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giddyup
01-09-2005, 11:31 PM
In the last decade or so, the Packers have had these guys on their roster. All have gone on to become perrenial starting QBs in the NFL. What explains that... Ron Wolf?

Brett Favre (why does he throw so many intercepts in big games?)
Mark Brunell
Kurt Warner
Matt Hasselbeck
Aaron Brooks

Am I missing any?

m_cable
01-10-2005, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by giddyup
Brett Favre (why does he throw so many intercepts in big games?)

Because he tries to force passes that his arm and body can't make anymore.

rockbox
01-10-2005, 12:10 AM
maybe they learn something from watching one of the best players to ever play the game.

bobmarley
01-10-2005, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by giddyup
Brett Favre

I understand what you are saying but Favre was from Atlanta

But yes GB is excellent at scouting QBs

meggoleggo
01-10-2005, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by bobmarley
I understand what you are saying but Favre was from Atlanta

But yes GB is excellent at scouting QBs

But (obviously) Favre is on the GB lineup, which is the connection being discussed here... Regardless where any of these QB's are originally from, it's the GB connection.

That's a very interesting point... It's never been brought up in any conversations about football I've ever had... Well, you learn something new every day!

bobmarley
01-10-2005, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by meggoleggo
which is the connection being discussed here...

I said I understood the connection.

giddyup
01-10-2005, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by m_cable
Because he tries to force passes that his arm and body can't make anymore.
Man Sherman was all over that. His primary comment after the loss was how un-intelligent they had played in losing. I didn't see much of the game but he had to be referencing Favre's decision-making primarily.

Seems like Favre has done this in the playoffs before.

Calling RM95, local Packer expert.

rrj_gamz
01-10-2005, 11:16 AM
I love Favre, but they need to draft a QB for the future...He can still play, but you have to have a back up plan...right?

gwayneco
01-10-2005, 01:19 PM
What about Arnie Herber?

Manny Ramirez
01-10-2005, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by gwayneco
What about Arnie Herber?

Cecil Isbell was better than Arnie, at least I thought so.

dwil8686
01-10-2005, 01:27 PM
Tim cOuch

Smokey
01-10-2005, 01:40 PM
Majikowski

Baqui99
01-10-2005, 02:02 PM
Favre has had some serious Simmsesque meldowns in big playoff games the last few years.

Manny Ramirez
01-10-2005, 03:36 PM
Scott Hunter or Lynn Dickey??

Who would you pick or do you even care?:D

VesceySux
01-10-2005, 04:02 PM
Backup quarterback behind Brett Favre = best job ever

SwoLy-D
01-10-2005, 04:59 PM
Man, that game against the Raiders, after his old man passed (R.I.P.), MOST of the passes could have been INTs or dropped, but he's got BAD-ASS receivers in Driver and Franks and that other dude whose name I don't know.

Did you see that game? I had the fortune of seeing it completely, and I swear, ordinary receivers would have dropped those... I may even say that the Marvin Harrisons or Brandon Stockley or even Andre Johnsons of the league would have dropped them... anyone disagree?

gwayneco
01-10-2005, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Manny Ramirez
Scott Hunter or Lynn Dickey??

Who would you pick or do you even care?:D

Lynn Dickey! Wasn't he from Houston?

gwayneco
01-10-2005, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by Manny Ramirez
Cecil Isbell was better than Arnie, at least I thought so.

:confused: Nah, Arnie's the one in the Hall of Fame.
http://www.profootballhof.com/assets/hof/mug1243.jpg
see: http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=95

Although the National Football League didnít keep official statistics until 1932, Arnie Herberís third season, there is ample evidence to support the popular contention that Herber was the leagueís premier passer. That year, the Green Bay Packer quarterback won the league passing title, something he would do again in 1934 and 1936.

Arnie threw a touchdown pass to give the Packers a 7-0 victory in the first game of his rookie 1930 season. The Packers won NFL titles in both 1930 and 1931 and remained in a perpetual contending position throughout Herber's 11-year tenure. His passes were always a dominating factor but he could also run, catch passes, and punt with the very best.

The arrival of end Don Hutson in 1935 gave pro football its first lethal quarterback-receiver tandem. In Hutsonís second game in the NFL, against the Chicago Bears, he teamed with Herber for an 83-yard touchdown reception. In 1935, the Herber-to-Hutson duo connected 18 times for 420 yards and seven touchdowns. Although an injury in 1937 reduced his effectiveness some, the Herber-to-Hutson mystic continued until Herber retired in 1940.

With many players serving in the military during World War II, the New York Giants brought Herber out of retirement for two more years in 1944 and 1945. He then retired for good with the reputation of being pro footballís great long-distance passer.

Herber was a basketball and football star at Green Bay's West High School who sold game programs as a teenager so that he could see the Packers play. He eventually migrated to tiny Regis College in Denver, but he soon was back in Green Bay, where he worked as a handyman in the Packersí clubhouse when coach Curly Lambeau decided to give the inexperienced player a tryout. For $75 a game, the Packers inherited the first pro quarterback who consistently used the forward pass with game-winning effectiveness.

giddyup
01-10-2005, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by gwayneco
Lynn Dickey! Wasn't he from Houston?
From the Oilers via Kansas State, Round Three pick in 1971 or 1972.

Manny Ramirez
01-10-2005, 07:59 PM
gwayneco,

I was really just messing around with you, but there really existed a guy named Cecil Isbell and he was a QB for the Packers. He might have been Herber's successor. He did lead the league in passing at least once maybe twice in the 1940's.

gwayneco
01-11-2005, 04:14 AM
Originally posted by Manny Ramirez
gwayneco,

I was really just messing around with you, but there really existed a guy named Cecil Isbell and he was a QB for the Packers. He might have been Herber's successor. He did lead the league in passing at least once maybe twice in the 1940's.

Yeah, I know. I was just goofin' around, I have a table top football game with the 1939 season when both played for GB. Those Packer teams also had HOFers WR Don Hutson, RB Clarke Hinkle, and legendary coach Curly Lambeau.

Both Isbell anf Herber played for Green Bay frOm 1938-40. Isbell was coming into the league just as Herber's career was on the downside. Of course, passing was a lot more difficult back in those days with low completion percentages and low TD to INT ratios. And the players had to play both offense and defense too.

It looks like Isbell led the NFL in passing yardage in 41 and 42. His best year was 1942, and that was also his last year. I wonder if WWII might have ahd something to do with that.

giddyup
01-11-2005, 10:16 AM
Did Cecil Isbell go to Baylor?