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Planned Parenthood Director caught on tape selling aborted baby parts

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Commodore, Jul 14, 2015.

  1. g1184

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    Send all the eighteen year olds to die in war because Putin.
     
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    Who is saying those things? Or is it just a vaporous charge? Who better to solve the problems of children than their own parents? We need more jobs in this country; that would lead to a lot of solutions People chide the Fifties but we had a growing middle class and stability for lives and families. Not perfect. We'll never have perfect...
     
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    The secret of Switzerland's low abortion rate

    I think we have enough data to know what work and what doesn't work, as far as reduction of abortion. The moral outrage from the Right and proposed legislation not only doesn't work but increase abortion rate. Yet, "my" moral is more important than actual real lives.


     
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    Embryonic tissue transfer can only happen en masse can only happen with legal abortions--that is the genesis of scientific discoveries that have saved millions of infants, restricting access to legal, safe abortions undermines maternal health outcomes and has no effect on infant mortality whatsoever.

    Federal funding of abortions is prohibited and 97% of PP funding goes to maternal health minus abortion.
     
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    Money is fungible, it pays the employees' salaries and it pays to keep the lights on in the building where abortions are performed.


    Planned Parenthood exterminates unborn children and sells their parts for medical research. They don't dispute this.
     
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    Infrastructure spending pays for roads where drive-by shootings happen, and it pays for street corners where black market deals in controlled substances and sex take place. These are actual illegal events.

    Stop all government roadway funding immediately.
     
  7. Northside Storm

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    Planned Parenthood is operating within the law according to several state investigations and within a long and thoughtful discussion on medical ethics between medical practicioners, scienticts, and mothers who give consent--a discussion you have made no attempt to understand.

    Infant mortality in the 1900s in America was 165 in 1000 live births. It is now 7 in 1000.

    Planned Parenthood and the embryonic tissue transfer you are so wantonly attempting to slander have saved more lives than you could ever hope to condemn.

    Couple that with record low abortion rates among certain demographic groups thanks to access to contraceptives and scientific knowledge about sexuality (spearheaded by organizations like PP) and you get less unwanted preganacies/abortions and more wanted pregnancies carried out to full, rich lives. You have never disputed this. You want to talk about science and technology disrupting the world? Here it is in action.
     
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    Republicans say "money is fungible" when it comes to PP. It is not.

     
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    But if Republicans really want to go the "Money is fungible" route. All the money that go to faith-based organizations that is approved for only particular uses would all go away under the same argument. And it wouldn't stop at faith-based. All grants and funding with specific requirements of use would go away.

    But of course, we know that organizations can easily manage and only use government funded money for government approved uses.
     
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    Thats the most pathetic article i've ever seen. Why didn't the just have the same person buy wine with cash and food with the SNAP card? that would be the equivalent. What a dishonest piece of crap article.

    How in the world can someone argue money is fungible?
     
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    My jimmies remain unrustled.
     
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    You missed the point about individual vs the store.
     
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    So "cooking the books" is something only done in gangster movies?

    I want PP to be able to provide women's healthcare; I don't think that abortion counseling should be part of it. Yes, I know it is the law but the law should change.

    We are a strange society that seems to have more heart for pets in animal shelters, baby seals, whales, eagles et al. Isn't it odd that I'm the one saying we should care for the all but especially the human children.

    How can we hope to find life on Mars but not in Susie's womb?
     
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    Agree 100%!!!!! I would rep you but I need to spread some rep before giving you rep again!!!!
     
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    In the areas PP operates, there is a lack of clinics, that is why even men go to PP.
     
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    It's a desperate ploy to try to connect abortions to health services and such. PP doesn't sell body parts to research and transplant agencies. They charge a fee for processing.

    Just like the library charges a processing fee for your library card. It is not selling you a library card. Why is that so hard to understand?
     
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    As I review the clinic locations in the metro area where I reside, I don't find this to be true at all.
     
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    Show an example of "cooking the book" by PP. Republicans have made this dumb argument since at least 2011. You got 4+ years and you can't show a single example because Republicans know well it's a BS argument.

    Abortion is legal. Services PP provides are legal. Shutting down PP isn't changing the law. It's taking away everything PP does. And you will cause suffering with that. What you and Republican are doing is using all kind of tactics, some very unethical, to stop provider of abortion and to punish women that chooses abortion.

    We are a society that try its best to find a balance and effective way to reduce abortion. More mature society have done even better. Republican doesn't want a balance, it want an extreme, not just abortion but things such as no sex education, no condom, etcs. You refuses to side with what work to reduce abortion. You prefer to satisfy your morals at the suffering of others and at increasing abortion rate.
     
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    If you think PP is cooking the books, then they're committing a crime. Case shut and closed. You just got to have a court of law prove it (none have).

    I don't know what part of what law you want to change if you don't think they are committing a crime. Do you want to criminalize abortions and lock up medical service practitioners so mothers will have to resort to backdoor abortions as they did pre-Roe v. Wade? Do you want to ban embryonic tissue transfer (or again, "selling baby parts"), the same medical procedure that has saved millions of infants and which has been crafted from a long discussion between medical practitioners, scientists, and mothers who consent to advancing healthcare for all?

    Suggesting the current system of legalized abortion lacks compassion is misguided. The system that has evolved, has again, lowered abortions to an all-time low, helped decrease infant mortality from 165 per 1000 live births to 7 per 1000 live births and has helped millions of mothers and doctors perform a safe, consensual medical procedure without worrying about jail time or killing themselves with a coat hanger.

    Your point of bringing up animals is astute. For all of our "societal care" for animals, the industrial complex ruthlessly slaughters animals in pain for our food at an inefficient rate that actually helps starve others around the world (meat is so inefficient that though the world has enough agricultural capability to provide 2000 calories per person, the way it is distributed leads to mass starvation for some), and humans are on the verge of causing a "sixth great extinction"--the greatest loss of biodiversity the world has seen in eras!

    Kids might be buying whale plushies but there has never been a greater chance of those animals dying off the face of this Earth. So much for that unguided compassion.

    Raw compassion is useless and can even be harmful without an eye on outcomes, and solutions that lead to those outcomes. It can make you think like you're doing something positive when you really aren't. Legal, safe abortions and embryonic tissue transfer comes out of compassion that takes heed of outcomes.
     
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    The videos were fake and fraudulent. Someone is breaking the law and it isn't Planned Parenthood.

    We don't live in a Theocracy. If you don't like the current law, change it through legal channels and not fraudulent means.

    Yes, Conservatives care about all human life as long as you are not gay, poor, black, an immigrant, in prison or a religion other the Christian or Jew.
     

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