Pupura has gotten off to a terrible start

[G.O.A.T.]

Was it just me or did Timmy P come off like an incompitant rookie GM that is in over his head. We ran out of time, we just ran out of time, well we just ran out of time. So did the dog eat his homework too. How the heck do you run out of time. Yeah he had an early deadline, but he has known about it for quite a while. I would have felt a lot better if he said they wanted more money than we could offer. This could be a sign of very bad things to come.:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Aceshigh7]

Purpura doesn't seem to have done that good a job, but you have to remember Hunsicker basically bailed on us.

[edc]

It was Boras' game. They "ran out of time" because Boras refused to negotiate.

[Austin70]

He better done some good things this off season or he will be know for awhile as Boras' little bitch.

[bobmarley]

Hun didn't bail. He couldn't take working for Drayton.

Purpura wasn't the problem with the Beltran situation because Drayton handled it.

Thats mainly the reason hated working for Drayton. He is the Jerry Jones of the MLB.

[grekel]

I really don't think that much blame can be directed towards Purpura on this. This was more Drayton's deal and he did seem to try damn hard here. The problem is that the deck was loaded from the start. The Astros had no control of the situation except for the ability to keep raising Beltran's value. I don't think there was ever much intent on signing with the Astros. They were just used, as we all continue to allow ourselves to be, by another supposedly honest athlete and his agent. Sure Beltran never promised to come back but he did say that money wasn't the most important thing. If that is truly the case then why hire a foul turd like Boras as your agent. This whole process has enabled an entire franchise to be held in limbo for months and will now probably set it back a good 4 or 5 years minimum. Beltran took us to the brink of greatness but has now shunned all those that put him on such a high pedestal and treated him like a king. All for the mighty dollar once again. I hope he enjoys the real NY when he goes into his first slump.

[ima_drummer2k]

:rolleyes:

This had nothing to do with Pupura or the Astros, it had everything to do with Beltrash and Bore Us. If you think we didn't do everything humanly possible to sign him, you obviously just started following this story today and you're just being reactionary.

[bottlerocket]

Originally posted by Aceshigh7
Purpura doesn't seem to have done that good a job, but you have to remember Hunsicker basically bailed on us.

I think McLande over ruling his decision to bring back Biggio instead of Kent was the last straw w/ Hunsicker. I really don't blame hime. I agree the timing was off. His last assignment should have been to resign the greety bastard Beltran.

[robbie380]

if yall think losing beltran was bad....

losing wade miller for how cheaply we let him go is gonna be a horrible move too. beltran was never a sure thing and i don't think there is anything the astros could have done to keep him outside of giving him a-rod money. but losing wade miller for the money we were going to pay him was just flat out stupid. if we still had miller this team would still have a solid chance even without beltran. but now we are just screwed.

[Miguel]

Miller would have been paid a minimum of 4 million I believe due to arbitration.

Red Sox lucked out cause they don't call under those rules since he's not a returning player being signed.

[Trader_Jorge]

How can you fault Purpura when Drayton McLane's penny-pinching miserly ways are handcuffing him? Seriously.


**** YOU DRAYTON. SELL THE TEAM.

[Dream Sequence]

This is not McLane's fault if he offered 7/105 which honestly is more than Beltran should get....it hurts like hell tongiht, but in 3 months,, I'lll be able to rationally say that 7/105 is too much and glad we los tout...

[gunn]

Originally posted by G.O.A.T.
Was it just me or did Timmy P come off like an incompitant rookie GM that is in over his head.

It was you.

[Texas Stoke]

Hey as long as he re-ups Backe he's the man.

Now if Backe is not a houston astro next year he is a pudgy sonabitch

[mikeod79]

Beltran, no matter where he signs is being over paid, until he has a season like what A-rod / B. forheadmuscle ( Bonds ) / S. Sosa have ever had he should be making far less than the 7/105 the stros threw at him. I dont blame the Astros one bit for not offering more. A five tool player is very rare, he is a great out fielder, an even better base runner, a good if not decent avg. hitter and a good HR hitter. The worst part about this whole ordeal is him not telling the stros from the getgo that he is all about $.

Now the Astros are stuck with an overaged J. Bagwell as their #3 hitter with nothing else to get on base ahead him....IF he gets on base.

Here's to hoping we finish ahead of the Pirates and Brewers this year.

And to heck with Beltran.....

[isoman2kx]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
How can you fault Purpura when Drayton McLane's penny-pinching miserly ways are handcuffing him? Seriously.


**** YOU DRAYTON. SELL THE TEAM.

lol trader jorge with his usual sage advice.

[NIKEstrad]

I wonder if we go back to looking into Soriano. With the Rangers needing to trim some payroll if they want Delgado, and us having a little wiggle room, it could make some sense. Soriano's not Beltran, but he's a young 30/30 guy, maybe 40/40 even; those don't grow on trees.

[countingcrow]

Originally posted by NIKEstrad
I wonder if we go back to looking into Soriano. With the Rangers needing to trim some payroll if they want Delgado, and us having a little wiggle room, it could make some sense. Soriano's not Beltran, but he's a young 30/30 guy, maybe 40/40 even; those don't grow on trees.

Great Idea! I think he'd be a monster with the short porch in right field.

[HillBoy]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
How can you fault Purpura when Drayton McLane's penny-pinching miserly ways are handcuffing him? Seriously.


**** YOU DRAYTON. SELL THE TEAM.
So folks like you would rather have a dumbass owner like Tom Hicks who'll pay more for ONE player that he did for the entire franchise only to end up looking like a grade A fool when he has to pay $67 MILLION to the Yankees to take said player off his hands? And on what planet is 7 years $105 MILLION considered penny-pinching?

McLane's offer to this guy was a great offer. It was Boras who I feel never really wanted Beltran in Houston but needed the Astros in the hunt to bid up Beltran's price. Mark my words, they will come to rue the day they went to the Mets who only wanted Beltran for PR against the evil Yankees. All Astros fans need to salute Drayton for making the effort because it shows that he is truly committed to doing what it takes to win which BTW is more than can be said for Les Alexander and his bottom feeding Houston Rockets.

[Uprising]

Don't we still need a starting pitcher? .....and some freakin RBIs!

Soriano time.....delgado? Man.....we got royally screwed.

[MykTek]

all i can say is Hunisicker set him up for failure.... he knew it was gonna be a tuff offseason and he left it for Tim....

[Mr. Clutch]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
How can you fault Purpura when Drayton McLane's penny-pinching miserly ways are handcuffing him? Seriously.


**** YOU DRAYTON. SELL THE TEAM.

Drayton is just making his own economic decisions, just like Beltran did, just like any of us would. The offer was more than fair. Why do you fault Drayton for looking out for his finances, but you defend Beltran for it?

[dskillz]

How can anyone blame Purpura? Everything was put on hold in order to sign Beltran. Until Drayton finished his Beltran project, there wasn't anything Purpura could do. He couldn't get any other free agents signed until he knew exactly how much money he was playing with.

The Chronicle also said Purpura is starting off on the wrong foot. I have no idea why he is getting blamed for anything that has happened. Letting go of Kent and the Beltran negotiations were all Drayton. So now Tim can finally get down to work.

[robbie380]

Originally posted by dskillz
How can anyone blame Purpura?

well if it comes down to that beltran wouldn't sign over a no trade clause then i think it's pretty easy to place blame on purpura.

[codell]

Originally posted by robbie380
well if it comes down to that beltran wouldn't sign over a no trade clause then i think it's pretty easy to place blame on purpura.

How is that, when the "no trade" decision wasn't made by Purpura, but by McLain?

[coma]

Originally posted by MykTek
all i can say is Hunisicker set him up for failure.... he knew it was gonna be a tuff offseason and he left it for Tim....

:rolleyes:

[rrj_gamz]

What's Gerry doing now?

Anyway, Pupura was set up for failure as i don't see Roger coming back as well...

However, with Drayton handling the negotiations, its his fault as well...

[robbie380]

Originally posted by codell
How is that, when the "no trade" decision wasn't made by Purpura, but by McLain?

if it was made by mclain then the whole situation becomes even more ridiculous because isn't mclain looking to sell the stros? having beltran would increase his teams value, right?....i dunno i dont get it

[NJRocket]

no trade clauses are waived all of the friggin time....God help us if this is why this deal fell apart.

the clauses help mediocre players asure themselves that they wont have to uproot their families at a moment's notice....players of beltran's calibur waive them all of the time