Texans Offseason thread

[Castor27]

Post Texans offseason stuff in here.

[Fegwu]

Patience and prudence.

Go Texans!!!

[bobmarley]

I am giving Vic and Palmer one more year of my unadultered support. But if we don't make the playoffs this next year then we need to replace Vic. I wouldn't fire Palmer just yet. I dont want to pull the only system that Carr knows from under him and expect him to keep growing as our QB.

I think Carr is a franchise type QB but has had to wait for this team to grow. He would have done what Roethlisberger has done if he would have been drafted into an established system. And asked to be in a supporting role and pick his spots.

Carr has felt like he needs to make everything happen. I do like how Palmer and Cappers have tried to lighten the load on him by establishing a running game. Even though it has been ugly at times.

[Fegwu]

Originally posted by bobmarley
I am giving Vic and Palmer one more year of my unadultered support. But if we don't make the playoffs this next year then we need to replace Vic. I wouldn't fire Palmer just yet. I dont want to pull the only system that Carr knows from under him and expect him to keep growing as our QB.



IMHO, I do not see why we cannot challenge The Colts for the division title next season. Here is hoping they cannot keep EJ but I doubt it - they will franchise tag him. But we can still usurp the division regardless of what the Colts do in the offseason. Our defense just has to be more consistent. We are already ahead of the Titans for what it is worth.

I see us making the playoffs next season if we can just improve albeit marginal on the OL and general defense. Heck we just finished 7-9 and a break here or there we could have sneaked in ahead of the Broncos.

[bobmarley]

I was really suprised this year how close we actually got to the playoffs. Its nice to play meaningful games in December.

[leroy420]

Originally posted by bobmarley
I am giving Vic and Palmer one more year of my unadultered support. But if we don't make the playoffs this next year then we need to replace Vic. I wouldn't fire Palmer just yet. I dont want to pull the only system that Carr knows from under him and expect him to keep growing as our QB.

I think Carr is a franchise type QB but has had to wait for this team to grow. He would have done what Roethlisberger has done if he would have been drafted into an established system. And asked to be in a supporting role and pick his spots.

Carr has felt like he needs to make everything happen. I do like how Palmer and Cappers have tried to lighten the load on him by establishing a running game. Even though it has been ugly at times.

I see it another way. I see Palmer not trusting his offense. I see him treating Carr with kid gloves in his 3rd year when the offense should have been opened up. I see him not paying much attention to pass blocking and worrying too much about the zone blocking for the running game. They didn't have zone blocking last year and DD broke 1,000 yds in 10 games and they gave up much fewer sacks than this year. How is it that Andre Johnson broke 1,000 yds by game 11 and then didn't break 1,200 yds? In the Cleveland game, what did they have to lose by throwing the ball down the field? Playoffs were out of the question. They were playing a 3-12 team who had lost 9 in a row. If you come out firing and score early, they get down and it becomes a blowout. Nope, Palmer simply has them running and throwing WR screens. If I see a fake end around one more time I will get sick.

For now, I am ok with Fanagio. The defense really improved after the 1st quarter of the Indy game. No td's for 13 quarters was the best in the NFL this season. They will get better with some minor changes. I look for Babin to be much improved next season and for Dunta to get the title of "shut down corner." The DL needs improvement either through free agency or the draft. It's probably time to let Seth Payne go. I still think he is a good player but he has had some significant injuries that last 2 years and ain't exactly young any more. He's going to have to take a serious pay cut and understand that he isn't guaranteed a starting spot to come back.

That said, I am already looking foward to next season. Either the Texans will be in the playoffs or we will be discussing possible new coaches this time next year. Hopefully, we will be talking about Pro Bowlers David Carr, Andre Johnson, Domanick Davis, and Dunta Robinson.

[SwoLy-D]

Saturday & Sunday games:

Rams @ Seahawks -4 o/u 52
Jets @ Chargers -7 o/u 44.5
Broncos @ Colts -10 o/u 56
Vikings @ Packers -6.5 o/u 49
=====================

WEIRD FACT:
The Texans lost 7 games to all of these 8 teams. The only other losses were to Cleveland and Detroit (not playoff teams)
:)

I am HAPPY for our 7-9 record... ;)

GO TEXANS!

[Chilly_Pete]

Reading this disgusted me.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/2981659

By JOHN McCLAIN
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle


The fan who poured beer on Melody Carr and other members of quarterback David Carr's family at Reliant Stadium on Sunday is guilty of just about the most cowardly and reprehensible act possible at an NFL game.


And if you witnessed it and failed to get security to arrest the moron who did it, you're just as guilty.

What happened to Melody Carr, who is pregnant with the couple's third child, is so disgusting that anyone who has information about it should call the Texans immediately, and they should launch an investigation. Fans like that should be exposed and prosecuted.

Booing Carr is one thing because he's the franchise quarterback, and it goes with the territory, but taking out your frustration on his family is so shameful it almost defies explanation.

Reading the daily letter on Page C2 of Wednesday's Chronicle describing the disgraceful treatment Carr's family received during the loss to the Browns brought back memories of similar treatment Dan Pastorini and Warren Moon suffered when they played quarterback for the Oilers.

Carr handled the booing with class. During his regular postgame news conference, Carr said he would have booed, too. On his Monday morning spot on Sports Radio 610 AM, Carr said he understood the fans' frustration, didn't take it personally and accepted blame. He never brought up how his family had been treated. Now that it's become public, Carr still doesn't want to comment.

Fortunately, Carr understands that idiots like the one who doused his family with beer represent a small segment of Houston, but, unfortunately, they tarnish the image of those Texans fans who are loyal, enthusiastic and supportive.


Requested trade
Pastorini, the Oilers' No. 1 pick in 1971, suffered through one losing season after another and was able to withstand the kind of beatings that usually take place in a boxing ring. Those who played with Pastorini were amazed at the physical pain he endured.

Finally, it was mental anguish that caused his exit from Houston.

In 1978, the first of two consecutive AFC Championship Game seasons for the Oilers under coach Bum Phillips, Pastorini played hurt.

He took shots in his ribs and wore a shoulder brace. The flak jacket was invented to protect him.

More than once, when Pastorini was injured and lying on the Astrodome's artificial surface, the fans cheered.

And he never forgot it.

After they lost at Pittsburgh to come one step short of the Super Bowl, Pastorini asked Phillips to trade him.

Phillips asked Pastorini to play one more season, and if he felt the same way, he promised to trade him.

In 1979, Pastorini and the Oilers played their second AFC Championship Game at Pittsburgh and lost again.

"On the plane ride home, Bum came up to me and asked if I still wanted to be traded," Pastorini said Thursday. "He didn't think I'd say yes, but I did. At the time, I was uncertain about my arm, and I was just an emotional wreck."

After the 1979 season, Phillips traded Pastorini to Oakland for quarterback Kenny Stabler. Today, both Phillips and Pastorini regret their decision — Phillips for agreeing to do it and Pastorini for asking his coach to live up to their agreement.

"When I heard what happened to Carr and his family, it brought back some bad memories for me," Pastorini said. "When my family came to games, it would kill me to hear how they were treated.

"I think Houston has the greatest fans in the world. They're devoted, and they're understanding. Only a few do things like that, but let me tell you, it's gut-wrenching to have to experience it. I'm not talking about getting booed because that's part of the game.

"I'm talking about things your family experiences at games."


Miserable memories
It's difficult to imagine a player's family having a worse experience at home games than Moon's did after signing the largest contract in NFL history — $5.5 million over five years — in 1984. The Oilers struggled during his first three seasons, and Moon became a piñata for defensive linemen who used him for target practice.

Felicia Moon and her children sat in the players' section at the Astrodome. Some fans who sat close to them and knew who they were yelled racial slurs at Moon's wife and children.

At the time, Moon said he had been conditioned to block out racial slurs because he'd been hearing them since he became a quarterback, but it was getting so bad at the Astrodome he was going to recommend that his family not attend games.

"The toughest thing was trying to explain the reasons for it to my son at my locker after games," Moon said Thursday. "When I first found out what they were going through, I was angry, but I was also upset because I couldn't help them."

When the Oilers started winning in 1987, Moon and his family weren't subjected to as much abuse. Moon will be the first to tell you that, overall, he was treated well by the fans of Houston, but like Pastorini and now Carr, it was that one segment that can almost ruin it for everyone.

Like Pastorini and Moon, Carr understands fans are going to take out their frustration on him. But how does he explain to his kids the behavior of Houston fans who screamed at their family during games, calling their father the ugliest names they could think of, and, finally, dousing their mother with beer?

It's almost inexplicable to anyone with a conscience, but for those geranium brains out there, let's make it simple so you can understand: There's scum in every pond. Including ours, unfortunately.

[Chilly_Pete]

Here is the link:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/2981659

[MadMax]

is there any verification of that story at all??? past a letter to the editor???

carr isn't commenting....

did it happen???

[JPM0016]

Originally posted by MadMax
is there any verification of that story at all??? past a letter to the editor???

carr isn't commenting....

did it happen???

It certainly seems that way. One of the posters is close to the Carr family. Looks like some fans are arranging to have some flowers, etc... delivered to his wife.

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=5678

[Luckyazn]

http://www.draftshowcase.com/swmock05.htm


13. Houston Texans
Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
Dommanick Davis has had a good later part of the year, but I still think he works better as a 3rd down or change of pace back. Brown would give the Texans a true feature back who can also catch the ball. If Thomas Davis is here though, I think Houston would jump on him before taking a running back. :rolleyes:

[Groogrux]

Yeah right.

[Ottomaton]

Sporting News Current Mock Draft:




1 49ers Aaron Rodgers* QB Cal.
Rodgers has announced he will be coming out for the '05 draft. The 49ers may not keep this first pick but if they do, Rodgers is the right choice to start their rebuilding process. He has shown remarkable improvement the past two years and is ready for the NFL.

2 Dolphins Cedric Benson RB Texas
The Dolphins may not be able to resist Matt Leinart if he comes out -- a big, lefty gunslinger -- but Benson is a better choice for them. He is a fast and physical workhorse-type runner.

3 Browns Derrick Johnson OLB Texas
Johnson is a Ray Lewis-type defender. Cleveland can build a big-time unit around him.

4 Bears Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
The Bears need a go-to receiver. Edwards is a big-time playmaker with tremendous skills, size and speed.

5 Buccaneers Alex Barron T Florida St.
Barron has the strength and athleticism to dominate the line of scrimmage.

6 Titans David Pollack DE Georgia
Pollack is a big, physical and experienced end. His size, speed, and relentless pursuit should make him a dominant NFL player.

7 Raiders Carnell Williams RB Auburn
Williams has the speed, size and lower-body strength to fight for yardage. He will be a welcome addition to a team that finished last in rushing in 2004.

8 Cardinals Matt Leinart* QB USC
The Heisman Trophy winner and Orange Bowl MVP hasn't decided whether he will be an early draft entry. If he is, Leinart could be just the right fit for a young offense that already has very dangerous receivers.

9 Redskins Erasmus James DE Wis.
Washington needs to improve its defensive line. James, powerful and athletic, never gives up plays and excels at both pass-rushing and tackling.

10 Lions Kevin Burnett OLB Tennessee
Burnett has great speed and athleticism. His nonstop hustle, tackling skills and knack for big plays make him a very dangerous player.

11 Cowboys Antrel Rolle CB Miami (FL)
Rolle is the shutdown corner Dallas needs. He has the size, speed, and skills to be a game-altering presence.

12 Chargers Marlin Jackson CB Michigan
(from NY Giants) Jackson, a tough, physical shutdown corner, can have an immediate impact on the San Diego's young secondary.

13 Texans Dan Cody DE Oklahoma
The Texans are one season away from being winners. Cody, a tough, physical, speedy, big-play end is a leader who knows what it takes to win.

14 Panthers Elton Brown G Va.
Brown, a dominant force up front, can blast holes for Stephen Davis and DeShaun Foster.

15 Chiefs Corey Webster CB LSU
Webster, a fast, hard-hitting corner, will bring big playmaking skills and a tough attitude to Kansas City's secondary.

16 Saints Travis Johnson DT Florida St.
Johnson, a quick and strong hard-hitter, can stop the run and excels at getting penetration.

17 Bengals Jamaal Brimmer S UNLV
Brimmer is a tough, hard-hitting, big-play safety whose physical style and aggressive play will make an immediate impact in the Cincinnati's secondary.

18 Vikings Barrett Ruud ILB Nebraska
The Vikings need to upgrade their defense to compete with the top teams. Ruud has the size, speed and hard-hitting tackling ability they sorely need.

19 Rams Antonio Perkins CB Oklahoma
Perkins is just what the St. Louis needs -- an experienced shutdown corner with outstanding speed and skills. He also is a standout special teams performer.

20 Cowboys Jammal Brown T Oklahoma
(from Buffalo) Brown, an athletic giant with outstanding blocking skills, will be just the right addition for a young Dallas offense.

21 Jaguars Mike Williams* WR USC
Williams would be a steal here with his size and outstanding playmaking flair. With his incredible hands, he and Byron Leftwich could be a dynamic duo.

22 Ravens Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma
Clayton, an all-around receiver, does everything very well -- run, jump, catch, and block. He would be a perfect target for Kyle Boller and the right complement for Jamal Lewis.

23 Seahawks Mathias Kiwanuka* DE Boston Coll.
Kiwanuka is a solid underclassman entry. A huge force with speed and great potential, he would bring a game-altering presence to Seattle's defense.

24 Packers Alex Smith* QB Utah
Smith has declared he will enter the draft after an outstanding junior season for the Utes. He has size, speed and a great arm. The chance to learn under Brett Favre will make his decision look even smarter.

25 Broncos Ronnie Brown RB Auburn
Brown, a two-dimensional back, can both run the ball with power and speed and is a big receiving threat. He is the type of player Mike Shanahan would love to have in his backfield.

26 Jets Donte Nicholson S Oklahoma
The Jets need a defensive upgrade. Nicholson, a punishing hitter, excels both in run support and coverage.

27 Falcons Vince Carter C Oklahoma
Carter, a big, powerful center, can give Michael Vick protection and room to roam.

28 Chargers Adam Terry T Syracuse
San Diego's offensive line could use some more youth. Terry has the wingspan to ride off rushers and the blocking skills to open holes for LaDainian Tomlinson.

29 Colts Shaun Cody DT USC
Cody creates matchup problems with his quickness and size. Indianapolis needs big-time defensive playmakers, and he fits that mold.

30 Eagles Anttaj Hawthorne DT Wis.
Hawthorne has the strength and size to be a solid NFL run stopper and is an unblockable force when rushing the passer.

31 Patriots Antwaun Rogers CB Purdue
New England has been hurting in the secondary all season. Rogers is a big, playmaking corner with good experience.

32 Steelers D'Brickashaw Ferguson* T Va.
Ferguson, a junior, seems to be leaning toward staying in school. But if he enters the draft, he could have an immediate impact on Pittsburgh's tough young defense. An exceptional athlete with an enormous wingspan, he also can add more bulk.


Obviously the combine, and to a lesser extent the senior bowl type games will have a profound impact on these numbers, but Sporting News has done a better job with the rankings than many of the other sites have done the last couple of years from what I've seen.

[Ottomaton]

One more thing that I was unaware of --

Carlelton Thompson reports in The Sporting News that Seth Payne tore two tendons in his abdomen in the finale. I was unable to watch the game, so please excuse me if this was somehow common knowledge. That would seem to add a great deal of uncertanty, given that he's a free-agent.

Given this, and given the general up and down play of the D-line this year, as well as it's age, I have to assume that it's almost a lock that at least one d-lineman will be drafted on day one, and most likely as early as possible. Given the big free agent signing of Robaire Smith last year, I have to assume that the Texans wouldn't sign another big-ticket guy as a d-line starter to avoid overconcentration of their cap funds at that position, though I could be wrong.

[Groogrux]

I like Cody.

[leroy420]

Originally posted by Ottomaton
Sporting News Current Mock Draft:

13 Texans Dan Cody DE Oklahoma
The Texans are one season away from being winners. Cody, a tough, physical, speedy, big-play end is a leader who knows what it takes to win.


Great...a damn Okie :rolleyes:

Hey, if he performs I will look past that, but it will be hard.

One note, I don't think that Mike Williams will drop that far just because he didn't play this year. Look for him to go somewhere in the top 10. At least that is what my sources tell me ;)

[Summer Song Giver]

Does Cody meet the 300 lb prerequisite for 3-4 lineman?

[Baqui99]

Last year's draft was much deeper than this year's, unfortunately. Still, I think we can get a quality player at #13. If Barron slips to #13, I say take him. He could do wonders for our O-line. Elton Brown would be nice, as it would force Chester "false start" Pitts into a reserve role. Jammal Brown from OU is pretty good too. However, I think that the staff would have hard time passing on Antrel Rolle if he's there at #13 (highly unlikely).


The TSN mock draft is terribly inaccurate. No way does Leinart slip past #1 after his Orange Bowl performance. He's got size, skills, and the moxie of a franchise QB. Guys like Vince Carter and Donte Nicholson may not even be picked on the first day.

[ima_drummer2k]

Where would Cody play? He seems too small to play DL. Is he quick enough to play OLB? Can he drop into coverage?

Damn 3-4 defense... :mad:

[rrj_gamz]

If the beer on the family incident did happen, shame on that guy as that is inexcusable to take your frustrations out on Carr's family...That is ridiculous and pisses me off...:mad:

Now, as for the mock draft, I can't see Rogers getting drafted about Matt, if he comes out...Matt is a franchise type guy and SF needs someone like that...As for the Browns, they need a Receiver, not a LB, although the soon to be Texas-ex is special...

The Texans, well, they need everything, but a bad ass OT would be nice...

[JayZ750]

The Texans really really need to get more pressure on opposing QB's. I don't know if this is a play-calling, scheme (3-4) or talent issue. Robaire Smith was an impact signing but still not a lot of pressure last year. How do they address this issue?

[Rileydog]

with banks possibly leaving, doesn't casserly need to burn a 2nd or 3rd rounder on another QB project?

[Joe Joe]

To improve pass rush.

Wong must be replaced at OLB whether it be Peek, FA, or draft pick. He had his best year this past year and it wasn't good enough. Maybe, its partially the Dline, but you can see that Peek can get pressure. Peek just plays a matador against the run.

I'd like to see Wong move inside so the Texans can have one more person that is an option to bring on a blitz.

Maybe the Texans should try to emulate Pittsburgh's more diversified pass rush. Pittsburgh uses smaller DE's than the Texans and are able to get a better pass rush from them. Despite the smaller (have a tough time using this word to describe people 290) line, Pittsburgh is one of if not the best.

Babin is about three sacks away from being good enough.

In conclusion, the status quo is unacceptable, but it is so bad that it is difficult to see where the pass rush can be improved.

[Luckyazn]

Common sense often precludes the Lions from making the right decision, so Southern Cal offensive coordinator Norman Chow shouldn't expect a call from Steve Mariucci anytime soon. "It's probably time for me to move on and provide other people with opportunities to work with such a fine program as USC," Chow said. "It doesn't get much better at this level than this. But leaving would require me having another job first." So what are the Lions waiting for? The Fords should offer this man a blank check.
-- Detroit Free Press



WHY dont we get RID of Palmer and hire NORMA CHOW!! the guy is a winner and would probably make our offense alot better than "play not to lose" Palmer.

[bobmarley]

Originally posted by Luckyazn
WHY dont we get RID of Palmer and hire NORMAN CHOW!! the guy is a winner and would probably make our offense alot better than "play not to lose" Palmer.

I love that idea. He is the only guy I would want as OC this offseason.

His gameplanning is crazy good

[ima_drummer2k]

Originally posted by Luckyazn
WHY dont we get RID of Palmer and hire NORMA CHOW!! the guy is a winner and would probably make our offense alot better than "play not to lose" Palmer.
Because Capers would still be the head coach and thus nothing would change offensively.

You really think Palmer (and not Capers) is behind our lame playcalling?

[bobmarley]

I really doubt Capers would curb Chow's playcalling that much.
Chow just knows how to gameplan in general. Besides being a great QB coach.

[ima_drummer2k]

Originally posted by bobmarley
I really doubt Capers would curb Chow's playcalling that much.

You're probably right. Unfortunately, we will most likely never find out. :(

[SamCassell]

Chris Palmer was also known as a creative offensive mind before coming to the Texans. How quickly people forget.

[Gummi Clutch]

USA Today Sports Weekly List The "2005 Texans Opponents" - Dates to be Determined:


Home:

Indy

Jacksonville

Tennessee

Cleveland

Pittsburg

Arizona

St.Louis

Kansas City



Away:

Indy

Jacksonville

Tennessee

Baltimore

Cincinatti

San Francisco

Seattle

Buffalo

[SwoLy-D]

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1491 < - has our record against each of the 2005 opponents.

[bobmarley]

I think if Pitt wins the superbowl we have a chance that our game with them next year could be a primetime affair.

I would love a monday nighter.

[Lil Francis]

Results for 2005
Home
Indy- Lost
Jags- Win
Titans-Win
Browns- Win REVENGE
Steelers- Lost
Cards-Win
Rams-Lost
Chiefs- Win

Road
Indy- Lost
Jags- Win
Titans- Win
Ravens- Lost
Bengals- Win
49ers-Win
Seahawks- Win
Bills- Lost

10-6 in 2005

[bobmarley]

Home
Indy- Win
Jags- Win
Titans-Win
Browns- Win
Steelers- Loss
Cards- Loss
Rams-Loss
Chiefs- Win

Road
Indy- Loss
Jags- Win
Titans- Loss
Ravens- Loss
Bengals- Win
49ers-Win
Seahawks- Win
Bills- Win

I too see a 10-6 record and the playoffs.

[MadMax]

much better to be playing the NFC West than then NFC North.

[Rocket G]

You see us beating the Bills on the road? The Seahawks too?

[Austin70]

Why are the Texans playing the Chiefs three years in a row?

[leroy420]

Originally posted by Austin70
Why are the Texans playing the Chiefs three years in a row?

The schedule is partly made up of a match up against an NFC division (the NFC West in this case w/ SF, STL, Seattle and Arizona) and partly based on the previous season's record (teams with records close to their's...a la Chiefs, Bills, Bungles, and Ravens). I'm not sure where Cleveland fits in other than I guess the NFL determined that the Texans should get a chance for revenge.

[Stevierebel]

The way the schedule goes... you play a whole division in your conference. Also, you play the other teams in the conference that finished in the same place of their division as your team finished. Therefore, the Texans will be playing all the teams that finished in third place of their divisions in the AFC.

[NJRocket]

I think 14 of the games are always predetermned nowadays...the other 2 are based on order of finish and are conference games

[dsnow23]

I don't feel good using this as a reference but info on NFL scheduling below:

http://football.about.com/cs/football101/a/bl_schedproced.htm

[leroy420]

Originally posted by dsnow23
I don't feel good using this as a reference but info on NFL scheduling below:

http://football.about.com/cs/football101/a/bl_schedproced.htm

That explains playing KC for the 3rd straight year and the matchup against the AFC North and NFC West. Should be a fun season.

Home
Indy- Win
Jags- Win
Titans-Win
Browns- Win
Steelers- Loss
Cards- Win
Rams-Win
Chiefs- Win

Road
Indy- Loss
Jags- Win
Titans- Loss
Ravens- Loss
Bengals- Win
49ers-Win
Seahawks- Win
Bills- Loss

I see 11-5 for next year with 7-1 at home.

[nWo34Life]

Texans signed 14 FAs:

HOUSTON - The Houston Texans announced today that they have signed the following player to future contracts:

LB Tim Cheatwood (6-4, 258, Ohio State, first season)

DE Jason Davis (6-3, 320, West Virginia, first season)

LB Anthony Dunn (6-2, 246, Northern Colorado, first season)

LB Tyreo Harrison (6-2, 238, Notre Dame, second season)

T Casey Knutson (6-4, 290, Northern State, first season)

RB Adam Matthews (5-11, 205, Northern Colorado, first season)

LB David Moretti (6-1, 235, Oregon, first season)

WR Nick Narcisse (5-10, 178, Tulane, first season)

QB Preston Parsons (6-4, 236, Northern Arizona, first season)

P Cody Scates (6-1, 205, Texas A&M, first season)

K Chris Snyder (6-0, 190, Montana, first season)

WR Allen Suber (5-9, 189, Bethune-Cookman, first season)

WR Sloan Thomas (6-1, 203, Texas, first season)

SS David Young (6-1, 211, Georgia Southern, first season)

....and the list of Texans FAs for this year:

Following is a list of the Texans' 2005 free agents by category:

Unrestricted free agents

QB Tony Banks
CB Jason Bell
LB Marcus Bell
WR Corey Bradford
DE Jerry Deloach
DT Junior Ioane
FS Marlon McCree
FB Moran Norris
DT Seth Payne
LB DaShon Polk
DE Corey Sears
FS Jason Simmons
T Marcus Spears
CB Kenny Wright

Restricted Free Agents

FB Jarrod Baxter
G Milford Brown
LB Troy Evans
CB Demarcus Faggins
RB Jonathan Wells

Exclusive Rights Free Agents

LB D.D. Acholonu
RB Jason Anderson
G Brandon Evans
T Garrick Jones
KR J.J. Moses
TE Matt Murphy
LB Shantee Orr
LS Bryan Pittman

[coma]

Originally posted by nWo34Life

Exclusive Rights Free Agents

KR J.J. Moses


Please don't bring this guy back. Keep an extra WR for KR/PR duties, they can't do any worse than Moses.

[moligity]

Originally posted by coma
Please don't bring this guy back. Keep an extra WR for KR/PR duties, they can't do any worse than Moses.

agreed, he is dependable (expect one fumble on the last game).

What about Dunta returnng kicks? He's shown good return abilty on his INT's.

[Phillyrocket]

Originally posted by moligity
agreed, he is dependable (expect one fumble on the last game).

What about Dunta returnng kicks? He's shown good return abilty on his INT's.

Don't think you'd want to risk a starter of Dunta's caliber, he's also pretty shifty but not flat out fast. I hope the Texans look at a CB or WR in the later rounds of the draft who could spend the first season returning kicks and playing special teams. Also Pac-Man Jones will most likely be available at the #13 pick, he could fill the role of KR/Nickelback until he's ready to start over Glenn.

[Lil Francis]

Roscoe Parrish (Miami FL) would be a great pick for the Texans in the 3rd or 4th round to return kicks. This guy may become the next Dante Hall.

[hoang17]

Originally posted by Lil Francis
Roscoe Parrish (Miami FL) would be a great pick for the Texans in the 3rd or 4th round to return kicks. This guy may become the next Dante Hall.

isn't parrish considered a 1st round/2nd round type of talent? He was a badass at miami last year. Unstoppable at returning kicks.

[emjohn]

I'm worried about our chances with keeping Bradford. I can't see him as happy with the number of throws going his way.

Evan

[MadMax]

Originally posted by emjohn
I'm worried about our chances with keeping Bradford. I can't see him as happy with the number of throws going his way.

Evan

i'm not. let him go.

[rezdawg]

Originally posted by emjohn
I'm worried about our chances with keeping Bradford. I can't see him as happy with the number of throws going his way.

Evan

Im not really that thrilled about bringing him back. I wouldnt worry about it. He can go...wont really affect the offense.

[Lil Francis]

Originally posted by hoang17
isn't parrish considered a 1st round/2nd round type of talent? He was a badass at miami last year. Unstoppable at returning kicks. Nah he won't make the first round because of his size but a couple of mock draft sites had him going late second round or early third. He and Devin Hester were by far the best return men in college football and the crazy thing is they play for the same team.

[swilkins]

Originally posted by emjohn
I'm worried about our chances with keeping Bradford. I can't see him as happy with the number of throws going his way.

Evan

Not me. I'm hoping that Sloan Thomas gets on the starting squad.

[hardwood]

Has anyone heard anything about signing Joey Porter to replace Bradford?I caught the end of this on 610.
On the draft..Mike Williams of USC is a major sleeper.

[Yao Wink]

Cross Walter Jones off the FA list. :(

Ahh nuts !!!! (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1992773)

[bobmarley]

that bites

[NewRoxFan]

If Tony Banks moves on... Bledsoe?

[Yao Wink]

Originally posted by NewRoxFan
If Tony Banks moves on... Bledsoe?

Bledsoe is too good to be a back up for a team with a young, stud QB. It would make more sense for him to go to Dallas and back with Parcells.

[leroy420]

Originally posted by NewRoxFan
If Tony Banks moves on... Bledsoe?

You think Carr gets sacked a lot? Imagine if the most immobile QB in the NFL were playing behind that line. It hurts to think about it.

At this point, I think that Banks would have signed somewhere if he were to be getting a starting job. He has said in the past that he will re-sign with the Texans should he not get a chance to start somewhere else. I think we'll see Tony back with the clipboard in 2005. I, for one, will be glad to see him there again. Anyone but Dave Ragone.

[benchmoochie]

What do you think about the Texans picking up Derrick Mason.. i hear Mason will be cut by the Titans soon.

[kaleidosky]

Originally posted by hardwood
Has anyone heard anything about signing Joey Porter to replace Bradford?I caught the end of this on 610.
On the draft..Mike Williams of USC is a major sleeper.

On both counts...W T F?

Joey Porter is a linebacker. If you want to start him at any receiver position, by all means, start a franchise and play against my teams anytime.

Mike Williams has been discussed non-stop on this board and on ESPN as a likely first-rounder. That doesn't really qualify him in any way as a "major sleeper". Add to it that I don't think he'll live up to his hype, but that's just an opinion..

[hardwood]

My Bad actually I was speaking of Jerry Porter(WR) from the Raiders.I know who Joey Porter is,as I had him on my fantasy football team a couple of years ago.He's one helluva linebacker.Anyway,Jerry has been hurt and played with Gannon when he just couldn't get him the ball anymore.He looks to have major upside..and I thought I heard him mentioned in connection with the Texans.I was wondering if anyone else had heard anything regarding this.
...and on Williams,I was not privvy to your discussion ,since I just started posting in here.Mike would have gone high,if not for the problems last year.This year he appears to be slotted between 18-22..To me that is kinda low.My feeling is that he is a top 10 pick.So,I call him a sleeper.What's the consensus on Mike Williams around here?

[DanHiggsBeard]

2nd coming of Keshawn Hohnson.

[swilkins]

Originally posted by Yao Wink
Bledsoe is too good to be a back up for a team with a young, stud QB. It would make more sense for him to go to Dallas and back with Parcells.

Isn't he like 40 now or does he just look 40?

I was hoping that Symons would take over Ragone's spot. I never understood why you draft a lefty to back a right handed QB. I've never agreed with that IMO. If Banks stays fine. If he goes, I want to see what Symons looks like this pre-season.

[rrj_gamz]

Originally posted by swilkins
I was hoping that Symons would take over Ragone's spot. I never understood why you draft a lefty to back a right handed QB. I've never agreed with that IMO. If Banks stays fine. If he goes, I want to see what Symons looks like this pre-season.

Why wouldn't we trade Ragone or Symons? Why have two, with Carr, three youngsters...It doesn't make any sense to me, IMO...I like having Tony, a veteran is a good thing...

[Yao Wink]

Originally posted by hardwood
My Bad actually I was speaking of Jerry Porter(WR) from the Raiders.

ESPN just reported that the Raiders and Jerry Porter just agreed to a 5 year deal. While he was a top tier FA WR, I didn't think the see him in a Texan jersey anyway.

Porter stays with Raiders (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1997221)

[bobmarley]

I saw on the NFL channel that the Texans sent Ragone to NFL europe to get some playing time.

[LonghornFan]

There are quite a few rumors going around that have Plaxico being spotted more than a few times in and around town, and that the Texans are planning on letting Bradford go and signing Plax. Anybody else have information on this?

[bobmarley]

How much would Plaxico cost us?

Is he a restricted FA?

[r-fan-since-81]

Who is Plaxico?

Are you refering to Mason?

[MadMax]

Originally posted by r-fan-since-81
Who is Plaxico?


http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/187385

[gunn]

The Steelers did not place the "franchise tag" on Burress, according to John Clayton. He mentioned Washington as a possible destination.

[hardwood]

I think Burress would compliment Johnson well.
To me,Plexiglass is more of a possession type who can get deep or make the big play once in a while...very dangerous in the Red Zone.He really was hindered by the Steelers lack of a viable QB before Roethlisberger came along.Yes,he is prone to the dropsies at times.But with Carr's armstrength and Johnson stretching the defense,Burress would have a field day.Lets go after him.

BTW..Williams strikes me as the same type of receiver,but without the height.I think your probably right about Keyshawn being a good comparison.

[twoniner]

Does anyone know what our cap situation is? I've heard varying reports.

[bottlerocket]

Would the Texans be interested in David Terrell. He was cut by the Bears recently. If ( a big if) he can get his act together he can be a nice compliment to A. Johnson. Also, they can use that #13 pick on another need.

[Lil Francis]

What about the wideout for the Bengals. TJ (can't spell his last name) He has great speed, can make defenders miss after the catch and he won't cost as much as Burress and Mason.

[SWTsig]

i'm not the most informed person when it comes to footbal, but i was wondering if there were any legit rumors regarding the Texans so far this offseason. it seems like there's a ton of FA's available at our need positions and it would be a shame if the Texans didnt pick up a few solid guys that could contribute a great deal next season.

Who are some of the guys available right now that we really have a chance at signing?

thanks.

[mogrod]

Originally posted by Lil Francis
What about the wideout for the Bengals. TJ (can't spell his last name) He has great speed, can make defenders miss after the catch and he won't cost as much as Burress and Mason.

I think you're talking about Housen............ He re-signed with the Bengels I believe.

[leroy420]

Originally posted by mogrod
I think you're talking about Housen............ He re-signed with the Bengels I believe.

He did sign with them yesterday. By the way, it's T.J. Houshmandzadeh. I don't see how that fits on a jersey.

Originally posted by bottlerocket
Would the Texans be interested in David Terrell. He was cut by the Bears recently. If ( a big if) he can get his act together he can be a nice compliment to A. Johnson. Also, they can use that #13 pick on another need.

I don't think Terrell is worth it. The potential has always been there. He just hasn't ever gotten it together. As of this second, he would probably be the 4th receiver behind AJ, Gaffney, and Derek Armstrong. I'd also take more of a chance on Sloan Thomas or Kendrick Starling before signing Terrell.

I would like to see a more accomplished #2 receiver. It's not a priority because, IMO, Gaffney will be a nice compliment to AJ. They do indeed need to use that #13 pick on something other than a WR.

[Hippieloser]

Don't know if the word's already out, but the Texans are holding a press conference at 3 p.m. today (Thurs) to announce the signing of a free agent. Casserly and Capers will both be there, so it could be significant.

[rocks_fan]

Originally posted by Hippieloser
Don't know if the word's already out, but the Texans are holding a press conference at 3 p.m. today (Thurs) to announce the signing of a free agent. Casserly and Capers will both be there, so it could be significant.

If it someone else's FA, I would bet it's probably Morlon Greenwood. Sounded like he and his agent had fallen in love with Houston on his visit.

[Hippieloser]

I believe it will be someone new to the team, yeah. Resigning guys doesn't usually rate a press conference with the head coach. Payne's signing didn't.

[Lil Francis]

Originally posted by mogrod
I think you're talking about Housen............ He re-signed with the Bengels I believe. Damn. Thats the kind of wideout the Texans need to take the pressure off of Johnson. I guess we will get that in the draft.

[Rocketball]

Texans have signed Morlon Greenwood of the Dolphins to a five year contract.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2004143

[rocks_fan]

Based upon this year and last year, it looks like Casserly and Capers set their sights on a player and go after them with everything they've got to lock them up as quickly as possible. I hadn't even heard about Greenwood interested in the Texans until his visit then all of the sudden he signs a deal. Then last year, Wade and Smith signed just after the FA market opened.

I'm glad the Texans are willing to go the extra mile to get the players they want, but I'm scared about the albatross one of these deals could become if the player doesn't pan out.

[Lil Francis]

I guess any Blalock rumors can be put to rest because he just signed a 5yr deal with the Jets.

[leroy420]

Originally posted by Lil Francis
I guess any Blalock rumors can be put to rest because he just signed a 5yr deal with the Jets.

I didn't understand that one anyway. He's a pretty good back. Why take the #2 role behind a young running back. At least with NYJ, he'll back up Curtis Martin who probably isn't long for this league.

I'd much rather keep Wells around as #2 and see if Hollings can improve as the #3.

[bobmarley]

from what ive read about greenwood he just got stronger as the season went along. I like this pickup.

[Ottomaton]

Originally posted by bobmarley
from what ive read about greenwood he just got stronger as the season went along. I like this pickup.

Odd stat for Greenwood -

133 tackles (second on team) 0 sacks. Of course, probably just an artifcat of the system.

[leroy420]

Originally posted by Ottomaton
Odd stat for Greenwood -

133 tackles (second on team) 0 sacks. Of course, probably just an artifcat of the system.

It is. I believe someone said that Zach Thomas has 3.5 sacks over the last 3 years, yet he's considered one of the best LB's in the game. The Miami system has always generated sacks from the DL. If Greenwood is playing ILB, the there should be no problem, as long as he can play the run and cover. The Texans system (in theory) generates sacks from the OLB and DE's.

I do wonder if this is posturing just in case Derrick Johnson is available at 13.

[bobmarley]

Originally posted by Ottomaton
Odd stat for Greenwood -

133 tackles (second on team) 0 sacks. Of course, probably just an artifcat of the system.

I was looking at his stats per game and as the season went along he got better.

I like him because he is such a sure tackler and he is always around the ball. He has great football instincts.

[rezdawg]

Speaking of Greenwood, I was talking to my friend who lives in Miami. He says that people are calling into the radio stations, laughing, because they think its a joke that Greenwood signed that kind of a contract. :( He went on to say that Greenwood must have the best agent out there.

Anyways, hope he earns that contract. People in Miami definitely dont think he can.

[bobmarley]

its not that bad of a contract.

he is making just over 4 mill a year. I dont know if it is backloaded or not though. And he is just entering his prime physical and mental age as a football player. Plus its just another youngster to add to the large crop players that we have here. I really like the way Casserly is building this team through smart fiscal FA signings of young core type players and the build up of depth with the draft.

[swilkins]

Originally posted by rezdawg
Speaking of Greenwood, I was talking to my friend who lives in Miami. He says that people are calling into the radio stations, laughing, because they think its a joke that Greenwood signed that kind of a contract. :( He went on to say that Greenwood must have the best agent out there.

Anyways, hope he earns that contract. People in Miami definitely dont think he can.

IMO - I always thought the Dolphins were one of the most under-acheived football franchises in history.

[tierre_brown]

Anyone else hear Donovin Darius get permission to seek a trade from Jags? Any way we could get him? That'd bolster the secondary...or we could let McCree get more looks back there...

[rocketlaunch]

Texans | Could Pursue Franks - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:38:24 -0800

Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, reports the Houston Texans might be interested in Green Bay Packers transition player TE Bubba Franks, who has yet to make any free agent visits this offseason.

[Yao Wink]

Bubba Franks ... the king of the 1-yard TD receptions. Obviously he has great size and is a factor in the red zone. Depending on contract details, why the heck not?

[Lil Francis]

How many TE's does a team need? If they sign Franks then they have to get rid of Billy Miller.

[rocketlaunch]

Originally posted by Lil Francis
How many TE's does a team need? If they sign Franks then they have to get rid of Billy Miller.

thats a big huge oh well

[Ottomaton]

Originally posted by Lil Francis
If they sign Franks then they have to get rid of Billy Miller.

Billy Miller put up great numbers in the first year with the Texans, but he's not a real tight end. Coming out of college he was a WR, who the Broncos convinced to bulk up.

His WR skills make him capable of putting up good reception numbers when given a chance, he lacks the natural physical traits, as well as the experience and skill to be a full time tight end.

Not his fault, just the way it is.

There's a reason that they drafted Bennie Joppru in the second round (even though it hasn't worked out) and then made signing Mark Bruner one of their first offseason deals last year.

[rocketlaunch]

here is apicture from last night at my friends big birthday downtown at the M Bar.

dunta and tony hollings... and some bug eyed scary girl

http://www.indmix.com/images/2005/031005/031005-078.jpg

[Yaomania345]

Im a steeler fan at heart but i honestly dont see that much in this team. Offensively i dont really like David Carr he is an alright QB who will never become great and hopefully can achive something between decent and good. The running back situation is a mess. DD is a extremly talented player who fumbles the ball way too much and is hurt too often. Tony Hollings is just like a poor mans DD. The Texans need to find another wide receiver to side with AJ who is the only player i think will be an NFL star on the Texans O. Jabar Gaffney is a good 3rd string WR thats all he will be. I cannot speak much on the D for the texans as i change the channel when their not on O. I can say though that DR already is a star and was a great pick in the draft last year. Too many question marks on O this year. Hopefully they will pan out but if not i would not be suprised to see the Texans QB at the end of the season.

[leroy420]

Originally posted by Yaomania345
Im a steeler fan at heart but i honestly dont see that much in this team. Offensively i dont really like David Carr he is an alright QB who will never become great and hopefully can achive something between decent and good. The running back situation is a mess. DD is a extremly talented player who fumbles the ball way too much and is hurt too often. Tony Hollings is just like a poor mans DD. The Texans need to find another wide receiver to side with AJ who is the only player i think will be an NFL star on the Texans O. Jabar Gaffney is a good 3rd string WR thats all he will be. I cannot speak much on the D for the texans as i change the channel when their not on O. I can say though that DR already is a star and was a great pick in the draft last year. Too many question marks on O this year. Hopefully they will pan out but if not i would not be suprised to see the Texans QB at the end of the season.

How exactly is the RB situation a mess? Domanick Davis fumbled 4 times last season, all in the first 2 games. Hollings is young and has only played RB for a few years. You are simply wrong on this front.

David Carr is only 3 years in and is only getting better. It's kind of hard to put up big numbers from your back. The OL is the problem, not Carr.

You are right about 2 things. AJ is a stud and will be a Pro Bowler for many years. Gaffney probably isn't better than a 3rd WR. They do need someone to help take more pressure off of AJ.

I personally don't consider anyone a football fan when they only watch offense. Do you watch basketball for the dunks and baseball for the homeruns?

[Yaomania345]

Depends who im watching. I watch both sides for my teams the rockets and the steelers but id rather watch an athletic team putting up numbers than two teams go at it on D. I take the point on DD with fumbles but it is still a flaw just not as big as i thought. He is still injury prone.

[rocketlaunch]

Texans | Brown Cut - from www.KFFL.com
Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:54:46 -0800

Carlton Thompson, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans have released S Eric Brown

thats two guys cut today and pace is in town.. possibly clearing some cap space

[Shotcaller]

getting pumped up this off season... too bad we couldnt land Pace, was nice to see us make the effort to get him though... I think the texans really need to show something this year, or something big needs to be done over next seasons off season....

[rrj_gamz]

Pace would have been huge, but that would have been tough to land regardless...Let's see what the draft will leave us as we need something to give Carr time...

[Summer Song Giver]

I'm calling it, Alex Barron or a Wideout at #13

[mateo]

Trade down.....please.

[tierre_brown]

Anyone have ESPN Insider? They have a section today on NFL section about the OL in the draft:

"Strength In Numbers
This year's draft lacks a franchise-type offensive lineman, but there's plenty of quality depth, according to Scouts Inc. Among the top prospects are Alex Barron, Jammal Brown (pictured) and Khalif Barnes."

[Lil Francis]

Originally posted by Summer Song Giver
I'm calling it, Alex Barron or a Wideout at #13 It might be Barron because alot of mock drafts have Williamson,Williams, and Edwards gone by 13.

[xiki]

Originally posted by mateo
Trade down.....please.

Why not up?

[rezdawg]

Either the Texans should trade up into the top 9 or 10 or trade down into the 20's (and pick up 2nd and 4th rounder in the process).

I dont see any way that they stay put and take Barron.

If they stay put, they will take Williamson, unless someone slips that they arent anticipating (for example, Merriman). But, my theory is that if you are going to take Williamson, then you may as well trade down and take Mark Clayton. That way, you still get a solid #2 receiver while picking up a couple important picks.

I think I can live with any scenario that doesnt include Barron.

[H-Town Info]

Originally posted by rezdawg
Either the Texans should trade up into the top 9 or 10 or trade down into the 20's (and pick up 2nd and 4th rounder in the process).

I dont see any way that they stay put and take Barron.

If they stay put, they will take Williamson, unless someone slips that they arent anticipating (for example, Merriman). But, my theory is that if you are going to take Williamson, then you may as well trade down and take Mark Clayton. That way, you still get a solid #2 receiver while picking up a couple important picks.

I think I can live with any scenario that doesnt include Barron.

i would only trade up for rolle, pac-man, or derrick johnson (maybe trade up with the titans since the titans need some picks badly to rebuild themselves). if we do trade down (like say with baltmore at around 23 since they need another stud wr like williamson to complement mason, heap, j. lewis and boller), we can pick up mark clayton, which he will be excellent complement to aj with his surprising good speed at the combine (he was doubted to have speed), superb agility, and can get out into the open field while getting a 2nd round pick in the process as compensation as well.

i would get in this order if we trade down:

clayton
carlos rogers (crossing fingers)
shaun cody

and 2nd round
elton brown (1st of the 2 2nd rounder if trade with baltmore)
C.J. Mosley

and 3rd round
get antoino perkins (hopefully)
and take a flyer on Ben Wilkerson to replace McKinney

[rezdawg]

Originally posted by H-Town Info
if we do trade down (like say with baltmore at around 23 since they need another stud wr like williamson to complement mason, heap, j. lewis and boller), we can pick up mark clayton, which he will be excellent complement to aj with his surprising good speed at the combine (he was doubted to have speed), superb agility, and can get out into the open field while getting a 2nd round pick in the process as compensation as well.



Thats my scenario. Here is a video of Clayton for anyone interested...

http://www.nmnathletics.com/video2/VGOLHTFXJBTOVBX.20031107162659.wmv?ATCLID=11506&SPSID=2470&SPID=190&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=300

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by rezdawg


I think I can live with any scenario that doesnt include Barron.

Yes, a team with a horrible offensive line should avoid using its mid first round pick on taking the top OL in the draft at all costs. It would be suicide to put him out there, he might cause the QB to get sacked alot, unlike assorted journeyman and "sleeper" draft picks.

[rezdawg]

Originally posted by SamFisher
Yes, a team with a horrible offensive line should avoid using its mid first round pick on taking the top OL in the draft at all costs. It would be suicide to put him out there, he might cause the QB to get sacked alot, unlike assorted journeyman and "sleeper" draft picks.

This is one of the worst years for an OT. Just because Barron is the best among the group does not mean that he is a "cant miss" prospect. Its like being the smartest kid on the short bus (Compliments to Vinny from HoustonProFootball).

Look at Robert Gallery...the Raiders used their high pick on him. He was a monster coming out and was projected to be one of the best left tackles. Where is he now? Oh, playing right tackle.

You use your 1st pick on someone you know will pan out, not on someone you hope will pan out. The draft is too important in football, you cant go Vegas style with your first pick.

[Groogrux]

Originally posted by rezdawg
You use your 1st pick on someone you know will pan out, not on someone you hope will pan out. The draft is too important in football, you cant go Vegas style with your first pick.

There are no sure things in the draft. Every pick is Vegas style.

[rezdawg]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
There are no sure things in the draft. Every pick is Vegas style.

Okay, granted. However, I would put my money on the Yanks to win it all instead of putting my money on the Devil Rays.

Barron = Devil Rays

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by rezdawg
This is one of the worst years for an OT. Just because Barron is the best among the group does not mean that he is a "cant miss" prospect. Its like being the smartest kid on the short bus (Compliments to Vinny from HoustonProFootball).

Look at Robert Gallery...the Raiders used their high pick on him. He was a monster coming out and was projected to be one of the best left tackles. Where is he now? Oh, playing right tackle.

You use your 1st pick on someone you know will pan out, not on someone you hope will pan out. The draft is too important in football, you cant go Vegas style with your first pick.

Guess what: the Texans aren't picking first in the draft this year. I highly doubt you (or any fan) has seen this guy enough to say what his exact worth is, but since he's a projected mid first rounder, and they pick in the mid first round, I don't see the travesty you do.

But anyway, you're saying that you know other players will pan out? If you "know" this, then what are you doing here?

[brooksstephens]

the Texans suck

[JPM0016]

Originally posted by brooksstephens
the Texans suck

And your team would be....?

[rezdawg]

Originally posted by SamFisher
Guess what: the Texans aren't picking first in the draft this year. I highly doubt you (or any fan) has seen this guy enough to say what his exact worth is, but since he's a projected mid first rounder, and they pick in the mid first round, I don't see the travesty you do.

Thats the problem, Sammy Boy, he's an OT projected to go in the mid 1st round. That shows how worthless the OT class is when your best prospect cant crack the top 10. If he was placed in last years draft, he wouldnt sniff the 1st round. He just isnt that talented and I dont see the obsession you have with him. The guy isnt necessarily a step up from Wand at this point, so why waste your 1st on him if the odds of him starting over Wand arent better than 50/50?

Originally posted by SamFisher But anyway, you're saying that you know other players will pan out? If you "know" this, then what are you doing here?

Really Sammy Boy? Go back and find where I said that "I know". I dont ever recall saying something like that. I may have said something more along the lines of "You use your 1st pick on someone you know will pan out, not on someone you hope will pan out." And this is quite reasonable, IMO. The Texans dont have one glaring weakness...they have many holes to fill. Therefore, with this said, we can upgrade our team in many ways. My opinion is that we take a position that we can upgrade the most in. Taking a Troy Williamson, for instance, is a huge upgrade over Corey Bradford. Taking a Derrick Johnson would allow our ILB to be set for years to come. Taking Pac-man Jones would give us a lethal CB combo, one in which could potentially be the best duo in the NFL in 3 years. These picks would all have a huge impact on the development of the team.

Taking Alex Barron just does not give the team that impact player and that is why he would be a waste with our first pick. He could be an upgrade over Wand, but Williamson or Edwards or Williams is an upgrade over Bradford/Gaffney, DJ is an upgrade over any linebacker we have, Pac-man Jones is an upgrade over the 33 year old Glenn, Shawne Merriman is an upgrade over Wong on the outside, Ronnie Brown is an upgrade over Dom Davis, etc...

You cant say the same thing about Barron. The guy is a great pass protector, but his run blocking is suspect. Great athlete, great potential, but that says nothing about how is game will translate in the pros. Its too much of a gamble at this stage of the game for the Texans.

[wstar]

sharper released (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1601)

jamie joins jay foreman as FA

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by rezdawg
Thats the problem, Sammy Boy, he's an OT projected to go in the mid 1st round. That shows how worthless the OT class is when your best prospect cant crack the top 10. If he was placed in last years draft, he wouldnt sniff the 1st round. He just isnt that talented and I dont see the obsession you have with him. The guy isnt necessarily a step up from Wand at this point, so why waste your 1st on him if the odds of him starting over Wand arent better than 50/50?



Really Sammy Boy? Go back and find where I said that "I know". I dont ever recall saying something like that. I may have said something more along the lines of "You use your 1st pick on someone you know will pan out, not on someone you hope will pan out." And this is quite reasonable, IMO. The Texans dont have one glaring weakness...they have many holes to fill. Therefore, with this said, we can upgrade our team in many ways. My opinion is that we take a position that we can upgrade the most in. Taking a Troy Williamson, for instance, is a huge upgrade over Corey Bradford. Taking a Derrick Johnson would allow our ILB to be set for years to come. Taking Pac-man Jones would give us a lethal CB combo, one in which could potentially be the best duo in the NFL in 3 years. These picks would all have a huge impact on the development of the team.

Taking Alex Barron just does not give the team that impact player and that is why he would be a waste with our first pick. He could be an upgrade over Wand, but Williamson or Edwards or Williams is an upgrade over Bradford/Gaffney, DJ is an upgrade over any linebacker we have, Pac-man Jones is an upgrade over the 33 year old Glenn, Shawne Merriman is an upgrade over Wong on the outside, Ronnie Brown is an upgrade over Dom Davis, etc...

You cant say the same thing about Barron. The guy is a great pass protector, but his run blocking is suspect. Great athlete, great potential, but that says nothing about how is game will translate in the pros. Its too much of a gamble at this stage of the game for the Texans.

LOL, read your own post rezdawg - you are sure that these other prospects are sure things "is an upgrade", based on no more evidence than you haave about Barron being a bust (reading the Strengths & Weaknesses column in some NFL draft website - no doubt, unless of course you've been tracking Shawne Merriman since last year.)

Oh, and you may want to add Jamie Sharper's ILB spot to that position where they need upgrades - I guess that 3rd round draft pick we fetched for him will have to suffice, right? Oh wait....

[rezdawg]

Originally posted by SamFisher
LOL, read your own post rezdawg - you are sure that these other prospects are sure things "is an upgrade", based on no more evidence than you haave about Barron being a bust (reading the Strengths & Weaknesses column in some NFL draft website - no doubt, unless of course you've been tracking Shawne Merriman since last year.)

Oh, and you may want to add Jamie Sharper's ILB spot to that position where they need upgrades - I guess that 3rd round draft pick we fetched for him will have to suffice, right? Oh wait....

Regarding the "evidence", I look at footage. Every website says that Barron will be the savior for the Texans at LT. I dont see it and Im not quite sure why they think he is as good as he is. Sorry, but I dont see how a good 40 time and vertical leap help his ability to bulldoze a defensive end.

And after watching every Texans game and watching a majority of players that are being projected in the top few rounds, I can come up with what I believe to be "upgrades". I dont need a website spoon feeding me the information like you need it.

Jamie Sharper's release doesnt mean we couldnt fetch a draft pick, it means that the Texans have bigger plans with their cap space. Im not sure what they are planning on doing, but I would bet that the draft day will be an interesting one with Casserly and Co....Shaun Alexander anyone?

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by rezdawg


Jamie Sharper's release doesnt mean we couldnt fetch a draft pick, it means that the Texans have bigger plans with their cap space. Im not sure what they are planning on doing, but I would bet that the draft day will be an interesting one with Casserly and Co....Shaun Alexander anyone?

Denial.....

So your position is that, we could have gotten a whole bunch of stuff for Sharper, but we just released him instead?

:D

Yeah, and the Rockets cut Andre Barret rather than trade him for LeBron James in order to stay under the salary cap.

Don't make me quote your posts in the other thread where you guaranteed he would never be released for nothing and told me I was on crack if I thought differently , all the while talking about all of the great stuff he would bring back in a trade.

[rezdawg]

No doubt I was hoping for a 3rd rounder. I also did mention that a 4th rounder is more likely.

However, look at the situation. What good is it for the Texans to just release him outright? You dont think they could have gotten a 7th rounder for him? Sure they could have, and a 7th rounder beats getting nothing for him. So, there must be a reason for it. Otherwise, purely idiotic move by the Texans. I know Charlie is smarter than that, so I would say that its safe to assume that this move was made to clear space for something bigger.

Take this info along with the fact that Casserly has talked about not staying put at 13 and youve got yourself an interesting situation. I would say that he has something up his sleeve and that draft day will be a big day for the Texans.

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by rezdawg
No doubt I was hoping for a 3rd rounder. I also did mention that a 4th rounder is more likely.

However, look at the situation. What good is it for the Texans to just release him outright? You dont think they could have gotten a 7th rounder for him? Sure they could have, and a 7th rounder beats getting nothing for him. So, there must be a reason for it. Otherwise, purely idiotic move by the Texans. I know Charlie is smarter than that, so I would say that its safe to assume that this move was made to clear space for something bigger.

Take this info along with the fact that Casserly has talked about not staying put at 13 and youve got yourself an interesting situation. I would say that he has something up his sleeve and that draft day will be a big day for the Texans.

The flaw in your conspiracy theory is that there is nothing to stop them from trading him for a 7th round pick and making a move for "something bigger". In fact it is basically identical, since the rookie salary pool is separate.

How long are you going to cling to the fantasy that he had trade value? He had none- his contract made him untradeable. That's why he was released. Repeat after me: He had no trade value. He had no trade value. He had no trade value.

[rezdawg]

Originally posted by SamFisher
The flaw in your conspiracy theory is that there is nothing to stop them from trading him for a 7th round pick and making a move for "something bigger". In fact it is basically identical, since the rookie salary pool is separate.

How long are you going to cling to the fantasy that he had trade value? He had none- his contract made him untradeable. That's why he was released. Repeat after me: He had no trade value. He had no trade value. He had no trade value.

As long as you are clinging to the fact that Barron is the answer at LT, I will continue to cling on to my fantasy of Sharper having trade value.

When you realize that Barron isnt a good pick at 13, I will give you that Sharper sucks balls.

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by rezdawg
As long as you are clinging to the fact that Barron is the answer at LT, I will continue to cling on to my fantasy of Sharper having trade value.

When you realize that Barron isnt a good pick at 13, I will give you that Sharper sucks balls.

LOL what? I'm not even saying that Barron is good, I'm saying it's absurd that you have automatically decided that he's a bust based on a whim.

As for Sharper - I never said he sucks, I said he was untradable - it is a proven fact that he was, proven by his release yesterday.

[rezdawg]

Originally posted by SamFisher
LOL what? I'm not even saying that Barron is good, I'm saying it's absurd that you have automatically decided that he's a bust based on a whim.

As for Sharper - I never said he sucks, I said he was untradable - it is a proven fact that he was, proven by his release yesterday.

Im not saying that he is a bust. He just isnt that much better than Wand, IMO. I think Wand will make big improvement this year and that is why I see it as a wasted selection if we go after Barron with our first pick. We can improve different parts of this team more dramatically if we go a different route with our first pick.

As for Sharper, I would say that he F'ed himself by coming out and asking to be released. Looking back, this was the reason he may have become untradeable. Had he kept quiet, teams may have been more willing to get involved in a trade. And a trade would have assured Sharper of keeping that bloated contract of his. Now, he has to find a team to sign him...at a lower price.

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by rezdawg
Im not saying that he is a bust. He just isnt that much better than Wand, IMO. I think Wand will make big improvement this year and that is why I see it as a wasted selection if we go after Barron with our first pick. We can improve different parts of this team more dramatically if we go a different route with our first pick.

As for Sharper, I would say that he F'ed himself by coming out and asking to be released. Looking back, this was the reason he may have become untradeable. Had he kept quiet, teams may have been more willing to get involved in a trade. And a trade would have assured Sharper of keeping that bloated contract of his. Now, he has to find a team to sign him...at a lower price.

What part of 6 million dollar salary for slightly above average LB do you not get? No team in their right mind would trade for him at that price. That's why nobody did.

Sharper asked to be released earlier because he knew he was going to be released later.

[rezdawg]

Originally posted by SamFisher
What part of 6 million dollar salary for slightly above average LB do you not get? No team in their right mind would trade for him at that price. That's why nobody did.

Sharper asked to be released earlier because he knew he was going to be released later.

LOL, so now he's slightly above average? C'mon now. I will give you that 6 million is a hefty price for what he brings, but he is definitely not slightly above average.

On a side note, with this newfound cap space, I think the Texans should cut Gary Walker and absorb all the cap hit this year. That contract is brutal.

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by rezdawg
LOL, so now he's slightly above average? C'mon now. I will give you that 6 million is a hefty price for what he brings, but he is definitely not slightly above average.


I have no qualms calling him slightly above average, considering the degree to which you monumentally overestimated his value earlier. He's adequate for what he does, like Len Pasquarelli said he's somewhat limited: solid, won't make mistakes, but he's not ray lewis in there, or anything close

[rezdawg]

Originally posted by SamFisher
I have no qualms calling him slightly above average, considering the degree to which you monumentally overestimated his value earlier. He's adequate for what he does, like Len Pasquarelli said he's somewhat limited: solid, won't make mistakes, but he's not ray lewis in there, or anything close

Well, shoot, I think everyone knows he is nowhere near Ray Lewis, but he is a solid LB, in the echelon of "Not quite Pro Bowl material, but almost".

Just one more thing, how do I find out the story behind "sura faints"? Its killing me softly.

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by rezdawg
Well, shoot, I think everyone knows he is nowhere near Ray Lewis, but he is a solid LB, in the echelon of "Not quite Pro Bowl material, but almost".

Just one more thing, how do I find out the story behind "sura faints"? Its killing me softly.

You've been spending too much time in this forum....

sura faints (http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=92902&highlight=sura+faint)

[rezdawg]

Originally posted by SamFisher
You've been spending too much time in this forum....

sura faints (http://bbs2.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=92902&highlight=sura+faint)

Thanks :D

And yes, I need to branch out a little more.

[rezdawg]

Mock draft from NFL Draft Countdown...

1. SF - Aaron Rodgers
2. Miami - Ronnie Brown
3. Cleveland - Alex Smith
4. Chicago - Cedric Benson
5. Tampa Bay - Mike Williams
6. Tennessee - Alex Barron
7. Minnesota - Braylon Edwards
8. Arizona - Antrel Rolle
9. Washington - Pacman Jones
10. Detroit - Derrick Johnson
11. Dallas - Shawne Merriman
12. San Diego - Marcus Spears
13. Houston - DeMarcus Ware
To say the linebacker corps in Houston are going through some restructuring this offseason would be an understatement. Jay Foreman is gone, Jamie Sharper will likely be either traded or released, Kailee Wong is being moved inside and Morlon Greenwood was signed as a free agent. That leaves one spot on the outside still open opposite of Jason Babin and an ideal fit in that role would seem to be Demarcus Ware, whose stock is skyrocketing. A dynamic pass rusher, Ware has tremendous speed off the edge and showed in Mobile at the Senior Bowl that he can dominate against top competition. One area the team is reportedly looking to address that may surprise some people is wide receiver so don't rule out someone like Troy Williamson being a very realistic option for them here. Houston has also been looking to land a top left tackle (take note of their courtship of Orlando Pace earlier this year) so if Alex Barron somehow fell this far he would receive serious consideration as well. And finally, the defensive line is solid but could use an infusion of youth if for nothing else other than depth at both end and tackle. As you can see the Texans have a number of options but Ware is such a great fit for their scheme that he would be tough to pass on, although the whispers are becoming increasingly louder in regards to the team targeting a top wideout such as Williamson with this selection so watch that situation as it develops over the next couple of weeks.
14. Panthers - Cadillac Williams
15. Chiefs - David Pollack
16. Saints - Thomas Davis
17. Bengals - Travis Johnson
18. Vikings - Erasmus James
19. Rams - Jammal Brown
20. Cowboys - Troy Williamson
21. Jaguars - Khalif Barnes
22. Ravens - Mark Clayton
23. Seahawks - Darryl Blackstock
24. Packers - Brodney Pool
25. Broncos - Carlos Rogers
26. Jets - Heath Miller
27. Falcons - Dan Cody
28. Chargers - Roddy White
29. Colts - Fabian Washington
30. Steelers - Matt Jones
31. Eagles - Shaun Cody
32. Patriots - Channing Crowder

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html

[xcrunner51]

taken from ESPN Insider Rumor Central:

Apr. 13 - A lot of people think the Texans will draft an offensive lineman because of their attempt to sign Rams left tackle Orlando Pace. They are misreading things, according to John Clayton. The Texans aren't desperate for offensive line help. They like right tackle Todd Wade and still believe Seth Wand will develop into a good left tackle.

The Texans would love to have a running back such as Cadillac Williams or Cedric Benson fall to them at No. 13. They would also like to get a wide receiver, particularly Troy Williamson. The only way they take a tackle in the first round is if he rates out better than other players and is the best player on the board. Tackle isn't a need pick for them.


DAMN, Cedric Benson or Cadillac Williams would be beautiful, we'd have an amazing running game with Benson doing N/S running and DD doing the cutbacks out to the sides.

[RocketMan Tex]

Don't mean to derail the draft talk, but I just got word that I am flying to Baltimore the weekend of 12/4 to see the Texans play the Ravens. My brother lives there and got the ducats. WOOHOO!

[Groogrux]

Originally posted by RocketMan Tex
Don't mean to derail the draft talk, but I just got word that I am flying to Baltimore the weekend of 12/4 to see the Texans play the Ravens. My brother lives there and got the ducats. WOOHOO!

That's awesome.

And I'm glad you took our talk to heart last night. :D

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
That's awesome.

And I'm glad you took our talk to heart last night. :D

Yep...didn't know what I'd been missing! :D

[Colt45]

Originally posted by RocketMan Tex
Don't mean to derail the draft talk, but I just got word that I am flying to Baltimore the weekend of 12/4 to see the Texans play the Ravens. My brother lives there and got the ducats. WOOHOO!

A couple of us over on HPF.com are looking to get a Texans tailgate going for the Ravens game. If you're interested, I'll keep you up on the details as they progress.

[gucci888]

Originally posted by xcrunner51
taken from ESPN Insider Rumor Central:

Apr. 13 - A lot of people think the Texans will draft an offensive lineman because of their attempt to sign Rams left tackle Orlando Pace. They are misreading things, according to John Clayton. The Texans aren't desperate for offensive line help. They like right tackle Todd Wade and still believe Seth Wand will develop into a good left tackle.

The Texans would love to have a running back such as Cadillac Williams or Cedric Benson fall to them at No. 13. They would also like to get a wide receiver, particularly Troy Williamson. The only way they take a tackle in the first round is if he rates out better than other players and is the best player on the board. Tackle isn't a need pick for them.


DAMN, Cedric Benson or Cadillac Williams would be beautiful, we'd have an amazing running game with Benson doing N/S running and DD doing the cutbacks out to the sides.

Thanks for posting the Insider article, but I doubt the Texans are looking for a back. Obviously, IF Benson did fall to 13 (which he won't), we would take him, but I think the Texans need something more than a RB.

[rikesh316]

3rd round pick was Vernand Morency of Oklahoma State. Solid pick-up, simliar to Dominack Davis.

[swilkins]

I don't see Morency as anything more than a 3rd down back. He will also work on special teams I'm sure. Capers is known to multi-tast limited players.

Tony Hollings is probably the one that should fear his job as he is injury prone.

I don't think DD was drafted to be a premier RB, rather a special teams guy and a 3rd down back.

VM could prove me wrong. In what I've read he lacks the break away speed, is not a receiver type RB, and is prone to fumbling. These are things that a RB coach can fix over time.

With us releasing all these money players, I wonder who we're saving up for.

It has to be an offensive player. Perhaps a receiver?

[Joe Joe]

Vernand Morency is being brought in to compete for the starting RB spot, but will end up a backup at start of season most likely. Hollings has probably already been downgraded to fourth back behind Wells.

Morency probably won't be a third down back, IMO. He's more of a first, second down kind of guy until he can show receiving skills. He used blocks pretty well when I saw him and he seemed to have enough speed to take it to the house when he got into the open field. He doesn't have enough speed to run on the outside, but most don't in NFL.

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by swilkins
I don't see Morency as anything more than a 3rd down back. He will also work on special teams I'm sure. Capers is known to multi-tast limited players.

Tony Hollings is probably the one that should fear his job as he is injury prone.

I don't think DD was drafted to be a premier RB, rather a special teams guy and a 3rd down back.

VM could prove me wrong. In what I've read he lacks the break away speed, is not a receiver type RB, and is prone to fumbling. These are things that a RB coach can fix over time.

With us releasing all these money players, I wonder who we're saving up for.

It has to be an offensive player. Perhaps a receiver?

There's really nobody out there though. OL is the most crying need that has yet to be addressed at all this offseason (unless you count a 5th round draft pick)

[gucci888]

Originally posted by SamFisher
There's really nobody out there though. OL is the most crying need that has yet to be addressed at all this offseason (unless you count a 5th round draft pick)

That's probably my biggest concern for the season. There is a lot of time left so hopefully the Texans will address the OL problem. And that 5th rounder center we picked up doesn't count like you said. ;)

[RocketFan007]

originally posted by SamFisher
There's really nobody out there though. OL is the most crying need that has yet to be addressed at all this offseason (unless you count a 5th round draft pick)

There isn't anyone out there right now, but maybe they're targeting some guys who may be June 1 cuts.

[swilkins]

Looks like Mathis is turning some heads.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/texans/3162205

[tierre_brown]

THANK GOD JJ MOSES WAS LET GO!

(according to houstonprofootball, anyway)

[swilkins]

So now it looks like Pitts is moving back to left tackle. Riley is also going to try out for the spot and Shelton is in town.

I'm sick of indecisiveness on the most important position on the offense.

Damn you Boselli.:mad:

[Blatz]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/0603shelton-ON.html

Associated Press
Jun. 3, 2005 08:05 PM

CLEVELAND - Former Arizona Cardinals offensive tackle L.J. Shelton agreed to terms on a one-year contract with the Cleveland Browns on Friday, giving the club insurance in case Ross Verba holds out for a bigger contract....

[mulletman]

Originally posted by Blatz
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/0603shelton-ON.html

Associated Press
Jun. 3, 2005 08:05 PM

CLEVELAND - Former Arizona Cardinals offensive tackle L.J. Shelton agreed to terms on a one-year contract with the Cleveland Browns on Friday, giving the club insurance in case Ross Verba holds out for a bigger contract....

@#%@##$^%$% :mad: :(

[SamFisher]

So now it looks like Pitts is moving back to left tackle. Riley is also going to try out for the spot and Shelton is in town.

I'm sick of indecisiveness on the most important position on the offense.

Damn you Boselli.:mad:


I take it that means the Seth Wand experiment failed now that he has been supplanted by the mediocre player he replaced.

Casserly's OL building job has been a huge embarrassment - particularly in the draft, he has whiffed by inexplicably not drafting OL at all despite all the problems the Texans have.

[Dubious]

This week is without pads, It's a time where everyone is learning their responsibilities, especially the timing for the new short drop passing game (nobody has said west coast offense for some reason). It's a good time to experiment and prepare to move players in case of injury.

I wouldn't read too much into it yet.

[swilkins]

Here is a new article by Miss Manfull.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/texans/3226001

Typical non-eventful offseason article, but I thought one of Dom's quotes were interesting.

"So now the next step for us is the biggest and most difficult step to take. And the only way to do it is if you have guys who understand what it does take and I think we have more players on this team right now with more experience and they understand what it does take."

Didn't we just get rid of experienced players for young athletic players.

Make up your mind dude, is he gonna sh!t or is he gonna kill us.

[Blatz]

Who was the Texans running back that broke his leg in a pre season game last year? Is he still with the team and are they expecting him to compete for a roster spot this year?

[523744]

..just got back from first colony mall...saw dunta robinson there...i dont think anyone knew it was him. lol just felt like sharing with yall cuz havent seen any of texans in person before.

[leroy420]

..just got back from first colony mall...saw dunta robinson there...i dont think anyone knew it was him. lol just felt like sharing with yall cuz havent seen any of texans in person before.

I met Sloan Thomas and Brian Pittman (long snapper) at the Austin Dave & Busters. They were on a lunch break during their summer press tour through Central Texas. Very nice guys.

[Blatz]

Who was the Texans running back that broke his leg in a pre season game last year?...


Darn it ( :) ) nobody knows who I'm trying to think of? I've searched the preseason game threads last year but I didn't see any mention of it. Another Texan I've been trying to remember is the one who injured his back or neck in the very first scrimmage or practice session with the Cowboys. He was carried off on a stretcher and I believe he was let go a couple of weeks later.

Any help?

[RocketFan007]

Who was the Texans running back that broke his leg in a pre season game last year? Is he still with the team and are they expecting him to compete for a roster spot this year?

Jason Anderson, I don't think he has much chance to make the team.

[Blatz]

Jason Anderson, I don't think he has much chance to make the team.

Thank you very much. It was bugging me, I've been reading old articles about last year preseason games and none of them helped. :)

[RocketFan007]

Another Texan I've been trying to remember is the one who injured his back or neck in the very first scrimmage or practice session with the Cowboys. He was carried off on a stretcher and I believe he was let go a couple of weeks later.

Any help?

Leomont Evans.

[Ming Dynasty]

Evans was injured in the 2002 Hall of Fame Game against the Giants, not against the Cowboys. He wasn't let go a couple weeks later. Injured players are sent to the injured reserve list. Evans wasn't re-signed for 2003.

[leroy420]

17 days and counting until players report to camp. Not sure how much longer I can wait.

[mateo]

Have tickets gone on sale yet?

[Lil Francis]

Have tickets gone on sale yet? Single game tickets go on sale July 22 at 10 am. Training Camp tickets available July16 at 11am (Foley's ticket master only)

[rrj_gamz]

Single game tickets go on sale July 22 at 10 am. Training Camp tickets available July16 at 11am (Foley's ticket master only)

Thanks for the info...I can't wait...I'll be buying them online...

[mateo]

Cool...I'm coming back to Houston on Dec 17 for xmas break and want to catch the AZ and STL games.

[stevel]

I take it that means the Seth Wand experiment failed now that he has been supplanted by the mediocre player he replaced.

Casserly's OL building job has been a huge embarrassment - particularly in the draft, he has whiffed by inexplicably not drafting OL at all despite all the problems the Texans have.

Pitts played fairly well at tackle in year two (the fewest sack allowed during their existence). I don't think this means Wand has failed. He is a massive man that might have more success against the larger tackles inside that rely on strength vs speed. Plus there weren't many games I watched where I thought Wand was the only problem. Additionally in the last few drafts there have not been any great OLs that we could have drafted. We are a young team and the smartest strategy is to draft the best player available. Drafting for need is a dangerous game, if you take best available you are constantly improving your overall talent pool. Tackles are probably the hardest players in the game to find. They had a slight chance to get Pace and they were ready to open up the wallet for him. In the end he ended up using us to get to SL to drop some fat cash. The OL will straighten itself out. You have to remember that they also switched the scheme last year, and that also clearly had an effect on their overall performance.

[redgoose]

Looks like Carr won't be a happy camper again this year. Too bad. I don't want to have to wait a 4th year to see what the #1 overall guy in the draft can do. Nobody should. However, i have to give Carr props. He hasn't complained about the line one bit, even when the media tries to egg him on. There's alot of QB's that would have said something about their protection. If the guy does get seriously injured from a sack, their will be a media frenzy, and a few jobs in jeopardy.

[stevel]

Looks like Carr won't be a happy camper again this year. Too bad. I don't want to have to wait a 4th year to see what the #1 overall guy in the draft can do. Nobody should. However, i have to give Carr props. He hasn't complained about the line one bit, even when the media tries to egg him on. There's alot of QB's that would have said something about their protection. If the guy does get seriously injured from a sack, their will be a media frenzy, and a few jobs in jeopardy.

I expect the line to do a better job overall this year. Second year in the system, and the coaches have a better idea of who should play where. Our running game should be much imporved as well. I hope that we might be able to pick up a TE once teams start cutting guys (like whent he Titans picked up Wychek from the Redskins). I would like to see Carr ust the TE a little more instead of dumping the ball to DD all the time. My help DD stay on the field for more games.

[solid]

The Texans did virtually nothing to improve the weakest part of the team, the offensive line. I expect Carr to run for his life again this year. I have always viewed the Texans as a class organization, but, this year they had a serious brain lapse. Unless they trade for an offensive lineman, plan on another below .500 season.

[Lil Francis]

The Texans did virtually nothing to improve the weakest part of the team, the offensive line. I expect Carr to run for his life again this year. I have always viewed the Texans as a class organization, but, this year they had a serious brain lapse. Unless they trade for an offensive lineman, plan on another below .500 season.If that happens then you can expect some major coaching changes.

[rikesh316]

DD's new contract is through 2008 worth 22 million with 8 million in guarntees. Pretty cap friendly which is great.

[Uprising]

Anyone else watch the ABC 13 Texans program? It was called "One Step Closer", damn. That really got me pumped up! (I know it wasn't made by ch13, I was just referring to the channel that broadcasted it)

[stevel]

The Texans did virtually nothing to improve the weakest part of the team, the offensive line. I expect Carr to run for his life again this year. I have always viewed the Texans as a class organization, but, this year they had a serious brain lapse. Unless they trade for an offensive lineman, plan on another below .500 season.


What did you want them to do? Who was available that we could have realistically gotten? They tried to get Pace, and Pace used them. None, I repeat NONE, of the tackles available in the first round of this draft would have started on out team, so why not take a very good DT to backup an aging Walker and Payne (coming off injuries). They switched schemes last year and it takes time to learn, add to that it was Wand's first year. In year 2, 610am interivewed Boselli and asked him about Wand. The guy was extremely complementary about him when he did not have to be. That should tell you the guy has talent. The line will be fine, and Carr's sack numbers will drop because 1) the line will play better due to experience with the system 2) Carr will use shorter drops and get rid of the ball more quickly. They will be fine.

[leroy420]

I do think the line will improve. I would like to see Victor Riley get a real shot at starting. With the shorter routes from the WR, Carr should have a much better and less painful season.

I also think that Mathis is going to emerge as the #2 WR pretty early, if not in Week 1. As long as he's got good hands, that speed will give him an advantage over most corners. I'm still not sure why they bothered to bring Bradford back. I think he might be looking at #4 or #5 receiver at this point. Mathis, Gaffney and Armstrong could all be ahead of him.

[solid]

What did you want them to do? They will be fine.
I wanted them to draft Oklahoma tackle Jammal Brown or trade for an offensive lineman with another team. I hope you are right, but I still have this picture in my head of Carr running for his life. Don't believe the hype, the offensive line is a huge questionmark. And if the right answer doesn't emerge, big trouble, big disappointment. Bottomline, the Texans dropped the ball on this one and will be very lucky if it doesn't cost them the season.

[swilkins]

I'm pumped and ready for tonight's game.

Who else will be there?

[stevel]

I wanted them to draft Oklahoma tackle Jammal Brown or trade for an offensive lineman with another team. I hope you are right, but I still have this picture in my head of Carr running for his life. Don't believe the hype, the offensive line is a huge questionmark. And if the right answer doesn't emerge, big trouble, big disappointment. Bottomline, the Texans dropped the ball on this one and will be very lucky if it doesn't cost them the season.

I have to disagree. Jamal Brown is a good run blocker, but will be questionable in the passing game (BTW that is the scouting report on Wand). There was no way the Texans could have traded for an OT, they would have gotten raped. Teams aren't going to trade good OTs, as they are too hard to find. We would have given up way too much and would have paid the price later on down the road. We don't have enough overall talent to give up a bunch of picks for 1 player- if you could even find a team willing to trade a good LT.

I do understand the O-line is a question mark, but again this will be the second year in the "zone" blocking scheme - ie they should improve. Their young guys (Wand and Pitts - OG new position) should be better due to more experience. Additionally they will change their scheme on O (I believe they will resemble more of a west coast offense - shorter routes and more timing routes) which will help Carr get rid of the ball faster - not to mention Carr's maturation will help him avoid sacks. Also, Victor Riley could certainly emerge as a factor as he has been a pretty good OT over the years.

[solid]

I have to disagree.

I sincerely hope you are right, but I have my doubts. We will soon see.

[SamFisher]

What did you want them to do? Who was available that we could have realistically gotten? They tried to get Pace, and Pace used them. None, I repeat NONE, of the tackles available in the first round of this draft would have started on out team, so why not take a very good DT to backup an aging Walker and Payne (coming off injuries). They switched schemes last year and it takes time to learn, add to that it was Wand's first year. In year 2, 610am interivewed Boselli and asked him about Wand. The guy was extremely complementary about him when he did not have to be. That should tell you the guy has talent. The line will be fine, and Carr's sack numbers will drop because 1) the line will play better due to experience with the system 2) Carr will use shorter drops and get rid of the ball more quickly. They will be fine.

First round - fine. What about the other 6 rounds of the draft? Or the draft before? Or the one before? And I find it hard to believe that "none" of the available tackles would start when the Texans were apparently looking at moving awful Pitts back to T to replace the piss-awful Wand at one point this summer. Wand stinks, and being a 3rd round sleeper (if he's lucky) without much of a reputation - just idly hoping he gets better seems silly. When used-up players like Zach Wiegert can walk in off the street and become one of the anchors of the OL, you have huge problems. It's not a "new system", it's the fact that the personnel running the system sucks. Bad. Probably worse than anybody in the NFL, due to the simple fact that the area has not been addressed sufficiently in any offseason since the Boselli plan backfired 3 years ago.