Howard Dean and white Christians

[langal]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/08/MNGVND590S1.DTL&type=printable

Dean may be hurting his own party with these types of statements. Do some Democrats feel the same way as he does? There are plenty of smart Democrats on this board and I wonder how they feel about Dean. Are his tactics a little too blunt for his job?

I also wonder if he gets this sort of publicity and scrutiny simply because he is a high-profile figure and ex-Presidential candidate.

[basso]

http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/002217.html

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Dean: Dem Poll Workers Can't Tell GOP Voters Apart
by Scott Ott

(2005-06-08) -- Many Republicans probably voted for George Bush dozens, if not hundreds, of times in 2004, according to Democrat party Chairman Howard Dean, "by taking advantage of the fact that Democrat poll workers have difficulty distinguishing individuals from among a crowd of white Christians."

"Thanks to their pale skin, round eyes and khaki trousers, Republicans just blend in," said Mr. Dean. "So they vote, get in the back of the line and vote again. And because they've never made an honest living in their lives, they could do that all day long."

The party chief announced that the Democrat National Committee will invest $50 million in developing protocols to help poll workers tell the difference between one Republican and the next.

A spokesman for the DNC later clarified the comments, noting that, "Chairman Dean intended his offensive remarks to be heard only by party loyalists, not the general public."

[wouldabeen23]

Not bad Basso...not bad

[Buck Turgidson]

My favorite is his recent blast about how "most Republicans have never done an honest day's work in their life".

[mc mark]

Originally posted by basso



well....

if the shoe fits...

:D

I guess that's better than the democratic party being called freedom haters and Saddam lovers.

[langal]

Originally posted by mc mark
well....

if the shoe fits...

:D

I guess that's better than the democratic party being called freedom haters and Saddam lovers.

I don't think any Republican official (much less the RNC chair) has made any blanket remarks about Democrats like that. Maybe someone here post a quote if it has been documented.

[AntiSonic]

His comments may fire up the base, but I don't see them convincing anyone that's on the fence to vote Dem next time around.

[mc mark]

Langal to be very clear. I think Dean is speaking out of his ass. And I don't agree with what he said.

But you can't deny the way Ed Gillespie and others have attacked the Democratic party. Or anyone who doesn't lock step to the admin swingtime.

[basso]

Originally posted by mc mark
Langal to be very clear. I think Dean is speaking out of his ass. And I don't agree with what he said.

But you can't deny the way Ed Gillespie and others have attacked the Democratic party. Or anyone who doesn't lock step to the admin swingtime.

we call it schwingtime...

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally posted by basso
we call it schwingtime...

Basso, it's good to see that even you admit the leaders of the Republican party are a bunch of dicks!

:eek:
;)
:D

[basso]

Originally posted by RocketMan Tex
Basso, it's good to see that even you admit the leaders of the Republican party are a bunch of dicks!

:eek:
;)
:D

that's big dicks to you...

http://towleroad.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/cheneybulge.jpg

[MadMax]

This guy is truly nuts. I can not imagine how or why Democratic leadership thinks this guy is the one who will help them take back Capitol Hill or the White House. I don't get it.

[Hippieloser]

Originally posted by MadMax
I can not imagine how or why Democratic leadership thinks this guy is the one who will help them take back Capitol Hill or the White House. I don't get it.

I'm pretty sure their feeling is, "Hey, at least he has balls. And this way he probably won't run for president again."

[Saint Louis]

Originally posted by Hippieloser
I'm pretty sure their feeling is, "Hey, at least he has balls. And this way he probably won't run for president again."

Dean, Bush, Kerry, Clinton, Liebermann, Biden, Clark, I could go on. Where does the political parties find these yo-yos. Is this the best leadership our country has to offer? It's like the mafia, dumbed down several times.

[langal]

Originally posted by Saint Louis
Dean, Bush, Kerry, Clinton, Liebermann, Biden, Clark, I could go on. Where does the political parties find these yo-yos. Is this the best leadership our country has to offer? It's like the mafia, dumbed down several times.

Maybe Rudy T should run for some Texas seat in 2006 - whitehouse in 2008.

[basso]

We most assuredly are not jiving you: (http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110006793) Howard Dean--scion of Park Avenue, former governor of Vermont, a state that is 96.8% people of pallor--is faulting Republicans for being white, even though he himself is whiter than an albino polar bear with dandruff.

[andymoon]

Originally posted by basso
We most assuredly are not jiving you: (http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110006793) Howard Dean--scion of Park Avenue, former governor of Vermont, a state that is 96.8% people of pallor--is faulting Republicans for being white, even though he himself is whiter than an albino polar bear with dandruff.

And what about Bush? If he was any more caucasian, he would be translucent.

(not my joke, that was Will Durst talking about Sr., but funny nonetheless)

[basso]

Originally posted by andymoon
And what about Bush? If he was any more caucasian, he would be translucent.

(not my joke, that was Will Durst talking about Sr., but funny nonetheless)

uhmmm, the difference is, dean actually suggested republicans are too white. as far as i know, W has never said any such thing regarding dems, which makes durst's comment just stupid, ie, not funny.

[FranchiseBlade]

Originally posted by basso
uhmmm, the difference is, dean actually suggested republicans are too white. as far as i know, W has never said any such thing regarding dems, which makes durst's comment just stupid, ie, not funny. I'm not a Dem, but Dean's comments aren't any different than what any number of GOP officials have said, including calling one democrat a C:eek::eek: t, and saying Democrats are dumb, etc.

The Democrats have been so spineless lately and the supporters have suffered under a group of politicians that were afraid to take a stand on anything. Dean is trying to energize those folks, and he's coming out swinging. I have no idea whether it is effective or not, but it doesn't concern me, nor do I think it is a brilliant move on his part. It is just politics as usual. I guess I wish Dean wouldn't do that, becuase it is devisive, but the GOP does the same thing, and I wish they wouldn't either.

[langal]

Originally posted by FranchiseBlade
I'm not a Dem, but Dean's comments aren't any different than what any number of GOP officials have said, including calling one democrat a C:eek::eek: t, and saying Democrats are dumb, etc.

The Democrats have been so spineless lately and the supporters have suffered under a group of politicians that were afraid to take a stand on anything. Dean is trying to energize those folks, and he's coming out swinging. I have no idea whether it is effective or not, but it doesn't concern me, nor do I think it is a brilliant move on his part. It is just politics as usual. I guess I wish Dean wouldn't do that, becuase it is devisive, but the GOP does the same thing, and I wish they wouldn't either.

I get where you're coming from, but I don't think any Republican is on record as having said something like "all Democrats look the same and thing the same, etc. etc. None of them work, etc."

If something like that has happened , I would think it would have generated a lot of buzz.

Of course, I am sure that plenty of high-ranking Republicans do think those things about Democrats - they probably just haven't incorporated it into a speech.

Dean's tirade caught my eye because I'm a Chinese Republican and I'm certainly no Xtian. He just also seems to be more of a detriment to the Democrats than an asset.

Perhaps he should be given another position where his views and comments would not be construed as representative as the whole party. As the party chairman, his comments naturally represent the whole Party to some extent. Maybe Dean could host a radio show. I'm sure it would be popular, energize Air America , and it would give him a wide audience and he could say whatever he wanted.

[giddyup]

Didn't Dean make these remarks on Meet the Press or some such place?

[FranchiseBlade]

Originally posted by langal
I get where you're coming from, but I don't think any Republican is on record as having said something like "all Democrats look the same and thing the same, etc. etc. None of them work, etc."

If something like that has happened , I would think it would have generated a lot of buzz.
Actually Karl Rove did label all democrats as dumb, and they didn't whine about it, and there wasn't really much of a buzz.

You know, Karl Rove (search) calls Democrats dumb. He says dumb as they are, they can catch on quick. The head of the New York Republican Party calls Hillary Clinton a liar, calls Dean — compares him to a woman convicted of consorting with terrorists. And I don't hear the same kind of outrage on the right that I hear about every time Howard Dean opens his mouth. Where's the outrage there?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158819,00.html

Both sides do this, and it is sad. But only one side moans, groans and whines about it, and causes a big media stink.

All in all I don't think this issue is a very important one, but it does happen on both sides.

[Nolen]

The entire thing is tasteless and lame. No, worse.

The race thing is just kind of lame. I imagine his point was that it's easier to discriminate against minorities, but still. Just lame.

But the "no republican has done an honest days' work in his life" that's just over the top offensive. Really. Even if it is eye-for-an-eye with all those ***holes who accuse all liberals of hating America and loving terrorists, he shouldn't sink to their level.

On the other hand, why play fair? Why take the high road? Maybe repubs should get a taste of what it feels like.

Still, I don't like it.

[basso]

Originally posted by FranchiseBlade
Actually Karl Rove did label all democrats as dumb, and they didn't whine about it, and there wasn't really much of a buzz.



Both sides do this, and it is sad. But only one side moans, groans and whines about it, and causes a big media stink.

All in all I don't think this issue is a very important one, but it does happen on both sides.

do you have a link to the rove statement? now, charles rangle has gotten in on the act:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/6/8/124621.shtml

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Top House Democrat Charles Rangel complained on Monday that the Bush administration's decision to concoct a "fraudulent" war in Iraq was as bad as "the Holocaust."

"It's the biggest fraud ever committed on the people of this country," Rangel told WWRL Radio's Steve Malzberg and Karen Hunter. "This is just as bad as six million Jews being killed. The whole world knew it and they were quiet about it, because it wasn't their ox that was being gored."

[basso]

Originally posted by basso
do you have a link to the rove statement? now, charles rangle has gotten in on the act:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/6/8/124621.shtml

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Top House Democrat Charles Rangel complained on Monday that the Bush administration's decision to concoct a "fraudulent" war in Iraq was as bad as "the Holocaust."

"It's the biggest fraud ever committed on the people of this country," Rangel told WWRL Radio's Steve Malzberg and Karen Hunter. "This is just as bad as six million Jews being killed. The whole world knew it and they were quiet about it, because it wasn't their ox that was being gored."

bush's ability to drive his opponents stark, raving mad is almost otherworldly...

[Invisible Fan]

Originally posted by Nolen
The entire thing is tasteless and lame. No, worse.

The race thing is just kind of lame. I imagine his point was that it's easier to discriminate against minorities, but still. Just lame.

But the "no republican has done an honest days' work in his life" that's just over the top offensive. Really. Even if it is eye-for-an-eye with all those ***holes who accuse all liberals of hating America and loving terrorists, he shouldn't sink to their level.

On the other hand, why play fair? Why take the high road? Maybe repubs should get a taste of what it feels like.

Still, I don't like it.

Republican leaders are probably relishing the taste. Their main focus to to expose any moments of liberal hypocrisy while minimizing their Orwellian euphemisms.

This does make Dean the prime stalking horse for a moderately imaged Hillary.

The idea is enough to make me sick.

[mc mark]

This does need to be said.

Although I think what Dean said was a bit tasteless, he wasn't wrong.

According to CNN 82% of registered republicans are white christian.

[Nolen]

Originally posted by Charles Rangel
"This is just as bad as six million Jews being killed. The whole world knew it and they were quiet about it, because it wasn't their ox that was being gored."

AAAAAAARRRRGH! NO! Not like this! Dammit!

Overstating criticism only allows Bush an easy escape! It allows him to brush off ALL the criticism! This is exactly what happened with that stupid gulag comment by Amnesty. Now Bush can just deflect ANY criticism on the subject with a chuckle and a shake of the head.

[rhadamanthus]

Conservative Christian, right wing Republican, straight, white, American male.
Gay bashin’, black fearin’, poor fightin’, tree killin’, regional leaders of the sales
Frat housin’, keg tappin’, shirt tuckin’, back slappin’ haters of hippies like me.
Tree huggin’, peace lovin’, pot smokin’, porn watchin’ lazyass hippies like me.
Tree huggin’, love makin’, pro choicen, gay weddin’, widespread diggin’ hippies like me.
Skin color-blinded, conspiracy-minded, protestors of corporate greed,
We who have nothing and most likely will ‘till we all wind up locked up in jails
By conservative Christian, right wing Republican, straight, white, American males,.

Diamonds and dogs, boys and girls, living together in two separate worlds
Following leaders of mountains of shame, looking for someone to blame.

Diamonds and dogs, boys and girls, living together in two separate worlds
Following leaders of mountains of shame, looking for someone to blame.
I know who I like to blame:

Conservative Christian, right wing Republican, straight, white, American males,
Soul savin’, flag wavin’, Rush lovin’, land pavin’ personal friends to the Quayles
Quite diligently workin’ so hard to keep the free reins of this Democracy
From tree huggin’, peace lovin’, pot smokin’, barefootin’ folk-singin’ hippies like me.
Tree huggin’, peace lovin’, pot smokin’, porn watchin’ lazyass hippies like me.

[Deji]

Umm...aren't the majority of Americans white and christian? Aren't most Democrats?

In other news, Ariel Sharon is accused of pandering to the Jewish vote in Israel.

[basso]

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[mc mark]

basso

He's a doctor. He can get much better drugs than that!

;)