Kirk Snyder is an idiot!

[Rockets34Legend]

http://www.sltrib.com/jazz/ci_2627705

Utah's Kirk Snyder said he was wrong to talk smack in front of Houston's bench during Utah's 99-85 loss to the Rockets on Monday. But was it the first time? No, according to Houston guard Bob Sura.

After the game, Sura claimed Snyder used a racist comment in the February contest, which Utah won 99-92.

"It was a bush-league play. You don't do that stuff in this league," Sura said of Snyder's actions on Monday. "Our last game, he made a racist comment to one of our players. I'm not a fan."

Told of Sura's comments, Snyder denied making any such comment.

He couldn't deny his actions on Monday, as everyone in the Delta Center watched him make a driving layup in the third quarter, then continue running to the Houston bench where he stopped and gestured.

Houston coach Jeff Van Gundy quickly jumped up and went out on the floor and was called for a technical. The technical free throw, plus one made by Snyder for getting fouled on the layup, cut Houston's lead to 68-66.

But that was it for Snyder's gloating, and Utah's comeback, as coach Jerry Sloan yanked him and chewed him out on the bench.

"He's not Michael Jordan," said Sloan, who for a brief moment thought he might spend his birthday breaking up a brawl. "Michael was good enough where he might be able to say something, but I don't see that in Kirk just yet."

After taking Snyder out of the game and giving him an earful, Sloan waved in the direction of the Houston bench, letting the Rockets know Snyder was dealt with.

[Gatorfan76]

Racist comment ? Maybe towards Yao ?

[Clutch]

Originally posted by Gatorfan76
Racist comment ? Maybe towards Yao ?

Towards Jon Barry, according to the Chronicle.

[DaGhettoAsianFo]

As much as I hate the Jazz.... Jerry Sloan is really a classy guy.

[hikanoo49]

that was a very good gesture by Sloan. nice to see a coach actually stand up to his players

[RocketsPimp]

Originally posted by Clutch
Towards Jon Barry, according to the Chronicle.

Could you provide a link for that Clutchster?

[Rockets34Legend]

Originally posted by RocketsPimp
Could you provide a link for that Clutchster?

Here ya go, Pimp!

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3106890

After sweeping to the rim to score through a Dikembe Mutombo foul, Utah's Kirk Snyder celebrated by wagging his tongue in front of the Rockets' bench.

"That's bush-league," Bob Sura said. "You don't do that kind of stuff in the NBA. In our last game, he made a racist comment to one of our players (Jon Barry). I'm not a fan."

Sura and Barry would not elaborate, and Snyder denied making any comments when the teams played last month.

When coach Jeff Van Gundy screamed for the technical foul, official Jack Nies hit him instead. Mehmet Okur put in the free throw, Snyder hit his, and the Jazz had a 16-2 run.

[MR. MEOWGI]

Snyder is just trying to get it on with Mrs. Ramano.

[Harrisment]

Originally posted by RocketsPimp
Could you provide a link for that Clutchster?

We wouldn't want you to waste the 10 seconds it would take you to find the story yourself. ;)


"That's bush-league," Bob Sura said. "You don't do that kind of stuff in the NBA. In our last game, he made a racist comment to one of our players (Jon Barry). I'm not a fan."

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3106890

[Willis25]

you guys should have made this a poll

"Is Kirk Snyder a Douchebag" would have worked !

[T-2]

Yeah, I was impressed by Sloan in this case. And on the surface it is a classy move.

But he's a smart man. At the moment, his team does not measure up talent-wise with the rest of the league. The last thing he needs is for average players on his team to rile up opponents. His team wins by outworking and outsmarting the opponent. A mad opponent does not get outworked.

By saying that "he's not Michael", one could intrerpret that to mean if they were supremely talented, they could win in spite of such arrogance, and then it would not matter to Sloan if a buffoon (Snyder) irritates his opponent, which makes Sloan's motives far less pure.

[sabonis]

I'm never been a fan of gloating especially when it includes derogatory remarks. If it's true, Snyder is a piece of trash. I've always respected Jerry Sloan, even through my most hateful years for the Utah Jazz.

Stuart

[Ill-Skillz]

Snyder has no idea how close Van Gundy came to humping his leg last night!!

[rezdawg]

Sloan is the only good thing the Jazz have. I hate everything else about that team.

[Gatorfan76]

He really is an idiot--check out this article-what kind of fool doesn't know the words to Happy Birthday ?? You just sing the same crap over and over again ...

http://sltrib.com/jazz/ci_2627703

Butchered birthday song

Monday was Sloan's 63rd birthday, and as is their prerogative, the Jazz's veterans forced rookies Kirk Snyder and Kris Humphries to serenade the coach during the morning shootaround with a round of "Happy Birthday."

If that's what it was.

"They absolutely butchered it," judged Raja Bell. "Brutal."
Added Curtis Borchardt, "Snyder didn't know the words. Who doesn't know the words to 'Happy Birthday'?"

Humphries acknowledged the performance was not good, but blamed his counterpart. "Snyder always brings us down in that situation," he joked. "He represents both of us, but it's hard having someone who doesn't pull their weight when it comes to singing."

The Jazz normally have good luck on Sloan's birthday. Since he became coach in 1988, the Jazz had played on seven March 28s before Monday, with a 5-2 record.

[moligity]

Originally posted by Ill-Skillz
Snyder has no idea how close Van Gundy came to humping his leg last night!!

:D

[BiGGieStuFF]

So if it was a racist comment towards barry, wouldn't it be towards sura too? I knew it! Sura is really Black! :D

[DeAleck]

A black Jazz player making racist comments toward an opposing white player?? Why didn't the entire Jazz team just beat him up? Half of their team is white.

[Willis25]

Originally posted by BiGGieStuFF
So if it was a racist comment towards barry, wouldn't it be towards sura too? I knew it! Sura is really Black! :D

I ilke how the one black guy in the whole state of Utah is making racist comments at the white guys on the Rockets bench :confused:

[fya]

That what happens when you live in Utah.

[YallMean]

That was at least a double T on Synder as well. The refs were horrible last night.

[GoatBoy]

Originally posted by Willis25
I ilke how the one black guy in the whole state of Utah is making racist comments at the white guys on the Rockets bench :confused:

Dude, there are at least 3 or 4 black guys in Utah. At least when the Jizz isn't on a road trip.

[dugtzu]

god, i hate admitting it- but i have so much respect for sloan as a coach. on top of that i have to give props to the jazz organization (the boozer thing is all on carlos' shoulders imho) for keeping on such an old school coach- especially considering how the cavs dealt with silas.

dont get me wrong though- i still hate that team. :)

[DeAleck]

After taking Snyder out of the game and giving him an earful, Sloan waved in the direction of the Houston bench, letting the Rockets know Snyder was dealt with.


LOL, no wonder teams and fans respect Sloan. He's simply a respectful man. Coaches like Jerry Sloan, Larry Brown and Hubbie Brown are the coaches I respect the most. They are old school and respectful. Too bad Hubbie's retired, and both Brown and Sloan are getting really old.

[GladiatoRowdy]

Originally posted by dugtzu
god, i hate admitting it- but i have so much respect for sloan as a coach. on top of that i have to give props to the jazz organization (the boozer thing is all on carlos' shoulders imho) for keeping on such an old school coach- especially considering how the cavs dealt with silas.

dont get me wrong though- i still hate that team. :)

If he ends up in Sloan's doghouse, it could mean the end. Players who go into Sloan's doghouse don't usually go on to stellar careers (ex. Ostertag).

[littlefish_220]

Have to give props to Sloan. He is classy, and he is great in coaching.

[bigtexxx]

Snyder made a racist comment last year to Brock Gillespie during a Rice/Nevada WAC game. He's a douche-bag.

[GBRocket]

Players who go into Sloan's doghouse don't usually go on to stellar careers (ex. Ostertag).

Yep, like John Amaechi and Carlos Arroyo

[RocketForever]

I am seeing the name 'douchebag' everywhere on this board lately.

Media person who is called a douchebag (http://bbs2.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?threadid=93611)

NBA player who is called a douchebag (http://bbs2.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?threadid=93626)

Poster on this board who is called a douchebag (http://bbs2.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?threadid=93627)

Too many douchebags in this world...:p

[swilkins]

I saw Sloan giving Snyder an earful and I settled down.

[Man]

Props to Sloan..you're the man! Happy Birthday

[BullRider]

I can not believe snyder did not get a TECH for that yet we did!

[DeAleck]

Originally posted by BullRider
I can not believe snyder did not get a TECH for that yet we did!

He got a lesson from Sloan, which is way worse.

[Toast]

Yeah, I'm with the camp who has more respect for Sloan than we like to admit.

You know, if Snyder wants to talk a little trash on the court, that's one thing. But showing up a bench or a coach or a fan ... that's just low class. Unless provoked, of course.

[gucci888]

Originally posted by Toast
Yeah, I'm with the camp who has more respect for Sloan than we like to admit.


I'm with you Toast. As much as I hate every aspect of the Jazz organization, Sloan is one of the most respected coaches in the league. He has always shown class and respect.

[GoatBoy]

Originally posted by Toast
Yeah, I'm with the camp who has more respect for Sloan than we like to admit.

You know, if Snyder wants to talk a little trash on the court, that's one thing. But showing up a bench or a coach or a fan ... that's just low class. Unless provoked, of course.

Hey, Toast, I think the link in your sig has a typo in it.

[The_Yoyo]

Originally posted by Toast
Yeah, I'm with the camp who has more respect for Sloan than we like to admit.

You know, if Snyder wants to talk a little trash on the court, that's one thing. But showing up a bench or a coach or a fan ... that's just low class. Unless provoked, of course.

Count me in that camp. I hate the Jazz with a passion, but the Jazz as I picture is Malone and stockon. Sloan is an amazing coach and a class guy imo. Its a shame that he hasnt won a coach of the year yet.


But dont get me wrong I still want the jazz to lose every year till the day I die even though karla and stockon are gone, hopefully sloan resigns and coaches elsewhere

[Dallas Rocket]

Several comments:

** Kirk Snyder is an idiot ...he'll get his down the line, somewhere, somehow

** Jerry Sloan has only enhanced my respect for him

** There were 3 officiating calls (all against us) that may be the WORST I have ever witnessed: the first was the charge called against Sura, the second was against Yao when he was literally bear hugged and pulled backwards, and the third was the "T" on JVG for Snyder's actions. These were so blatantly wrong they were a joke.

Props to the team for staying focused and responding. BTW, the first half by TMac might have been the best offensive display I've ever seen in one half of basketball. Damn, is he something!!

D R

[tigermission1]

Originally posted by bigtexxx
Snyder made a racist comment last year to Brock Gillespie during a Rice/Nevada WAC game. He's a douche-bag.

You are right, he is just a racist a-hole, nothing more to it really. Some people even after making all the money in the world, they can't clean up their act, they stay and act like scum bags.

[BrockStapper]

that Snyder incident got me worked up for sure. I was glad to see Sloan handle it the way that he did. I used to hate and respect Jerry Sloan... Now I just respect him. oh well... at least I can still hate the Jizz...

My favorite part of the game was Barry though. I would like to see a pic of the jump ball he had where he thought he had been fouled on the play. Looked like he threw his elbow into the dudes face on the way up and won the jump... Classic.

[Rocketman95]

Count me down as someone else who respected what Sloan did. I've always hated the guy more than Stockton and Malone because as the coach of those two dirty ****ers, I believe he was and is largely responsible for how the game is played defensively now. However, I don't think there are that many coaches who would've done that to their player had they not been given the technical.

After that play, it had be reflecting on the fact that Sloan has toughed it out in Utah when other coaches (um, Phil, I'm looking in your direction) would've bolted and waited for more superstars to come calling.

Good for you, Jerry.

[StupidMoniker]

Please stop giving so much love to Jerry Sloan all. He had/has his players practice flopping and cheap shots. I don't care how many good things he does like last night, his is the ringleader of the dirty flopping, cheap-shotting jazzholes.

[Baqui99]

I wonder what Kirk called Jon Barry? I'm thinking he said "honky" or "cracker."

[Raven Lunatic]

As glad as I am that Snyder was dealt with by his own coach and didn't have to get a fine handed down by the league or something, I can't bring myself to say that I respect Jerry Sloan. There is a reason his teams play dirty, and I think it is because he teaches the dirty play...or at least encourages it. It's the way he operated when he was a player, and it's how he operates now as a coach. I will give him credit for his handling of Snyder, though. That was good to see.

[Will]

God, that is such a classy move by Jerry Sloan. Old school values.

That does it. I want to have Jerry Sloan's baby.

[saleem]

Sloan deserves credit for doing the right thing but that doesn't condone all the antics and cheating he has been doing for years.
He is just as much responsible for the reputation the Jazz have as Malone and Stockton do.
He teaches fundamental basketball but will do anything illegal to win as well.

[El Toro]

Let's not start sucking Jerry Sloan's d**k just yet. Hornacek, Stockton, Malone, Osterfag, and countless others have been coached into a style of place that encourages flops, flying elbows and knees, whining to officials, and who knows how many secret backdoor handjobs to Jake O'Donnell. The man is pure evil, tried and true. What did you expect him to do or say in that situation? He's not going to publicly commend Snyder for his actions, nor will he chide the man anymore than he has to to make his reaction appear sincere.

[NewYorker]

Wait - how can you make a racist comment against a white guy?

Think about it....what could he call him? Redneck? White Trash? Hick?

Must have been against Yao...with no one wanting to publicize it as a distraction and media circus.

[Willis25]

Originally posted by GoatBoy
Dude, there are at least 3 or 4 black guys in Utah. At least when the Jizz isn't on a road trip.


you may be right... ironcially, I think I am friends with one of the only black females in Utah - she moved there from Texas about 3 years ago -

btw ... who are the "Jizz" ;)

[Uprising]

Man, Sloan moved up in my book after seeing him yell at Snyder last night.

[bottlerocket]

I have more respect for Coach Sloan now, but still hate the Jazz.

[Invisible Fan]

His comment afterwards was something to the effect of that's how fights get started.

C'mon guys, he's still a Jazzhole.

[AroundTheWorld]

Sloan to sit Snyder

Having seen the tape of Kirk Snyder's taunting of the Rockets' bench on Monday, Jazz coach Jerry Sloan said he would not play Snyder today against Denver, adding that he would not have played Snyder again on Monday had he seen the episode.

Snyder said he was actually looking into the crowd and denied a charge by Rockets guard Bob Sura that he made a racist comment to Jon Barry during a previous game between the Rockets and Jazz. Sloan said the tape was clear that Snyder was not looking into the crowd Monday.

"I'm not going to play him the next game," Sloan told the Salt Lake City Tribune. "I watched it on film. I thought it was ridiculous what he did. It wasn't a casual thing like 'I was looking up in the stands.'
He went right over to the bench. He wasn't looking up into the stands. You have to be held accountable for some of those things. To me, it really could have been a serious situation.

"Kirk talks a lot. He should just save his talking for when the game is over. That's what we're hoping to get our guys to do."


http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3108896

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I have a lot of respect for Sloan.

[mirror_image]

Now I love Sloan as much as JVG. What a classy guy!

[RocketsFan123]

Originally posted by El Toro
Let's not start sucking Jerry Sloan's d**k just yet. Hornacek, Stockton, Malone, Osterfag, and countless others have been coached into a style of place that encourages flops, flying elbows and knees, whining to officials, and who knows how many secret backdoor handjobs to Jake O'Donnell. The man is pure evil, tried and true. What did you expect him to do or say in that situation? He's not going to publicly commend Snyder for his actions, nor will he chide the man anymore than he has to to make his reaction appear sincere.

El Toro does make a valid argument here.

[DeAleck]

Originally posted by RocketsFan123
El Toro does make a valid argument here.

I really don't think so. The whole "Jazz is a dirty team" thing is overrated. Malone is dirty. Stockton is dirty. But I don't see anyone else is. In the past couple years after Stockton and Malone are gone, you don't see the "dirty plays" anymore. It's now more of an urban legend. Now days, you don't find a Bruce Bowen or Danny Fortson on the Jazz team. Raja Bell is kinda close, but he's mellowed out this season.

Whining to the refs? Comon! Tell me what team doesn't do that? Just tell me one team who doesn't whine to the refs. Please, please, please, would you? Please! Please!

Flopping? In the league right now, when you talk about flopping, does any Jazz player come to mind? Last time I checked, Derek Fisher and Vlade Divac don't play for the Jazz.

The Jazz sucks. But using urban legends as a way to support one's argument isn't "valid".

There is no insincerity in Sloan when he benched Snyder and got into his face. Now he's even suspending the guy for what he did. Do you really think it's a grandstanding by Sloan to gain respect from the Rockets fans? Do you think he actually care what we think? He never even bothered to lobby for the Coach of Year award, although he's one of the most deserving ones in the history of the NBA. If he doesn't care for getting the Coach of the Year, you believe he cares about how Rockets fans perceive him?

Sloan's evil? OK, so is Santa, right?

[RocketsFan123]

Originally posted by DeAleck
I really don't think so. The whole "Jazz is a dirty team" thing is overrated. Malone is dirty. Stockton is dirty. But I don't see anyone else is. In the past couple years after Stockton and Malone are gone, you don't see the "dirty plays" anymore. It's now more of an urban legend. Now days, you don't find a Bruce Bowen or Danny Fortson on the Jazz team. Raja Bell is kinda close, but he's mellowed out this season.

Whining to the refs? Comon! Tell me what team doesn't do that? Just tell me one team who doesn't whine to the refs. Please, please, please, would you? Please! Please!

Flopping? In the league right now, when you talk about flopping, does any Jazz player come to mind? Last time I checked, Derek Fisher and Vlade Divac don't play for the Jazz.

The Jazz sucks. But using urban legends as a way to support one's argument isn't "valid".

There is no insincerity in Sloan when he benched Snyder and got into his face. Now he's even suspending the guy for what he did. Do you really think it's a grandstanding by Sloan to gain respect from the Rockets fans? Do you think he actually care what we think? He never even bothered to lobby for the Coach of Year award, although he's one of the most deserving ones in the history of the NBA. If he doesn't care for getting the Coach of the Year, you believe he cares about how Rockets fans perceive him?

Sloan's evil? OK, so is Santa, right?

Wow! You really analyzed that one. I didn't agree with everything El Toro said. I thought he made a few good arguments. I give credit to Sloan and respect for what he just did. However, the past is hard to forget. Sloan is also probably mellowing out with age and near the end of his career. El Toro has some points though about the past. Jazz were a dirty team. Sloan knew about it and didn't try to stop it and encouraged it by not doing anything about it. Who knows what else? You are right about the other stuff IMO.

[emjohn]

Also tipping my hat to Sloan. It's much easier to like him now that Malone is gone. Don't forget he's still grieving the loss of his wife to cancer. That man is cut from serious rock.

It's pretty sad that he's routinely left out of great coaches in the game talk. Look at Larry Brown's prima donna act and history of commitment to his team versus Sloan.

Evan

[Rockets34Legend]

I was so glad when Sloan jumped on this jackass.

[Toast]

Originally posted by GoatBoy
Hey, Toast, I think the link in your sig has a typo in it.

Doh! Thanks for the heads up.

You know, as a Rockets fans I definitely hate all the cheapy little things the Jazz always get away with. Moving picks. Flops. Favorable calls (like when Malone kicks out his leg while taking a jumpshot, racks the defender and somehow gets a blocking foul called). But the thing is, they've historically gotten away with it. Credit Sloan.

Hate him all you want. I hate that SOB. But you gotta give him props for that. And for other things he does, but I'm not about to turn colors and give REAL praise to anyone associated with the Jassholes. :D

I imagine Snyder might have just earned himself a corner in the largest doghouse in the game.

[Rocketman95]

Karl Malone was dirty (http://www.makingpages.org/hoops/Malone.danger.html) before he got to Utah.

[EddieWasSnubbed]

Originally posted by Sir Jackie Chiles
"Kirk talks a lot. He should just save his talking for when the game is over. That's what we're hoping to get our guys to do."



For some reason, that quote bothers me.

[rhadamanthus]

Originally posted by Houstonian-in-NYC
Wait - how can you make a racist comment against a white guy?

Think about it....what could he call him? Redneck? White Trash? Hick?


Yes. Those are racist.

I was not aware being white makes me immune from racist comments. :rolleyes:

[moestavern19]

Originally posted by rhadamanthus
Yes. Those are racist.

I was not aware being white makes me immune from racist comments. :rolleyes:


If I had to guess, I'd say Snyder called him a Nazi or something along those lines.

[Gatorfan76]

They're talking about the Snyder incident on PTI right now....

Wilbon says good for Sloan, and he would have benched Snyder for the rest of the season...

[DeAleck]

Originally posted by Gatorfan76
They're talking about the Snyder incident on PTI right now....

Wilbon says good for Sloan, and he would have benched Snyder for the rest of the season...

And he'd be fired before the season ends. Man, it's so easy for these media guys fire claims left and right and not to be accounted for what they are saying.

[BigBenito]

I have a fealing Sloan is angrier about Snyder lying to him about the incident than the incident itself.

[BigBenito]

*feeling

[Lugz504]

He is an idiot, I had a math class with him in Reno. He consistantly made an ass of himself, and made jokes about getting an A no matter what he did, when he was actually in class that is. Most of the time he slept through the whole thing, and in the end he did get that A.

[scv_rockets]

Boo the crap out of him the next time Snyder comes to the Toyota Center.

[baller4life315]

Originally posted by scv_rockets
Boo the crap out of him the next time Snyder comes to the Toyota Center.

If you can even point him out in the 1st place. I'm sure there are NBA experts that don't even know who he is. I wish I could make it to the pro's and average 4 ppg.:rolleyes:

[DeAleck]

Originally posted by Lugz504
He is an idiot, I had a math class with him in Reno. He consistantly made an ass of himself, and made jokes about getting an A no matter what he did, when he was actually in class that is. Most of the time he slept through the whole thing, and in the end he did get that A.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Your classmate brought you out of three years of lurking. Snyder made a difference in this community!

[insane man]

its one thing for the jazz to play dirty. and i think sloan is responsible for that. but as a person he seems like a real class guy.

plus its a fine line. when the guy is on your team he's just 'playing hard'. like the comment about barry elbowing someone on a jumpball. but when its on another team its 'dirty'.

but sloan seems like a class guy. and he's been through a lot with his wife's death and all. and i kinda like him.

[terse]

Yeah, I'm also revising my opinion of Sloan slightly upwards.

Last summer when Greg Ostertag said that Sloan was a "good man", I nearly choked on my soda. What? How can the coach of the nasty, dirty, cheating Jazz be anything but scum? Ostertag had to be on drugs.

But the Snyder incident gives me pause. Maybe Ostertag knew what he was talking about after all. Probably Sloan wasn't being totally altruistic -- maybe he knew that he had a potential Artest on his hands, and wanted to nip that attitude in the bud -- but it doesn't matter. What Sloan did was commendable, and my opinion of him has improved. He still doesn't have my total respect -- there is just too much history -- but I am ready to invite him back into the human race.

[DeAleck]

Originally posted by terse
Yeah, I'm also revising my opinion of Sloan slightly upwards.

Last summer when Greg Ostertag said that Sloan was a "good man", I nearly choked on my soda. What? How can the coach of the nasty, dirty, cheating Jazz be anything but scum? Ostertag had to be on drugs.

But the Snyder incident gives me pause. Maybe Ostertag knew what he was talking about after all. Probably Sloan wasn't being totally altruistic -- maybe he knew that he had a potential Artest on his hands, and wanted to nip that attitude in the bud -- but it doesn't matter. What Sloan did was commendable, and my opinion of him has improved. He still doesn't have my total respect -- there is just too much history -- but I am ready to invite him back into the human race.

Give edc a call. He needs to invite JVG back into our race as well.

[macfan]

DALLAS - Jazz guard Kirk Snyder and Mavericks forward Jerry Stackhouse engaged in a 40-second fistfight in an American Airlines Center hallway Saturday night after the Jazz's 88-81 loss to Dallas.

http://www.sltrib.com/jazz/ci_2648358

[Clutch]

Originally posted by macfan
DALLAS - Jazz guard Kirk Snyder and Mavericks forward Jerry Stackhouse engaged in a 40-second fistfight in an American Airlines Center hallway Saturday night after the Jazz's 88-81 loss to Dallas.

http://www.sltrib.com/jazz/ci_2648358

http://bbs2.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=94201