Saudi Arabia to lower oil prices, the houston boom is over

Haymitch · Feb 4, 2016

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There are plenty of companies within the energy sector that are doing well or may not be affected at all. Downstream companies like CVR Energy. Supply & Trading companies are also not tied to commodity prices. Some of the services companies performed very well in 15. "O&G" is a vague term but I understand why some people wouldn't know any better if they haven't worked in the industry.
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Yeah that's what I was getting at. I work in supply and trading for a major, and we're fine. Actually hiring people.

Yonkers · Feb 5, 2016

I'm getting hit up for contract IT work at Exxon. Anyone know what's going on there?

Cohete Rojo · Feb 5, 2016

Yonkers said: ↑

I'm getting hit up for contract IT work at Exxon. Anyone know what's going on there?
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Which IT field?

Yonkers · Feb 5, 2016

Cohete Rojo said: ↑

Which IT field?
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Network. How is the morale there now? Exxon has downstream business, right? Is that helping? How's working in IT there? Specifically, how is contracting there? Some people tell me they treat contractors poorly.

Cohete Rojo · Feb 5, 2016

Yonkers said: ↑

Network. How is the morale there now? Exxon has downstream business, right? Is that helping? How's working in IT there? Specifically, how is contracting there? Some people tell me they treat contractors poorly.
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Wouldn't know but it may be related to their new HQ in the Woodlands.

Sajan · Feb 6, 2016

i feel like prices are starting to drop for the new developments in the westu/rice military/montrose area.

before you couldn't find anything under 500K...but i am starting to see a few "priced reduced" listings on HAR.

Cohete Rojo · Feb 6, 2016

Sajan said: ↑

i feel like prices are starting to drop for the new developments in the westu/rice military/montrose area.

before you couldn't find anything under 500K...but i am starting to see a few "priced reduced" listings on HAR.
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There's development ongoing near Royal Oaks (westide of Beltway 8) off of Kirkwood. Hard to think they are going to find buyers at $500k.

ubigred · Feb 6, 2016

Cohete Rojo said: ↑

There's development ongoing near Royal Oaks (westide of Beltway 8) off of Kirkwood. Hard to think they are going to find buyers at $500k.
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Yea saw it today. Closer to Hwy 6. Doubt $500k

Dairy Ashford · Feb 7, 2016

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LA Times reporting on how the O&G situation is impacting Houston

Nothing new to those of us who are living and experiencing it, but figured I'd share anyway. Some exaggerated east Houston vs west Houston stuff. Seems like the reporter basically went to Las Ventanas (near Lupe and Watsons off highway 6) and just grabbed some quotes.

Oil prices drag down white-collar industry workers in Houston but lift blue-collar ones

In the oil business, one man's bust is another man's boom.

As the price of crude tanked in recent months, oil companies have halted work at south Texas oil fields, laying off tens of thousands of workers. Home prices have taken a big hit, as have hotels, restaurants and all the other businesses that cater to corporate boardrooms and globe-trotting petroleum engineers.

But in this Gulf Coast refinery hub about 30 miles east of Houston, business is good. Really good.

"My company loves it when oil prices go down," said Eric Schuelzke, 31, a process technician at an ExxonMobil refinery, one of a roomful of workers in refinery caps and blue coveralls who were busy downing fried shrimp and "Driller" pizzas here at Pipeline Grill. The parking lots in this part of town are filled with gleaming $60,000 Ford F-150 and Chevy Silverado pickups, some from as far away as North Dakota.

"The guys in the offices are getting laid off, not us," said Jimmy Phinny, 30, a process technician for Chevron. "I'm not hurting at all."

As the price of crude oil has veered south over the last year, Houston has become a city of contrasts. Most of the pain has been felt in "upstream" management of crude production — among white-collar geologists and engineers in corporate offices clustered on a stretch of Interstate 10 known as the "Energy Corridor" on the city's west side.

The "downstream" refineries, along another stretch of Interstate 10 to the east, now pay less for the crude oil they process. They are in the midst of a more than $50-billion construction boom, and their blue-collar employees are working round-the-clock shifts.

"Houston is unique as a metro area in having that kind of balance," said Bill Gilmer, director of the University of Houston's Institute for Regional Forecasting. "That cultural split is going to be there for a long time. It's a red-neck, white-collar kind of split. That always leaves the east side of town with an inferiority complex, which makes it more fun when they get a leg up."

Of 40,000 estimated jobs lost in the oil and gas sector in the Houston area last year, many were on the west side, including about 13,000 white-collar professionals — lawyers, accountants, engineers, architects and consultants.

As the downturn lengthens, total job losses in the region could continue, Gilmer said. But they will not be as hard a blow as the last big bust in 2008, he said, and will be cushioned this year by job gains in other sectors, including 10,000 new construction jobs on the industrial east side.

Some of the largest refineries in the world ring the Gulf Coast, including ExxonMobil's Baytown plant. They were already expanding to meet demand for liquefied natural gas and ethylene, a building block for plastics derived from natural gas, and now they have cheaper crude to process for gasoline.

The plants form a glittering cityscape on Baytown's swampy horizon, framed by construction cranes. Last week, companies were hiring and RV parks were full of new arrivals; the city's main drag was clogged with traffic.

"The east side has emerged," said B.J. Simon, associate executive director at the Baytown-West Chambers County Economic Development Foundation. "The impact of construction has had a cascading effect here."

Schuelzke and his friends didn't attend college and instead started work here for more than $60,000 a decade ago in a field that now pays six figures. Their companies have been hiring steadily, about 20 new operators a quarter.

A refinery veteran sitting nearby chimed in that he tried to retire from ExxonMobil last year, but he was so in demand as a trainer that he returned.

Around town, building crews are at work on new grocery stores and restaurants. Pipeline Grill opened in 2013; there's a new Target, Starbucks and Kroger grocery store about to open, but Baytown's still a long way from rivaling upscale west Houston.

"The west side, they always get the nice housing, the hospitals and freeways. We're like the armpit of Houston," said the trainer's wife, Erin, 57, who also works for an oil company and, like her husband, did not want to give her last name to avoid upsetting superiors.

"But in this economy, you're much safer as a blue-collar worker," her husband said.

The restaurant's owner, Andrew Rosenberg, recalled how he almost opened his restaurant on the west side before banking on Baytown.

"Thank goodness I built it by the refineries, not the oil corridor," he said. After halting plans to build near ExxonMobil's new campus north of Houston, he added a second location in December in nearby La Porte and is opening a third by year's end in the working-class Gulf Coast town of Lake Jackson, near Dow Chemical.

Over on the west side, luxury town homes sit empty, and million-dollar homes that once sold within 48 hours linger on the market weeks later. The Energy 10 office park has vacancies, as does the new Energy Center 5 office tower.

"It doesn't have a tenant," said Clark Martinson, general manager of the Energy Corridor District. Who, he asked, would be interested in moving into that empty building when there's plenty of space available in BP and other oil company towers nearby?

Martinson has friends who have taken early retirement, sold summer homes or unloaded their homes here and moved into rentals.

"People were happy, living fat, and now it's leaner," he said. "It's going to take a while for us to weather what's happening with oil prices."

Four years ago this month, oil commanded $98.48 a barrel. On Monday, a barrel sold for $30.34.

That price drop is hurting the west side Mexican bistro Las Ventanas, which caters to oil and gas professionals from nearby office complexes and has seen business lag.

Doug Poteet, 49, an offshore engineer, complained over lunch that "massive layoffs" have forced friends with decades of experience in the oil industry to go to work for UPS, Uber and car dealerships.

"What work there is, people are just almost cutting throats to get," he said.

His lunch companion, Richard Gainey, 58, a pipeline engineer, was laid off in September and applied to the refineries to the east, only to discover his experience didn't translate.

"They're not hiring people from the upstream side. There's a barrier to overcome. The recruiters are looking for a specific set of skills," he said.

With Poteet's help, Gainey had just snared a job with another west side oil company. But Poteet wasn't sure other unemployed friends with homes and families would be as fortunate.

"If this goes on another year, you're going to start to see foreclosures," he said.

Another diner, a geophysicist named Bill, saw his entire department eliminated in October. He's still working a bit with the company but as a consultant.

"There's an awful lot of us out here now," said Bill, who asked that his full name not be used because he's still looking for a job in the industry. In his 36 years in the business, he said, he's never seen a worse downturn. He's still got his house in nearby Katy and a vacation home to the north on Lake Livingston, but he's not sure how long he can hold on to them.

He was surprised to hear Baytown is booming, and smiled at the news.

"Well good for them — east side," he said.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-oil-20160126-story.html

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The larger companies are probably too integrated for this split in fortunes to be too pronounced commercially, but anyone who grew up east of I-10 understands the distinction in cultures and fortunes. It would have been nice if they mentioned the diversity of some of these places for well-paid, non-degreed jobs, particularly for ex-military. A little worried they might be overstating the salaries a bit, those superintendents are getting 200 resumes for 3 or 4 operator jobs. They could have at least mentioned Garth Road or Alexander by name.

Dairy Ashford · Feb 7, 2016

Cohete Rojo said: ↑

I believe Mr. Tilerson said a few years ago that they were losing their shirt over natural gas prices - related to WTX or whatever company it was they acquired.
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XTO maybe, formerly known as Cross Timbers; they're one of the bigger Eagleford producers, though that acquisition by XOM would have been a while ago.

ArtV · Feb 7, 2016

Going back and reading the OP's article and page 1 was entertaining. This has been a runaway train past their expectations since they let this freefall.

mateo · Feb 7, 2016

ArtV said: ↑

Going back and reading the OP's article and page 1 was entertaining. This has been a runaway train past their expectations since they let this freefall.
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Some of the original reactions are fairly embarrassing.

Haymitch · Feb 7, 2016

Haymitch said: ↑

Barrels in the gulf are still higher margin than almost anywhere in the world, so hopefully this won't impact my job.
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Heh. I got laid off from this job. So glad I landed where I did.

Cohete Rojo · Feb 7, 2016

ubigred said: ↑

Yea saw it today. Closer to Hwy 6. Doubt $500k
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They are asking for $500k+ on many of their listings: Royal Oaks Courtyard Villas

Uprising · Feb 7, 2016

Just paid $1.35 /gal

Sajan · Feb 7, 2016

Cohete Rojo said: ↑

They are asking for $500k+ on many of their listings: Royal Oaks Courtyard Villas
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$ 449,250
2 Beds
2.5 Bath
1,545 Bldg Sqft
Townhouse / Condo
$400 MONTHLY fees

WHAT??

Invisible Fan · Feb 7, 2016

Sajan said: ↑

$ 449,250
2 Beds
2.5 Bath
1,545 Bldg Sqft
Townhouse / Condo
$400 MONTHLY fees

WHAT??
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That's So Cal prices...

Cohete Rojo · Feb 7, 2016

Invisible Fan said: ↑

That's So Cal prices...
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No. It's "affordable". Who wouldn't pay that price for a soulless cubic thing?

Sajan · Feb 7, 2016

Invisible Fan said: ↑

That's So Cal prices...
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and it's not in the beltway!
no matter how amazing it is..it's still a townhouse with over 5000 bucks a year in maintenance fees...not even a single family unit.
people who buy those kind of properties are ruining the houston housing market for us regular folks.

sammy · Feb 7, 2016

Cohete Rojo said: ↑

No. It's "affordable". Who wouldn't pay that price for a soulless cubic thing?
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Location. Energy corridor is blowing up.

New buildings made by NOV, Phillips 66, Conoco Phillips, Statoil, Shell, Murphy Oil, Microsoft, Honeywell, CBI, Air Liquide, Memorial Hermann and much more. BP is also nearby.

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