So much for Kerry being the "smart" candidate...

[111chase111]

This is an interesting article. It shows that Kerry's grades at Yale were worse than Bush's. According to the Boston Globe Bush got one D while at Yale while Kerry got 5 D's.

Yale Grades Portray Kerry as Lackluster Student (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student?mode=PF)

Actually the reason I bring this up is not so much to "bash" Kerry but to poke fun at all the Kerry supporters who just assumed Kerry was a good student and were trying to use Bush's grades at Yale as "proof" that Bush was less competent.

Clearly, if you are going to use grades as your standard both men are equal intellectual giants. :p

[pirc1]

No wonder he lost to Bush, he is an idiot too.:D

[ima_drummer2k]

"D" stands for DONE!

Well, at least that was my philosophy in college...

:D

[wouldabeen23]

Originally posted by ima_drummer2k
"D" stands for DONE!

Well, at least that was my philosophy in college...

:D

"D" stands for "Don't have to take again"....my feelings around keyboard and Music Theory V

[plcmts17]

Originally posted by 111chase111
Actually the reason I bring this up is not so much to "bash" Kerry but to poke fun at all the Kerry supporters who just assumed Kerry was a good student and were trying to use Bush's grades at Yale as "proof" that Bush was less competent.


What's even more interesting is what happened immediately after they graduated. One went to Vietnam and the other went to... well he went somewhere. I'm not bringing this up to bash shrub but to poke fun at all the shrub supporters and armchair republicans who let democrats,minorities and people at the lower levels of the income scale fight their wars for them and then have the gall to say that Kerry would have been soft on terrorism. :rolleyes: :rolleyes

[111chase111]

Originally posted by plcmts17
What's even more interesting is what happened immediately after they graduated. One went to Vietnam and the other went to... well he went somewhere. I'm not bringing this up to bash shrub but to poke fun at all the shrub supporters and armchair republicans who let democrats,minorities and people at the lower levels of the income scale fight their wars for them and then have the gall to say that Kerry would have been soft on terrorism. :rolleyes: :rolleyes

Kerry tried to get out of going to Vietnam. He just wasn't smart enough to get out from going... ;)

[pirc1]

Originally posted by 111chase111
Kerry tried to get out of going to Vietnam. He just wasn't smart enough to get out from going... ;)

Or his dad wasn't powerful enough to land him a position with the national guards.;)

[plcmts17]

According to the Boston Globe Bush got one D while at Yale.
And he got another D(eferment) while out of Yale.

[ima_drummer2k]

Originally posted by wouldabeen23
and Music Theory V
I feel you on that. My nemesis was Music History IV and those damn blue book essay tests. Not to mention the weekly 'drop the needle' tests.

[Sishir Chang]

Originally posted by 111chase111
Kerry tried to get out of going to Vietnam. He just wasn't smart enough to get out from going... ;)

Kind of interesting way to get out of Vietnam by volunteering to go.

But really does any of this matter now?

[basso]

Originally posted by plcmts17
According to the Boston Globe Bush got one D while at Yale.
And he got another D(eferment) while out of Yale.

further proof that bush is smarter.

[Sishir Chang]

So Bush is smarter but more of a hypocrite. No one said hypocrites weren't smart.

[andymoon]

Anyone who saw the debates was clearly shown that Kerry is by far the more intelligent man.

[basso]

Originally posted by andymoon
Anyone who saw the debates was clearly shown that Kerry is by far the more intelligent man.

articulate, perhaps, intelligent? not so much...

[mc mark]

Originally posted by basso
articulate, perhaps, intelligent? not so much... \

uh basso you kind of have to be intelligent to be articulate.

;)

[basso]

apparently, french was one of his best grades (http://thechiefbrief.blogspot.com/2005/06/john-kerry-intellectual.html), and even that was just a 77...

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Third_Party_Photo/2005/06/07/1118128925_2198.jpg

[basso]

Originally posted by mc mark
\

uh basso you kind of have to be intelligent to be articulate.

;)

but being more articulate doesn't mean you're smarter.

[andymoon]

Originally posted by basso
articulate, perhaps, intelligent? not so much...

Go back and watch again without your GOP colored glasses.

Kerry is MUCH more intelligent than Bush.

[deepblue]

Originally posted by andymoon
Anyone who saw the debates was clearly shown that Kerry is by far the more intelligent man.

Actually, anyone who saw the debates knows neither one was that smart, there were so many holes on either side. Too bad neither one could exploite the other.

Clinton would have killed both of them in a debate that's for sure.

[mc mark]

Originally posted by basso
but being more articulate doesn't mean you're smarter.

You say potato I say potato. Or is that patato?

[wouldabeen23]

Originally posted by mc mark
You say potato I say potato. Or is that patato?

Nein...in the south it's Puhtaytuh

[waran007]

Well, at least they both got their Yale degrees, D's and all. The same can't be said for Dick Cheney, who dropped out of Yale, not once, but twice.
http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=12444.

[andymoon]

Originally posted by deepblue

Clinton would have killed both of them in a debate that's for sure.

The single most accurate statement in this thread.

[111chase111]

Originally posted by Sishir Chang
Kind of interesting way to get out of Vietnam by volunteering to go.

But really does any of this matter now?

Kerry tried to get deferments but was unable to secure one so, since it was inevitable that he was to go, he volunteered in order to choose what branch he got to serve in.

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by 111chase111
Kerry tried to get deferments but was unable to secure one so, since it was inevitable that he was to go, he volunteered in order to choose what branch he got to serve in.

Petty nice ejaculation you have going in this thread.

[flamingmoe]

I wonder what some of the right are saying about Kerry releasing his full military records today and there being NOTHING in there unknown or shocking

he should of just relased it all before to shut his critics up



http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/kerry_allows_navy_release_of_military_medical_records/

The records...are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president.

....The lack of any substantive new material about Kerry's military career in the documents raises the question of why Kerry refused for so long to waive privacy restrictions. An earlier release of the full record might have helped his campaign because it contains a number of reports lauding his service.

....But Kerry refused, even though it turned out that the records included commendations from some of the same veterans who were criticizing him.

[basso]

Originally posted by basso
apparently, french was one of his best grades (http://thechiefbrief.blogspot.com/2005/06/john-kerry-intellectual.html), and even that was just a 77...

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Third_Party_Photo/2005/06/07/1118128925_2198.jpg

separated at birth?

http://llamabutchers.mu.nu/lurch.gif

http://llamabutchers.mu.nu/jaws.jpg

[basso]

Originally posted by flamingmoe
I wonder what some of the right are saying about Kerry releasing his full military records today and there being NOTHING in there unknown or shocking

he should of just relased it all before to shut his critics up

they're saying kerry is either the stupidest politician alive, or something's still missing. and it's worth noting that the author of the globe story has an extremely close relationship to kerry. until those records are made available to the general public, the verdict will have to remain: incomplete.

[mc mark]

Originally posted by basso
until those records are made available to the general public, the verdict will have to remain: incomplete.

sort of like Jr's

[SWTsig]

Originally posted by basso
further proof that bush is smarter.

no one really believes that bush is a smarter guy than kerry, do they? i mean... i'm not a fan of kerry at all, but bush couldn't even name some of the capitals of countries he would be doing business with.

dont make me post a list of bush-isms.

[eric.81]

I think we should all realize that they are both idiots and are phony. All politicians are out for thier own good and are doing nothing to help our most pressing need: education. We need more money spent on education, but more importantly we need someone to spend it the right way.

Everyone b*tches about our political process and that there is no way to escape from the 2 party system. The only way we can break the cycle of having to vote for the lesser of 2 evils is for the entire country to become more educated and enlightened. Education breeds tolerance and understanding and a more intelligent society wouldn't vote for self-serving politicians.

That said, Bush sucks.

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by basso
until those records are made available to the general public, the verdict will have to remain: incomplete.

and the only person who still cares will be: nobody

[FranchiseBlade]

Originally posted by flamingmoe
I wonder what some of the right are saying about Kerry releasing his full military records today and there being NOTHING in there unknown or shocking

he should of just relased it all before to shut his critics up oh but there is something shocking in those records. The shocking thing is all the praise and commendations heaped on him at the time of his duty by some of the folks who later were in Swift Boats for Veterans.

That's pretty funny.

[langal]

Where did they drag up those photos?

My guess is that GW probably had more success with the ladies back in the day.

Maybe one day they'll drag up some woman who's dated both of them.

[mc mark]

Originally posted by langal

Maybe one day they'll drag up some woman who's dated both of them.

I don't think Kerry hung out with the coke crowd. He was more of a pot man.

[giddyup]

Originally posted by ima_drummer2k
"D" stands for DONE!:D
I thought it was DRIVEL. I got one "D" in college: Modern Poetry.

[Trader_Jorge]

1. Kerry's grades don't surprise me.
2. The liberals' endless pot-shots about Bush's "Gentleman's C's" at Yale sure do look stupid now.
3. In typical form, andymoon ignores the FACTS once again and declares Kerry smarter, despite concrete evidence to the contrary.
4. Oops! (see below)

http://bbs2.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77344&highlight=Bush+Gentlemans

5-7-2004 In a thread where Batman quotes an article that pokes fun at Bush's Gentleman's C's at Yale.
Originally posted by Batman Jones
You are certainly right that there are a great many Americans who prefer stupid people to smart ones.

Having had four years to live with the consequences of winding up with the dumber guy, we'll see how it shakes out this time. I'm guessing it'll be a close race between the guy people like cause he's dumb and the one they dislike cause he's smart.

OWNED

[basso]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
1. Kerry's grades don't surprise me.
2. The liberals' endless pot-shots about Bush's "Gentleman's C's" at Yale sure do look stupid now.
3. In typical form, andymoon ignores the FACTS once again and declares Kerry smarter, despite concrete evidence to the contrary.
4. Oops! (see below)

http://bbs2.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77344&highlight=Bush+Gentlemans

5-7-2004 In a thread where Batman quotes an article that pokes fun at Bush's Gentleman's C's at Yale.


OWNED

the search function can be such a bitch...

[wnes]

I don't know if grades necessarily equate intelligence. We don't know if Bush was wired (http://www.visualfuturist.com/bushiswired/) when he took those tests in Yale. Look if he could somehow get himself into Texas Air National Guard to avoid combatting in Vietnam - a tall order for an average Joe at that time, why should we believe he passed all these courses in Yale all on his own?

[Sishir Chang]

Originally posted by 111chase111
Kerry tried to get deferments but was unable to secure one so, since it was inevitable that he was to go, he volunteered in order to choose what branch he got to serve in.

Yet when he got there he volunteered for a very dangerous assignment instead of staying with a cushy one.

[SWTsig]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
1. Kerry's grades don't surprise me.
2. The liberals' endless pot-shots about Bush's "Gentleman's C's" at Yale sure do look stupid now.
3. In typical form, andymoon ignores the FACTS once again and declares Kerry smarter, despite concrete evidence to the contrary.
4. Oops! (see below)

http://bbs2.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77344&highlight=Bush+Gentlemans

5-7-2004 In a thread where Batman quotes an article that pokes fun at Bush's Gentleman's C's at Yale.


OWNED

since when are grades an implication of intelligence??? if that was the case, i'd be cruising with a 3.8 right now.

that being said, i think both guys are dumb, but no way is kerry dumber than Bush. Bush is borderline retarded.

[halfbreed]

Originally posted by SWTsig
since when are grades an implication of intelligence??? if that was the case, i'd be cruising with a 3.8 right now.

that being said, i think both guys are dumb, but no way is kerry dumber than Bush. Bush is borderline retarded.

:rolleyes:

Borderline retarded. Right.

I'm not saying the man is a genius but don't confuse a lack of eloquence with a lack of intelligence. There are plenty of people who are extremely intelligent but sound otherwise when put in a speaking situation.

[Invisible Fan]

His policies are borderline retarded.

I'd rather assume he's an idiot than a genius manipulator of public trust.

[wnes]

Originally posted by Invisible Fan
His policies are borderline retarded.

I'd rather assume he's an idiot than a genius manipulator of public trust.

How on earth Texans elected him (twice?) to governor in the first place?

[Sir Jackie Chiles]

Grades don't really mean much, and as these examples show, their significance for your future success in life is being overestimated.

[plcmts17]

When you have Influence and Money to begin with,does it really matter what kind of grades you get?

[bnb]

Kerry gets poor grades in school....and the thread becomes a bush-bashfest??? Crazy.

[AntiSonic]

Originally posted by SWTsig
since when are grades an implication of intelligence??? if that was the case, i'd be cruising with a 3.8 right now.

But this would never have been an issue if the left wasn't constantly blasting Bush for a lack of intelligence.

Personally, I wouldn't consider either man stupid. There's a reason they rose up through their parties' ranks and were vying for the single most powerful position on Earth.

Kerry certainly looks to be more well-read than Bush, but that doesn't necessarily translate into him being better for the job. He just didn't seem to get it, and the voters thought so too.

(countdown until "the voters were the ones who didn't get it!": 10... 9...)

[wnes]

Originally posted by bnb
Kerry gets poor grades in school....and the thread becomes a bush-bashfest??? Crazy.

I wasn't too excited about Kerry - sorta had to pick the "lesser of the two evils", given the choices forced upon us. But honestly what kind of reactions do you expect when chase put out a thread bashing Kerry seven months after the election? Who was Kerry's rival, Ralph Nader?

[bnb]

Originally posted by wnes
But honestly what kind of reactions do you expect when chase put out a thread bashing Kerry seven months after the election?

I thought it was an interesting thread. Because, given the c-student-at-Yale label that Bush wore so well...I'd assumed Kerry had done much better.

Interesting.....no more.

What did I expect???? Well, pretty much what we saw. Everyone taking sides and drumming up the usual sound-bites.

You'd have thought the Bush bashers would have found it a little surprising that Kerry did so poorly in his first three years. Not enough to embrace Georgie...but interesting none the less.

[plcmts17]

Originally posted by AntiSonic

Kerry certainly looks to be more well-read than Bush, but that doesn't necessarily translate into him being better for the job. He just didn't seem to get it, and the voters thought so too.

Oh, the Irony. I bet you were not trying to be ironic either. :rolleyes:

[111chase111]

Originally posted by wnes
But honestly what kind of reactions do you expect when chase put out a thread bashing Kerry seven months after the election? Who was Kerry's rival, Ralph Nader?

Actually wnes, if you read my original post it wasn't to bash Kerry. It was to bash people who tried to use Bush's grades as an arguement against him. I think it's ironic (and funny) now that Kerry's grades have come out as being worse than Bush's.

[wnes]

Originally posted by 111chase111
Actually wnes, if you read my original post it wasn't to bash Kerry. It was to bash people who tried to use Bush's grades as an arguement against him. I think it's ironic (and funny) now that Kerry's grades have come out as being worse than Bush's.

Yes your carefully chosen wording (in your original post) was duly noticed. But even if I wasn't enthusiastic about Kerry, I couldn't help flinging something back at Bush supporters when their love affair with the man become annoying. Isn't this D&D all about? ;)

[pirc1]

The fun part about Bush's grade isn't that he is a C student, it is he got into Harvard MBA with that grade! How many C student does Harvard MBA take a year?

[FranchiseBlade]

The funny part about this and the only thing even bordering on a real issue(someone's grades in college aren't a real issue no matter who made them) is the release of Kerry's military records and the egg on the face on the swift vets group that was dishonest.

It is hilarious that so many of the members of that group are now officially on record as having praised, and comendated Kerry for his service at the time.

I think most thinking people realized their lack of legitimacy early on, but there were plenty of people who either weren't thinking, or wanted to ignore the evidence exposing their claims as other than factual. I'm glad this added one more piece of evidence to debunk their trash campaign motivated by personal dislike and not anything factual.

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by FranchiseBlade
The funny part about this and the only thing even bordering on a real issue(someone's grades in college aren't a real issue no matter who made them) is the release of Kerry's military records and the egg on the face on the swift vets group that was dishonest.

It is hilarious that so many of the members of that group are now officially on record as having praised, and comendated Kerry for his service at the time.

I think most thinking people realized their lack of legitimacy early on, but there were plenty of people who either weren't thinking, or wanted to ignore the evidence exposing their claims as other than factual. I'm glad this added one more piece of evidence to debunk their trash campaign motivated by personal dislike and not anything factual.

Why is this hilarious? :confused: Many of these same people at the time were on record of having done so back then already too. But it didn't matter then, people did what they had to do , regardless of anything else, you had junior G-men around the country poring over maps of the Mekong in pursuit of liberty, -- it' s not like it mattered what anybody said, these same people would have done so regardless to stop various scourges, real and imagined.