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2015/16 Russell Westbrook Watch!

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by t_mac1, Nov 23, 2015.

  1. DrNuegebauer

    DrNuegebauer Member

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    Good point. He should have deferred to Thabo a lot mkre last season. Or put the bal, in Adams hands?

    It would be hard to support a team with westbrook on it, so frustrating, but the guy is a winner and gets results.
     
  2. malakas

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    Ohh now that you mention it, in the Bucks vs Nets game this year Oscar was invited and he spent about 5 minutes talking (whining) with the way assists are counted nowadays and that if he played now he could have 10 more assists and that the players nowadays dont' often sacrifice their own stats for the shake of the team.

    never mind Oscar, from when usg could be measured then, Westbrook managed to get second high. More than Allen Iverson. More than Jordan. If that's not eye popping then I don't know what is.
    And so far this season? 36%. Which would put him in the top 10 again at no.6. Ahead of Jordan at the Wizards and ahead of A.I. Just slightly more and he can achieve two top 5 usg%!
     
  3. malakas

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    yes he should be playing MORE team ball instead of historical level usg. You are acting like Westbrook was the only guy in the history of the nba (after 1961 to abide by heypartner) that didn't have a second star in his team and only role players.
    But no. There have been plenty of teams with only one star, but only one with such a ballhog. The lakers with kobe.
    And kobe at least had won rings.
     
  4. sew

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    Kobe has never won it all without a 2nd star.
     
  5. roslolian

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    Wb couldnt even reach the playoffs though at least Kobe got there.
     
  6. roslolian

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    Harden's game revolves around 3s and drawing fouls, the 3s would artificially lower his fg% as compared to wb who always shoots inside the 3 pt line, with Harden TS% is a better measure.

    A fg of 47% isnt good enough to account for close to 50% of the team's total shots, why do you think OKC lost more than they won in all 40 pt WB games last year? Usually when your usage rate is that high its because you are hot and hitting all your shots, in WBs case he shoots so much even if he's off or just normal. Just think about it logically, big men usually shoot 50%+ so normally teams want them to take majority of shots, unless you have good 3 pters then it is ok for your perimeter players to take more shots because 3s are worth more than 2s. So while in a vacuum 47% isnt that bad, if WB shoots so much the team's total FG% ends up at that rate your team will likely lose esp. given that OKCs roster is more balanced now, Adams/Kanter/Lamb/Waiters are offensively minded players who aren't being maximized.

    Sorry but your post is actually the dumbest post of the day, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
     
  7. Jayzers_100

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    Westbrook is my least favorite player in the NBA. However, when he's on fire you can't help but watch
     
  8. ksny15

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    Best PG in the game. Yes better than clutchfans love child Curry.
     
  9. t_mac1

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    LOL. Don't know if serious.
     
  10. t_mac1

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    Ibaka was also out a lot last year. So he was without 2 of the top 3 players.

    If Durant was out the entire year this year, OKC will make the playoffs.

    WB is even better this year than last.
     
  11. oakdogg

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    For his game and the OKC offense to work, does he have to jack up 5.5 3PA's a game??? I would like him a lot more if he just recognized that's not a great shot & just took it to the hole or got it to somebody else.
     
  12. t_mac1

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    OKC is 2nd in the league in scoring at 109ppg on 47% shooting as a team. And WB is their leading scorer and passer.

    Offensive isn't their problem; it's their defense.
     
  13. oakdogg

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    That didn't answer my question....Why does he jack up so many threes? Does the offense dictate he do that? Will his drives be closed off if he doesn't prove he's a threat from three? If you're a PG who jacks up a lot of threes at a bad percentage, seems like you might qualify as a ballhog and not that bright.
     
  14. Downtown Sniper

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    I love Westbrook's fire - pretty much the only player I can think of at the top of my head with the same competitive fire as Kobe.

    Now that isn't always a good thing, but I love watching him play.

    You never know what you're going to get. Constant triple doubles.

    Huge throwdowns in traffic.

    17 missed pull up jumpers in a row.

    It's the ultimate lucky dip.
     
  15. roslolian

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    Yeah, because it's only 1 month since the season started. WB's FG% of 47% is miles better than his 42% last year, however considering his career percentage this is likely just a hot streak and his FG will get lower at the end of the year. WB had a similar insane start last year but then you assumed his high FG% initially would be sustained and you called him the next Lebron..except Lebron was efficient all year round so he dragged a lottery team to the Finals whilst WB couldn't even get 8th place.

    My only issue with WB ball hogging is if he isn't converting at a high percentage, just an ok percentage isn't gonna cut it and last year's horrible 42% is really just hot garbage. If he can hit at the clip that Curry is hitting at (57 TS%) then I wouldn't care if he chucks a ton, just like in the Bulls MJ got a lot of shots but that was ok since he was converting almost every single time he had the ball.
     
  16. heypartner

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    Westbrook has a 58 TS%, his best year ever by far. That's good, but not great. Curry is actually shooting an astronomical 68 TS%, and 60% career, which only guys like KD and Harden match. It's pretty unfair to compare anyone to Curry's 68%, since he is #1 in the NBA (for non-bigs) by a large margin.

    58% is good, though. That is MJ level. MJ is a career 57%, only going over 60% 4 times.


     
     
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    He shoots many 3's cuz, he just shoots so much overall? Lol.

    WB actually is a tad under NBA league average in ratio of 3's per all shot attempts. He shoots a 3 in 26% of his shots, league average is 28%. That means almost any wing player in league who shoots as much as WB will have as many 3's/game.

    Doesnt mean that he should chuck them up, but it doesnt look TOO bad in overall context. (Rockets as team lead league in 38% of shots as 3's)
     
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  18. BigggReddd

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    This is why he's my favorite player, so much entertainment value.
     
  19. Caesar

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    Isn't that stat skewed for guys like MJ and the past though? Guys who didn't really shoot too many 3s and end up with low % because late shot clock and half court heaves at the buzzer etc? I'm just curious because i really don't know. I just know MJ had over 50%fg's, mid 80s ft% and he'd have terrible 3pt% while taking 1 or less per game.
     
  20. FTW Rockets FTW

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    Westbrook is a beast.

    Forget his stats. This guy plays 100% all the time. SO much passion, energy, hustle, no taking plays off. SO much fire. It's like he has taken 10 bottles of 5 hour energy.

    I wish harden had some of the above qualities.
     

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