Vecsey: Rockets among teams interested in Michael Redd

[Clutch]

Is Peter Vecsey on crack? Seriously. What do the Rockets have to offer the Bucks for Redd? Anyhow, just passing it along:

http://www.nypost.com/sports/41154.htm

IT'S D-DAY FOR NBA DEALS

By PETER VECSEY

February 24, 2005 -- The plot clots: Today we find out who's all talk and who's serious about rehabbing their roster. When the NBA's trading deadline expires at 3 p.m. (ET) Michael Redd, Baron Davis, Shareef Abdur-Rahim and Donyell Marshall will know for sure how coveted they really are.

The above players are the most prominent names in on-going relocation discussions. Drawing the most attention is Redd, the Bucks' rising free agent. The Cavaliers, Grizzlies, Nuggets, Rockets and Blazers have all shown intense interest, but unless Denver decides to deal Nene even up, Portland appears to have made the most intriguing salary cap relief offer, reveals a Western Conference source:

Free agent-to-be Shareef and a first-rounder for Redd and Keith Van Horn, under contract for one more ($15.694 million) season.

The injury-prone, attitude- and weight-challenged Davis also has attracted all sorts of attention despite owning $63M in guarantees over the next four seasons. Toronto, Philadelphia and Atlanta have been linked as sincere suitors, but, according to a Warriors infiltrator, Golden State phoned in a late, thought-provoking bid of Mike Dunleavy and free agent-in-waiting Dale Davis.

Marshall's 3-point shooting/rebounding/free agent status makes him exceedingly desirable. There's no telling where he'll wind up (Philly, New Orleans, Chicago, Indiana, Miami, Portland, New York), but it's a foregone conclusion he's played his last game with the Raptors.

[DeAleck]

Yeah, my highschool club also has interests in Redd. I think he'll improve our shootings alot. But what do we have to offer? Vecsey needs to provide more info before putting up this crap!

[Deckard]

Clutch, I think that's groovy, but they better get us a ****ing point guard in any deal who is a legit backup or, and it would be too much to hope for, a freakin' starting quality one. Or both.

Strickland should be cut, and Barrett is a kid who does the best he can, but can't get it done. Ward is toast. Sura is a surgery waiting to happen, sadly, because he's been better than any of us could have expected.

I don't care about Redd, but get a POINT!! :mad:

[ctry2582]

PV is definitely smoking that la la la.

[m_cable]

Originally posted by Deckard
I don't care about Redd, but get a POINT!! :mad:

Dude, look at the big picture here. If you have a chance to add a deadly perimeter shooter that would immensely compliment your two superstars, you do it. Backup pg or no backup pg. Granted this is all dependent on being able to resign Redd, but hell I'd overpay to keep him.

A core of Yao+T-Mac+Redd is a dynasty waiting to happen. A decent backup PG is important for the next couple of months until we can go shopping in the offseason. But landing Redd would make us a bonafide championship contender every year into the next decade.

Of course I don't know how we'd be able to land him, but after that C-Webb deal, anything might be possible.

[Clutch]

It just doesn't sound right though. One would almost think Vecsey screwed this up .... like he meant to put Rockets under the list of teams interested in Donyell Marshall, a list he includes later in the story (but does not include the Rockets).

I agree it would be great to get Redd... but I can't see how we can even come remotely close to getting him. We also have Wesley and Barry at the two.

[Davidoff]

WOW, now that would be crazy IF it happened... What I dont get is why would we even try, he will be a FA at the end of the year and we cannot and will not pay him the money he will command...So why would we "rent" Redd unless we think he would put us over the top to win it all... I really dont think this has ANY chance of going down...

[Deckard]

Originally posted by m_cable
Dude, look at the big picture here. If you have a chance to add a deadly perimeter shooter that would immensely compliment your two superstars, you do it. Backup pg or no backup pg. Granted this is all dependent on being able to resign Redd, but hell I'd overpay to keep him.

A core of Yao+T-Mac+Redd is a dynasty waiting to happen. A decent backup PG is important for the next couple of months until we can go shopping in the offseason. But landing Redd would make us a bonafide championship contender every year into the next decade.

Of course I don't know how we'd be able to land him, but after that C-Webb deal, anything might be possible.
Dude, I got a perfect picture from the 24th row in SA, with my '94 t-shirt on, and Strickland was an embarrassment. That Van Gundy played him more than 5 minutes is inexplicable. Yes, Wesley got screwed by the refs, who were humping us left, right and center, but I would rather have seen Barry handle the ball. Barrett's trying, but he's a kid over his head. Argh. I'm not in a good humor.

Getting Redd would be cool, but our need is at the point. I want us to do well in the playoffs this year. This year. I don't expect a championship, but if Sura goes down for good, we are ****ed for the season. We need a point. I don't want to sell the farm but, I'll repeat it, we need a decent point! Get my point?

[m_cable]

Originally posted by Da-Glyde
WOW, now that would be crazy IF it happened... What I dont get is why would we even try, he will be a FA at the end of the year and we cannot and will not pay him the money he will command...So why would we "rent" Redd unless we think he would put us over the top to win it all... I really dont think this has ANY chance of going down...

We "can" pay him. We would have his Bird Rights. The question is "would we?" Like I said, I would absolutely overpay to keep him. He'd be the perfect 2-guard to put next to Yao and T-Mac. This guy is a solid .400 3pt% shooter. He can catch and shoot and he's got a lightning quick release. And it seems like the new CBA will have shorter contract lengths and a higher cap, so the old rules about having 3 big contract players might not apply anymore.

[hooroo]

ray allen was quoted in an article saying that he spoke to redd and redd told him he's looking at signing with whoever is going to pay him the most money rather than looking at where he can win a ring...

[DrNuegebauer]

Originally posted by m_cable
Dude, look at the big picture here. If you have a chance to add a deadly perimeter shooter that would immensely compliment your two superstars, you do it. Backup pg or no backup pg. Granted this is all dependent on being able to resign Redd, but hell I'd overpay to keep him.

A core of Yao+T-Mac+Redd is a dynasty waiting to happen. A decent backup PG is important for the next couple of months until we can go shopping in the offseason. But landing Redd would make us a bonafide championship contender every year into the next decade.

Dude, look at the big picture here.

We can't get the ball over half court with our current mob of point guards - let alone to Michael Redd standing round on the perimeter waiting to shoot!

A core of Yao+T-Mac+Redd is not going to do anything for us if they can't get their hands on the ball - and the next couple of months would probably be all we had because the guy is a free agent at the end of the season anyway (which is why the Bucks are trying to move him). So he wouldn't make us a contender every year into the next decade...

[thacabbage]

Dude, if you can get Michael Redd, who gives a rat's ass who's playing point guard. It's kind of like the T-Mac trade where the detractors screamed we wouldn't have a backup big man. The last two games proved to us how badly we need a point guard, but if you can add a young peice like Redd, you abandon all other operations. We'd also have his bird rights.

At first thought I would assume this is bogus but after seeing that Webber deal, anything is possible.

[Davidoff]

Originally posted by m_cable
We "can" pay him. We would have his Bird Rights. The question is "would we?" Like I said, I would absolutely overpay to keep him. He'd be the perfect 2-guard to put next to Yao and T-Mac. This guy is a solid .400 3pt% shooter. He can catch and shoot and he's got a lightning quick release. And it seems like the new CBA will have shorter contract lengths and a higher cap, so the old rules about having 3 big contract players might not apply anymore.

I didnt think we could with Yao gonna sign for a large contract this summer and IF we still have one of the Mo or Spoon contracts left??

[Sherlock]

I LOVE Redd. Been wishing we'd get him ever since he was available in the second round of the draft. This isn't about this season, its about the chance to build a championship team. We'll get the PF and PG later. If we have the slightest chance, we should trade anybody but Yao/TMac or anything to get him, and then whatever it takes to resign him.

He won't win us a championship this year, but he'd be a piece of what would in the future. I love Barry and Wesley for this year, but they aren't the long term solution that can grow with our two stars.

The other guys that are being discussed on the trading block that I'd love to get are Tyson Chandler, Flip Murray, and Baron Davis. I'd love any of those guys. And, if we could put together any kind of package for Chandler, I'd hope we find a way to get Chris Duhon in the deal. That's still my biggest hope is a Chandler/Duhon deal. We'd have our future championship team assembled in my opinion, whatever it took to get them.

[giddyup]

Why not let McGrady play the point-- he almost does anyway. Having Redd to knock down threes would be awesome, but I don't know if I see it happening.

[Man]

are y'all kidding?
REDD? OMG
Redd, Tmac, and Yao..All Stars man.
Barry and Wesley would thrive in the backcourt with a strong guy like Redd to help..he's YOUNG lol.
He can freakin shoot. He takes a lot of shots..but I'm pretty sure JVG would get him into our system.

What could we give them? Expiring contracts..TE...man omg that would be so awesome if we got him.

OMG and like another combo guard like DA or Antonio Daniels. And well power forward...we'll work on that later. Redd would be great.

If CD can get Redd, that will be amazing..and I think we would be able to contend.

[xiki]

Any time spent thinking about Wade is time wasted. The ONLY way Rox are Redd-ed is IF they are a third team in a larger deal.

[tariq]

With Baron Davis heading to the Warriors - can we get Speedy Claxton?

-Tariq

[Mav-Hater]

Did they make the Dunleavy and Davis for Davis Deal or is this assuming they pull the trigger?

[xiki]

Originally posted by Craigloria
Did they make the Dunleavy and Davis for Davis Deal or is this assuming they pull the trigger?

'hot' rumor

[saleem]

I'm sorry I don't know how to post a link but the Boston Herald is reporting that the Celtics want to move Jiri Welsch. He isn't a point but is a combo guard who can pass and wouldn't be expensive or old either.

[Mav-Hater]

i would like to see MoT go to Portland for DA on the coat-tails of the SAR exit and GP coming in for the TE. While we are trading head-aches on the one side, it does give us an outside option who can penetrate if T-Mac plays the point. To be honest, that is why the posibility of Redd exites me. Double Yao, leave TM, Redd, or DW alone for a three. Double Tracy, same problem only now the inside is open. The only person you would think of leaving alone would be Howard. It would present much the same problem opponents had defending Akeem's Rockets. Leave KS, VM, or RH and get bombed from outside. Leave OT alone, get bludgeoned inside. Agreeing with Clutch that Redd must be a PV mistake, Anderson would be a very poor man's Redd, and considering what we have to offer, poor is better than the 2 month old case of the flu. GP has more gas in the tank than our current set (excluding Sura) and would get Tracy off the ball plus i think you see an excited GP to be around a winner and have a shot again. The problem here comes up to the question of do you include the 1st Ainge wants with any exception/GP deal and straight up, i say no. if you could gaurantee it would be a bottom 8 pick, and we have shaken off the flu bug, i then lean toward yes.

[GATER]

Originally posted by saleem
I'm sorry I don't know how to post a link but the Boston Herald is reporting that the Celtics want to move Jiri Welsch. He isn't a point but is a combo guard who can pass and wouldn't be expensive or old either.

Clipboard the url and paste it into your post. That way your info is more accurate especially since what you're stating in your post appears to be very dated...


Boston Herald
Feb. 14, 2005

Considering Danny Ainge's track record and the fact he has more talent now to use as currency in the marketplace, it's more than likely the Celtics will make a deal or two by the NBA trade deadline 10 days from now.

The problem he may encounter is that some people with decent talent have been getting pushed to the side a bit. For example, will other teams think Jiri Welsch is worth less because Tony Allen has replaced him in the starting lineup?

"That's a tough part of the business, but you can't worry too much about that," Ainge said. "I just think I respect people in our business a little more than that."

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/story/8195416

[Mav-Hater]

Welsh is intriging? if Ainge wants a first for GP, what does he want for Welsch?

[foodworld]

I don't think the Bucks are willing to dump Redd for $.50 on the dollar, even if they dump KVH and his max contract to get the cap space a year early - and even if Redd specifically demanded a trade to Houston. But you never know.

Getting off topic here... as someone who has watched all of Jiri Welsch's games this season, I really don't think he has the skills to play point guard in the NBA. His dribbling is lousy, and while he moves well without the ball, when it's in his hands he usually makes poor decisions, i.e. driving to the hoop against four defenders, or settling for a three in transition. His defense is good for a euro, but he's not nearly quick enough to guard guys like Tony Parker and Dwayne Wade. He might thrive in Houston, but not as a point guard.

[basso]

Originally posted by Craigloria
Did they make the Dunleavy and Davis for Davis Deal or is this assuming they pull the trigger?

can't see why the hornets want dunleavy. they've already got Boki!

[Mav-Hater]

can't see why the hornets want dunleavy. they've already got Boki!

Maybe they saw the Laker series and want Boki to play the 4.

[ROXTXIA]

I don't see the possibility; we would have to offer 3 #1's just to be in "contention."

But it's a great dream:

1. Sura, Wesley
2. Redd, Barry
3. T-Mac, Bowen
4. Juwan, Padgett
5. Yao, Deke

[Relativist]

Well, heck. After the Webber trade, I could see anything happening.

[pariah]

In a related story:

Pariah is one of the men interested in Teri Hatcher.

[jmwilliamson]

I have no idea how the Rockets could possibly be in the running for Redd, but were it to happen I'd be beyond ecstatic. Our team would be insane. Sign a solid ball handling and decent shooting point guard in the off season and they might as well hand us the next 5 or so championship trophies in advance.

[superden]

there we go, dreamig away before the trade deadline, BUT i dont mind dreaming at all:D
bring on michael redd! (he's a lefty shooter LIKE ME!)

[NJRocket]

unfortunately, the stuff you hear about prior to the deadline never ends up happening

[MadMax]

Originally posted by NJRocket
unfortunately, the stuff you hear about prior to the deadline never ends up happening

DAMON STOUDAMIRE TO ROCKETS!!! -- ESPN :D

(also...NHL Deal is IMMINENT). :rolleyes:

[Deckard]

Originally posted by MadMax
DAMON STOUDAMIRE TO ROCKETS!!! -- ESPN :D
What??!? Details!

[MadMax]

Originally posted by Deckard
What??!? Details!

you don't remember that???

[NJRocket]

Originally posted by MadMax
you don't remember that???


Yeah...i can remember Aldridge reporting it like it was yesterday

[Deckard]

Originally posted by MadMax
you don't remember that???
Nuts. I had 2 hours of sleep last night. You got me. The "grin" didn't load before I responded. I will suffer for this. :(

[New Jack]

The only rumored trade that I've read about is Redd+Van Horn for Shareef. I would think the only reason they want Shareef is his expiring contract.

I think maybe the trade exception, Mutombo (and his expiring contract), Juwan Howard and 1 or 2 first round draft choices could be what the Rockets are offering. That gives the Bucks about 11 million in cap relief and a decent 4 in Howard. Doubt that's enough, but after seeing what the Kings got for Webber, who knows anymore.

They're not going to get fair value for Redd though. That's for sure. There's much too big a risk of him bolting this summer to sign with the Cavs for teams to trade anybody significant for him.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by NJRocket
Yeah...i can remember Aldridge reporting it like it was yesterday

typical ESPN.

how many times did A-Rod get traded to Boston, according to ESPN? :)

[NJRocket]

Originally posted by New Jack
The only rumored trade that I've read about is Redd+Van Horn for Shareef. I would think the only reason they want Shareef is his expiring contract.

I think maybe the trade exception, Mutombo (and his expiring contract), Juwan Howard and 1 or 2 first round draft choices could be what the Rockets are offering. That gives the Bucks about 11 million in cap relief and a decent 4 in Howard. Doubt that's enough, but after seeing what the Kings got for Webber, who knows anymore.

They're not going to get fair value for Redd though. That's for sure. There's much too big a risk of him bolting this summer to sign with the Cavs for teams to trade anybody significant for him.


id be shocked if we were offering Howard AND Mutombo plus picks for redd

[SamCassell]

Damon to the Rockets... like it was yesterday. Who was in that trade package again? I remember Elie and Willis, anyone else?

[NJRocket]

Originally posted by MadMax
typical ESPN.

how many times did A-Rod get traded to Boston, according to ESPN? :)

they got the RJ trade right after the 5th time

[EddieWasSnubbed]

Originally posted by jmwilliamson
I have no idea how the Rockets could possibly be in the running for Redd, but were it to happen I'd be beyond ecstatic. Our team would be insane. Sign a solid ball handling and decent shooting point guard in the off season and they might as well hand us the next 5 or so championship trophies in advance.

The Lakers thought they had a Championship wrapped up last year, when they had 4 HOFers..

[MadMax]

Originally posted by NJRocket
they got the RJ trade right after the 5th time

i was talking about this yesterday with some guys at lunch. the first ESPN "it's already happened" trade i remeber was Kemp for Pippen. i'm thinking that was like 1991 or so.

this NHL deal is imminent all day Saturday and their back-tracking from it was like watching a train wreck. pitiful.

[saleem]

Craigloria, you're a smart guy. Welsch got traded for a 1st round pick in 2007 to the Cavs. I saw it on ESPN TV.I wouldn't have given up a first round pick for him. I would have offered the TE and the 2nd round pick for him.

[dconover]

If we could send Taylor plus a pick to the BUCKS for Redd... we would have to jump all over that. He is just the type of player we need. Even if we lose him... we are able to unload MoT.

Regarding the point... Wesley can play point... he hasn't had to with the ROX so far... but he has played that role extensively with the Hornets in the past.

I have changed a bit on this... but I do think we have a window of opportunity to win this year.

[Mav-Hater]

I wouldn't have given up a first round pick for him.

i agree. i wouldn't either

[sabonis]

Mo for Mo.

I'd take Mo Williams + second rounder for Mo Taylor.

Stuart

[DeAleck]

Originally posted by sabonis
Mo for Mo.

I'd take Mo Williams + second rounder for Mo Taylor.

Stuart

No! and So?

Mo Williams is a 22 years old PG that has tons of upside, and Milwaukee is gonna give up him for MoT? They might break a rib or two just laughing at this...

[DeAleck]

BTW, we had our chance to get Mo Williams this summer, but we spent the same amount of money on Charlie Ward...

[Mav-Hater]

Welsh just went to the Cavs for a future 1st rounder. ESPN

[leroy]

Vescey was at least right about which team the Rockets would be dealing with. Just got the players wrong.

[Zboy]

Originally posted by leroy420
Vescey was at least right about which team the Rockets would be dealing with. Just got the players wrong.

He probably heard that Rockets and Bucks were talking. Once the word got to him without the name of the players involved, he probably started brainstorming thru the names. Since he couldnt come up with anything concrete, he decided to make up a trade rumor involving Redd. In case it did happen to be true, he would come out looking like a genius.

That scumbag! :D

[Fegwu]

Originally posted by Clutch
Is Peter Vecsey on crack? Seriously. What do the Rockets have to offer the Bucks for Redd? Anyhow, just passing it along:

http://www.nypost.com/sports/41154.htm


Maybe Peter Vecsey heard we were interested in a "Michael" or "Mike" that plays for Milwaukee so he quickly assumed the last name must be "Redd".

:p

We have a better chance of landing Scoony Pen, mr. Vecsey.