Andre Johnson selected to Pro Bowl

[Harrisment]

Just heard it on 610, sweet! I'll post a link when I find one.

[Austin70]

Well deserved.

[Miguel]

CHRIST you're fast...


But I'm faster!

http://houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1439

[Blatz]

I probably will not watch the game but I happy there will be a Texan there.

[Harrisment]

Originally posted by Miguel
CHRIST you're fast...


But I'm faster!

http://houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1439

Damn you! :)

[dharocks]

How about this:

Mike Vick

2278 YDS 13 TD 12 INT 55.7 Completion % 76.6 QB Rating

Brett Favre

3527 YDS 25 TD 16 INT 63.4 Completion % 88.7 QB Rating

Yet Vick goes to Hawaii. Even if you combine his rushing yards+TDs, Favre still has more combined YDS and TDs.

Doesn't matter, because Brett never plays in the Pro Bowl anyway, but it's disrespect nonetheless.

[Phillyrocket]

Can someone post a link to the pro bowl rosters, I can't seem to find them.

[nWo34Life]

AWESOME!

Well-deserved. Wish Dunta could of gone.

[nWo34Life]

Originally posted by Phillyrocket
Can someone post a link to the pro bowl rosters, I can't seem to find them.

Go here:

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/nfc_roster

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/afc_roster

[leroy420]

Jaime Sharper and Dunta Robinson should be there as well.

[Miguel]

Sharper...there's much better LBs out there.
Dunta...there's players with better names out there...unfortunately.

[nWo34Life]

Here's the full list if you don't want to click the links:

American Football Conference

Offense

Wide Receivers -- Marvin Harrison, Indianapolis; Andre Johnson, Houston; Chad Johnson, Cincinnati; Hines Ward, Pittsburgh.

Tackles -- Willie Anderson, Cincinnati; Jonathan Ogden, Baltimore; Willie Roaf, Kansas City.

Guards -- Alan Faneca, Pittsburgh; Will Shields, Kansas City; Brian Waters, Kansas City.

Centers -- Jeff Hartings, Pittsburgh; Kevin Mawae, New York Jets.

Tight Ends -- Tony Gonzalez, Kansas City; Antonio Gates, San Diego.

Quarterbacks -- Tom Brady, New England; Drew Brees, San Diego; Peyton Manning, Indianapolis.

Running Backs -- Edgerrin James, Indianapolis; Curtis Martin, New York Jets; LaDainian Tomlinson, San Diego.

Fullback -- Tony Richardson, Kansas City.

Defense

Ends -- John Abraham, New York Jets; Dwight Freeney, Indianapolis; Jason Taylor, Miami.

Interior Linemen -- Sam Adams, Buffalo; Richard Seymour, New England; Marcus Stroud, Jacksonville.

Outside Linebackers -- Joey Porter, Pittsburgh; Takeo Spikes, Buffalo; Terrell Suggs, Baltimore.

Inside Linebackers -- James Farrior, Pittsburgh; Ray Lewis, Baltimore.

Cornerbacks -- Champ Bailey, Denver; Tory James, Cincinnati; Chris McAlister, Baltimore.

Strong Safety -- Troy Polamulu, Pittsburgh; Ed Reed, Baltimore.

Free Safeties -- John Lynch, Denver.

Specialists

Punter -- Shane Lechler, Oakland.

Placekicker -- Adam Vinatieri, New England.

Kick Return Specialist -- Terrence McGee, Buffalo.

Special Teamer -- Larry Izzo, New England.

National Football Conference

Offense

Wide Receivers -- Joe Horn, New Orleans; Muhsin Muhammad, Carolina; Terrell Owens, Philadelphia; Javon Walker, Green Bay.

Tackles -- Orlando Pace, St. Louis; Walter Jones, Seattle; Tra Thomas, Philadelphia.

Guards -- Larry Allen, Dallas; Marco Rivera, Green Bay; Steve Hutchinson, Seattle.

Centers -- Olin Kreutz, Chicago; Matt Birk, Minnesota.

Tight Ends -- Alge Crumpler, Atlanta; Jason Witten, Dallas.

Quarterbacks -- Daunte Culpepper, Minnesota; Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia; Michael Vick, Atlanta.

Running Backs -- Ahman Green, Green Bay; Tiki Barber, New York Giants; Shaun Alexander, Seattle.

Fullback -- William Henderson, Green Bay.

Defense

Ends -- Bertrand Berry, Arizona; Patrick Kerney, Atlanta; Julius Peppers, Carolina.

Interior Linemen -- La'Roi Glover, Dallas; Shaun Rogers, Detroit; Kevin Williams, Minnesota.

Outside Linebackers -- Keith Brooking, Atlanta; Derrick Brooks, Tampa Bay; Marcus Washington, Washington.

Inside Linebackers -- Dan Morgan, Carolina; Jeremiah Trotter, Philadelphia.

Cornerbacks -- Ronde Barber, Tampa Bay; Dre' Bly, Detroit; Lito Sheppard, Philadelphia.

Strong Safety -- Michael Lewis, Philadelphia.

Free Safety -- Brian Dawkins, Philadelphia; Roy Williams, Dallas.

Specialists

Punter -- Mitch Berger, New Orleans.

Placekicker -- David Akers, Philadelphia.

Kick Return Specialist -- Eddie Drummond, Detroit.

Special Teamer -- Ike Reese, Philadelphia

[Blatz]

He's going to be on 790 if your interested

[Lil Francis]

They should take 4 CB's instead of 3 because Dunta would have been the 4th one. He might can still make it due to a CB injury. Dante Hall should have made it also.

[Phillyrocket]

How much money would you have won if you bet Drew Brees would be a probowler last summer?

Champ Bailey

72 tackles
3 ints
10 passes defensed
0 sacks
0 forced fumbles

Chris Mcalister

36 tackles
1 int
8 passes defensed
0 sacks
0 forced fumbles

Dunta Robinson

76 tackles
6 ints
19 passes defensed
3 sacks
2 forced fumbles

WTF!!!! I know the Broncos and Ravens have better records but Dunta has had a far superior season. I hope this oversight it just due to his being a rookie. Dunta and AJ should be probowl regulars for years to come.

[SamFisher]

Will Shields makes it on reputation every single year because nobody can even name AFC Guards, but he apparently is not a pro-bowl quality player anymore.

[DaDakota]

If he had a decent QB he would be getting TONS more yards and catches.

David Carr is average at best.

DD

[Fegwu]

Originally posted by DaDakota
If he had a decent QB he would be getting TONS more yards and catches.

David Carr is average at best.

DD

Similar sentiments but the jury is still out on Carr. Carr is a pretty boy and pretty boy usually make average QB's

On Dunta, he is legit. He was over looked because he is a rookie. That guy is solid. He will make the Hawaii bound team it in Feb of 2006.

[moestavern19]

Originally posted by Phillyrocket
How much money would you have won if you bet Drew Brees would be a probowler last summer?

Champ Bailey

72 tackles
3 ints
10 passes defensed
0 sacks
0 forced fumbles

Chris Mcalister

36 tackles
1 int
8 passes defensed
0 sacks
0 forced fumbles

Dunta Robinson

76 tackles
6 ints
19 passes defensed
3 sacks
2 forced fumbles

WTF!!!! I know the Broncos and Ravens have better records but Dunta has had a far superior season. I hope this oversight it just due to his being a rookie. Dunta and AJ should be probowl regulars for years to come.

There is a good reason for this... Nobody throws the ball at Champ Bailey and Chris McAllister.

[Lil Francis]

Dunta will be in Champ Bailey's class in a couple of years. Bailey just gets all the hype because of things he did in the past. Mcalister had 1 pick and made the probowl over Dunta. Thats insane.

[DieHard Rocket]

Originally posted by Fegwu
Similar sentiments but the jury is still out on Carr. Carr is a pretty boy and pretty boy usually make average QB's


Since when did looks determine what kind of QB you were?

:rolleyes:

[JunkyardDwg]

Originally posted by Fegwu
Similar sentiments but the jury is still out on Carr. Carr is a pretty boy and pretty boy usually make average QB's


Well what about Vick or Favre.. I'd say they have just as good as looks as Carr and well...i could be wrong but Favre is HOF bound and Vick is perhaps the most athletic QB in the leauge. There are arguments to make that Carr may not be a Peyton Manning or Brett Farve or Culpepper, Mcnabb, etc...but his looks are not one of 'em.

[Roc Paint]

The first of many to come.

[MykTek]

robinson's stats are alittle inflated, u got to remember, he's a rookie opposite to aaron glenn..... so they gonna pick on him more often the glenn.....so the comparison isn't warranted..... those other 2 guys....no one throws to them....b/c they are that good... =) just my opinion....robinson had a good season, but not a probowler one... =) definately an all rookie team

[kaleidosky]

Originally posted by Fegwu
Similar sentiments but the jury is still out on Carr. Carr is a pretty boy and pretty boy usually make average QB's

On Dunta, he is legit. He was over looked because he is a rookie. That guy is solid. He will make the Hawaii bound team it in Feb of 2006.

To Da--Carr will come along. Progressing fine, next year should be another stride.


Now in regards to this quote. What in the !#$? Pretty boys usually make average QB's. Because THAT's an indicator of their skills. If you look good, no point in trying to play QB in teh NFL because most likely you'll only be average. Because you look good.

Genius.

[MadMax]

Tempted to start another thread centered around Vick getting selected for NFC QB. Seriously, I'm guessing he easily has the worst passing stats of any QB EVER selected to the Pro Bowl. I'm turning into a hater...and I don't like that...but the media's fascination with this guy just blows me away.

Vick's stats:

Yards - 2278; 55.7%; 13 TD 12 INT Rating: 76.6

Marc Bulger:

Yards - 3289; 64.9%; 17 TD 12 INT Rating 90.5

Bret Favre:

Yards - 3527; 63.4%; 25 TD 16 INT Rating 88.7

Jake Delhomme:

Yards - 3365; 58.2%; 23 TD 15 INT Rating 84.2

Yeah...I know...Vick ran for 800 yards, too. But he still doesn't equal the total yards of any of the QB's on this list. And, oh...he also turns the ball over more than any player in the league.

bring it, pgabriel!!!! :D this is my new, most fun argument...because it's not remotely personal. I really like Mike Vick as a person. And I think the media hype around him is ridiculously unfair to him, frankly. But it's hype that made this Pro Bowl team...not substance.

[spence99]

I agree about Vick. The media is in love with him. Their defense has won most of their games for them. Vick's passing has been terrible this year, but the media ignores that since he can run.

[PhiSlammaJamma]

Mason and Bennett got screwed. Both are leading the league.

[moestavern19]

Look at the Falcons record...


now take Michael Vick away and subtract 7 wins accordingly.

[torque]

Originally posted by moestavern19
Look at the Falcons record...


now take Michael Vick away and subtract 7 wins accordingly.
And put Brett Favre on the team and give them back the 7 wins.

If you take away any teams best player, they are not going to do well :rolleyes:

[moestavern19]

Originally posted by torque
And put Brett Favre on the team and give them back the 7 wins.

If you take away any teams best player, they are not going to do well :rolleyes:

Brett Favre in a Jim Mora's constipated version of the WCO.

yeah.

Michael Vick is a better QB than Marc Bugler and Jake Delhomme. Stats are bull****, especially TD-INT ratios. Kerry Collins is having a pretty great year if you want to compare his stats to Vick's.

KOOLPUDYDAWG ROOLZ.

[NYKRule]

Originally posted by torque
And put Brett Favre on the team and give them back the 7 wins.

If you take away any teams best player, they are not going to do well :rolleyes:


You're dumb.

[swilkins]

I'm proud of Dre'.

As for Dunta, he'll make it next year. These are popularity votes. Vick be in for the next 10 years easy.

[torque]

wow vick and nomar r00lz!!! WHAT AN ARGUEMENT!!!
Mike Vick is as overrated as they come...and if Brett Favre was on the Falcons, Mora Jr wouldnt run a WCO.

koolpudydawg...how long was that, 6 months ago? and you continue to hold onto it because its the *only* thing you can say in an attempt to insult me.

Nice try guys :rolleyes:

[torque]

blah...vick and moes*

[NYKRule]

Originally posted by torque
wow vick and nomar r00lz!!! WHAT AN ARGUEMENT!!!
Mike Vick is as overrated as they come...and if Brett Favre was on the Falcons, Mora Jr wouldnt run a WCO.

koolpudydawg...how long was that, 6 months ago? and you continue to hold onto it because its the *only* thing you can say in an attempt to insult me.

Michael Vick...bye week

Brett Favre, with more weapons, fighting for division today.

koolpudydawg, definitely not 6 months ago, I was in Syracuse at that time.

Oh yeah, and "business trip".

[torque]

Originally posted by NYKRule
Michael Vick...bye week

Brett Favre, with more weapons, fighting for division today.

koolpudydawg, definitely not 6 months ago, I was in Syracuse at that time.

Oh yeah, and "business trip".

Packers -
Total offensive yards - 5510
Total passing yards - 3764
Total points - 357
Points per game - 25.6
Opponents points per game - 23.9

Falcons -
Total offensive yards - 4463
Total passing yards - 2088
Total points - 301
Points per game - 21.5
Opponents points per game - 20.2

pwn3d

[moestavern19]

I forgot my password, oh wait here it is. whoops I lost it.


Your argument is... mind-blowingly dumb. I'm still trying to figure out why you posted those stats.

[torque]

Originally posted by moestavern19
I forgot my password, oh wait here it is. whoops I lost it.


Your argument is... mind-blowingly dumb. I'm still trying to figure out why you posted those stats.
I pointed them out to show that Brett Favre is not the reason the Packers have a worse record than the Falcons, its the defenses of the two teams.

And I know exactly what my password was, but is not anymore, so someone must have changed it.

[moestavern19]

oh well even if Michael Vick isn't a good QB at least i don't make up usernames to try and cheat my way to winning at a baseball simulation.

read the title... 9/30 is not 6 months. Do you have a grasp of football like a grasp of time?

[Blatz]

The article is little over a week old but it's pretty good.
_____________________________
Johnson quietly making loud impact (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/texans/2004-12-14-andre-johnson-catches_x.htm?POE=SPOISVA)

By Tom Pedulla, USA TODAY

HOUSTON — Some young NFL players talk great games. Houston Texans wideout Andre Johnson plays one.

"I go out and let my play speak for itself," says the man of few words and many receptions.

Early returns suggest he soon will join the elite players at his position — if he hasn't done so already.

The quality of Johnson's performance through his first 29 games is enough to make even casual observers take notice. He has more catches during that span — 137 to Jerry's Rice's 123 — than any of the league's top five receivers of all time. (Related item: Johnson vs. NFL greats)

The 6-3, 219-pounder is everything Houston thought he would be when it took the University of Miami star with the third overall selection in the 2003 draft.

"He's big and strong and fast, and he's really got a great work ethic, a great attitude," Texans coach Dom Capers says. "He doesn't say a lot. He just goes to work. He's an intense competitor."

Johnson was not at all content with a team-leading 66-catch, 976-yard rookie season. Upset that he had dropped a significant number of passes, he was determined to correct that last offseason.

He worked out almost daily at his alma mater, using a machine to send ball after ball his way. He often set the equipment at its highest speed — 50 mph — to pressure him into making sure his hands were in good position and he secured the catch before simulating a move on a defender.

"Repetition helped out a lot," Johnson said. "It hasn't been an issue for me this year."

Johnson owns 71 receptions with three games left, and his 1,052 yards trail only the Cincinnati Bengals' Chad Johnson in the AFC. His explosive combination of size, speed and elusiveness is allowing him to lead the league in YAC — yards after catch. He averages 6.3 yards after each catch. "He's a more confident player, a more decisive player," Capers says. "I've seen him make some really difficult catches in tough situations. He's all of the things you look for in a receiver."

Johnson's accomplishments are all the more impressive given the growing pains the 5-8 Texans continue to suffer in their third year of existence. With five losses in their last six games, they are a work in progress.

Although David Carr provides Houston with a promising young quarterback, significant holes have yet to be filled around him. Johnson's 1,052 yards are only 139 yards shy of the rest of the receiving corps combined.

Defensive coordinators are increasingly aware that game plans must be constructed around stopping Johnson.

"He's one of the top — if not the top — receivers in the league right now in my opinion," Tennessee Titans coach Jeff Fisher says.

That is music to Johnson's ears, for he aspires to those heights.

In one of the few strong statements he will make about himself, he says, "When I leave this game, I want them to say that Andre Johnson was one of the best receivers ever to play."

According to Andre Melton, Johnson's uncle and confidant, that desire has always been evident.

"You either have it or you don't," Melton says. "Ever since Pop Warner football, he's had it. He would cry about Pop Warner losses."

Johnson has so many games ahead, so many years to go, if he is to realize his enormous aspirations. To his credit, he is the first to recognize that.

He says of the Philadelphia Eagles' Terrell Owens and the Minnesota Vikings' Randy Moss, two stars who go a long way toward setting the bar for the rest, "I wouldn't put myself up with them. I feel it's going pretty well right now, but those guys have done it for years and this is only my second year."

Just give him time.

[Uprising]

Congrats, and there will be many more to come.

As for Dunta, that just ain't fair. He has had an insane season. But guess he isn't popular enough yet.

[leroy420]

Don't be suprised if Dunta is one of the 1st alternates chosen should one of the DB's decide not to play.

[dharocks]

Favre is more deserving of the third Pro bowl QB spot, period.

He's going to throw for 4000+ yds and 30 TDs, and his team won their division.

The only argument you could make is that Atlanta has a better record. But if you say that, then Reggie Wayne and Brandon Stokely (and even freaking Eric Parker) are more deserving than Andre Johnson, and Dunta Robinson doesn't even have a chance against Bailey or McCallister.

Atlanta wins because they play great defense and run the ball well (including Vick). But when Vick is forced to become a pocket passer, both he and the team struggle. That doesn't happen to all-pro QBs.

[Puedlfor]

Atlanta runs the ball well because of Michael Vick, and the only person who can force Vick into being a pocket passer is his coach - b/c no defense can do it.

[dharocks]

Originally posted by Puedlfor
Atlanta runs the ball well because of Michael Vick, and the only person who can force Vick into being a pocket passer is his coach - b/c no defense can do it.

Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett have a lot more to do with that. Do you really think that the constant spy on Vick makes things easier on those two? I'd venture that it makes it more difficult.

The fact of the matter is, Vick does not read coverage well or have great ball control on his throws.

[Jturbofuel]

Its tough for rookies to make the Pro Bowl a lot of players make it off reputation.I heard some mention that Champ Bailey hasn't played as well this year as he has in past years that he might have made it just for that reason.I like what Dunta said I will have more chances to make it.

[pgabriel]

Well Atlanta's offense or defense didn't look to good against those vaunted Saints.

[Puedlfor]

Originally posted by pgabriel
Well Atlanta's offense or defense didn't look to good against those vaunted Saints.

And Vick didn't play, hmmm . . .

Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett have a lot more to do with that.

Not really. Dunn is an undersized scat-back without great speed anymore. Duckett is a load to bring down, but is kind of a plodder. If a defense could focus on stopping merely them as a running attack - they would easily unless they ran behind a magnificent offensive line.

Do you really think that the constant spy on Vick makes things easier on those two? I'd venture that it makes it more difficult.

Yes. Yes I do. What would that linebacker be doing if he wasn't forced to spy Vick? It's the equivalent of taking the oppositions best, most athletic linebacker - and making him play with weights on his legs - b/c he has to hold up a moment to make sure that Vick isn't the one with the ball before committing himself to Dunn or Duckett.

[MadMax]

Wait...am I supposed to be surprised or change my mind about Vick because Schuab didn't kick ass?? Is that who we're comparing Vick to, now???

This isn't an argument about Vick deserving to start. Of course he does. This is about comparing him to other starters.

The guy is ridiculously overhyped as an NFL QB.