Browns @ Texans 1-2-05

[Castor27]

Noon on CBS Chance to make it an 8-8 season.

[Groogrux]

We're gonna end the season on a very high note.

Texans 24
Browns 3

Give up a total of 8 points in the last three games after holding the Colts to only 24 the week before.

[MadMax]

We've gone 11 quarters without giving up a TD. The season best for any team is the Eagles with 12. I think we're likely to beat that.

I say Texans win 31-3.

[Groogrux]

Originally posted by MadMax
We've gone 11 quarters without giving up a TD. The season best for any team is the Eagles with 12. I think we're likely to beat that.

I say Texans win 31-3.

That's awesome!!

[Austin70]

I hope they can show the same fire that they showed last week.

8-8....They can do it.........Best team in Texas.

[rrj_gamz]

Win...The 8-8 is too tempting and will be a real confidence builder for next year....

[ima_drummer2k]

Originally posted by Austin70
Best team in Texas.
And that includes the team that used to be in Texas too.

8-8 here we come. Anyone know what the point spread is? I'll bet it's double digits.

Also, remember when Butch Davis interviewed for the Texans job? He thought he was too hot a commodity to coach an expansion team. :rolleyes:

[moligity]

The Browns lost to Dallas in week 2 in a 19-12 game.


Therefore to extrapolate out to week 17 -- our score should be 56-3 Texans.

There is a fallacy in that reasoning -- but Houston will win BIG.

[swilkins]

34 - 0 Texans

[nWo34Life]

8-8 looks good!

Texans 24
Browns 14

[Blatz]

Lets go Insurance adjusters Lets Go.

I know that commercial has been on for while but I just noticed it.......funny

Texans win

[mateo]

The point spread is ELEVEN!!!!!

Holy moly

[DaDakota]

Wow, 8-8 with a severely overated QB is not too bad.

DD

[ima_drummer2k]

Originally posted by DaDakota
Wow, 8-8 with a severely overated QB is not too bad.

DD
You wouldn't be trying to bait anyone with that post, would you?

[isoman2kx]

Originally posted by DaDakota
Wow, 8-8 with a severely overated QB is not too bad.

DD

ROFL LOL!

[Uprising]

Sweet, first New Years in the USA, then Aggies bowl game....then a Texans win to finish the season! The first few days back in the US are gonna kick ass! :cool:

[MadMax]

Originally posted by DaDakota
Wow, 8-8 with a severely overated QB is not too bad.

DD

The Falcons are better than 8-8, Da Da.

[ROXRAN]

Originally posted by MadMax
The Falcons are better than 8-8, Da Da.

Good one! :D

[Phillyrocket]

This one is gonna get ugly, the Browns are a team in complete disarray playing for nothing more than draft position.

Texans 28
Browns 7

Finish the season 8-8, Beltran signs by the weekend and every Houston fan has a great beginning to the New Year!

[Groogrux]

I'd rather have the record of the "overrated" QB.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
I'd rather have the record of the "overrated" QB.

if you had the 3rd best defense in the NFL, you would.

[Groogrux]

Originally posted by MadMax
if you had the 3rd best defense in the NFL, you would.

Of course I would. Of course, that's not the only reason they've won this year either.

I'm pretty sure I've heard you say this many times in regards to baseball, but stats aren't everything.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
Of course I would. Of course, that's not the only reason they've won this year either.

I'm pretty sure I've heard you say this many times in regards to baseball, but stats aren't everything.

it's certainly not the only reason they won. it's the big reason, in my opinion. in football in particular, a defense can carry a team and lead a very mediocre offense to a super bowl. we've seen that happen a fair amount of times.

i'm not saying the guy is bad. i'm saying he's overrated. i'm saying people make assumptions about how good the guy is based on his name and the exciting plays he makes. and he is undoubtedly an exciting player. but im not sure that giving up 1000+ yards passing to rush 800 yards is a good tradeoff for a QB. and i'm absolutely positive that no player, QB or otherwise, turns the ball over more times.

he is mentioned among the very best in the league. he was named to the Pro Bowl ahead of Favre, who threw more than 2X the TDs he did this year. ahead of Delhomme, who had a kick ass season. i think that's silly. when i think of the best QB's in the game, Vick is not in that strata. it's far easier for me to compare him with average QB's at this point....yes, guys like Carr or Leftwich....than it is for me to compare him to mcnabb, culpepper, favre, manning, brady, etc. to me, he's not there. and i don't think he'll get there. just my opinion.

[Lil Francis]

Time to pad the stats.



Browns 7
Texans 34


Carr 300+yds 3tds 1 Int sacked 3times
Davis 135yds rushing 55rec yds
Johnson 9rec 165yds 2td
Robinson 7tack Int td
Glenn Int


2005 record 11-5

[ROXRAN]

Originally posted by MadMax
it's certainly not the only reason they won. it's the big reason, in my opinion. in football in particular, a defense can carry a team and lead a very mediocre offense to a super bowl. we've seen that happen a fair amount of times.

i'm not saying the guy is bad. i'm saying he's overrated. i'm saying people make assumptions about how good the guy is based on his name and the exciting plays he makes. and he is undoubtedly an exciting player. but im not sure that giving up 1000+ yards passing to rush 800 yards is a good tradeoff for a QB. and i'm absolutely positive that no player, QB or otherwise, turns the ball over more times.

he is mentioned among the very best in the league. he was named to the Pro Bowl ahead of Favre, who threw more than 2X the TDs he did this year. ahead of Delhomme, who had a kick ass season. i think that's silly. when i think of the best QB's in the game, Vick is not in that strata. it's far easier for me to compare him with average QB's at this point....yes, guys like Carr or Leftwich....than it is for me to compare him to mcnabb, culpepper, favre, manning, brady, etc. to me, he's not there. and i don't think he'll get there. just my opinion.

Right on the money...Shut em up! :) ;)

[MadMax]

Originally posted by ROXRAN
Right on the money...Shut em up! :) ;)

not trying to shut anyone up. i love RM95. he's a friend of mine. it's just a football discussion. reasonable minds can disagree on something like this. it's just my opinion.

[ima_drummer2k]

We'll win but it'll be closer than everyone is saying because of the conservative play calling.

[ROXRAN]

Originally posted by MadMax
not trying to shut anyone up. i love RM95. he's a friend of mine. it's just a football discussion. reasonable minds can disagree on something like this. it's just my opinion.

I know about your relationship with him...That is why I added the wink.

The wink is suppose to imply I wasn't serious. Hopefully most reasonable minds can infer from this. ... :)

[MadMax]

Originally posted by ROXRAN
I know about your relationship with him...That is why I added the wink.

The wink is suppose to imply I wasn't serious. Hopefully most reasonable minds can infer from this. ... :)

i'm uncomfortable with the world "relationship" in the post, above. :D

[Groogrux]

Originally posted by MadMax
i'm uncomfortable with the world "relationship" in the post, above. :D

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

:) of course not!!!

[Miguel]

.500

[redgoose]

Finally, this might be a great offensive game to watch.

1 pick by Glenn and 2 by Dunta. Carr easily throws over 300 yards with DD getting at least 200 all purpose yards.

Texans 42
Browns 17

They better not pull our starters early, it's not like we have a game to play next week. Also, i can't wait to see how wrong my predictions are.:D

[mateo]

Ok, so I dropped (and broke) my Sportster on Friday....and there are no receivers anywhere in Manhattan (popular gift, that Sirius). Debating spending $9.95 for the NFL streaming radio on NFL.com.

Anyone ever tried it? Is it worth it? Or should just be happy to watch Jets v. Rams and catch updates.

On a cool side note, my super is a Texans fan and he has no connections whatsoever to Houston. He came up to fix my sink this morning wearing a Texans cap. After I asked him why he chose a team so far away, he said "Carr, AJ, and DD are gonna be great next year."

[Austin70]

Crap, it's not on tv down here, we have the Rams and Jets.

[Master Baiter]

Touchdown Bitches!!!

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

Offense looks good so far, very impressive and consistent drive.

[Master Baiter]

That was a very nice drive. Now we just need the D to buckle down. 8-8, I can just taste it.

[Groogrux]

Did anyone else notice the crowd cheering after the loooong incompletion to AJ? That was funny.

[KaiSeR SoZe]

I hope Payne is ok..he should get plenty of rest but man this hurts

[codell]

Originally posted by KaiSeR SoZe
I hope Payne is ok..he should get plenty of rest but man this hurts

That looked bad.

Hope he is ok. It seems hes the only guy that can get a push into the opponents backfield on a consistent basis.

[ima_drummer2k]

If we don't allow a 1st half TD, we'll have the longest no TD streak in the league this year.

EDIT: Never been so happy to see the opposing team kick a FG in my life. I almost jinxed them.

[codell]

Kelly Holcomb is tearing our D a new one right now. :mad:

Kelly Freaking Holcomb

[Master Baiter]

Our D hasnt done crap

[sonique15]

any updates on Payne yet?

[sonique15]

Our D is stoppin em in the red zone....now if we could only stop em on the rest of the field.....

[mateo]

I'm glad I didnt go to a sportsbar to watch this.

[Master Baiter]

Have the Browns punted yet?

[mateo]

once

[Master Baiter]

Nice run dumbasses. Theres less than two minutes, lets go for a score.

[codell]

Originally posted by Master Baiter
Nice run dumbasses. Theres less than two minutes, lets go for a score.

I dont think we have much of a choice.

Cleveland is using only 4 rushing lineman and is absolutely destroying our offensive line.

[sonique15]

damn...not a great way to go to the half esp. at home.....lets hope the second half is a lil more eventful......

[sonique15]

Originally posted by codell
I dont think we have much of a choice.

Cleveland is using only 4 rushing lineman and is absolutely destroying our offensive line.

who are they beatin to get to Carr? Please dont tell me its still Wand......

[codell]

Holcomb and Antonio Bryant had to be separated after that interception!! lol

Lets see if we can take advantage of this TO here.

[sonique15]

Faggins w/ the pick!!!

[codell]

anotehr sack!!

now we are out of FG range!!

our offensive line should be ashamed of their performance here in the 1st half


the Browns confidence is growing now .........we seemed almost assured of a FG and they have shut us down again

crowd is booing

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

Our offensive line is ****ing horrible. This is pathetic. Carr isn't even getting to his 3rd step without having someone in his face.

[ima_drummer2k]

May I say that watching the way this game is unfolding is a little unsettling...

[adw]

Ughhh that 10 yard penalty and the lack of an o-line just screwed us over :(

[codell]

Originally posted by ima_drummer2k
May I say that watching the way this game is unfolding is a little unsettling...

the way Cleveland is dominating both sides of the ball, its quite suprising we are only down 9-7

[codell]

Originally posted by sonique15
who are they beatin to get to Carr? Please dont tell me its still Wand......

It seems McKinney and Pitts are the ones whose lanes are being blown through by Cleveland

[Raven Lunatic]

The O-line is really pissing me off right now, but in several cases, so is Carr. It seems like he has rolled out to the side 3-4 times so far, and he doesn't seem to be even trying to make a pass anymore. He tucks the ball, puts his head down and runs. I don't know, maybe our WR are not trying the whole time to get open, or maybe they see David get flushed out and start blocking for him rather than running routes, but it's driving me crazy.

[Chump]

we are lucky to be down only 2 - that was some of the worst playing I've seen all season

no pressure at ALL on Holcomb and our line can't block anybody!

4 rushers on 5 blockers and we can't stop em

pathetic, they are playing like Cleveland would just roll over for them - all this 8-8 talk, we aren't 8-8 yet guys!

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

what the **** was THAT???

[KaiSeR SoZe]

INTERCEPTED

[codell]

Interception by Simmons off the tip!!!!

Jason Babin with the tip

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

A pick as i'm posting my complaint about the kickoff :D

[KaiSeR SoZe]

another sack...almost slipped:o

[codell]

Carr sacked again. :mad: :mad: :mad:

thats #4

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

That "drive" after the turnover was another freaking embarassment.

[KaiSeR SoZe]

What the hell is this crap?!

[codell]

DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

false start by the offensive line takes away a chance to convert on 4th down

can it get any worse for the fab 5 here?? :rolleyes:

[Groogrux]

This is ugly.

[Uprising]

Ugh....this game was entertaining the first few min. Since then...... is been a snoozer.

Defense still not allowing a TD.....but the offense can't do JACK.

DD looked good at the begining of the game.

[TheRaven]

How the hell do these WRs keep getting so wide open?
And no pressure on Holcomb....
We suck. This could be a black day if we don't wake up.

[Uprising]

atleast it is a meaningless game. It's not like we are fighting for a play off spot.

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

That's the thing, this team doesn't have a history of winning, this IS a meaningful game.

[Uprising]

Streak over....TD CRAPPY ASS SKID MARKS.....

[codell]

Originally posted by Uprising
atleast it is a meaningless game. It's not like we are fighting for a play off spot.

We are righting for something more important, respectability with a .500 record.

Browns up 16-7

This team better wake up.

We are heading for the most humiliating loss in franchise history.

[Uprising]

I know, I would love to see us at .500. Man, it would be an awesome day to see them win. But I am jus saying, I would be breaking sheet right now if we were fighing for something like the post season with this crappy performance.

I would love to see them turn it around in the next quarter. Finish the season on a high note.

I am still amazed that we have two interceptions off of Hullcomb and yet we have ZERO pts to show for it.

[TheRaven]

Something tells me Palmer thought he was going to sleepwalk this one.
I see no protection. No plan. And when you're 9 down there's no time to run down the clock with long drives like against Jacksonville.
And Carr's running for his life again. Looks like 2002.

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

We need to find whoever stole our offensive linemen and replaced them with folgers crystals thinking we wouldn't notice the difference.

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

A hold.... on a ****ing rush up the middle. God damn this is simply a pathetic showing by the o-line today.

[TheRaven]

It's good to see these quality efforts from Milford Brown continue. What a zero. Mr. False Start.

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

Another punt.... big ****ing surprise there.

[TheRaven]

Strong effort by all the receivers to get to EVERY ball.
Digusting. What are they saving themselves for? Next week?

[codell]

bad pass by Carr on 3rd and 4 out of the shotgon

the look on his face aftewards scares me ....he looks defeated :(

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

Yeah, well they were expecting to walk into the stadium and have the browns simply concede.

[TheRaven]

Carr looks worse than defeated. He looks CLUELESS.:eek:

[KaiSeR SoZe]

:eek:

This sucks!

[Uprising]

We suck. Nice job Moses. This one's in the bag.

[TheRaven]

And I'm so gald to see JJ wait until this game to fumble a punt.

[KaiSeR SoZe]

We need McGrady's 13 points in 35 seconds

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

This is the most embarassing game the texans have ever had i think.

[codell]

JJ Moses fumbles and Cleveland recovers on our 24.

What was Faggins doing trying to pick it up and run with it? Fall on the damn ball!!


What a gutless effort ......absolutely gutless

[TheRaven]

I'm sorry I earmarked time to watch this. Only Jose Cuervo can save me now.

[bobmarley]

uhh.. late hit

wait it's intentional grounding. Oh joy!

[bobmarley]

And will Palmer please let us open up the pasing game yet?

Only 48 yards passing is really ****ing pathetic.

This is very upsetting.

19-7 Cleveland Oranges

[bigballerj]

Originally posted by KaiSeR SoZe
We need McGrady's 13 points in 35 seconds

13 points in 14 minutes will do just fine...

















Provided that the Browns don't score anymore points.

[codell]

Originally posted by bobmarley
And will Palmer please let us open up the pasing game yet?

Only 48 yards passing is really ****ing pathetic.

This is very upsetting.

19-7 Cleveland Oranges

There is nothing Palmer can do.

Our 5 lineman can't even block when they have only 4 rushers.

Its DD or bust today.

[TheRaven]

I really think this a$$hole color man is doing a poor job of hiding his delight at Cleveland winning...

[Saint Louis]

Is Palmer the anti-Martz? Martz forgets to run the ball, Palmer forgets to pass the ball.

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

Clevelands FIRST PLAY OF THE GAME netted them more passing yards than our entire offense has at the moment.

[bobmarley]

Originally posted by TheRaven
I really think this a$$hole color man is doing a poor job of hiding his delight at Cleveland winning... \

Yeah who is this completely useless color man

and another 3rd and long

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

Absolutely HORRIBLE showing by the offensive line.

[bobmarley]

sack one more time

Man we need to go afer some OL this draft

[Uprising]

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHEHEHE

HEHEHEHE HAH HA HA HA.......:(





........................our O line is pathetic. Carr has no chance out there.

This and yesterdays game ....man. Sad weekend.........

Go Rockets.

[Groogrux]

Can we please end the ridiculous J.J. Moses experiment now?

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

I'm sure there are some good high school seniors we could find out there that would be a marked improvement to what we've got out there at the moment.

[Nick]

And to think that the Chronicle actually ran an article a couple of days ago saying how Carr was happy with how the offensive line has improved.

Hillarious.

[codell]

Originally posted by bobmarley
sack one more time

Man we need to go afer some OL this draft

I think that will definitely be addressed.

Dont know if Wand is the answer. He was thrown to the wolves this year and lately, has almost continually gotten beat by his man.

Of course, our blocking scheme doesn't help when we have Billy Miller trying to block Ekuban. :confused:

[today]

Over the last 4 or 5 weeks, it looks like Carr's shoulder has been giving him trouble. His delivery at this point in the year looks completely different than it did at the beginning. Anyone else noticed this? I hope he has surgery in the off-season to correct this.

This game is a complete disappointment, we're really laying an egg right now.

[bobmarley]

thank god we got a 3 and out

[Master Baiter]

This is absolutely painful to watch.

[bobmarley]

maybe they should put in dunta at WR.

just a thought

[ima_drummer2k]

Originally posted by codell
What was Faggins doing trying to pick it up and run with it? Fall on the damn ball!!

IMO, that was worse than the fumble itself. Jump on the ball, idiot!!!

[bobmarley]

it looks like carr doesnt want to make any mistakes. its like they are afraid to win. go deep young man.

nice catch billy

good run

[Nick]

Originally posted by bobmarley
maybe they should put in dunta at WR.

just a thought

Can he play LT? I bet he could upend some of these linemen better than Wand has been.

[Master Baiter]

Originally posted by Nick
Can he play LT? I bet he could upend some of these linemen better than Wand has been.
No kidding, exactly what I was thinking. We need an O-Line like crazy. Its totally ruining our offense.

[bobmarley]

this is a huge series. we must score on this drive.

4th and short

we must get this

[Groogrux]

Wow

[codell]

worst 4 and 1 call ever

unbelievable

[bobmarley]

OMFG!!

JESUS CHRIST

YOU IDIOT

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

****ing embarassment. what the **** kind of playcalling by palmer was that. ****ing bull****.

[bobmarley]

Did you see Carr telling his QB coach that was a horrible call?

I'd have to agree

[Master Baiter]

I wish Carr would get seriously pissed off and start throwing ****. Make a huge scene. This offense needs a strong character to fire them up.

[ima_drummer2k]

What in the name of all that is holy?!?!?!

Are we trying to lose this game? 4th and 1, WTF was that???

Look, a slant pass by the Browns. A slant pass. What a concept...

[bobmarley]

thank you dunta.

he is such a sound tackler

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

BTW, has the defense gotten a single sack today?

[bobmarley]

Originally posted by WasabiTheNinjaPimp
BTW, has the defense gotten a single sack today?

noope

[Uprising]

Rub it in some more.

Another TD is secs away. Embarrassing....pathetic....game.

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

Didn't think so. It seems to stem from the fact that our offense has managed to stay on the field for about 4 plays since the first quarter ended.

[bobmarley]

this is disheartening

boy I hope we do some revamping to the OL and get some freakin pass rushers.

maybe a monster inside linebacker

[ima_drummer2k]

Worst game in franchise history.

Best of all, we get to suck on this one for the entire offseason. Nice going, Texans.

[LonghornFan]

Originally posted by Nick
And to think that the Chronicle actually ran an article a couple of days ago saying how Carr was happy with how the offensive line has improved.



Bwahaha!!! Typical Chronical reporting.

This team should be friggin' ashamed of their alleged 'effort' today. What a pathetic display by the team, coaching staff, and as usual...the horrible O-line. My fat aunt could block better than these scrubs. :rolleyes:

[bobmarley]

i love those sonic commercials but I hate the food

[codell]

Originally posted by ima_drummer2k
Worst game in franchise history.


Not just the worst, but the most humiliating and the most gutless.

For all the talk of .500 from the players, it doesn't appear they gave the Browns much credit, if any.

The Browns were in the same exact situation we were in last week and accomplished the same exact thing we did last week.

[mateo]

So....13th pick now?

Might as well start thinking about that draft....

[Groogrux]

We're gonna win this game. :)

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

ANyone know of an online gamecast kind of thing which shows what the current time of posession is in addition to the other stats?

Wow, and moses has what looks like a nice clean returns and trips over his own feet.

[Master Baiter]

Originally posted by codell
Not just the worst, but the most humiliating and the most gutless.

For all the talk of .500 from the players, it doesn't appear they gave the Browns much credit, if any.

The Browns were in the same exact situation we were in last week and accomplished the same exact thing we did last week.
Just a little bit ironic, dont ya think?

[bobmarley]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
We're gonna win this game. :)

are there any probable mock drafts out yet?

and what are your favorite draft sites?

[sonique15]

Came in underestimatin their opponent.....Browns were not gonna roll over and die.....Our play calling is horrendous tho.....i hae how plamer gets so conservative......maybe carr's shoulder is hurting more than we think.

any update on Payne's injury?

[sonique15]

Originally posted by bobmarley
are there any probable mock drafts out yet?

and what are your favorite draft sites?

nfldraftcountdown.com is my fav.

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

You've got to love how the pocket is collapsing on every single play,

[bobmarley]

six sacks on carr

[Master Baiter]

Awesome, another sack!!!!

Douche bags

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

Another freaking sack. SIX today, ****ing SIX.

[mateo]

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2005/mock.html

[sonique15]

what a suprise....another sack.....

[Behad]

Chester Pitts sucks. No other way to say it.

[bobmarley]

i think DD has really gotten used to the zone blocking scheme and i like what he brings to our team. a marshall faulk type

[bobmarley]

thank you david. i love you

[Master Baiter]

Nice freaking run Carr! Dude has balls!

[today]

Doesn't it look like there's something wrong with Carr's shoulder?

[Master Baiter]

Well its a little late for that.

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

Well..... onside kick time.

[Groogrux]

Woohoo, most exciting play in football!

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

That wasn't exciting at all. Bad onside kick.

[bobmarley]

We could get Jammal Brown OT from Oklahoma or maybe Ahmad Brooks LB from Virginia

I would most like to see us use a top pick on the O line then use the rest of the draft to find playmakers.

[WasabiTheNinjaPimp]

Complete ****ing embarassment. I'd be ashamed to be a member of that team today.

[mateo]

I dont think Carr is thanking Jesus right now :(

Ugly ugly loss.

[bobmarley]

The draft is really deep this year

[CriscoKidd]

Originally posted by bobmarley
We could get Jammal Brown OT from Oklahoma or maybe Ahmad Brooks LB from Virginia

I would most like to see us use a top pick on the O line then use the rest of the draft to find playmakers.

The oline is supposed to be weak in the draft this year. Not sure what fagency would be like, but Houston should be looking at addressing the oline by getting solid vets if they want to make a serious playoff push next year.

[Lil Francis]

Originally posted by Saint Louis
Is Palmer the anti-Martz? Martz forgets to run the ball, Palmer forgets to pass the ball. Hey if you give us Bulger we will give you David Carr :D

[RocketFan007]

originally posted by bob marley
We could get Jammal Brown OT from Oklahoma or maybe Ahmad Brooks LB from Virginia

I would most like to see us use a top pick on the O line then use the rest of the draft to find playmakers.

Brown is a RT, and with Wade we don't need another RT. We need a LT, but there's little chance we will be able to get either Alex Barron or D'Brickashaw Ferguson, the best LT's in the draft.

We'll be picking 12 or 13 and I'd love to see us land either Derrick Johnson or Antrel Rolle there.

[Saint Louis]

Dan Pastorini was a great, young talented QB when he arrived with the Oilers. He had good mobility and an incredible arm, really could throw the deep ball. The problem was that the rest of the Oilers sucked so bad, that he was pouned into the ground. The OL sucked, and his knees took a beating. By the time the Oilers got a team around him, the Luv Ya Blue era, he could hardly move at all in the pocket.

I sure hope the same fate doesn't happen to Carr. By the time the Texans are any good, I hope he can still walk and throw the ball.

[MadMax]

I was at this jewel of a game yesterday. I'm still yawning.

The problems remain:

no pass rush
no pass protection

Holcomb had all freaking day. Carr ran for his life most of the day. Hard to throw a deep ball when the RB NEVER is there to protect you (which is a Palmer problem, frankly) and the defensive linemen blow right over your OL protection.

How 'bout some flexibility, Palmer? When your team is getting run into the dirt, you might want to mix it up a bit. And by mix it up, I don't mean asking a WR to throw a cross field pass. Ridiculous.

[swilkins]

I think most of our problem on offense is the interior linemen. Both of Guards have happy feet and are too damn slow to keep up with the opposing dfense. I'm also not a McKinney fan.

On defense, we probably should start with a replacement for Payne. I believe his contract is up and he isn't getting any younger.

[rrj_gamz]

Truly pathetic...

Next year better be playoffs, but we need better D and a consistent offensive who can score...