View Full Version : SI NBA Players Poll- not much love for the Rox..
Gatorfan76
05-12-2005, 01:51 PM
Hey guys,
Just checking out my new Sports Illustrated issue (Randy Moss cover)
According to SI this was based on a survey of 227 NBA players (not specified if it was current or ex-players)
Who is the most overrated player ?
1. Vince Carter 24 %
2. Carmelo Anthony 11%
3. Yao Ming 10%
4. Tracy Mcgrady 6%
A few months ago it was asked
Who is the worst coach in the NBA ?
1. Byron Scott
2. Jeff Van Gundy
Can't remember the percentages on this one--all I remember was that JVG was 2nd to Byron Scott...
You never really see Yao, T-Mac, or JVG really get into anything negative with other players--I wonder where this hate is coming from...
forsythtroy
05-12-2005, 01:55 PM
Forget SI. I haven't picked one up in 10 yrs. They screwed the Rox when we won (not giving us a cover without a fight) and ESPN the mag is much better.
Gatorfan76
05-12-2005, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by forsythtroy
Forget SI. I haven't picked one up in 10 yrs. They screwed the Rox when we won (not giving us a cover without a fight) and ESPN the mag is much better.
Totally agree with you there -but I'm just confused why NBA players would feel this way about 3 pivotal people in the ROX organization...
Jealousy maybe ??
YallMean
05-12-2005, 02:05 PM
who cares.
bumbum09
05-12-2005, 02:13 PM
http://img10.exs.cx/img10/180/haters.jpg
swilkins
05-12-2005, 02:24 PM
SI blows.
I think it is too early to overrate Yao.
I can't see how McGrady is over rated. He is a rare talent and has proven it all year. If it is because he doesn't have a ring, blame his prior suck ass organizations.
Tracy and Yao will get plenty of rings and very soon.
:)
macfan
05-12-2005, 02:38 PM
Here's a link to underrated/overrated NBA player. The guy is a former coach
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3115388
Texas Stoke
05-12-2005, 02:40 PM
On the whose the most overrated poll, are they only giving them those four players to choose from?
and same with the coaches poll, are they asking players to pick out of just those two coaches?
robbie380
05-12-2005, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by macfan
Here's a link to underrated/overrated NBA player. The guy is a former coach
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3115388
wtf what drugs did i not take before reading this under the most underrated player section.....
2. Maurice Taylor, Rockets
This guy is a scorer deluxe. He's best on the left block where he'll turn his left shoulder for a deadly jump hook, and turn right for either a bull's-eye jumper or a power-house drop step. He's also an excellent perimeter shooter off screen-roll action, and his jumper is virtually indefensible because of his long-armed release. Taylor can also square up and go right or left, spin either way, and cross over left to right.
If his defense was slightly quicker, and he didn't play with a squad full of superstars, Maurice Taylor would be a definite All-Star and a legitimate contender for the NBA scoring title.
yeah MoT is a scorer but wtf? legit contender for the scoring title???
vwiggin
05-12-2005, 02:47 PM
Whoa, that Fox article lists KG as overrated and Maurice Taylor as underrated.
macfan
05-12-2005, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by robbie380
wtf what drugs did i not take before reading this under the most underrated player section.....
2. Maurice Taylor, Rockets
This guy is a scorer deluxe. He's best on the left block where he'll turn his left shoulder for a deadly jump hook, and turn right for either a bull's-eye jumper or a power-house drop step. He's also an excellent perimeter shooter off screen-roll action, and his jumper is virtually indefensible because of his long-armed release. Taylor can also square up and go right or left, spin either way, and cross over left to right.
If his defense was slightly quicker, and he didn't play with a squad full of superstars, Maurice Taylor would be a definite All-Star and a legitimate contender for the NBA scoring title.
yeah MoT is a scorer but wtf? legit contender for the scoring title???
Well, he's exaggerating about his offense. However, the Rockets didn't dump him because of his offense. They dumped him because he didn't play a lick of defense, he didn't rebound, he wasn't physical and he had an albatross for a contract.
Gatorfan76
05-12-2005, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Texas Stoke
On the whose the most overrated poll, are they only giving them those four players to choose from?
and same with the coaches poll, are they asking players to pick out of just those two coaches?
No it was a survey of 227 NBA players giving their own answers then they ranked those who got mentioned the most....
langal
05-12-2005, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by robbie380
wtf what drugs did i not take before reading this under the most underrated player section.....
2. Maurice Taylor, Rockets
This guy is a scorer deluxe. He's best on the left block where he'll turn his left shoulder for a deadly jump hook, and turn right for either a bull's-eye jumper or a power-house drop step. He's also an excellent perimeter shooter off screen-roll action, and his jumper is virtually indefensible because of his long-armed release. Taylor can also square up and go right or left, spin either way, and cross over left to right.
If his defense was slightly quicker, and he didn't play with a squad full of superstars, Maurice Taylor would be a definite All-Star and a legitimate contender for the NBA scoring title.
yeah MoT is a scorer but wtf? legit contender for the scoring title???
"squad full of superstars" wtf?
This must've been written by Isiah's scouting director.
zhao1109
05-12-2005, 03:09 PM
have a link? YAO 10% means 23 players choose him, TMAC 6%-- 14 players. well, if look at all-star ballots, maybe both of them overrated:D
Uh, SI is by far the best sports journalism out there, print or TV or radio. Getting mad at SI for a poll that they conducted is ridiculous. It's like getting mad at Nielsen's because you don't like the way the ratings turned out.
forsythtroy
05-12-2005, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by tmac
Uh, SI is by far the best sports journalism out there, print or TV or radio.
I'd have to respectfully disagree with you there. Any publication that has to lean on a swimsuit issue to keep its face on the map is compensating for something...
adeelsiddiqui
05-12-2005, 03:23 PM
id rather read slam magazine than sports illustrated.
Originally posted by tmac
Uh, SI is by far the best sports journalism out there, print or TV or radio. Getting mad at SI for a poll that they conducted is ridiculous. It's like getting mad at Nielsen's because you don't like the way the ratings turned out.
Can you substantiate your claim? SI seems no better that ESPN. They cover flavor-of-the-day stories and follow the hype.
pgabriel
05-12-2005, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by tmac
Uh, SI is by far the best sports journalism out there, print or TV or radio. Getting mad at SI for a poll that they conducted is ridiculous. It's like getting mad at Nielsen's because you don't like the way the ratings turned out.
Exactly, they are by far the best sports journal. I was mad at S.I. for the Rockets Cover fiasco but people have to realize they are just trying to sell issues. Like it or not, the Rockets were not the most popular champions and that series was one of the least watched. But just like this article, who gives a crap?
And S.I. doesn't cover flavor-of-the-day stories. That is what separates them from everyone else.
Toast
05-12-2005, 04:02 PM
I'd expect people to say Yao is over-rated, but T-Mac? Are you kidding me???
Pass 1st, shoot 2nd
05-12-2005, 04:14 PM
How old is this piece? The section about most UNDERRATED player included Maurice Taylor, who was listed as a Houston Rocket.
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bigbodymoe
05-12-2005, 04:31 PM
Envious bitches!
That is all I got to say, they are pissed at Yao because of his backing in China and his marketability, they are pissed at T-Mac because he is the best player in the league today not to win a championship, and the fact that he has the #2 selling jerseu (only behind Shaq) and one of the top selling kicks pisses off the haters.
It is cool, when you are hated on by people, you know that you are doing something right!:cool:
Pizza_Da_Hut
05-12-2005, 05:34 PM
Van Gundy had only this to comment:
http://img182.echo.cx/img182/8817/vangundycopy1yh.jpg
bfunw
05-12-2005, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Pizza_Da_Hut
Van Gundy had only this to comment:
http://img182.echo.cx/img182/8817/vangundycopy1yh.jpg
Photoshop?
When did this happen?
okay screw Sports Illustrated
btw that's totally photoshopped
JunkyardDwg
05-12-2005, 07:01 PM
After this year's playoffs...or rather after the 1st round... Dirk should replace T-Mac in that poll. I would believe it if it was last year, but with everything T-Mac has done this season no way he should be considered overrated.
Do those guys know that every time Tmac played Lebron, Carmelo, whoever..he shut them down?
Darius Miles was the only one who gave Tmac serious problems...and Kobe totally domianted first game against Rockets..but that's cuz we were just really becoming a team imo.
Originally posted by Man
Do those guys know that every time Tmac played Lebron, Carmelo, whoever..he shut them down?
Darius Miles was the only one who gave Tmac serious problems...and Kobe totally domianted first game against Rockets..but that's cuz we were just really becoming a team imo.
I'm guessing that NBA players don't really pay that much attention to the NBA for the most part. They probably are just reflecting what they see on ESPN, lots of stereotypes and old info.
KaiSeR SoZe
05-12-2005, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by bfunw
Photoshop?
When did this happen?
obvious chop
look at the hands
rocketfan83
05-13-2005, 12:05 AM
I could imagine those statistics if this was pre-season.
But after the season?
Thats crazy...
I can still see Yao being called overrated he just has alot of haters around the league.
But T-Mac?
I dont get that. I think he'd be in most peoples top 5 players in the league
NewYorker
05-13-2005, 12:21 AM
Ummm,
until JVG, T-Mac, or Yao win a championship, you have no real counter argument....
That's life.
Xerobull
05-13-2005, 09:06 AM
Crap!
rrj_gamz
05-13-2005, 09:10 AM
The only thing good about SI is the swimsuit issue and specials...
However, it did say NBA people voted, but still...
piggy
05-13-2005, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by forsythtroy
Forget SI. I haven't picked one up in 10 yrs. They screwed the Rox when we won (not giving us a cover without a fight) and ESPN the mag is much better.
Truth.
They've given covers to unpopular champions before, so the 94-95 Rockets snub was taken as an intentional affront.
caphorns
05-13-2005, 09:55 AM
1. NBA players are not the best evaluators. Just look at morons like Steven A Smith. They also don't always agree.
2. You can bet there were a few Orlando players that ranked T-Mac on that list (Franchise?). I could also see a guy like Vince C putting T-Mac on that list.
3. Lets face it. Yao Ming getting voted in every year for the AS team would suggest that he may be a bit overrated at this point in his career, especially when you look at his playing time. He needs to be a bigger part of this team going forward and more of a go-to player to justify his position as a NBA All Star starter. He still has alot to prove.
tim562
05-13-2005, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by NewYorker
Ummm,
until JVG, T-Mac, or Yao win a championship, you have no real counter argument....
That's life.
So you have to win a championship to not be over rated? In that case, most of the guys in the league are over rated.
MadMax
05-13-2005, 10:15 AM
I can see how some would feel Yao is overrated. We were sold a lot of stuff about Yao. He still has time to grow into those things...but think of some of the comments from Bill Walton about Yao playing "perfect basketball." Think of the hype when he was drafted about him transforming the position. There was a LOT of hype. I'm not sure he's measured up to the expectations that came simply with his height.
I love Yao...I think he'll keep getting better. But at this point, I'm not sure it's a stretch to say he's overrated. He beat out Shaq for the All Star Game, for goodness sake.
zhao1109
05-13-2005, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by rocketfan83
IBut T-Mac?
I dont get that. I think he'd be in most peoples top 5 players in the league
well, if you check other team fan club, you still see a lot of TMAC bashing thread.
shaq, TD, Nash, LJ...
NewYorker
05-13-2005, 05:26 PM
Basically.
But if you win a championship and no one really expected it from you, then you're under-rated.
Originally posted by tim562
So you have to win a championship to not be over rated? In that case, most of the guys in the league are over rated.
daoshi
05-13-2005, 08:16 PM
Yao is way overated at this point of his career. He might be great one day, but he is just an above average player right now. When you are hypered as an "all-star", a "dominating" player, that is way overated.
Tmac is overated because he hasn't won anything yet. Personally, I think TMac is the most completed player in this league, but players are measured by winning, he will always be overated until the time the Rockets start winning, the same goes for Mr. Carter.
mfclark
05-13-2005, 09:17 PM
NBA players don't like Yao because, to a large degree, he is not one of them. He came in with all of the hype in the world and has not fulfilled the lofty expectations set for him yet. Fair or not, he is the outsider into the NBA game and with all of the accolades, honors, and endorsements he's able to draw, with a lack of total results on the court, that's why he's viewed by some as overrated.
As for McGrady...when you quit on your team, forcing your way out of TWO cities, and make comments to the effect of "it feels great to finally reach the second round," that's what you are going to get from your fellow players.
How DOES it feel to reach the second round, Tracy McGrady? Oh, that's right...
zhao1109
05-14-2005, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by daoshi
Yao is way overated at this point of his career. He might be great one day, but he is just an above average player right now. When you are hypered as an "all-star", a "dominating" player, that is way overated.
YAO is solid ALL-STAR but overated as superstar. if you look around other all-star in the NBA, yao is way overated?!:mad:
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