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LongTimeFan
03-10-2005, 02:46 AM
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/3077890

PHOENIX - Bob Sura's legs bounced nervously, uncontrollably as he sat on the Rockets' bench watching teammates warm up.

His face was hard, his eyes empty. He did not turn his head or change his expression when he finally said what had become obvious: "This is killing me."

Sura then had two more games to serve on the injured list, incarcerated by soreness that developed in his surgically repaired back the day after the All-Star break.

The frustration was evident from the first games he missed. It became worse when he went on the injured list so that the Rockets could make roster moves to acquire Mike James and Moochie Norris to hold down his position and force him to follow doctor's orders.

But the Rockets lost four of his first five games barred from the court, increasing his longing to return to the active roster.

The Rockets' rout of Dallas on Sunday helped. But then another game, Tuesday's win in Seattle brought back his aching desire, as if his last drops of patience drained in his last game certain to be out.

"It is very difficult to start out the season the way I did (missing training camp and the first month of the season due to the back surgery) and now to be gone, to have another setback," Sura said. "It's been, well, it's been very difficult.

"It really hurt me to sit there and watch. It's really hard on me. I'd almost rather sit home than to be there, but I have to be there. It's not fun for me."

But with Tuesday's game behind him, Sura had completed his required five-game stay on the injured list and could be freed from the bench for Friday's game against Phoenix.

"He says he feels fine," Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy said. "He's practiced. He'll practice in Phoenix (today). We'll see from there."

If his return is uncertain, to be determined after Friday's shootaround, his place in the Rockets' rotation is not.

"He'll start," Van Gundy said, cutting off the question to indicate that there is no question about that.

But Sura also had no doubt he would be ready to play by Friday.

"I practiced the other day for the first time," Sura said. "We had some hard workouts, some hard conditioning workouts. We'll practice (today) and be ready to go Friday.

"It doesn't feel great. I don't know that it will this year or maybe ever. It's something I will have to live with, I guess."

The Rockets will not wait for Sura to fully recover, knowing that he might never play an NBA schedule without some soreness. They will need him to judge his readiness, knowing that at this point it will be difficult to get him to acknowledge a setback should today's practice not go well.

Trainer report good
"He's doing well," Rockets trainer Keith Jones said. "He's able to practice and do everything. If he's still feeling like he is now or feeling better, I'd assume we'd take him off the injured list and make a decision from there.

"Obviously, he can play with a lot of pain. He's played through a lot. You just really don't know how he's feeling, and Bobby's not going to tell you. He tries to play through everything. When he says 'I can't do it,' you know it's gotten pretty bad. Bobby's back, he's always going to have some discomfort and some stiffness. He has to gauge it. He knows if he can work through it."

But there is a sense that at this point, Sura would inflict injury before admitting to one.

"I can tell you what the decision is going to be: He's playing," guard Jon Barry said. "He's chomping at the bit. I don't think Keith has got enough to stop him. Bobby wants to be out there bad."

For all his frustration, Sura said that he was relieved to learn that the soreness was caused by a buildup of scar tissue on a vertebra, rather than a new injury. But with that fear out of the way, he could move on to basketball concerns.

The Rockets' second-leading rebounder at the time, averaging 10 rebounds per game in the five games before the break, he watched as the Rockets were outrebounded in four of the next five games.

If he comes back Friday, he would return in time to face three of the most difficult point guard assignments in the NBA, Steve Nash, Mike Bibby and Baron Davis, with three games squeezed into a rush of four days.

"It was disappointing for him to have to go out," Barry said. "We won eight in a row. We go to the break. The pieces were finally into place and he goes down. We need him. What Bob brings is something we have lacked. It will be nice to finally have our team set."

Intense test
That schedule would seem an intense test for the healthiest of players. But if there was a bright side to Sura's unwelcome return to the injured list, it did allow him to rest his sore right knee, a nuisance since mid-December.

"The knee felt good, the body's rested," Sura said. "I guess that's a good thing. But it's hard. It pains me to sit watching."

But finally, after all those maddening nights stuck to the bench, instead of playing through pain, playing will end it.
Rockets summary

Reluctant hero
Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy made his point clear. He then made his orders clearer.

Center Yao Ming, Van Gundy told the Rockets, was making 59 percent of his shots in the fourth quarter this season.

Yao Ming, he added, should get the ball in the fourth quarter.

Several days after that practice, Yao made four of five fourth-quarter shots, scoring 10 points, and passing to Tracy McGrady for a 3-pointer, helping the Rockets hold off Seattle on Tuesday.

"I cannot say it feels good. I feel a lot of pressure in the fourth quarter," Yao said. "Coach talked about my field-goal percentage in the fourth quarter in practice. I did not know that. It gave me a lot of confidence. It's still a lot of pressure."

Light my fire
Beginning with Tuesday's game in Seattle, the Rockets' four-game road trip offers a pretty good taste of some of the tougher venues in the league for visiting teams. After Friday's game in Phoenix, the Rockets will travel to Sacramento.

But as much as a home crowd helps their opponents, the Rockets have said that playing in that kind of atmosphere helps them, too.

"Having people against you lights a fire under most people," Rockets guard Jon Barry said. "It really does for Tracy (McGrady). I like to see him get upset. When he's upset, he's really something."

Asked about the difference between playing before raucous crowds at home compared to docile home crowds, Barry said the Rockets have fed off the energy on the road often lacking in Toyota Center.

"Certainly, our energy level on the road has been better on the road than at home," Barry said. "It's a great atmosphere in Seattle and, of course, it's always tough playing in Sacramento."

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You gotta love this guy, I can't wait to see him back on the court. Go Bobby!

AroundTheWorld
03-10-2005, 02:56 AM
Originally posted by LongTimeFan
"When Tracy goes off like that, it makes it easy. I can say he and I combined for 48." - Jon Barry

That's a funny quote :D.

Davidoff
03-10-2005, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by LongTimeFan


But as much as a home crowd helps their opponents, the Rockets have said that playing in that kind of atmosphere helps them, too.

"Having people against you lights a fire under most people," Rockets guard Jon Barry said. "It really does for Tracy (McGrady). I like to see him get upset. When he's upset, he's really something."

Asked about the difference between playing before raucous crowds at home compared to docile home crowds, Barry said the Rockets have fed off the energy on the road often lacking in Toyota Center.

"Certainly, our energy level on the road has been better on the road than at home," Barry said. "It's a great atmosphere in Seattle and, of course, it's always tough playing in Sacramento."



Well, we dont really seem to fill up the Toybox till the playoffs... I hope this year we make it to the second round and tickets sell better next year..

yangstax
03-10-2005, 03:14 AM
How do we get Tmac upset more often???/

aries323
03-10-2005, 06:17 AM
The starting 5 looks good

Sura
Wesley
T-Mac
Howard
Yao

The bench

James
Barry
Bowen
Padgett / Spoon
Deke

Baker
Moochie

Preston27
03-10-2005, 06:21 AM
Originally posted by aries323
The starting 5 looks good

Sura
Wesley
T-Mac
Howard
Yao

The bench

James
Barry
Bowen
Padgett / Spoon
Deke

Baker
Moochie

Dare I say it: The Rockets have become a deep team.

Deuce
03-10-2005, 07:16 AM
I'm Back!
http://www.scottschirmer.com/Miscellaneous/robocop-pweller6.jpg

forchette49
03-10-2005, 07:35 AM
Originally posted by Deuce
I'm Back!
http://www.scottschirmer.com/Miscellaneous/robocop-pweller6.jpg :eek::eek: :eek:

Willis25
03-10-2005, 08:39 AM
http://products.priceclash.co.uk/images/nodrop/180/B000050NS2/videos/the-adventures-of-buckaroo-banzai.jpg

moligity
03-10-2005, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by yangstax
How do we get Tmac upset more often???/

We should start booing him at home.

across110thstreet
03-10-2005, 08:52 AM
http://www.metl.net/images/sura.jpg

jopatmc
03-10-2005, 08:54 AM
I would put Moochie on the IL instead of Baker.

FranchiseBlade
03-10-2005, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by LongTimeFan
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/3077890

"It really hurt me to sit there and watch. It's really hard on me. I'd almost rather sit home than to be there, but I have to be there. It's not fun for me."


Bobby Sura would rather be home taking it easy than supporting his teammates? He's getting paid millions and it isn't fun for him?

Aren't PG's supposed to be leaders? I guess he's just part of the new spoiled generation of players that feel like they are entitled to all the money they get, and don't want to earn it. Our team will be a lot better when Sura is gone.

If that article had been about our previous pg we would have had posts very much like the one above. I'm glad my joking post was the only one that's come along so far.

Rockets!

Rockets34Legend
03-10-2005, 09:20 AM
I wish we could have more players like Bobby Sura. :cool:

ChenZhen
03-10-2005, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by FranchiseBlade
Bobby Sura would rather be home taking it easy than supporting his teammates? He's getting paid millions and it isn't fun for him?

Aren't PG's supposed to be leaders? I guess he's just part of the new spoiled generation of players that feel like they are entitled to all the money they get, and don't want to earn it. Our team will be a lot better when Sura is gone.

If that article had been about our previous pg we would have had posts very much like the one above. I'm glad my joking post was the only one that's come along so far.

Rockets!

I guess that's what having a bad rep of whining (vancouver incident) will do to you but a very good point indeed.

tmac
03-10-2005, 09:54 AM
I'm glad his knee feels better after the rest, even if we did go 3-4. Better now than in the first round of the playoffs. It'll be interesting to see who goes on the IL and what the malady will be.

droxford
03-10-2005, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by FranchiseBlade
Bobby Sura would rather be home taking it easy than supporting his teammates? He's getting paid millions and it isn't fun for him?

Aren't PG's supposed to be leaders? I guess he's just part of the new spoiled generation of players that feel like they are entitled to all the money they get, and don't want to earn it. Our team will be a lot better when Sura is gone.

If that article had been about our previous pg we would have had posts very much like the one above. I'm glad my joking post was the only one that's come along so far.

Rockets!

You totally missed it. If All Sura cared about was the money, he wouldn't be so crazy to get back on the court. He wouldn't be fighting the trainer to get back on the court while his back was injured.

What Sura is saying is that it's torture for him to sit courtside and watch us lose 4/5 while he doesn't play. Being at home wouldn't be as torturous: he wouldn't have the games/losses right there in his face while he was helpless.

-- droxford

user
03-10-2005, 10:05 AM
It's all SURA's fault!!

rockbox
03-10-2005, 10:08 AM
I starting to like Sura more and more. I didn't like him at first but he and Jon Barry are playing with the heart that we lost with Cat.

superden
03-10-2005, 10:10 AM
i really hope sura gets better, i mean it is awesome to see him play through pain and all, but sometimes i wonder how much more can he take? but no doubt this guy is a WARRIOR and we can always use him on the court. and what barry said about our home crowd... it is kinda sad bc it is so empty and quiet. i try to catch some games during the season but i am just a poor college student in austin...i can only do so much :(

ChenZhen
03-10-2005, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by droxford
You totally missed it. If All Sura cared about was the money, he wouldn't be so crazy to get back on the court. He wouldn't be fighting the trainer to get back on the court while his back was injured.

What Sura is saying is that it's torture for him to sit courtside and watch us lose 4/5 while he doesn't play. Being at home wouldn't be as torturous: he wouldn't have the games/losses right there in his face while he was helpless.

-- droxford

Close your eyes and imagine Francis saying the exact same thing. Do you think the reaction will be quite different in here?

I've seen little meaningless quotes from Steve and people in here blow it out of proportion 1 too many times. I think that's all he's saying.

Lobo
03-10-2005, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by droxford
You totally missed it. If All Sura cared about was the money, he wouldn't be so crazy to get back on the court. He wouldn't be fighting the trainer to get back on the court while his back was injured.

What Sura is saying is that it's torture for him to sit courtside and watch us lose 4/5 while he doesn't play. Being at home wouldn't be as torturous: he wouldn't have the games/losses right there in his face while he was helpless.

-- droxford

Read FranchiseBlade's post again, and focus on the last paragraph....;)

droxford
03-10-2005, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by Lobo
Read FranchiseBlade's post again, and focus on the last paragraph....;)

Whew! Okay, sometimes context gets lost in a post. My apologies, FranchiseBlade. I thought you were seriously doggin' Sura after that article.

-- droxford

solid
03-10-2005, 10:31 AM
I love Bobby Sura. I love tough, smart, relentless, determined, focused, and inspiring. A hard combination to beat.

Ming's comments about "feeling pressure" is a real window into his temperament. He just doesn't have a "give me the ball" attitude. I wish he did, but he is who he is.

DeAleck
03-10-2005, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by LongTimeFan

"Having people against you lights a fire under most people," Rockets guard Jon Barry said. "It really does for Tracy (McGrady). I like to see him get upset. When he's upset, he's really something."


Well, looks like this kind of behavior goes for both Yao and TMac...

http://www.grossbrocki.ch/public/picturegallery/images/dbz176.jpg

The nice Rockets

http://www.saiyanultimate.com/gohan12.jpg

The pissed off Rockets

So, on Friday, I can't wait for Amare to dunk on Yao. I am expecting in the next possession, Yao will lift up Amare and jam his ass throw the hoop along with the ball.

As for TMac? Dare Marion to rough him up, Tmac will break his ankle 27 times in the next possession before taking down the board with the finish.

Easy
03-10-2005, 11:09 AM
I love Jon Barry. I bet the media love to interview him. He always has some funny perspectives on things. And, yes, on the court, he's a hustle guy who can hit the open shot.

rhester
03-10-2005, 11:18 AM
hope we don't get into a fight cause most of our team will leave the bench and take up for each other.- suspensions

I believe if someone took a swing at yao-
sura, barry, TMac would be all over it.... Yeah that's right TMac the guy can show alot of fire if he's pushed ...

the rest of the guys might be able to restrain but I think barry and sura would lose it taking up for Yao or anyone else.

Hippieloser
03-10-2005, 11:42 AM
I prospose that we form a Clutchfans lobby group to pressure the state legislature to start funding stem-cell research at NASA in order to ensure that we can build a better, stonger, faster, healthier Bob Sura over the offseason.

At the very least, we should map the portion of his genome that dictates aggression and use the knowledge to genetically modify Yao and T-Mac.

Instant dynasty.

regionalwall
03-10-2005, 12:12 PM
Yeah that's right TMac the guy can show alot of fire if he's pushed
Was T-Mac involved in any fights before?

DeAleck
03-10-2005, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by regionalwall
Was T-Mac involved in any fights before?

Yes, in the Olympic qualifier last year (against a South American team). It wasn't as much as a fight, but close.

m_cable
03-10-2005, 12:34 PM
T-Mac has gotten into little altercations with Bobby Jackson, and Eric Snow. He threw a ball at Jackson and shoved Snow in the face.

Nelly
03-10-2005, 12:48 PM
He also almost go in a fight with Kenyon Martin when Kmart fouled him hard

Texas Stoke
03-10-2005, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by ChenZhen
Close your eyes and imagine Francis saying the exact same thing. Do you think the reaction will be quite different in here?

I've seen little meaningless quotes from Steve and people in here blow it out of proportion 1 too many times. I think that's all he's saying.

Yeah the reaction would be different because some would say - wait a minute, now it hurts this guy that he has to sit and watch his teammates on the court and not be able to play when a few months before he chose not to be a part of the team by not getting on the airplane and head to phoenix with the rest of his 14 teammates just so he could attend the superbowl.

gucci888
03-10-2005, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by m_cable
T-Mac has gotten into little altercations with Bobby Jackson, and Eric Snow. He threw a ball at Jackson and shoved Snow in the face.

I use to have that vid on my computer. TMac threw the ball at BJax after a foul and they straight went after it. It was sweet.

The best is still Barkley vs. Shaq, best fight I've ever seen. Also, I liked when Chris Childs popped Kobe nicely on his face. :)

hotballa
03-10-2005, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by Hippieloser
we can build a better, stonger, faster, healthier Bob Sura over the offseason.

A long time ago, before AOL's recent ad campaign sullied this great line, hundreds of readers would have instantly guessed the Six-Million Dollar man. Sadly, now all our images are comprised of fat yellow dots with disturbing appendages, causing him to look like the offspring of PacMan and a normal human being.

GRENDEL
03-10-2005, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by gucci888
The best is still Barkley vs. Shaq, best fight I've ever seen. Also, I liked when Chris Childs popped Kobe nicely on his face. :)

Does anyone have either of those videos?

hooroo
03-10-2005, 04:15 PM
What a dumbass. A buildup of scar tissue only means he came back too early and worked too hard early on when he was supposed to be taking it slow.

DeAleck
03-10-2005, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by hooroo
What a dumbass. A buildup of scar tissue only means he came back too early and worked too hard early on when he was supposed to be taking it slow.


Whoa whoa... easy on the "dumbass" comment...

gucci888
03-10-2005, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by GRENDAL
Does anyone have either of those videos?

I remember the Barkley/Shaq video was bad, you couldn't really see anything from the angle they had.

But Sir Charles body slamming Shaq to the ground will never leave my mind. :)

hooroo
03-10-2005, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by DeAleck
Whoa whoa... easy on the "dumbass" comment...

I believe his former detroit teammates made a less flattering comment about his intelligence?

ucansee2020
03-10-2005, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by hooroo
What a dumbass. A buildup of scar tissue only means he came back too early and worked too hard early on when he was supposed to be taking it slow.

You're not serious, are you? A buildup of scar tissue has nothing to do with him working too hard. Anytime you have a incision and cut on your body you're bound to have some scar tissue and it may get inflammed and cause pain.

Texas Stoke
03-10-2005, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by hooroo
I believe his former detroit teammates made a less flattering comment about his intelligence?

That sure does mean a lot coming from the great minds of Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, and Chauncey Billups.

Mcgrady says Sura is different from the rest of the guys as far as personality goes and that he is a mean dog. That kind of attitude probably didn't mesh well with the other super egos of that team. So its more likely they just thought he was a dick.

and all you have to do is watch the guy play and listen to him speak to be the judge of this thing called intelligence and measure it however you measure it yourself.

hotballa
03-10-2005, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by Texas Stoke
That sure does mean a lot coming from the great minds of Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, and Chauncey Billups.

Well they did win a championship...and why only mention black players? Why not Darko? I apologize for the racial humop I am bringing into this thread, as has been said by countless others before, it's ALL Sura's fault :D

j/k, I love the guy, people need to stop treating him like he's the worst thing ever.

Texas Stoke
03-10-2005, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by hotballa
Well they did win a championship...and why only mention black players? Why not Darko? I apologize for the racial humop I am bringing into this thread, as has been said by countless others before, it's ALL Sura's fault :D

j/k, I love the guy, people need to stop treating him like he's the worst thing ever.

what are you saying?

Texas Stoke
03-10-2005, 05:17 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hotballa
[B]Well they did win a championship...and why only mention black players? Why not Darko?

When I think Detroit Pistons the first three players that come to mind are those three players. Is that a good enough answer to your stupid ass question?

hotballa
03-10-2005, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by Texas Stoke
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hotballa
[B]Well they did win a championship...and why only mention black players? Why not Darko?

When I think Detroit Pistons the first three players that come to mind are those three players. Is that a good enough answer to your stupid ass question?

I was just being stupid Texas, what's with the hostility? love and peace man, love and peace

Mr Boo
03-10-2005, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by hotballa
I was just being stupid Texas, what's with the hostility? love and peace man, love and peace

Hinting and implying that someone's statements is tinged with racism is beyond "just being stupid".

nappdog
03-10-2005, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by m_cable
T-Mac has gotten into little altercations with Bobby Jackson, and Eric Snow. He threw a ball at Jackson and shoved Snow in the face.
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/TLM111986/Avatars/tmacbobby.gif

:o

nappdog
03-10-2005, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by GRENDAL
Does anyone have either of those videos?


http://mywebpage.netscape.com/TLM111986/Avatars/kobepunked.gif


:o

edit: There should be gifs for both my last post. I refresh the pages and sometimes it doesn't show up.

Mr Boo
03-10-2005, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by nappdog

edit: There should be gifs for both my last post. I refresh the pages and sometimes it doesn't show up.

I see the gifs just fine...thx for the gifs nappdog...I love watching Kobe get smacked :D

hotballa
03-10-2005, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by Mr Boo
Hinting and implying that someone's statements is tinged with racism is beyond "just being stupid".

sheesh, you mention the word race and everyone's panties get tied up in a bunch

DeAleck
03-10-2005, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by hotballa
sheesh, you mention the word race and everyone's panties get tied up in a bunch

Great! If you don't like a certain thread, just talk "race" there and it will get locked in no time.

MrRolo
03-10-2005, 07:49 PM
T-mac VS Bobby Jackson video

http://s24.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=22MQVGGLEAZ4E2RYPGJZ7AK7RO

r-fan-since-81
03-10-2005, 08:23 PM
After watching the T-MAc vs BJ vid you will notice that the first teamate responder was, none other than, Jon Barry.

regionalwall
03-10-2005, 08:31 PM
Thanks for the video, guys. T-Mac lost the fight to Jackson?

Texas Stoke
03-10-2005, 09:42 PM
hotballa, It's cool bro. peace and hair grease.

TECH
03-11-2005, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by regionalwall
Was T-Mac involved in any fights before?


neva mind. :o