Vincent Young 2006

[Luckyazn]

Would you draft Vincent Young in 06' if he was still on the board?
Carr would be entering his 5th year already.

[Summer Song Giver]

To have this discussion I assume DC doesn't progress and in that case I would definately draft Vince, he is a special talent.

[Luckyazn]

http://www.draftshowcase.com/early2006.htm

Top 50 for 2006

1.Ahmad Brooks, ILB, Virginia
2.Reggie Bush, RB, USC*
3.Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
4.D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia
5.Jonathan Scott, OT, Texas
6.Gabriel Watson, DT, Michigan
7.Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota
8.Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas
9.Daryl Blackstock, OLB, Virginia
10.Eric Winston, OT, Miami
11.Darrell Hunter, CB, Miami-Ohio
12.Charlie Whitehurst, QB, Clemson
13.Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State*
14.AJ Hawk, ILB, Ohio State
15.Michael Huff, CB/FS, Texas
16.Darnell Bing, SS, USC
17.William Blackmon, CB, Boston College
18.Antonio Cromartie, CB, Florida State
19.Vince Young, QB, Texas
20.Marcus McNeil, OT, Auburn
21.Dominique Byrd, TE, USC
22.Daryn Colledge, OT, Boise State
23.Jason Avant, WR, Michigan
24.Mike DeGory, C, Florida
25.Alan Zemaitis, CB, Penn State
26.Omar Jacobs, QB, Bowling Green*
27.Loren Howard, DE, Northwestern
28.Bruce Gradkowski, QB, Toledo
29.Abdul Hodge, ILB, Iowa
30.Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State

They have Vincent Young at #19 .. so if we dont make the playoff next year. WOULD YOU??

[Deuce Rings]

Too early to tell. The guy is a freak runner, but his passing game is far, far from NFL ready and is really not even college ready. Most people think he will be a receiver in the NFL, not a QB.

[BSW]

with the moves he has I could see him more as a RB

[MadMax]

maybe as a WR. not as a QB.

[DanHiggsBeard]

no way he'll be a QB inthe NFL.

He's most likely to be a WR, and less less likely to be a saftey.

and dude, Vince is 6'5"...how many 6'5" running backs have you seen in the NFL? He'd get hurt pretty quicky.

[Baqui99]

He's not going to make it in the NFL as a QB, unless he seriously steps up his mid-range passing game.

[bigtexxx]

Vince will never be half the qb that Carr is right now. I'd guess that he would make a good receiver, but I have never seen him play there.

[ima_drummer2k]

To play QB in the NFL, you have to be able to rifle that 5 or 10 yard out right into the bread-basket. I haven't seen that from VY.

[Trader_Jorge]

The NFL game is much different than college. There are linebackers in the NFL that are faster than Vince Young.

[Luckyazn]

So ................................................


VINCENT YOUNG IS JUST A POOR MAN'S MICHAEL VICK :)

[Trader_Jorge]

Originally posted by Luckyazn
So ................................................


VINCENT YOUNG IS JUST A POOR MAN'S MICHAEL VICK :)

I think a better comparison would be Hines Ward or Randal-El.

Vick has a cannon for an arm.

[DanHiggsBeard]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
The NFL game is much different than college. There are linebackers in the NFL that are faster than Vince Young.

He's deceptively fast. He doesn't look like a burner because he runs so effortlessly with those long strides...kind of like he's gliding.

Let's just say there isn't a linebacker alive that is going to catch him in the open field.

He'll definitely be in the NFL as a receiver or safety...just not at QB.

And to answer the initial post, I think he's probably a end of the 1st day guy...end of third round maybe. He may possibly slip to the 4th round. ...but honestly, he's just such a freak that I wouldn't be surprised if a good team that didn't need him to contribute right away took a chance in the 2nd.

[rrj_gamz]

Vince is special, but has to make strides as a QB...Having said that, you'd want that athlete on your team...

The better question is Reggie M...he's good, but is he good enough to succeed at the next level...

[Lil Francis]

Originally posted by MadMax
maybe as a WR. not as a QB. Thats the same thing I was going to say. All those tackles he breaks in college won't happen in the NFL. If he is still on the board and does not mind play wideout then I would love the Texans to take him.

[SamCassell]

I'm just hoping that his lack of a pro-quality arm means that Vince will stick around in Austin through his senior season. I'd love to get a few more years from him in burnt orange, and he'd benefit from more time to develop as a passer.

[bottlerocket]

A Jamal Lord at best.

[IC2000]

He's not going to make it in the NFL as a QB, unless he seriously steps up his mid-range passing game.

Should we pick him first then? We are fools if not?

[Raven Lunatic]

Should we pick him first then? We are fools if not?

I think anyone that watched VY play this past season would definitely agree that he seriously improved his entire passing game, not just the middle. So Baqui's statement is perfectly valid. Why dredge up year old threads?

[IC2000]

I think anyone that watched VY play this past season would definitely agree that he seriously improved his entire passing game, not just the middle. So Baqui's statement is perfectly valid. Why dredge up year old threads?

Because of all the so called expert opinions on Young, that just changed so quickly

[Groogrux]

Because of all the so called expert opinions on Young, that just changed so quickly

A year is quickly? :rolleyes: Seriously, you need to do something about all the hate that you've got built up. Quit being a hater, hater.

[IC2000]

A year is quickly? :rolleyes: Seriously, you need to do something about all the hate that you've got built up. Quit being a hater, hater.

Don't make me pull up the Mack brown can't coach threads and the fire Greg Davis threads

[gucci888]

IC2000- Why did you bumb a thread that is a year old? There are 3 perfectly good thread on this subject.

[IC2000]

IC2000- Why did you bumb a thread that is a year old? There are 3 perfectly good thread on this subject.

Because of the Young Supporters saying he can't play QB in the NFL but now he should be the first pick. My favorite is mad max saying he wants him as a WR.

[Bobblehead]

Because of the Young Supporters saying he can't play QB in the NFL but now he should be the first pick. My favorite is mad max saying he wants him as a WR.

Ever heard of progression????
VY is leap and bounds better at his position than he was a year ago and his upside is tremendous!!!

[Groogrux]

Because of the Young Supporters saying he can't play QB in the NFL but now he should be the first pick. My favorite is mad max saying he wants him as a WR.

Again, what's so hard to understand about it being over a year ago that these things were being said. Are you being purposely obtuse?

[KAS13]

So since we need a #2 WR is that why a lot of you guys want to pick him over Bush?

[swilkins]

IC,

Why didn't you just add this thread reference into the existing debate?

[IC2000]

Again, what's so hard to understand about it being over a year ago that these things were being said. Are you being purposely obtuse?
I just love how these people who watched him play all the time were throwing him under the bus but now he is a savior. They will change their opinion back in a year or too. Then it will be regression

[IC2000]

IC,

Why didn't you just add this thread reference into the existing debate?

thats a good idea, not sure how to effectively do it

[swilkins]

Like this.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=89519

[SamFisher]

I just love how these people who watched him play all the time were throwing him under the bus but now he is a savior. They will change their opinion back in a year or too. Then it will be regression

Who?

You must be thinking of the rise, fall & rise of Reggie McNeal.

It's unquestioned that Young improved from year to year and almost from game to game has he progressed at Texas, and that he unquestionably reached his peak in the Rose Bowl, his final game.

He made people such as yourself who sounded the "he can't pass" routine over and over look rather short-sighted. But anyway - of COURSE he changed peoples minds. Guys who show progress always do.

[IC2000]

Who?

You must be thinking of the rise, fall & rise of Reggie McNeal.

It's unquestioned that Young improved from year to year and almost from game to game has he progressed at Texas, and that he unquestionably reached his peak in the Rose Bowl, his final game.

He made people such as yourself who sounded the "he can't pass" routine over and over look rather short-sighted. But anyway - of COURSE he changed peoples minds. Guys who show progress always do.

Anyone who knows anything about football and watched the games would not throw mcneal under the bus. He played good and the coaches tried to make him into an option/ spread QB when he is a good pocket passer/scrambler.

[Preston27]

IC, I guess the Rams should have cut Kurt Warner after the Rams won the Super Bowl, as obviously a player cannot change dramatically in a year.

I'm in the Bush camp, but you are are just going too far with your anti-Vince stuff.

[Baqui99]

Vince's career progression:

Stat Overview Passing
YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2003 84 143 1155 58.7 8.08 67 6 7 10 130.64
2004 148 250 1849 59.2 7.40 49 12 11 9 128.37
2005 212 325 3036 65.2 9.34 75 26 10 13 163.95

I'd say he's improved in leaps and bounds in all aspects of the passing game.

[gucci888]

Because of the Young Supporters saying he can't play QB in the NFL but now he should be the first pick. My favorite is mad max saying he wants him as a WR.

I guess it shows how far VY has come along in 1 season.

[SWTsig]

I just love how these people who watched him play all the time were throwing him under the bus but now he is a savior. They will change their opinion back in a year or too. Then it will be regression

you do realize that players of his caliber in college are supposed to improve every year, right? just because reggie didn't doesn't mean no else can.

[IC2000]

just because reggie didn't doesn't mean no else can.
this is ignorant

[IC2000]

I guess it shows how far VY has come along in 1 season.

That was basically my point. He had a great year and is a great prospect. But , lets not call him a sure thing just yet or forget the fact that even his biggest supporters now (not to mention those that have seen him play the most) did not think he was NFL material. I bumped this thread up too have a little fun with the Bush haters. The same as i will when Bush shuts them up in the NFL, "bush can't run between the tackles" "eric metcalf".

[SWTsig]

this is ignorant

oh, the irony of this statement.....

[gucci888]

That was basically my point. He had a great year and is a great prospect. But , lets not call him a sure thing just yet or forget the fact that even his biggest supporters now (not to mention those that have seen him play the most) did not think he was NFL material. I bumped this thread up too have a little fun with the Bush haters. The same as i will when Bush shuts them up in the NFL, "bush can't run between the tackles" "eric metcalf".

VY has changed people's mind, he has changed a lot of the hater's minds, what's the problem with that? There has been doubts about VY ever since he put on a jersey, he's done EVERYTHING possible to shut them up, but I think we can all agree that there will always be doubters, but who cares?

Don't you think it's kinda funny that you bumped this thread up because you wanted to show people that they had doubts about VY, yet all it shows is how much VY has improved in his time at UT.

Look at Baqui's post above, I don't think VY could have possibly done anymore in 3 year's to shut the doubters up. Now we're suppose to listen to you because you predict there will be a regression? What a joke.

[Major]

I bumped this thread up too have a little fun with the Bush haters. The same as i will when Bush shuts them up in the NFL, "bush can't run between the tackles" "eric metcalf".

Odd, coming from a guy who was constantly talking about how Vince is terrible a little over a month ago.

[MadMax]

Ic -- honestly, you have zero credibilty on this. there are people who changed their opinon on VY as he improved. that's clear. your clearly are so biased as to be completely subjective at this point. welcome to hatah-ville.

[IC2000]

Ic -- honestly, you have zero credibilty on this. there are people who changed their opinon on VY as he improved. that's clear. your clearly are so biased as to be completely subjective at this point. welcome to hatah-ville.

Who cares about my credibility, this guy needs to be a WR right?

[MadMax]

Who cares about my credibility, this guy needs to be a WR right?

exactly. :rolleyes:

[gr8-1]

Should we pick him first then? We are fools if not?

His mid range game looked fine this year.

Actually, look at guys like Carson Palmer and David Carr. They went from almost second day picks to first overall.

[IC2000]

His mid range game looked fine this year.

But, what if we see the WR version again? You know the one Mad Max and Baqui saw. The guy had no NFL potential a year ago, do we want to pick him first now?

[IC2000]

His mid range game looked fine this year.

Actually, look at guys like Carson Palmer and David Carr. They went from almost second day picks to first overall.

What about Alex Smith?

[MadMax]

But, what if we see the WR version again? You know the one Mad Max and Baqui saw. The guy had no NFL potential a year ago, do we want to pick him first now?

wow...just wow. if you're unable to change your mind based on new evidence then you're smarter than i think you are. impressive. what in the world else do you need to see from VY? another national championship? another dominating performance??

[Bassfly]

jeeez ic2k. if aggy does well this year anyone can pull up your little quotes about how you want franchione fired. you wouldnt give a sh*t cause you'd just be happy your team is doing well.


chill

[gr8-1]

But, what if we see the WR version again? You know the one Mad Max and Baqui saw. The guy had no NFL potential a year ago, do we want to pick him first now?


Why would we see that? I think he gets better coaching in the nfl.


Hell, I'm a huge UT homer, but during the Missouri game two years ago, even I began to wonder what happened to him.

We're just not as blinded by loyalty as you, bigtexx and kas13 are blinded by hatred.

You, especially, seem to have a problem with the guy and I suspect it's because you love A$M and Reggie McNeal. It must eat you up seeing Young get this much hype while Reggie is an afterthought working out with Al Connell

[gr8-1]

What about Alex Smith?


He apparently ran an offense that Reggie was incapable of running in college, despite the fact that Reggie plays with better talent.

I thought Smith was a reach last year anyway, but two things I keep in mind is 1) he plays for San Fran and 2) he's still only 22.

That being said, I don't think he's blessed with the same tools as a David Carr or Carson Palmer. Smith happened to be in the right draft.

You finding this thread shows that you are obsessed with Vince for whatever reason. You're worse than us Horns.

[gucci888]

But, what if we see the WR version again? You know the one Mad Max and Baqui saw. The guy had no NFL potential a year ago, do we want to pick him first now?

What if we see the WR version again? What kind of question is that? As the other guys have probably already covered, VY will get much better coaching in the NFL, I've never heard of a guy actually regressing.

If that is the only argument you guys have left, that's stretching it. Pulling up a thread a year old trying to prove a point that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Some were saying he wouldn't make it as a QB in the NFL, now one year to the date everyone is saying he is a guaranteed Top 3 pick and will play QB next season.

I just don't see what VY could do more to dispell the doubters, this is a perfect example of people that just don't like the guy and no matter what he does, they will doubt.

[peleincubus]

i think its pretty funny to read that he should be a WR. i dont watch the nfl that much but i will be curious more so i can see how VY & bush do at the next level. and matt L. for that matter. for me those 3 guys will always be connected in a way.

[VesceySux]

IC2k, Stop with the thread necromancy. You've done this multiple times now. If you do it again, I'll gladly use the handy "Report post to moderator" button, and I'll campaign to get others to do the same. If you want to quote an old post, add a link to the thread and/or do a little copy and paste action. It's really not that hard.

[A-Train]

That's it...anybody that drags up a thread that's over six months old gets automatic suspension...I am NOT joking...

[IC2000]

What if we see the WR version again? What kind of question is that? As the other guys have probably already covered, VY will get much better coaching in the NFL, I've never heard of a guy actually regressing.

If that is the only argument you guys have left, that's stretching it. Pulling up a thread a year old trying to prove a point that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Some were saying he wouldn't make it as a QB in the NFL, now one year to the date everyone is saying he is a guaranteed Top 3 pick and will play QB next season.

I just don't see what VY could do more to dispell the doubters, this is a perfect example of people that just don't like the guy and no matter what he does, they will doubt.

I don't really believe he should be a WR. I just find it hilarious that some of his biggest advocates now were some of his biggest haters then. Just like Mack Brown. If anything it could be a classic moment in the making. And it also goes to show you for as much as everyone thinks they know how things will turn out they really have no idea.

[gr8-1]

I just don't see what VY could do more to dispell the doubters, this is a perfect example of people that just don't like the guy and no matter what he does, they will doubt.

Yep. At least bigtexx openly admits he doesn't like Vince and anything UT. As for the others............

[IC2000]

Yep. At least bigtexx openly admits he doesn't like Vince and anything UT. As for the others............

I openly admit I do not like Vince or his talents. UT I don't have more of a problem with than any other school