Cold War, not that of the international socialist movement. Moreover, he may also have to deal with critics from the left. Some on that end of the spectrum are already looking deeper into Kibbutz Sha’ar Ha’amakim and the land it sits on. A commenter on the Forward website wrote: “keep in mind, Mr. Sanders was living and working on a ‘settlement’, despite the fact that it was a most socialist society you could ever dream of.” Sha’ar Ha’amakim, according to the Kibbutz’s official history, was established on land purchased by the Zionist movement from absentee Arab owners in 1925. Zionist historians point to documentation that the 60 or so tenant farmer families then actually working the land were compensated to evacuate it. But as with much historiography when it comes to land tenure issues in what was then Palestine under the British Mandate, facts and contexts are hotly disputed. When the kibbutz sought to evict the tenant famers and take control of the land in 1935, the local Arabs resisted. For Sanders, it seems, finding the kibbutz he lived in 50 years ago, can bring nothing but trouble.
...always wondered, myself... ...seeing as America is a Christian nation...God hates f&gs...homosexuality is a big no-no, et al... ...why more criminals don't just come out and admit they're gay or lesbian? Would save a lot of people a lot of time...look how well that's worked for Negroes... Some things you can say about lgbt people, on average... they don't rob banks they don't commit stock fraud they actually don't mind working a regular job they don't go on mass shooting sprees they don't get into armed conflicts with federal officials ...or maybe it's just, the liberal media doesn't report it... ...gotta promote those communist agendas, after all...
..oh, really? You mean like the generalization that all Republican/conservatives aren't racist... ...but every racist is Republican/conservative? ...or higher per capita incarceration rates among Negroes means they commit more crimes than everybody else? Those kinds of generalizations? ...and I'll be any kind of moron I please, thank you very much. it's in my n!gger dna after all...
