Texans @ Jaguars 12-26-04

[Castor27]

Noon on CBS

[Blatz]

Texans win

Chester Pitts has 3 false starts. First one in the 2nd and two & three in the 4th.

I hate the Jags :mad:

[Phillyrocket]

Jags may have a better record but they're still our bitch. Time to play spoiler on the way to 8-8.

Texans 32
Pussycats 24

[Lil Francis]

Jags play a little dirty when they play the Texans so hopefully everyone will comeback injury free



Texans 21
Jags 17


Davis 80yds rushing 65rec yds 2td
Carr 200+yds sacked 4times 1td 1Int
Johnson 70yds rec 1td
D.Robinson Sack,Int, fum rec, 10tack

[MadMax]

Texans win....31-27

[bobmarley]

Originally posted by Lil Francis
Davis 80yds rushing 65rec yds 2td
Carr 200+yds sacked 4times 1td 1Int
Johnson 70yds rec 1td
D.Robinson Sack,Int, fum rec, 10tack

It seems that when people post the stats they see for the upcoming game; they are totally inaccurate.

But I think Dunta will match those numbers

[Stack24]

Texans win crushing the slim hopes of the playoffs for the Jaguars.

[Uprising]

Why.....if it aint the Jags. Whose your daddy?

Texans 27
Jags 14

[NJRocket]

23-10 jags

[swilkins]

I can't believe some are predicting that the Texans score 30+

The Jags will win by a small margin.

Texans 13
Jags 16

I hope I'm wrong

[pgabriel]

I really doubt the Texans win this game. The Jags are a lot better team than earlier in the season.

[ROXRAN]

They win since I'm in Houston to watch them!...

[Groogrux]

Originally posted by pgabriel
I really doubt the Texans win this game. The Jags are a lot better team than earlier in the season.

I have to disagree. They'd lost three in a row before beating the horrendous Bears and a mediocre Packer team that's lost a few games at Lambeau already this season. They also started the season 3-0. The Texans' defense is playing the best it has all season and Fred Taylor's questionable. Not to mention that this is a big rivalry game to the two teams, so I think it'd be close regardless.

Texans 20
Jags 13

[Blatz]

Houston: Jaguars have problem with 'rivalry' description (http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/122604/jag_17534878.shtml)

By BART HUBBUCH, The Times-Union

You can't fault them for trying, but as far as the Jaguars are concerned, the Houston Texans seem to be taking this whole "rivalry'' thing -- and we use quotation marks for a reason -- a bit too far.

And if it's not too far, then it's certainly too fast.

Today's visitors to Alltel Stadium have spent much of the past week and entirely too much of their first three seasons in the NFL doing everything they can to pick a fight with the Jaguars.

Bulletin-board material has been flying out of Houston leading up to this afternoon's game, which is crucial to the 8-6 Jaguars' budding hopes of their first playoff berth since 1999.

Houston is 6-8 and just about mathematically eliminated from the postseason, but by the way the Texans have been talking the past few days, you would almost think this is the most important game on their schedule.

"I know they don't like us, and we don't particularly like them," Houston quarterback David Carr said.

Defensive lineman Gary Walker, one of six former Jaguars players or coaches now with Houston, went a step further.

"It's always big to play Jacksonville," Walker said.

To this, the Jaguars say: Huh?

Sorry to disappoint the Texans, the Jaguars say, but five games doesn't a rivalry make in the NFL -- especially when one team hasn't been in the playoffs this decade and the other didn't exist as recently as 2001.

While the Texans already are proclaiming Jacksonville a bitter rival, an informal poll of the Jaguars' locker room this week didn't produce one player who puts Houston anywhere in the same light.

Pittsburgh and Tennessee? Definitely. Indianapolis? Now that seems to have potential, especially since the Jaguars have upset Peyton Manning and the Colts twice in the past three meetings.

But the Texans don't come anywhere close to prompting harsh words from the Jaguars, even though Houston has a 3-2 series edge, and their yawning fans appear to agree. Nearly 10,000 tickets were still unsold late in the week for what is stacking up as Jacksonville's most important game in years.

"We respect [the Texans], just like we respect every team, but this game is big on its own merits," running back Fred Taylor said. "We're thinking about trying to get into the playoffs and not about anything else.''

Added Jaguars free safety Deon Grant: "They're a good team, and they've already beaten us once this year [20-6 in October], so you have to tip your hat to them."

That's not to say the Jaguars don't have a few hard feelings left over from their loss in Houston on Halloween, most of them stemming from what Jacksonville players considered some cheap shots and dirty play by the Texans.

Defensive tackle John Henderson still is fuming at Houston long snapper Bryan Patterson for choking him on a fake punt. Henderson was so enraged that he immediately retaliated, prompting a 15-yard personal foul penalty.

The Jaguars also didn't appreciate Texans running back Jonathan Wells starting a fight on their sideline in the final seconds, nor are they entirely sure Walker didn't mean to twist Byron Leftwich's left knee on a tackle in the first half.

Leftwich sprained his knee on that play, an injury that caused him to miss the next two games, but the Jaguars' quarterback did nothing this week to fan what the Texans apparently consider a bitter feud.

"I don't believe it was done to try to hurt me," Leftwich said this week. "Sometimes things like that happen."

When asked this week if the Texans are a rival that the Jaguars would be seeking revenge against, especially since October's game was so physical, Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio referred to Houston merely as "a division opponent."

In other words, the Texans might want to wait a few more years -- and play a few games in December that matter -- before anointing anyone a rival.

If not, then they shouldn't expect Jacksonville to help them. The Jaguars have much bigger things in mind.

[redgoose]

Sorry guys. The season is officially over in terms of playoffs. I love watching the Texans win, but a nice draft pick would be nice. And that's kinda hard with the pathetic NFC.

At this point i'd just like to get good draft picks. Our last 2 #1's worked magic in their 1st year. A julius Peppers or Lee Suggs type that can put pressure on the opposing teams QB would be nice. That's something we're really missing.

[AggieRocket]

Originally posted by redgoose
Lee Suggs

I think you mean Terrell Suggs

[Uprising]

I really don't like the attitude of the Jax media.

[mateo]

10,000 unsold seats?

That sucks.

Fred Taylor is out, btw.

[leroy420]

Big win for the Texans today. Knock J'vill out of the playoffs. Maybe, hopefully, finally get some respect from the national press.

Texans 31
Jags 17


GO TEXANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rocket Fan]

I wonder if the 10k seat figure is right??? I'd have gone to the game but I figured they'd be sold out

[Rocket Fan]

nevermind for some reason I thought had read before that the game was in Houston... but it's not

[Rocket Fan]

I doubt many times consider the Jags as their rival either.. by reading that you'd think they were some team with some grand long history with famous rivalaries that was too good for us..

[Remix]

Leftsandwhich injured!

[codell]

Texans playing some inspired defense early. :eek:

7-0 Good Guys

[codell]

Texans are determined to run DD between the tackles and get some yardage.

Not working so far.

[Master Baiter]

Originally posted by codell
Texans are determined to run DD between the tackles and get some yardage.

Not working so far.
Their running game is stupid. Those idiot announcers were saying earlier how we had a successful running game. They obviously havent watched many Texans games. Also, if they call Dunta, Dante, one more time I'm going to blow up my TV. Thats really irritating.

[rocketlaunch]

Why does David Carr always do that... Every game he gets intentional grounding or something that looks to be that way... :mad:

[Kam]

i thought that it was pronounced dante?

like dante pastorini?

atleast that is what dunta said on the radio.

[rocketlaunch]

Originally posted by Kam
i thought that it was pronounced dante?

like dante pastorini?

atleast that is what dunta said on the radio.

you are correct

[codell]

wow

what a frickin run by DD

[codell]

TD Andre Johnson!!!!!!!!!

what a play!!!

Carr threw it up there and let him go get it!!!

[macalu]

i don't understand the 2 straight runs for davis after that long run. give him a breather. by the way, TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!1

[bigballerj]

The Texans strategy is to get the Jags defense tired by having to defend the run so many times (whether it's successful or not).

[bobmarley]

We are playing some football today houston.

14-0 Texans

[macalu]

WTF Glenn?

[bigballerj]

Aaron Glenn needs to stop fielding punts. :mad:

[Puedlfor]

Aaron Glenn- Bringing Adventure to the Mundane.

Crikey.

[Remix]

Glenn is going to give me a heart attack

[JPM0016]

Any explanation for why J.J. Moses was deactivated for the game today? He may not break one all the way but at least he's consistent.

[Rokkit]

Now that was a nice run.

[Master Baiter]

Crap

[Rokkit]

C'mon Bradford!!

[Master Baiter]

Awesome!

[codell]

dirty play by Antwan Peek

[Rokkit]

Man.

That 15 yards is going to hurt though.

[Master Baiter]

Originally posted by Rokkit
Man.

That 15 yards is going to hurt though.
At least we have the ball.

[macalu]

man, Leftwich is getting it stuck to him big time.

[Master Baiter]

Crap again

[Rokkit]

Originally posted by Master Baiter
At least we have the ball.

Well, we did.

Damn.

Wish Johnson could have broke that up.

[codell]

this is some weak play calling

:mad:

i sure hope we don't go into the "play not to lose" mode that we are famous for

[Rokkit]

holy crap.

[PhiSlammaJamma]

Ba bye Jags

[drapg]

Damn, Dunta did get screwed out of the Pro Bowl.

[codell]

if Robinson doesn't win ROY, it will be a crime

this guy is a playmaker

[Hippieloser]

They've earned some trash talk today. Ha ha.

[Tdogg]

Looks like this will be a great shut out by the texans. Great job team.

[bobmarley]

shutout.

yipee!

[DonnyMost]

so now if Buffalo loses to SF this week and Pittsburgh the next..

and if Baltimore loses to Miami next week..

and if Jacksonville loses to Oakland next week..

then the Texans make the playoffs!!!!

I BELIEVE!! (sorta)

[halfbreed]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DonnyMost
so now if Buffalo loses to SF this week and Pittsburgh the next..

and if Baltimore loses to Miami next week..

and if Jacksonville loses to Oakland next week..

then the Texans make the playoffs!!!!

I BELIEVE!! (sorta) [/QUOTE

There's no way we can make the playoffs. The two teams in the wild card lead already have 9 wins and the most we can get is 8.

[codell]

Yeah Denver winning officially eliminated us

[DonnyMost]

Originally posted by halfbreed

There's no way we can make the playoffs. The two teams in the wild card lead already have 9 wins and the most we can get is 8. [/B]

Oops, I forgot Denver won.

Stupid Titans.

[Rocket Fan]

The year is a success in my book.

Of course I wanted to make the playoffs, but my realistic hope for year 3 was anywhere between 7 and 9 wins putting us in position to compete for a playoff spot by year 4.

I admit when we lost to San Diego at the beginning of the year I was worried, but with what San Diego ended up being this year that loss looks totally different now.

[DonnyMost]

Being alive in the playoff picture going into week 16 in a TOUGH conference like the AFC is definately progress.

[Jturbofuel]

I said before the season if we still had a chance of making the playoffs going into the last month of the season I would be happy and we did.It figures the Titans would screw us losing a game they only did that to us 40yrs anyway.I am excited about next sunday with a chance to be 8-8 I think we are progressing right on schedule.Go Texans!!

[Chump]

126 yards allowed (31 passing) , 3 sacks, 2 fumbles, 1 int , ZERO points

what a dominating day for the Texans D


bring on dem browns

[Uprising]

FREAKIN AMAZING!

I want to read what the Jax papers have to say now.....no rivalry......dirty playing.... bunch of WANKERS!!!!!!:D :D

[MadMax]

Wow. Not only are they winning down the stretch of the season, they won this game against a quality team, on the road. And they seem to be showing real progress. Bodes well for the future.

[MadMax]

Wait...one more thing....

what was up with all the empty seats in Jacksonville yesterday?? am I the only one who noticed that???

they were playing a very meaningful game with real playoff implications. i saw a LOT of emtpy seats.

anyone else catch that??

[Blatz]

http://img150.exs.cx/img150/1405/543322001cg.jpg

[Blatz]

EMPTY FEELING (http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/122704/jag_lede.shtml)

With possible wild card at stake, Jaguars embarrassed by Texans

By VITO STELLINO , The Times-Union

On the day after Christmas in virtually perfect football weather, the Jaguars and their fans both failed to show up at Alltel Stadium Sunday.

The team that beat the Green Bay Packers in an emotional game on the frozen tundra in 12-degree weather a week ago was nowhere to be seen in the brisk 40-degree temperatures, though the Jaguars' playoff hopes were on the line.

The Jaguars looked flat and overconfident as they were pounded by the Houston Texans, 21-0. A once-promising season that started 3-0 fell to 8-7, and the Jaguars dropped from first to fourth among the four teams chasing the final AFC wild card. Even with a victory at Oakland next week, the Jaguars would need all the contenders ahead of them to lose.

There was no energy from the crowd to feed off of as it appeared that only a little more than half of the 66,277 fans who bought tickets bothered to attend after a cold, rainy morning.

The Jaguars managed a franchise low 126 yards of total offense while playing without running back Fred Taylor, who had a sprained knee. Quarterback Byron Leftwich suffered a concussion in the first quarter and was finally pulled for David Garrard in the fourth quarter.

"I'm shocked and disappointed that we could allow any defense to hold us down like that,'' said coach Jack Del Rio, whose team lost to the Texans for the second time this season. "It was not a good day for a bad game.''

Whether the team was distracted by the holidays or suffered a hangover after the Green Bay victory, it couldn't match the intensity of a Houston team that feels it doesn't get respect from Jaguars even though they're 4-2 against them.

Running back Domanick Davis shredded the Jaguars' run defense. He ripped off runs of 44 and 38 yards, and finished with 150 yards rushing, the most the team has allowed since Del Rio became head coach last season.

The Texans got a lift when they called heads for the coin toss at the start of the game and Jaguars linebacker Mike Peterson said, "I hope it's heads.''

"To me it's stupid [to say that],'' Houston tackle Seth Wand said. "I just try to ignore it. You really look stupid when you say something like that and lose.''

The coin was "heads" and the Texans took the opening kickoff and moved 65 yards for a touchdown in 10 plays. That was the only score they would need.

"They talk a lot. We talk a lot. I just know we didn't want their playoff [hopes] to continue on our watch,'' said Texans quarterback David Carr. "All we want is respect.''

Jaguars players were at a loss to describe what happened.

"I don't know, man. I can't really explain it,'' Peterson said. "We played like we were flat. It's hard to understand when there was so much on the line. The best thing for me to do is go home and lock myself in a room. That's how discouraging it is.''

"I'm stunned. I'm angry. I'm frustrated,'' added defensive tackle Marcus Stroud. "One, I know we can play better. Two, we should have played better. And three, I know we should have played better. That's all I'm worried about right now.''

Leftwich was allowed to return to the game despite suffering a mild concussion on the Jaguars' second series. He wound up with 35 yards passing and a 20.5 quarterback rating before being replaced in the fourth quarter.

"It's very disappointing,'' Leftwich said. "It's very embarrassing to go out and play the way we played in a game of this much importance. I guess you've got to learn from it.''

The Texans went up 14-0 in the second quarter when Davis' 44-yard run set up Carr's 10-yard touchdown pass to Andre Johnson, who caught the pass over Dewayne Washington.

The Texans' defense did the rest. The Jaguars had a scoring chance in the third quarter when they moved to the Houston 13, but Josh Scobee missed a 31-yard field goal.

The Jaguars were 1-for-10 on third-down conversions and minus-1 in turnovers after failing to recover a pair of fumbled punts by Aaron Glenn.

Former Jaguar Gary Walker said the Jaguars don't tend to give the Texans their due.

"They're sitting there worried about Baltimore and Pittsburgh. They should have been worried a little bit about us," Walker said.

The Jaguars remain a puzzling team that beat three playoff contenders (Buffalo, Denver and Indianapolis) and lost by a point to Pittsburgh but lost twice to the Texans and once to Tennessee.

Still, Del Rio isn't ready to give up on the playoffs.

"Certainly after a game like this, it's tough to really talk about it [playoffs]. I know we'll take a peek at it at some point. Until somebody tells me we can't go, I'm not conceding anything,'' Del Rio said.

[swilkins]

Funny. When I predict we lose, we win dominately.

Next week, the Browns beat us 147 - 2. :D

[ima_drummer2k]

Originally posted by MadMax
what was up with all the empty seats in Jacksonville yesterday?? am I the only one who noticed that???
The game was blacked out in J-ville. They didn't sell enough tickets by the deadline. It looked like they didn't sell enough tickets period. This is the city that tried to steal our Oilers years ago. Nice going, J-ville.

I heard on the radio that in our 1st 2 years, we had 1 win by more than 10 points. This year, we had 6. :eek: How's that for improvement?

Just wait until we figure out how to win the close games.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by ima_drummer2k
The game was blacked out in J-ville. They didn't sell enough tickets by the deadline. It looked like they didn't sell enough tickets period. This is the city that tried to steal our Oilers years ago. Nice going, J-ville.


wow...i didn't know that!!! is this typical in J-Ville? have they had a hard time selling out games for a while?? i would think for a team on the verge of the playoffs, the place would be packed!

[Phillyrocket]

Originally posted by MadMax
wow...i didn't know that!!! is this typical in J-Ville? have they had a hard time selling out games for a while?? i would think for a team on the verge of the playoffs, the place would be packed!

Actually it is typical in J-hole. The local media is trying to put a spin on it saying everyone was out of town for X-mas, and the usual stadium is too big and the local population only interested in Nascar, I mean too small.

Great, great win I'm still smiling. Time to finish up 8-8 next week at home.:cool:

[Lil Francis]

J'Ville is one sorry sports town. You have a team in the playoff mix and you can only fill up half the seats? NFL should move the Super Bowl to a real football city (Houston).

[JayZ750]

Is their a website that does strength of schedule after the season?

I mean, before the season everyone says San Diego, that should be a win and Tennessee, those will be tough games. In retrospect, I wonder what kind of strength of schedule the Texans will end up with?

[Chump]

Originally posted by JayZ750
Is their a website that does strength of schedule after the season?

I mean, before the season everyone says San Diego, that should be a win and Tennessee, those will be tough games. In retrospect, I wonder what kind of strength of schedule the Texans will end up with?

as of right now, our opponents combined W-L record is 151-151 (.500)

I have no idea how that compares to any other team

the only really bad lost we've have is to Detroit, everyone else we've lost to is going to the playoffs

[Jturbofuel]

I read the other day that 13 of the last 17 home games in Jacksonville didn't sell out in time to lift the blackout. Houston's own John Mcclain said they shouldn't have gotten the team to begin with which I thought was pretty funny,he also said they were going to cover some seats for Jags games next year to help them with this.Nice fans Jags that why your stadium was empty by the 3rd quarter yesterday way to be loyal.I am sure your team was able to pull the daggers out of their backs you stabbed them with.:D

[MadMax]

I'm just surprised there aren't more fans showing up. That's a pretty good, young, exciting team...and that place was dead. Seriously..looked like the Dome during the lame duck years. Entire sections left open. I was shocked. My wife kept saying, "maybe it's really cold there." But it wasn't that cold.

[Blatz]

No passion during game, or afterward (http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/122704/spf_mike.shtml)

By MIKE FREEMAN, Times-Union columnist

Is it too much to ask for a little effort, fellas? I mean, it is only the season on the line and all.

Was there a Christmas party you guys had to attend? Too much eggnog? Not enough presents? Talk to me. Tell me why you played one of the worst games in franchise history, at a time when you needed to play one of your best. Explain why a Houston team that came looking for blood, punked you out in your own backyard.

Never in Jack Del Rio's most twisted dreams would he have imagined his team laying this kind of rotten egg stinker with so much at stake. Scientists are patrolling distant parts of the solar system for signs of life, but after this 21-0 embarrassment they need to turn those sensors onto Alltel Stadium and search for a pulse. When a mediocre Domanick Davis looks like Jim Brown, it is time for the team to seek therapy.

This was the same Jaguars squad that just last week beat Green Bay in the Antarctic? Did the spirit of Christmas Knucklehead take over the bodies of the coaches and players? It is not that the Jaguars can't handle prosperity. It is that they treat it like it's a radioactive hot potato.

The good news is that no one saw this abomination because the game was blacked out on local television, and just nine people were in the stands.

"The best thing for me to do is go lock myself in a room," said linebacker Mike Peterson. "That's how discouraging it is. Go home, lock myself in a room, stay away from anybody."

In the locker room afterward, I expected to see outrage. Chairs thrown and curses levied and reporters tossed out on their behinds. What I saw was calm. This is a professional group, to their credit, but every now and then doesn't Del Rio or someone else need to have one of those classic Bill Parcells tirades, where Gatorade canisters and egos get smashed against the wall? Someone, sometimes, needs to get medieval on somebody.

Where was the anger? Where was the disgust?

"I plead the fifth," replied defensive lineman Marcus Stroud, when asked why players weren't visibly upset.

Players say that at halftime, when the Jaguars trailed by two touchdowns, the locker room was calm. After the game, again, calmness. Del Rio told the players that this was no time to panic.

Actually, panic time started after Davis broke out for 44 yards in the second quarter.

If it wasn't time to panic why was Stroud, the emotional leader of the team, marching up and down the Jaguars sideline, screaming, "This is our playoff game. Right here.''

Meanwhile, on the Houston bench, one of the Texans players, linebacker Jason Babin, was yelled at by one of the Houston coaches so profusely for blowing an assignment I thought the coach's head was going to explode.

The game was meaningless for them but the Texans coaching staff fought with the kind of passion and viciousness you expected the Jaguars coaches to possess.

"There are people in this locker room that are very angry," said safety Deon Grant. "Everything we have at stake and we play like that? But we will take care of things in house, not in public."

Unfortunately, it may be too late for that, or even for an old fashioned hissy fit from the coach.

[ima_drummer2k]

Jack Del Rio is a loser.

He showed his true colors when he told his player to take out JJ Moses last year. The guy took his head off after he called for a fair catch. He got a penalty and they showed Del Rio patting him on the back afterwards.

Jack Del Rio is a loser.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by ima_drummer2k
Jack Del Rio is a loser.

He showed his true colors when he told his player to take out JJ Moses last year. The guy took his head off after he called for a fair catch. He got a penalty and they showed Del Rio patting him on the back afterwards.

Jack Del Rio is a loser.

i like the way you start out telling the audience what your main idea is. then you expound upon it, providing the real meat of the message....only to follow it up by reiterating your main point, again. well played, young man. well played, indeed.

[Austin70]

And he isn't to smart either, putting a tree stump and an axe in the locker room..........brilliant.