Texans to draft #13

[rikesh316]

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/order.html

You see them drafting. I see a wide reciever or Defensive or Offensive Lineman.

[Lil Francis]

Braylon Edwards? Antrell Rolle? Derrick Johnson? Thomas Davis?
Trade up and get a QB? :p

[Raven Lunatic]

I'd say O or D line. If not that, I think they would probably go cornerback again over another WR. We already have two good quality WR in Gaff and Andre. The third slot can be filled by one of the many talented WRs we have as depth. Probably Armstrong, who has shown flashes of brilliance at times. Personally, I'd like to see them use a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a top level TE, if there is still one available.

[Rileydog]

Will Derrick Johnson be available at 13? He is a playmaker. We need a defensive playmaker, especially at linebacker. I would seriously consider moving up to get this guy.

[JPM0016]

Originally posted by Rileydog
Will Derrick Johnson be available at 13?

Not a chance. He'll be gone quick.

The offensive and defensive lines have to be addressed. Of those two positions i would take the best available player on the board at #13.

[SamCassell]

I'd be happy if the Texans used every pick this season on the O and D lines.

[bobmarley]

If we can't get a top flight Gaurd in the 1st then I say we draft the best available OLB, CB, DT, or SS

[mulletman]

my wish:

OL in the 1st round
DL in the 2nd round

[ima_drummer2k]

I kind of hope we trade down for extra picks although I don't know if that's possible with the 13th pick. We have too many needs to trade up.

Given our track record of drafting in the late rounds, I'd feel pretty good about trading down for an extra pick or two.

[Joe Joe]

I doubt the Texans draft a DLinemen in 1st unless the guy is a monster. That said, monsters are drafted in top 4. I expect the Texans to draft two Dlinemen in rounds 2-4 if they don't trade up for Rolle, DJ, or another defensive playmaker.

Oline is possible in first, but I see the Texans drafting an interior lineman in the 2nd or 3rd to replace Weigert or Mckinney. Baas of Michigan looked pretty good against Wright of Texas and he might still be there in the 2nd rd.

I'm hoping for a middle linebacker to replace Foreman or a corner to replace Glenn.

[ROXRAN]

Get an offensive lineman! At pick no. 13, and considering the college prospects, it will be an impact type pick...

[RocketFan007]

13 won't be high enough to take either of the elite OTs in the draft, D'Brickishaw Ferguson (if he comes out) and Alex Barron, and it's likely to high to take the top guard Elton Brown.

[Groogrux]

I'd love Wright if he decides to forgo his senior year.

[leroy420]

I'd kill for Derrick Johnson, but that ain't happening. I'll predict now that the Chiefs trade up to get him. They've never been able to replace Derrick Thomas since he passed away and DJ might just be the one to do it.

I don't think that OLB is a necessity. Babin came on late in the season. Wong is still good. I wouldn't mind if he moved inside and Peek got the start on the outside. Either way, we will see a lot more of Peek in 2005.

I don't think that Seth Payne will be back. I hope they cut every member of the OL. So, obviously I think that O & D line has to be the main priority.

Also, there is the going to be the possibility that Tony Banks won't be back. He has said if he can get a starting gig somewhere he will be gone but he will stay if it means being a back up. If he's gone, do any of you want Dave Ragone to be the one behind the one? I don't.

CB depth might be an issue if Faggins gets a deal elsewhere.

Personally, I'm fine with the WR depth. A better O-line will make Carr, AJ, DD and the other receivers better. I think Derrick Armstrong can be very good in the #3 role.

[SamFisher]

Line, line, line and line.

Might as well stock up on DL's if Capers ass gets fired next year and they have to play a real defense, cause this 3-4 thing ain't working out the way its supposed to.

[SamCassell]

Don't know what you call a "real defense", but Pittsburgh and New England both run a 3-4. It's an execution problem, or a Xs and Os problem, but the 3-4 scheme itself is proven to work.

[rrj_gamz]

Hell, I thought the Texans traded their 2005 1st round pick for Babin in 2004...Anyway, an OL & DL is a necessity, not a luxury...

[cuttino]

Originally posted by rrj_gamz
Hell, I thought the Texans traded their 2005 1st round pick for Babin in 2004...Anyway, an OL & DL is a necessity, not a luxury...

It's almost as bad...they traded half of their 2004 draft for Babin. A 2, 3, 4 (and a swap of picks in the 5th). I still have high hopes for Babin (Capers has a reputation for developing LBs), but year one was a little underwhelming (based on what we traded away).

We have all our picks this year, plus the Cowboy's third rounder (Henson trade). I'll ditto what everyone else is saying - our needs are in the trenches. We need to build quality depth at just about every position though.

[UTweezer]

Originally posted by Rileydog
Will Derrick Johnson be available at 13? He is a playmaker. We need a defensive playmaker, especially at linebacker. I would seriously consider moving up to get this guy.
he'll go 1 or fall to 2 at the most

[UTweezer]

we should have just kept steve foley, instead of letting him go to the chargers...

[Fegwu]

Originally posted by UTweezer
he'll go 1 or fall to 2 at the most

Methinks that is too high for DJ. I see him going 3 or 4 depending on what he does in the combines.

He was kinda of quite early in that Rosebowl game.

We just have too many holes to feel. Trading down makes sense if no stud or standout is reachable.

[UTweezer]

Originally posted by Fegwu
Methinks that is too high for DJ. I see him going 3 or 4 depending on what he does in the combines.

He was kinda of quite early in that Rosebowl game.

We just have too many holes to feel. Trading down makes sense if no stud or standout is reachable.

I hope Babin is what Capers thinks he can be...we could have used all those picks to get OL help...which we need in the worst way...

[leroy420]

Originally posted by Fegwu
Methinks that is too high for DJ. I see him going 3 or 4 depending on what he does in the combines.

He was kinda of quite early in that Rosebowl game.

We just have too many holes to feel. Trading down makes sense if no stud or standout is reachable.

Michigan's offensive game plan was centered around controlling DJ. That is why Aaron Harris was free to make just about every important play.

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by SamCassell
Don't know what you call a "real defense", but Pittsburgh and New England both run a 3-4. It's an execution problem, or a Xs and Os problem, but the 3-4 scheme itself is proven to work.

Well, the master of it has been around for 3 years now and has managed to cumulatively generate among the most, if not the most anemic pass rush in the league over that same time period.

The funny part is the whole idea of the scheme is that it's supposedly easier to find players that fit it and to pressure the QB than a convetional scheme. Not so far.

[rocketlaunch]

another cb would do wonders for this team... if you can get rolle he can possibly push aaron glenn to the nickle since ag is losing it. With rolle and dunta.. assuming rolle can play fairly well you have two great cover corners. This will help with the pass rush because the other teams qb will take longer to find the open man.

Or I would take the best impact player avilable on the board cb, wr, lb... and the rest of the picks go ol and dl

[rocketlaunch]

Originally posted by SamFisher
Well, the master of it has been around for 3 years now and has managed to cumulatively generate among the most, if not the most anemic pass rush in the league over that same time period.

The funny part is the whole idea of the scheme is that it's supposedly easier to find players that fit it and to pressure the QB than a convetional scheme. Not so far.

it is the players that we have... pitt has been running this def for a while now and have over time have gained depth which makes them stronger.

[SA Rocket]

Anybody have ESPN Insider that can post who Kiper has in the top 15-20 at this point?

[bottlerocket]

Any decent Safetys out there?

[steddinotayto]

i hope they don't draft a WR. we got a Pro-Bowl receiver on the team and we still haven't made good use of him. it's a shame that we can't put "Carr and Johnson" in the same breath as "Manning and Harrison" or "Culpepper and Moss"....yet I hope

[lpbman]

Crowder (Sp?) from Florida is a playmaking linebacker... but I bet you guys end up with Marcus Spears

you can also pay Darren Howard some $$ and draft O line

[Joe Joe]

Originally posted by SA Rocket
Anybody have ESPN Insider that can post who Kiper has in the top 15-20 at this point?

I don't have insider, but you can see the top 25 here without it:
http://espn.go.com/melkiper/index.html


Player Class Pos. School Stock
1. Cedric Benson Sr. RB Texas
Four straight years with over 1,000 yards.
2. Ronnie Brown Sr. RB Auburn
A complete, explosive back who does it all.
3. Carnell Williams Sr. RB Auburn
Very creative and deceptively strong runner.
4. Mike Williams Jr. WR USC
Terrific combo of size and strength.
5. Dan Cody Sr. DT Oklahoma
A fiery, intense end who's coming on strong
6. Erasmus James Sr. DE Wisconsin
Outstanding pass rusher who can play the run.
7. Derrick Johnson Sr. LB Texas
Strength, speed and a nose for the ball.
8. Travis Johnson Sr. DT Fla. St.
Vastly improved and a dominant performer.
9. Braylon Edwards Sr. WR Michigan
Has the size, speed and athleticism to dominate.
10. Matt Roth Sr. DE Iowa
An outstanding natural pass rusher.
11. Alex Barron Sr. OT Fla. St.
6-6, 320 and an excellent pass blocker.
12. Shaun Cody Sr. DL USC
Vesrsatile performer at DT or DE.
13. Jammal Brown Sr. OT Oklahoma
Equally adept at pass and run blocking.
14. Marcus Spears Sr. DE LSU
Had 13 tackles for loss and six sacks in '03.
15. David Pollack Sr. DE Georgia
Incredible intensity and passion.
16. Antrel Rolle Sr. CB Miami
Great in coverage and a good tackler.
17. Charlie Frye Sr. QB Akron
Another standout MAC passer.
18. Bryant McFadden Sr. CB Fla. St.
Good athletic ability and willing in run support.
19. Adam Terry Sr. OT Syracuse
Perhaps the nation's most athletic tackle.
20. Mark Clayton Sr. WR Oklahoma
The best WR in years after the catch.
21. Carlos Rogers Sr. DB Auburn
Auburn's best defensive player this season.
22. Alex Smith Sr. TE Stanford
Leads the Cardinal in receptions.
23. Mark Bradley Sr. WR Oklahoma
Also a special-teams standout.
24. Marcus Johnson Sr. OG Ole Miss
45 consecutive starts heading into November.
25. Corey Webster Sr. DB LSU
A blue-chiper slowed early on by injury.

[rrj_gamz]

Is Matt Leinart staying for his Sr. year? Don't see any QB's going to be picked in the first round, but that's my opinion...

[SamCassell]

Ced #1? I dunno. He's a great college back, but the two best teams he faced this season both shut him down for the most part.

It looks like there are alot of highly rated linemen, on both sides of the ball. I like the Texans' chances of landing an impact player.

[leroy420]

Originally posted by SamCassell
Ced #1? I dunno. He's a great college back, but the two best teams he faced this season both shut him down for the most part.

It looks like there are alot of highly rated linemen, on both sides of the ball. I like the Texans' chances of landing an impact player.

Michigan's entire defensive game plan was to shut down Cedric. They did it so well that they forgot about Vince Young. Most pro teams have many other options to guard against that. Ced will be a fantastic pro RB. He's got the speed, power, patience, and agility to be a constant 1,000 yd RB in the NFL.

I'd be willing to bet that the Texans will chose one of the OL or DL on that list with the 13th pick. Especially Barron.

[ChenZhen]

we jumped from #16 to #13 after that loss on Sunday. That might end up being huge for us in the draft.

[gunn]

Originally posted by leroy420


I'd be willing to bet that the Texans will chose one of the OL or DL on that list with the 13th pick. Especially Barron.

Kiper's list is made up of only seniors and does not include underclassmen. Barron will not be around when the Texans select at 13. The Titans and Bears and Browns, all of whom select before us, desperately need a left tackle.

[leroy420]

Originally posted by gunn
Kiper's list is made up of only seniors and does not include underclassmen. Barron will not be around when the Texans select at 13. The Titans and Bears and Browns, all of whom select before us, desperately need a left tackle.

Mike Williams is on there as a junior. His list will be updated as the underclassmen declare for the draft. In the last 24 hours Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers and Vernand Morency declared. There will be many more.

I wonder where Maurice Clarett is on Kiper's list.

[Groogrux]

Originally posted by leroy420
Mike Williams is on there as a junior. His list will be updated as the underclassmen declare for the draft.

But we knew for a fact that Mike Williams would be in the draft this year.

[Fegwu]

The more underclassmen declare for the draft the better for us. We stole Dunta last draft and I believe we will be poised to still another quality CB, OL or LB in the first 2 rounds.

Hey how is our injured tight end, Jopru [sp?], doing now? Is he officially done?

[leroy420]

Originally posted by Fegwu
The more underclassmen declare for the draft the better for us. We stole Dunta last draft and I believe we will be poised to still another quality CB, OL or LB in the first 2 rounds.

Hey how is our injured tight end, Jopru [sp?], doing now? Is he officially done?

Bennie Jopru was pretty close to coming back this season. They almost activated him in mid-season but chose to IR him instead. He should be 100% for next season, barring any more set backs with his groin.

[Fegwu]

Originally posted by leroy420
Bennie Jopru was pretty close to coming back this season. They almost activated him in mid-season but chose to IR him instead. He should be 100% for next season, barring any more set backs with his groin.

Thanks for the info. We could use all the help we can. Maybe he can be as serviceable as Dallas Clark for us in the near future.

[swilkins]

I think we'll lose Payne to free agency and pick up a NT in the draft.

I was hoping we pick up a new left guard and move "the Pitts" to backup. I'm sick of the whole damn OL jumping off sides. They can all go as far as I care. I'm sure Carr wouldn't argue.

[PhiSlammaJamma]

The Titans really helped themselves, drafting #6, and they will probably be very good next year given the fact they were bad due to so many injuries.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by PhiSlammaJamma
The Titans really helped themselves, drafting #6, and they will probably be very good next year given the fact they were bad due to so many injuries.

i don't see it. sans steve mcnair, i don't see it.

and you know they'll lose FAs...they always do.

[Phillyrocket]

Originally posted by PhiSlammaJamma
The Titans really helped themselves, drafting #6, and they will probably be very good next year given the fact they were bad due to so many injuries.

The Titans are waaaaayyyy over the salary cap next year and will lose a boatload of guys unless McNair is let go. And even if McNair is gone they'll still lose some contributors.

[PhiSlammaJamma]

Only 25 million over. It's a good year. LOL

FREE AGENTS
Antowain Smith UFA
Andre Dyson UFA
Carlos Hall RFA
Gary Anderson UFA
Jason McCadelly UFA
Shad Meier i think
Calmus (can be tendered)
Berlin (can be tendered)
Expect Juqua Thomas and Joe Nedney to get released
Doug Johnson i think

Those are not too bad for Titans. Dyson and Hall are big ones. All replaceable at worst. Now if you compare that to the injury list you see what I 'm talking about.

RB Chris Brown (toe)
QB Steve McNair (sternum)
CB Samari Rolle (knee)
S Lance Schulters (foot)
CB Andre Woolfolk (wrist)
WR Drew Bennett (shoulder)
LB Rocky Boiman (calf)
DE Carlos Hall (knee/finger)
DT Albert Haynesworth (elbow)
TE Erron Kinney (ankle)
WR Derrick Mason (ankle)
T Jason Mathews (back)
T Fred Miller (ankle)
S Lamont Thompson (ankle)
QB Billy Volek (knee)

I think the Titans will be back in form next year as long as Volek has successful surgery. McNair and Volek are on about the same talent level in very different ways. So I'm not worried about the offense. The Defense is questionable, but with only 3 starters playing I can't really fault them for giving up 40 points a game. I mean the starting MLB was thought to be a long snapper mistakenly and then he starts for us. That's how bad it got. But if the Titans get everyone back I like our chances.

[MadMax]

McNair was an MVP. McNair put his team on his shoulders. I don't see Volek being an MVP or that sort of player. Ever. Maybe I'm wrong.

[PhiSlammaJamma]

True. Volek is only 2-7 as a starter. Not quite MVP. Not quite McNair.

But, and I say that cautiously, Volek has more passing yards and more td's in those 9 starts than any qb in the history of the nfl. And not by a little, by almost 800 yards, and the second best is Warner and you know what he did. Make of that what you will. Some will make nothing of it. But I can't ignore the fact he has thrown for 400+ twice already. I could ignore 300+ because any game may dictate a 300 yard performace, but 492 yards is sick no matter what the sitation. Especially given he is throwing the ball to injured WR's in Mason and Bennett.

I would have been worried about McNair last year, but Volek proved he could throw consistently this year. The only question now is can he manage a game and get the win. Big question. But I like his chances if McNair goes down.

[Lil Francis]

I think the Texans will lose Demarcus Faggins to Free Agency. As good as that guy is I can't see him signing with the Texans and being a nickle back when he can start for about 10 other teams in the league. If he stays thats great but I don't see it.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by Lil Francis
I think the Texans will lose Demarcus Faggins to Free Agency. As good as that guy is I can't see him signing with the Texans and being a nickle back when he can start for about 10 other teams in the league. If he stays thats great but I don't see it.

that sucks...i like faggins.

[Joe Joe]

Originally posted by MadMax
that sucks...i like faggins.

Won't Faggins be a restricted free agent since he has less than 3 years service? If so, the Texans could have the rights to match any offer for him or get draft compensation for him depending on the size of the one year tender.

[Lil Francis]

Originally posted by Joe Joe
Won't Faggins be a restricted free agent since he has less than 3 years service? If so, the Texans could have the rights to match any offer for him or get draft compensation for him depending on the size of the one year tender. But what if a team like the Chiefs offer him a nice size deal? I doubt the Texans will match that.