Cub Hate

[MadMax]

Maybe this should be a sticky...because we kinda revisit this from time to time here.

Kerry Wood takes the mound today for the Cubs. Cubs fans everywhere are nervous.

Prior got his butt handed to him last night in a minor league start. But he had his control.

1pm start on WGN vs. the Brew Crew today.

[Nick]

I watched Michael Barrett push Troy Glaus from behind LIKE A GIRL, just because Glaus slid into him pretty hard at home (he's a catcher... what the hall does he expect?)

That made me re-affirm my hate for the Cubs. They might have gotten rid of some of their hot-heads like Sosa and Alou... and they no longer have their ultra-homer announcer in Chip Carey (who, along w/ Steve Stone, became infinitly more likeable when THEY started dissing and hating on the Cubs at the end of last year)... but they still have Dusty Baker, Carlos "got ejected from a game he was leading 9-0" Zambrano, and Michael "I am a whiny little bitch" Barrett.

That's all you need...

[rezdawg]

Freakin Arizona took 2 of 3 from them. I love it!

I'd love for Wood to get rocked today. Cub nation would be in shambles.

[NJRocket]

by the way....anyone notice that Alou is already on the DL (or heading there in the next day or so)?

[Svpernaut]

The Cubs are going to be horrible this season... they have no pitching. WOOT.

[NJRocket]

Originally posted by Svpernaut
The Cubs are going to be horrible this season... they have no pitching. WOOT.

lets not get crazy....if their pitchers arent healthy, they have no pitching, .....otherwise, they have as good of a 1-4 as we do

[Clutch]

It sucks being an Astros fan when you have BOTH Prior AND Wood on your fantasy team (not to mention Rolen and Edmonds), but I'm pulling for 60% of their games as losses :)

[NJRocket]

shame on you Clutch...although i bid like hell on Mulder but didnt get him

[Svpernaut]

Originally posted by NJRocket
lets not get crazy....if their pitchers arent healthy, they have no pitching, .....otherwise, they have as good of a 1-4 as we do

Their pitchers won't be healthy... and when they are they won't be as effective as people think.

[msn]

Can we have a sticky for Braves haters? And Dodgers and Mets haters? But especially the Braves. I hate the freaking Braves.

[lalala902102001]

The Cubs are going to finish up fourth in the Central this year. Mark my words.

[PippenAintEZ]

Come on Clutch, I have a policy where I do not draft ANY Cub or any Cardinal. The thing is I don't HATE the Cardinals, I actually respect most of their players. But still, I just couldn't get that happy if they do well, because it hurts the Astros in the end.
And to add to this Cub hating (which I love), Barrett is a little bitch. He needs to realize to just play the game, and there is NO crying in baseball. I do thank him for being the jackass last year that sparked our run last year. Dusty Baker is just an idiot, I don't even know what else to say. I am very happy for Nomar, quit on a team and then get traded, only to see the team that you left ends a curse and wins the World Series. Kind of gets you to think, was is a Red Sox curse, or is Nomar just cursed. I can go on forever, but to make a long story short, cubs SUCK.

[msn]

An oldie, but a goodie:

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September

[MadMax]

Brewers - 1
Cubs - 0

Top of 1st

:)

[Harrisment]

Damn. Cubs are up 2-1 now.

[Groogrux]

Who are the Cubs announcers?

[fya]

Bob brenly and something kaspar(sp)

[Creepy Crawl]

I hate the Cubs ......... but I think my hate for the Cards runs much deeper . :mad:

[MadMax]

Originally posted by Creepy Crawl
I hate the Cubs ......... but I think my hate for the Cards runs much deeper . :mad:

Mine used to. But as I've said here before...at least I respect the Cardinals. My dislike for them is mere rivalry...it's just through competition year in and year out with them. My dislike for the Cubs stems from their whiny attitude.

[halfbreed]

Cuck the Fubs.

[Joshfast]

The only thing worse then the Cubs are Cub fans at MMP.

I respect the Cardinals and the rest of our division but the Cubs......it's just like my hatred of the Jazz - I just hate them, always will.

Cubs =
http://www.genmay.com/images/smilies/spingay.gif

[Lil Francis]

Cubs have to be the most annoying team in baseball. Every year it is some sort of excuse for them getting their ass kicked. Last year they claim the Cardinals let the Astros sweep them so they could get the wildcard. I wonder what will be the excuse this season.

[Another Brother]

Originally posted by MadMax
Maybe this should be a sticky...because we kinda revisit this from time to time here.


Nice try, but believe me those things are more difficult to come by than a hip hop CD in the Astros locker room.

[Svpernaut]

Originally posted by Another Brother
Nice try, but believe me those things are more difficult to come by than a hip hop CD in the Astros locker room.

No worries, there are plenty of hip hop CDs in our other sports teams locker rooms.

[Another Brother]

Originally posted by Svpernaut
No worries, there are plenty of hip hop CDs in our other sports teams locker rooms.

How do you know?

[Svpernaut]

Originally posted by Another Brother
How do you know?

I am Yao Ming and I love 50 cent.

[rezdawg]

CUBS BLOW IT IN THE 9TH!!!!!!!

3-3

[msn]

Originally posted by Another Brother
How do you know?
How do you know there aren't any in the Astros' locker room?

[Groogrux]

Ugh, Brewers had them were they wanted them.

[rezdawg]

Brew crew takes this one, 6-3. Cubs suck!

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by rezdawg
Brew crew takes this one, 6-3. Cubs suck!

Alex Barron roots for the cubs...:(

[Creepy Crawl]

Originally posted by Joshfast
The only thing worse then the Cubs are Cub fans at MMP.

I respect the Cardinals and the rest of our division but the Cubs......it's just like my hatred of the Jazz - I just hate them, always will.

Cubs =
http://www.genmay.com/images/smilies/spingay.gif

See thats how I describe them ........ they are my cowboys of baseball on the level of hatred I have towards them .... as well as my Jazz of baseball .

[Lil Francis]

Originally posted by SamFisher
Alex Barron roots for the cubs...:( Now I hope the Texans don't draft him.

[Uprising]

I hate the cubs. Atleast i have repsect for the Cardinals.

But the cubbies. Only thing worse than a Cubbie player is their fans.

[Groogrux]

Originally posted by Uprising
But the cubbies. Only thing worse than a Cubbie player is their fans.

And the journalists paid to write about them. You can expect seven days straight of seven articles a day about whatever "scandal" is going on up there.

[Uprising]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
And the journalists paid to write about them. You can expect seven days straight of seven articles a day about whatever "scandal" is going on up there.

no sh**!

Man.....I really hate the cubbies.

[Austin70]

Only cub fan I like : BARTMAN

[Uprising]

Originally posted by Austin70
Only cub fan I like : BARTMAN :D :D

[redgoose]

Originally posted by Clutch
It sucks being an Astros fan when you have BOTH Prior AND Wood on your fantasy team (not to mention Rolen and Edmonds), but I'm pulling for 60% of their games as losses :)

Looks like i'm the only one with you on this one. The 1st rule of fantasy baseball is to put your hatred of other teams aside and don't load your team up with your own players.

Pujols has always served me better then expected. As for Mulder, i'd only keep him the 1st half of the season. He always breaks down the second half. But when Prior is healthy, he'll throw you a complete game with plenty of strikeouts. He's been my favorite fantasty starter for some time now.

[ima_drummer2k]

After this offseason, the Mets have replaced the scrubs as my least favorite team...for obvious reasons.

http://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/05/01/11/acarlos.jpg

Right now, life is good because Sucktran and his new team are 0-4. :)

[msn]

Originally posted by ima_drummer2k
After this offseason, the Mets have replaced the scrubs as my least favorite team...for obvious reasons.
I'm still bitter about '86.

[JunkyardDwg]

Originally posted by ima_drummer2k
After this offseason, the Mets have replaced the scrubs as my least favorite team...for obvious reasons.

http://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/05/01/11/acarlos.jpg

Right now, life is good because Sucktran and his new team are 0-4. :)

make that 0-5 :)

[moligity]

Woods roughed up for 4 runs in the 1st, including a HR from ex-Astro Blum.

Cubs losing 5-0 in the third.

Sweet. War, hating the Cubs.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by moligity
Woods roughed up for 4 runs in the 1st, including a HR from ex-Astro Blum.

Cubs losing 5-0 in the third.

Sweet. War, hating the Cubs.

Kerry Wood is among the most overrated MLB players. His career stats...injury or not...do not bear out the gloss his name gets as a premier pitcher in this league. They just don't. I'm not saying he sucks...he doesn't suck. But this guy is not the pitcher we've all been made to believe he is.

[Raven Lunatic]

Originally posted by MadMax
Kerry Wood is among the most overrated MLB players. His career stats...injury or not...do not bear out the gloss his name gets as a premier pitcher in this league. They just don't. I'm not saying he sucks...he doesn't suck. But this guy is not the pitcher we've all been made to believe he is.

Were it not for the 20K, one hitter he threw against the Stros in his rookie season, Wood would never have gotten half the hype he received.

[RocketFan007]

originally posted by MadMax
Kerry Wood is among the most overrated MLB players. His career stats...injury or not...do not bear out the gloss his name gets as a premier pitcher in this league. They just don't. I'm not saying he sucks...he doesn't suck. But this guy is not the pitcher we've all been made to believe he is.

I was about to say great post, until I looked at his stats.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/stats/mlb_individual_stats_player.jsp?playerID=134268&statType=2

5 out of 6 full seasons with an ERA below 3.75. 4 200 strikeout seasons. He's had alot of injury problems, but when he's healthy, he's one of the best pitchers in the game.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by RocketFan007
I was about to say great post, until I looked at his stats.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/stats/mlb_individual_stats_player.jsp?playerID=134268&statType=2

5 out of 6 full seasons with an ERA below 3.75. 4 200 strikeout seasons. He's had alot of injury problems, but when he's healthy, he's one of the best pitchers in the game.

he's had 6 seasons....at some point, you gotta win some games, Chris Holt. at some point, you have to outduel the other guy on the mound. his high in wins for any season is 14. this guy is not the Cy Young caliber pitcher he's made out to be.

again..i'm not saying he sucks...i'm saying he isn't in the echelon of pitchers he's mentioned with.

[RocketFan007]

originally posted by MadMax
he's had 6 seasons....at some point, you gotta win some games, Chris Holt. at some point, you have to outduel the other guy on the mound. his high in wins for any season is 14. this guy is not the Cy Young caliber pitcher he's made out to be.

again..i'm not saying he sucks...i'm saying he isn't in the echelon of pitchers he's mentioned with.

You can't judge how good a pitcher is based on wins. The Cubs were a BAD team when he first came up and have had a terrible bullpen that has blown possible Wood wins the last couple of seasons. Hell, Jeriome Robertson won 15 games a few years ago, he must be better than Kerry Wood right? I mean hell, he won more games. His ERA proves what type of pitcher he is.

[NIKEstrad]

Originally posted by RocketFan007
You can't judge how good a pitcher is based on wins. The Cubs were a BAD team when he first came up and have had a terrible bullpen that has blown possible Wood wins the last couple of seasons. Hell, Jeriome Robertson won 15 games a few years ago, he must be better than Kerry Wood right? I mean hell, he won more games. His ERA proves what type of pitcher he is.

When you allow around 4.5 BB/9IP, you tend to have to leave games earlier.

MadMax's point is people seem to talk about Kerry Wood like he's a perennial Cy Young candidate, which he isn't. Compare him to say, RoyO - Oswalt averages 2.2 BB/9IP. Congratulations to Wood on an ERA under 3.75- Roy's career high to date is a 3.49, and his first 3 seasons were at or below 3.0. Wood's best ERA is still above 3.0 (3.20 to be exact, not surprisingly the same year he won his 14). Roy has 3 14+ plus win seasons, and 2 19+ win seasons.

Both Zambrano and Prior on his own staff have accomplished the feat of 15+ wins and ERAs under 3. We won't even mention what Maddux did earlier in his career that is just plain disgusting (ERAs in the mid 1s).

The point is, Wood isn't an elite level pitcher. He is a dominant strikeout artist of a pitcher capable of putting up jaw dropping performances, but he isn't consistent to be considered a preseason Cy Young candidate that some proclaim him to be.

[lalala902102001]

At the end of the day, the only stats that count are wins and losses. Kerry Wood has never been a winner and will never be. He's a .500 pitcher who strikes out a lot of people (and walks a lot of people). He also gets himself hurt all the time because of his poor mechanics.

[SamCassell]

That walk ratio is the same problem Nolan Ryan had, and what contributed to his poor career winning percentage (along with the bad teams). Nolan walked about 4.7 runners per 9ip. Course that was easier to get away with since he could still pitch effectively with high pitch counts.