Election Day Thread

[Lil Pun]

Well election day has finally come as many people on the east coast are up right now dropping off their votes in ballot boxes. Sure early voting has started but today is the day...finally. In less than 24 hours we should have the same president or a new one. One of the biggest elections ever, if not the biggest, will happen today. We will see if the NFL and MLB superstitions hold up. We will see Bush keep the title of President or we will see Kerry gain the title. I, for one, am glad it is here and gald that is will finally be over in 24 hours, unless of course we have another fiasco as we did back in 2000. Well let's welcome the election day and the results that will follow later on today!

[DaDakota]

I think Kerry wins easily.

Kerry 52 %
GW 46%

DD

[nyquil82]

good thread.

At this point, I just hope it goes smoothly because I really want get on with my life.

since DD started bets, I'm going to say Bush wins, although it'd be great if Kerry wins the electorate but loses the popular vote. Whoever wins, I'm going to be very critical of them, if Kerry wins, you just might see me on Basso's side next year.

[Lil Pun]

Originally posted by nyquil82
good thread.

At this point, I just hope it goes smoothly because I really want get on with my life.


Thanks, I hope it goes smothly also because I definitely don't want another 2000. I remember in Civics class after election day in 2000 we talked about how the whole world must've been laughing at us because we, the United States, were supposed to be the staple of democracy yet we couldn't even get it right that year.

[vaioavan63]

yall boyz ready to vote for KERRY?! yea yall betta

[AggieRocket]

As much as it pains me to say it, I think Bush will pull it off

Bush 54%
Kerry 46%

Bush 272
Kerry 265

I am just not convinced that Kerry has done enough to win.

[RocketManJosh]

I just hope that whoever wins can win by enough that we don't have to deal with endless legal challenges and stupid claims that the President is as illegitimate as any Shawn Kemp Jr (ive heard there are quite a few). I'm already hearing about lawsuits in PA about 26,000 military votes that might not get counted. I don't want to hear about crap like that for the next 3 weeks.

I'm for Bush, but if Kerry is going to win then let it be by a clear margin. As long as we don't have weeks of turmoil and indecision in regards to who is president.

[Tyree]

Originally posted by RocketManJosh
I just hope that whoever wins can win by enough that we don't have to deal with endless legal challenges and stupid claims that the President is as illegitimate as any Shawn Kemp Jr (ive heard there are quite a few). I'm already hearing about lawsuits in PA about 26,000 military votes that might not get counted. I don't want to hear about crap like that for the next 3 weeks.

I'm for Bush, but if Kerry is going to win then let it be by a clear margin. As long as we don't have weeks of turmoil and indecision in regards to who is president.

exactly my thoughts...just want this crap to be over

[sums41]

I just want Democracy to win. I hope we don't do the same stuff we did in 2000. I also want Kerry to win but that's because i'm in the anyone but Bush club.

/remember, we only get to choose between a big dousche and a turd sandwitch so whatever.

[IROC it]

The first results are in from that wee little town in NH...

BUSH 19
Kerry 7
Nader 0

Landslide!!!

[lalala902102001]

My projection: It's either going to be a narrow win by Bush or a substantial win by Kerry.

On another note, I'm planning to watch the Rockets play tomorrow night.

[Batman Jones]

Originally posted by lalala902102001
My projection: It's either going to be a narrow win by Bush or a substantial win by Kerry.

That's a good read. It could also be a slim Kerry win. A Bush landslide's unlikely. If the polls are right, it could go either way by a slim margin. If they're wrong, it's because they failed to poll cell users (primarily young), other young people and first time voters in right proportions. And that could mean a substantial Kerry win, but almost certainly not a substantial Bush one. High turnout favors Democrats. Young voters showing up favors Democrats. And first time voters favor the challenger. I'm not predicting a Kerry win though. The polls might be 'right.' If they are, what we know is that we know nothing. If they're wrong, it probably favors Kerry -- to a slim margin or a wide one.

No matter who wins the race though, I'm winning some Rockets tickets. Ain't no way Bush gets 57%.

May the best man win.

[DCkid]

Excluding early voters, was I the first to cast my ballot today? Submitted my vote at 6:09 am EST. :)

I'm just the glad Rockets season-opener is tonight. It should help to keep my mind off of the election.

[basso]

i woke up early and got to my polling station about 10 minutes before the polls opened at 6am. there were about 20 people standing around in the dark, more lining up behind me in a steady stream. doors opened slightly late, and things were extremely disorganized. seemed like the poll workers (average age 110) hadn't been briefed on the process of setting up nyc's ancient voting machines. thank god it won't be close here- nyc makes florida look like a model of honesty and efficiency.

I was the first to vote on machine 001, 38th precinct. as you can see in these photos, the senior center where i vote hadn't bothered to take down the anti-bush editorials on the bulletin board next to the voting booth.

http://netchord.com/images/38_precinct3.jpg

http://netchord.com/images/38_precinct.jpg

http://netchord.com/images/38_precinct2.jpg
First line reads: "Ideologues in the Bush Administration..."

this is probably just absentmindedness on their part, but i still find it troubling, and it certainly wouldn't be tolerated anywhere but the upper west side.

[pirc1]

Voted at 7:10, electronic voting! I highly doubt voting machine fraud is possible unless the people in charge of database are messing with the system then everything is off. If you know how to use ATM you should not have any problem with the machines. I hope there will be a clear winner by tomorrow too.

Mark

[RocketMan Tex]

I early voted. Y'all pretty much know where I stand.

Here is what I think will happen....

Both candidates will wake up tomorrow with less than 50% of the popular vote and less than 270 electoral votes.

Instead of one state being too close to call by the next morning(as in 2000), there will be 4-5 states too close to call tomorrow morning.

And then the shenanigans will begin...on both sides.

It will be even more confusing and vicious than in 2000.

And, in the end, approximately 6 weeks from now, the Republican Party, in possible conjunction with the Supreme Court and the Congress, will schtakumpf another one for George W. Bush.

Both parties will engage in brutal vicious dirty tricks and shenanigans in the next 6 weeks. The Republicans are a little better at it, and willing to dig a little deeper into the sh*tpile in order to get the job done. That will make the difference.

:(

Anybody got a beer? I need one after typing all that.

[bobmarley]

Originally posted by RocketMan Tex
Both parties will engage in brutal vicious dirty tricks and shenanigans in the next 6 weeks. The Republicans are a little better at it, and willing to dig a little deeper into the sh*tpile in order to get the job done. That will make the difference.

This of course is just one man's opinion.:rolleyes:

[Trader_Jorge]

I must say, I expected much more vitriol and mudslinging on the eve of the election. I suppose the stakes are so high that no one wants to be quoted supporting the eventual loser. Everyone is so guarded. Tonight should change things.

[bobmarley]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
I must say, I expected much more vitriol and mudslinging on the eve of the election. I suppose the stakes are so high that no one wants to be quoted supporting the eventual loser. Everyone is so guarded. Tonight should change things.

I think everyone knows who is voting for who in this forum for the most part. No big excitement here.:)

[bobmarley]

Originally posted by basso
I was the first to vote on machine 001, 38th precinct. as you can see in these photos, the senior center where i vote hadn't bothered to take down the anti-bush editorials on the bulletin board next to the voting booth.

this is probably just absentmindedness on their part, but i still find it troubling, and it certainly wouldn't be tolerated anywhere but the upper west side.

If this would have been an anti- kerry article this would have been the morning headline on all the stations.

Or maybe just deserve it's own thread.;)

[Cesar^Geronimo]

voted at 7am eastern time in the battleground state of Pennsylvania.

It was by far the biggest line I have ever seen (and I've been voting since the 80's). I waited in line 45 minutes. I can't imagine what it will look like after work!!!

It is great to see so many people participating in the democratic process.

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally posted by Cesar^Geronimo
voted at 7am eastern time in the battleground state of Pennsylvania.

It was by far the biggest line I have ever seen (and I've been voting since the 80's). I waited in line 45 minutes. I can't imagine what it will look like after work!!!

It is great to see so many people participating in the democratic process.

Agreed!

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally posted by bobmarley
This of course is just one man's opinion.:rolleyes:

Yup!:p

[ROCKSS]

At this point I dont really care who wins as long as whoever is sitting in the Oval Office will do something positive for America over the next 4 years.

[Kam]

how long does it take to vote?


my voting place is precinct 496.

i have to work at 11am, and i am getting ready to go in ten minutes. I hope it takes less than 30.

How was the line to vote?


I hope they dont turn me away because of my skin color.




that last line was a joke.

[mleahy999]

In my town, half the races have the candidates running unopposed... again. Maybe I should run for sheriff or county commissioner next time.

[4chuckie]

I got to the poll at 6:15 (opens at 6:30). Was about 60-70th in line. Doors opened at 6:30 but noone could get into the votign room until 6:38.
From there it sucked. How can peopel show up to vote that don't know the issues? Ohio set up a 5 minute limit to vote (meaning once you got inside you have 5 minutes to vote). People couldn't make up their minds. I don't think it was the President part but all teh jodges, smoking ban, same sex marriage, city bonds, school levy, and all the judges.
I finally got through at 7:30 and there was at least 200 people in line. Noone challenged any voters when I was there but as I walked out there was the NAACP handing out propoganda right outside the school (legally they have to be 100-150 feet away from teh property). A guy was there on his cell phone (while another guy videotaped it) and was trying to get through the the board of elections. I was already late so i don't know if anything will come of it or not.

[ArtV]

Originally posted by RocketMan Tex
I early voted. Y'all pretty much know where I stand.

Here is what I think will happen....

Both candidates will wake up tomorrow with less than 50% of the popular vote and less than 270 electoral votes.

Instead of one state being too close to call by the next morning(as in 2000), there will be 4-5 states too close to call tomorrow morning.

And then the shenanigans will begin...on both sides.

It will be even more confusing and vicious than in 2000.

And, in the end, approximately 6 weeks from now, the Republican Party, in possible conjunction with the Supreme Court and the Congress, will schtakumpf another one for George W. Bush.

Both parties will engage in brutal vicious dirty tricks and shenanigans in the next 6 weeks. The Republicans are a little better at it, and willing to dig a little deeper into the sh*tpile in order to get the job done. That will make the difference.

:(

Anybody got a beer? I need one after typing all that.

I think you're right.

[VooDooPope]

At 740 this morning I was the first person to vote in prec. 225.

I was in and out in 10 mins. Hardly a line at all.

I was undecided until the moment I saw the canidates names on the ballot. I struggled with the decision but it was easy in the end.

[FranchiseBlade]

I will probably one of the last people on the bbs to cast my vote. I will be voting after work in California.

If anyone has any early returns or predictions to post I will look forward to reading them as the day goes on.

[Lil Pun]

What time will we know th results of everything? I'm in Central Time.

[Another Brother]

I have never seen as many African Americans voting as I have today. There has never been a push like this.

[bigtexxx]

EXCLUSIVE bigtexxx prediction:

Bush will win Florida and Ohio and win the election.

[Lil Pun]

Originally posted by Another Brother
I have never seen as many African Americans voting as I have today. There has never been a push like this.

That's great. Maybe the African American entertainment sector really did do good in their effort to get the voter turnout up. Has anybody seen a substantial amount of young voters anywhere?

[bobmarley]

Originally posted by Another Brother
I have never seen as many African Americans voting as I have today. There has never been a push like this.

In general voting numbers look to be way up. the numbers look to be up to where they were during the fifties.:eek:

[FranchiseBlade]

Originally posted by bobmarley
In general voting numbers look to be way up. the numbers look to be up to where they were during the fifties.:eek:

Of course with African American voters it will be much higher than in the 50's when, for the most part African Americans couldn't vote.

[Phillyrocket]

Originally posted by Lil Pun
That's great. Maybe the African American entertainment sector really did do good in their effort to get the voter turnout up. Has anybody seen a substantial amount of young voters anywhere?

Here in Albq, I've never seen so many young people (18-20's) at the polls, ringing doorbells, carrying signs, volunteering etc. It's great to see. Anybody have any celebreties going door to door locally? Sean Penn showed up at my co-worker's door this morning! And Leo Dicaprio is in town as well.

[Batman Jones]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
I must say, I expected much more vitriol and mudslinging on the eve of the election. I suppose the stakes are so high that no one wants to be quoted supporting the eventual loser. Everyone is so guarded. Tonight should change things.

Tonight will change things. There's no doubt about that. On the site, maybe. In the country and the world, definitely -- no matter who wins. Given that the race is completely impossible to predict, by every known measurement standard, I wouldn't say people are especially guarded. Well, except maybe you. Haven't heard that 'life support' stuff in a dog's age.

texxx: Not especially exclusive and certainly not daring. Most of the Bush camp has been making that prediction for a while now.

[Batman Jones]

Originally posted by Phillyrocket
Here in Albq

Philly:

Where do you live in ABQ? I was on Vassar SE (btwn Lead and Coal) from Jan-May.

[bigtexxx]

Originally posted by Batman Jones
texxx: Not especially exclusive and certainly not daring. Most of the Bush camp has been making that prediction for a while now.

What is your prediction? I challenge you to go on the record right now.

[Trader_Jorge]

Originally posted by Another Brother
I have never seen as many African Americans voting as I have today. There has never been a push like this.

There is more of every race voting today.

[Another Brother]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
There is more of every race voting today.

I wonder if the polls reflected those "other" races?

[Batman Jones]

Originally posted by bigtexxx
What is your prediction? I challenge you to go on the record right now.

I can give you my gut take, which is a slim Kerry win. But it's mostly just a feeling and maybe a wishful one. The race is tied. Florida's tied, Ohio's tied and a good case could be made that Wisconsin, Iowa, NH, Pennsylvania, Minnesota and even New Mexico might be tied too. I'm heartened by the trends and I agree with a lot of Will's predictions on slate. I think Bush probably gets Ohio. Kerry probably gets PA. And it might well come down to Florida. Then again, it could be a Bush or Kerry sweep of all the states above. Anyone who thinks they know more than this (or even to be confident in the results of any of the above states) is just wrong. It's impossible.

My gut says Kerry in PA; four out of five in WI, NH, MN, MI, Iowa and, if I had to guess, Florida. Bush in OH, NM, NV, CO and one out of five of the above. Hawaii could surprise for Bush too, but then so could Arkansas for Kerry. And if I get any of that right, it's a lucky guess.

Want my real prediction? Tonight's going to be a trip.

[Trader_Jorge]

Originally posted by Another Brother
I wonder if the polls reflected those "other" races?

There are more white people voting today than ever before. I have never seen a push like this.


In other news, the liberals are up to their same dirty tricks. From the powerlineblog:

A reader in Wisconsin reports that thirty vans that the Republican Party had rented to drive their voters to the polls had their tires slashed last night. Will report more if we get further information.

[nyquil82]

www.mypollingplace.com is down since this morning, anyone else have this same problem? Could it be from too much traffic (which is bad oversight on their part) or something more sinister?

[basso]

Originally posted by Another Brother
I have never seen as many African Americans voting as I have today. There has never been a push like this.

and bush will pick up a larger share of those votes than he did in 2000.

[basso]

i won't predict the elctoral college (oh what the hell, bush gets 286EVs), but i will predict bush not only wins the popular vote, but does so w/ an absolute majority of better than 50%.

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally posted by basso
and bush will pick up a larger share of those votes than he did in 2000.

If he doesn't, he's toast.

[Baqui99]

Alright, I'm off to the polls.

[basso]

oh, and bush wins florida, kerry penn, bush all the western swingers and iowa. it comes down to ohio and wisconsin, w/ the latter being the real squeeker.

[basso]

btw, excellent EV calculator here:

http://www.grayraven.com/ec/

you can plugin any scenario you like.

[plcmts17]

fwiw, a local tv station in Las Vegas reported that 400,000 voted early or by absentee. They are expecting over a million people to vote in Nevada, which would be a first. 700,000 of those are expected to be in southern NV.

[Chump]

voted this moring at around 8:45, no line at all, walked right in

glad I didn't wait in the 2 hour line during early voting

my prediction, Kerry 299, Bush 239

[Isabel]

Originally posted by Chump
voted this moring at around 8:45, no line at all, walked right in


Same here. Of course, there may not be much of a line out here in "Podunk, Texas" anyway, but I was afraid of what might happen if I waited until I was free again at 4:00. I just got up early and got it over with. There was probably more of a crowd a little earlier than that, but I had the advantage of not having to be at work until 9:30.

I just wish they'd been giving little "I voted" stickers or pins, so I could show off that I did something, for once in my life, before the very last minute. :D

[ROCKSS]

For those of us who voted early, are the results already counted or do they start counting them today? I cant wait to see the results of early voting, IMO it will be a larger turnout then expected. I have friends who havent voted in years who are out voting today or have already voted.....Awesome

[Jeff]

Originally posted by ROCKSS
For those of us who voted early, are the results already counted or do they start counting them today? I cant wait to see the results of early voting, IMO it will be a larger turnout then expected. I have friends who havent voted in years who are out voting today or have already voted.....Awesome

Early voting results will not be counted or posted until tonight. They are usually the first returns to come out - around 7pm.

It is likely that the early vote will favor the GOP. It always does because, traditionally, their constituents are the one's who early vote the most. Dems - particularly minorities - tend to reserve their votes until election day.

[Phillyrocket]

Originally posted by Batman Jones
Philly:

Where do you live in ABQ? I was on Vassar SE (btwn Lead and Coal) from Jan-May.

Live at University and Indian School but just moved here from PA in July.

[Batman Jones]

Originally posted by Phillyrocket
Live at University and Indian School but just moved here from PA in July.

That's funny. I just moved to PA in July.

Jeff: Pretty sure exit polls so far (in Florida at least) have shown Kerry winning early voting. Then again, we know what exit polls are worth these days.

[Pipe]

Originally posted by RocketMan Tex
And, in the end, approximately 6 weeks from now, the Republican Party, in possible conjunction with the Supreme Court and the Congress, will schtakumpf another one for George W. Bush.

Being in the legal profession Yiddish is a second language, but I don't know this one ...

[DonnyMost]

Originally posted by basso
oh, and bush wins florida, kerry penn, bush all the western swingers and iowa. it comes down to ohio and wisconsin, w/ the latter being the real squeeker.

basically whoever doesn't win florida has to run the table on all the swing states to win, right?

[bigtexxx]

Futures markets show Bush starting to pull away in Ohio and Florida. His contracts have increased in value throughout the morning.

[pirc1]

What is this future market on election anyway?

Mark

[ROCKET RICH NYC]

Just came back from voting in NJ. Since moving to NJ in 2000, I remember what voting was like the last presidential elections. My voting precint is predominantly White, Democratic, Elderly. In 2000, it literally took my less than 5 minutes to cast my vote. Today, I saw a lot of minorities voting and younger people. As opposed to 2000, the election workers were mixed in age and ethnic background. In 2000, it was a bunch of seniors working. Also, the other change was the voting machine switching to an electronic booth as opposed to the old-school levers. It also took me about 15 minutes to cast my vote. Also, before I got to the school, I saw some Republican supporters passing out flyers to people as you walked by. That was something I never saw in 2000. I definitely saw more Bush supporters out in full force this election in NJ.

[Isabel]

We always vote with "Scan-trons". Never pulled a lever or used a computer or punched a chad (or left one hanging).

I read that the average poll worker is 72 years old. Average. Wow... who's going to take their place in a few years?

[ima_drummer2k]

Originally posted by Kam
I hope they dont turn me away because of my skin color.
Me too. I'm surprised they didn't kick me out because of the color of my skin. My face is so sunburned from Sunday that they probably thought I was trying to intimidate people into voting Republican by painting my face red (as in 'red' states).

"WE'RE THE DEVIL'S!!!!! AAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!"

I waited in line for about 45 minutes. While in line at the school, the 'morning announcements' which were done by the kids came on. Those little kids were doing a real live tv newscast. They were decked out in suits and ties and everything. They were reading cue-cards like little champions while they announced what was for lunch that day and the daily weather report.

We all got a kick out of that. :D Made us all forget about the whole election for a little while. It was nice. Kind of made me want to get back into teaching, but I digress...

Anyway, I voted AGAINST Prop 1 and FOR Prop 2. I ended up voting FOR Prop 3. I wasn't even aware there was a Prop 3. I read the ballot language and it sounded good to me, so what the hell.

So what is Prop 3 anyway?

[Nolen]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
A reader in Wisconsin reports that thirty vans that the Republican Party had rented to drive their voters to the polls had their tires slashed last night. Will report more if we get further information.

If that's true it's just horrible. Everyone should have an opportunity to vote.

[DonnyMost]

Anyway, I voted AGAINST Prop 1 and FOR Prop 2. I ended up voting FOR Prop 3. I wasn't even aware there was a Prop 3. I read the ballot language and it sounded good to me, so what the hell.

Shame on you :p

[montevideo]

Originally posted by ROCKSS
For those of us who voted early, are the results already counted or do they start counting them today? I cant wait to see the results of early voting, IMO it will be a larger turnout then expected. I have friends who havent voted in years who are out voting today or have already voted.....Awesome

Usually polling places do not submit results until after they close. They can't close until they receive their absentee ballots which are hand delivered during the day. That was my experience when I served as an election judge in Illinois which was b4 all the electronic voting - which one would think - would make things quicker.

Big 5 battle ground states closing times - FL 7pm; OH 7:30; PA 8pm; MI 8pm; NJ 8pm - all those are EST. So by 7pm here they should all be closed and results should start trickling back. If that cluster doesn't settle things - then it's gonna be an all nighter.

Remember that the big three talking heads are going to be real trigger shy because of their collective gaffu's last time round.

Polling times link:
http://www.rockthevote.com/polling_times.php

[ghost2003]

Originally posted by AggieRocket
As much as it pains me to say it, I think Bush will pull it off

Bush 54%
Kerry 46%

Bush 272
Kerry 265

I am just not convinced that Kerry has done enough to win.


But I am convinced that Bush has done more than enough to lose.

[nyquil82]

I believe that even if the voting deadline ends, as long as there are still people waiting in line, they still have to let them vote. So if a busy polling place says its closing 7, that doesn't mean that that the votes will be submitted right away.

[ima_drummer2k]

Originally posted by nyquil82
I believe that even if the voting deadline ends, as long as there are still people waiting in line, they still have to let them vote. So if a busy polling place says its closing 7, that doesn't mean that that the votes will be submitted right away.
I was wondering about that because most of my coworkers are saying they have to vote after work. We won't get out of here until around 5:30, so you mix in the regular traffic with high water and lines at the polling places, I wonder if they'll even get to vote at all.

Good thing I voted this morning and came in late.

[mleahy999]

I'm pulling for an early Kerry victory. Bon Jovi, Sheryl Crow and the Boss is suppose to perform if Kerry wins. If not, it's freakin' Toby Keith at the White House.

[bigtexxx]

Originally posted by mleahy999
I'm pulling for an early Kerry victory. Bon Jovi, Sheryl Crow and the Boss is suppose to perform if Kerry wins. If not, it's freakin' Toby Keith at the White House.

Toby Keith is a long-time registered Democrat.

I'd love to hear Brooks and Dunn perform if Bush wins. They played at the RNC.

[DonnyMost]

Originally posted by bigtexxx
Toby Keith is a long-time registered Democrat.

This keeps getting brought up, but it really means nothing.

Walks like a duck..

[Lil Pun]

I keep hearing everybody say that we really won't know who the president will be for a couple more weeks. Why?

[mleahy999]

Originally posted by bigtexxx
Toby Keith is a long-time registered Democrat.


Who cares! Tobey Keith sucks. Plus, does it really matter what party affiliation the performer belongs to? If Bon Jovi was registered with Satan, I would still like to listen to them play.

[4chuckie]

Great news from Ohio!

Early exit polls (unofficial so no links availalble until the polls close) but Bush leads 49-41%.

Before anyone asks the other 10% failed/declined to answer. As you can tell the 10% could potentially swing it to Kerry, but it looks great to me!

Come on Florida we need you too!

Also just of note: Certain people are privy to such info (major media, campaigns themselves and big investors), I was informed people like Rush know the early numbers. he is pumped up today. If you heard him 4 years ago he was almost in shock begging people to go out and vote. Today he is saying Bush will take over 50% of the vote and he is pumped!

The other tell-tale sign is to watch CNN's "Inside Politics". If Judy Woodruff is dressed in "Red" and is "Giddy" then it is good news for kerry.

4 more years!

[Batman Jones]

4chuckie:

Where'd you get that?

[bigtexxx]

Originally posted by 4chuckie
Great news from Ohio!


Great start - keep up the good fight!

[DonnyMost]

Originally posted by Lil Pun
I keep hearing everybody say that we really won't know who the president will be for a couple more weeks. Why?

Recounts. Late votes. Litigation.

If you thought one state in 2000 was bad, wait til we get four in 2004.

[DonnyMost]

Originally posted by Batman Jones
4chuckie:

Where'd you get that?

Don't worry about that, we just need to start making crap up like that to counter it. :D

[bigtexxx]

Originally posted by Batman Jones
4chuckie:

Where'd you get that?

Seems to be getting priced into the Ohio futures contracts, also. They now have Bush favored around 60/40 over Kerry

[whag00]

Early exit polls (not worth 2 cents but interesting)

AZ CO LA PA OH FL MI NM MN WI IA NH
Kerry 45 48 42 60 52 51 51 50 58 52 49 57
Bush 55 51 57 40 48 48 47 48 40 43 49 41


www.mydd.com

per VNS

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally posted by Batman Jones
4chuckie:

Where'd you get that?

From an acid flashback

[4chuckie]

Originally posted by Batman Jones
4chuckie:

Where'd you get that?

A friend works for RNC here in Columbus. She even asked about the 10% and was told the 10% was people who didn't answer.

One of my Partners helped lead the Reagan campaigns here in town and he told me about the media, campaigns and big donors knowing by noon what is happening in Key precints east of the Miss. River and said to listne to Rush and look to see what Judy wears and how she acts.

[Batman Jones]

Originally posted by DonnyMost
Don't worry about that, we just need to start making crap up like that to counter it. :D

I don't think he's making it up. I was just curious where it was from. I wouldn't be surprised if Ohio went to Bush by that margin. IIRC, the GOP's got one of their better ground operations there.

[montevideo]

Originally posted by 4chuckie
...
Also just of note: Certain people are privy to such info (major media, campaigns themselves and big investors), I was informed people like Rush know the early numbers. he is pumped up today. If you heard him 4 years ago he was almost in shock begging people to go out and vote. Today he is saying Bush will take over 50% of the vote and he is pumped!
...

Rush has no friends.
He buys that data from Zogby and others like most of the news outlets.
http://www.zogby.com/

[Batman Jones]

Originally posted by whag00
Early exit polls (not worth 2 cents but interesting)

AZ CO LA PA OH FL MI NM MN WI IA NH
Kerry 45 48 42 60 52 51 51 50 58 52 49 57
Bush 55 51 57 40 48 48 47 48 40 43 49 41


www.mydd.com

per VNS

Wow. Thanks for the link. Very early, so you're right it's not reliable, but if this holds Kerry has the biggest mandate since Reagan.

[Trader_Jorge]

Originally posted by Batman Jones
Wow. Thanks for the link. Very early, so you're right it's not reliable, but if this holds Kerry has the biggest mandate since Reagan.

Wow. You've gone from devastated to jubilant in two posts!

[Faos]

Just did my part in the sticks of Richmond, deep in Fort Bend County. No lines whatsoever.

I feel good.

[basso]

Originally posted by DonnyMost
Recounts. Late votes. Litigation.

If you thought one state in 2000 was bad, wait til we get four in 2004.

there won't be four. cautiously optimistic there won't be any.

[basso]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
Wow. You've gone from devastated to jubilant in two posts!

perfect! sorry batman, you know who loves you...

[bamaslammer]

I pray that the vote I cast today in the Great Swing State of Florida will be the one to push GWB over the edge and we get to hear even more wailing and gnashing of teeth from the Left. I can hardly wait.
By the way folks, Florida is a fine place, even if there are far too many people driving 20 mph slower than the speed limit in the fast lane on I-4 and oldsters who think Rascal scooters are street-legal vehicles. :D

[basso]

Originally posted by bamaslammer
I pray that the vote I cast today in the Great Swing State of Florida will be the one to push GWB over the edge and we get to hear even more wailing and gnashing of teeth from the Left. I can hardly wait.
By the way folks, Florida is a fine place, even if there are far too many people driving 20 mph slower than the speed limit in the fast lane on I-4 and oldsters who think Rascal scooters are street-legal vehicles. :D

where do you live? i'll be in tampa tomorrow and lauderdale/miami thursday.

[bamaslammer]

Originally posted by basso
where do you live? i'll be in tampa tomorrow and lauderdale/miami thursday.
Big-T, actually Clearwater.

[Trader_Jorge]

I just voted. Door to door it took me 10 minutes max. No line. I spent probably 30 seconds inside the booth. Straight ticket Republican, voted on a couple referendums, checked to make sure Bush was highlighted, and hit the Cast Ballot button. Very simple.

[RocketMan Tex]

I have been hearing from friends that voted here in Houston during the mid-day (11AM-1PM) that there were no lines and no wait to vote.

[4chuckie]

Originally posted by whag00
Early exit polls (not worth 2 cents but interesting)

AZ CO LA PA OH FL MI NM MN WI IA NH
Kerry 45 48 42 60 52 51 51 50 58 52 49 57
Bush 55 51 57 40 48 48 47 48 40 43 49 41


Now reports are saying these ntl. numbers are 59% female, 41% male. Explains alot of the differences (in Ohio pre-elections polls said 53% of males prefer Bush, 53% of females prefer Kerry)

Come on men - go vote!

[Batman Jones]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
Wow. You've gone from devastated to jubilant in two posts!

Devastated? LOL. I predicted a Kerry win with Bush taking Ohio, so I could hardly be devastated by Bush taking Ohio. I wasn't jubilant about the early exits either and I said they weren't reliable. I was, however, jubilant walking out of the polls in PA fifteen minutes ago. I freaking love voting.

[whag00]

Senate races: Thune +4 Castor +3 Burr +6 Bunning +6 Coburn +6 Demint +4 Salazar +4

www.drudgereport.com

I can't believe Coburn and Bunning are still up...there sure are some loyal Republicans out there.

[basso]

Originally posted by whag00
Senate races: Thune +4 Castor +3 Burr +6 Bunning +6 Coburn +6 Demint +4 Salazar +4

www.drudgereport.com

I can't believe Coburn and Bunning are still up...there sure are some loyal Republicans out there.

good news about thune.

[Castor27]

Originally posted by whag00
Senate races: T Castor +3
Yeah baby I'm +3 in the exit polls

[RocketMan Tex]

I find it absolutely hilarious that some believe whatever is posted on Drudge. The man's prior career was selling stuffed Dumbos out of the store at the front gate of the Disney lot in Burbank. He is this generation's Walter Winchell, and Winchell was as much of a journalist as Rush Limbaugh is today!

[Sir Jackie Chiles]

Is it legal in the US to publish exit polls during election day on the day of the election? In Germany, media outlets are prohibited from doing that...or at least, they don't, maybe it is a self-imposed restriction.

[Charvo]

I don't like posting political stuff, but here's some objective stuff that that just happened in the last couple of hours. Stock market dove. Halliburton stock went down. Tradesports Bush contracts went below the 50 mark. I think it's at 48 now. That's a significant drop in a matter of minutes.

Bush Ohio
Bush Florida
Bush popular vote

all got smoked.

[Another Brother]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
There are more white people voting today than ever before. I have never seen a push like this.



Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
I just voted. Door to door it took me 10 minutes max. No line. I spent probably 30 seconds inside the booth. Straight ticket Republican, voted on a couple referendums, checked to make sure Bush was highlighted, and hit the Cast Ballot button. Very simple.


Very simple indeed.

[bigtexxx]

Originally posted by Charvo
I don't like posting political stuff, but here's some objective stuff that that just happened in the last couple of hours. Stock market dove. Halliburton stock went down. Tradesports Bush contracts went below the 50 mark. I think it's at 48 now. That's a significant drop in a matter of minutes.

Bush Ohio
Bush Florida
Bush popular vote

all got smoked.

Corresponded with the early exit poll results that were released. The stock market crashing on the polling results troubles me about a possible Kerry presidency.

[Tyree]

Originally posted by Charvo
I don't like posting political stuff, but here's some objective stuff that that just happened in the last couple of hours. Stock market dove. Halliburton stock went down. Tradesports Bush contracts went below the 50 mark. I think it's at 48 now. That's a significant drop in a matter of minutes.

Bush Ohio
Bush Florida
Bush popular vote

all got smoked.


trade sports is below 40 now....=(

[Jeff]

Originally posted by bigtexxx
Corresponded with the early exit poll results that were released. The stock market crashing on the polling results troubles me about a possible Kerry presidency.

Everytime I watch the stock market dive and shoot up, I feel more and more like the whole system is closer to an office betting pool than a system of economics. :)

Early vote in interesting. Traditionally, it is dominated by the GOP because they tend to vote early and Dems, particularly minorities, often wait until election day. But, who knows with this election. At this point, I don't think anyone can claim anything based on numbers thrown out there.

[Chump]

Early turnout reports from CNN
by Jerome Armstrong

Here are some early reports on turnout:

Ohio - African American precincts are performing at 106% what we expected, based on historical numbers. Hispanic precincts are at 144% what we expected. Precincts that went for Gore are turning out 8% higher then those that went Bush in 2000. Democratic base precincts are performing 15% higher than GOP base precincts.


Florida - Dem base precincts are performing 14% better than Bush base precincts. In precincts that went for Gore, they are doing 6% better than those that went for Bush. African American precincts at 109%, Hispanic precincts at 106%.

Pennsylvania - African American precincts at 102% of expectations, Hispanics at 136% of expectations. The Gore precincts are doing 4 percent better than bush precincts.


Michigan- Democratic base precincts are 8% better than GOP base states. Gore precincts are 5% better than Bush.

http://www.mydd.com/

[basso]

Originally posted by Jeff
Everytime I watch the stock market dive and shoot up, I feel more and more like the whole system is closer to an office betting pool than a system of economics. :)

Early vote in interesting. Traditionally, it is dominated by the GOP because they tend to vote early and Dems, particularly minorities, often wait until election day. But, who knows with this election. At this point, I don't think anyone can claim anything based on numbers thrown out there.

the numbers are raw numbers. they are not weighted in any way and should be taken with a giant grain of salt, smeared around the rim of a frosted glass w/ a margherita in it.

[nyquil82]

just came back from voting in DC, it was very fast no problems. I voted for both democrats and republicans. for the community watch person, there was only one person running so I wrote, "Inspector Gadget" as a write in.

My classmates are having issues though. Several from Virginia did not get their absentee ballots as well as a couple from Florida. Obviously, they are very pissed.

[SamCassell]

Glad to see the good Inspector getting the votes he deserved. He'll make a fine community watch person, as long as that evil Dr. Klaw doesn't decide to move into the neighborhood.

[Chump]

i know all these exit polls mean nothing, so we'll see how these change over the course of the day

these are from Slate

http://slate.com/id/2109053/

Florida
Kerry 50
Bush 49

Ohio
Kerry 50
Bush 49

Pennsylvania
Kerry 54
Bush 45

Wisconsin
Kerry 51
Bush 46

Michigan
Kerry 51
Bush 47

Minnesota
Kerry 58
Bush 40

Nevada
Kerry 48
Bush 50

New Mexico
Kerry 50
Bush 48

North Carolina
Kerry 49
Bush 51

Colorado
Kerry 46
Bush 53

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by basso
margherita
frikken yankee

[Jeff]

Something very important to note...

No one will know the ACTUAL tallies for early vote until tonight. All the numbers we are seeing are exit polls taken today. We won't know the results of the early vote until tonight around 7pm. That is when those numbers are released to the media.

There are very strict rules in every state about when votes can be counted, tallied and numbers released.

[wouldabeen23]

Originally posted by basso
the numbers are raw numbers. they are not weighted in any way and should be taken with a giant grain of salt, smeared around the rim of a frosted glass w/ a margherita in it.

Frozen or on the rocks?

[basso]

email from a "GOP insider" reposted from the corner:

--
There are media reports that we are behind in early exit polls. Here’s my sense of things. The early exit poll numbers are hard to make sense of right now, until we dissect and analyze them, which is being done even now. It’s of course still early, and it depends on where in the state the numbers are coming from. Much more importantly, our data also suggests what Drudge is reporting: the early samples are heavily weighted toward women (58 percent), which would of course give an artificial advantage to Senator Kerry. That imbalance will not hold up. Indeed, among men we are winning 53-45. To put it another way: if we’d one down in states with a sample that is heavily female, we’re in good shape with the overall population. To put it a third way: it looks like the first exit polls are a reflection of the composition of the electorate, not how the president is performing. Once those return to norm, the President should gain several points (2-3 pts) and Senator Kerry should lose several points (2-3 pts), giving the President the lead in a number of states.

Also of note: right now we are ahead among Catholic in Wisconsin by ten points (we lost Catholics in Wisconsin in 2000). The same is true of Pennsylvania. And in the early exits nationally, we are getting 40 percent of the Hispanic vote (in 2000, we received 35 percent).

One other thing: the early exit polls in 2000 looked a good deal bleaker than what we are seeing today. For example, early exit polls in 2000 showed us down by four in Arizona; we won by six. Early exit polls in 2000 showed us even in Colorado; we won by nine. And early exit polls in 2000 showed us down by three in Florida; we ended up slightly more than even.

I’m not being Pollyannaish here; the race will be a close one. But I would simply caution against putting too much weigh on such early polls. This drama has a ways to go before it fully unfolds.

[basso]

Originally posted by Buck Turgidson
frikken yankee

born in houston, raised in SE MO, school in Memphis. how you figure?

[basso]

Originally posted by Jeff
Something very important to note...

No one will know the ACTUAL tallies for early vote until tonight. All the numbers we are seeing are exit polls taken today. We won't know the results of the early vote until tonight around 7pm. That is when those numbers are released to the media.

There are very strict rules in every state about when votes can be counted, tallied and numbers released.

not even sure these are actual exit polls.

[basso]

Originally posted by wouldabeen23
Frozen or on the rocks?

oh definitely on the rocks, w/ anjeo tequila.

[Master Baiter]

Originally posted by basso
born in houston, raised in SE MO, school in Memphis. how you figure?
Because you cant spell Margarita correctly.

[basso]

Originally posted by Master Baiter
Because you cant spell Margarita correctly.

yeah, well, that says more about my spelling than anything else...although i've definitely been among yankees too long!

[thadeus]

Just voted. It took me about 5-10 minutes. Very simple. Then I went to Kroger's to get my Freschetta sauce-stuffed crust pizza for tonight's game.

Err....both of tonight's games I mean.

[thadeus]

P.S.

VOTING KICKS ASS.

[wouldabeen23]

Originally posted by basso
oh definitely on the rocks, w/ anjeo tequila.

Hmm...you MUST be in NYC if you are dropping the Anjeo in your Rita's...hehehe..ELITIST!!

[wouldabeen23]

Originally posted by thadeus
Just voted. It took me about 5-10 minutes. Very simple. Then I went to Kroger's to get my Freschetta sauce-stuffed crust pizza for tonight's game.

Err....both of tonight's games I mean.

VERY descriptive Thadeus...are you STUMPING for Freschetta?? Are you AWARE of their lobbying record and the fact that they are outsourcing their crust making to INDIA??

:D

[bigtexxx]

Originally posted by wouldabeen23
Hmm...you MUST be in NYC if you are dropping the Anjeo in your Rita's...hehehe..ELITIST!!

It's spelled anejo! And that's the n with the tilde on top!

[Isabel]

Originally posted by basso
the numbers are raw numbers. they are not weighted in any way and should be taken with a giant grain of salt, smeared around the rim of a frosted glass w/ a margherita in it.

Good. We could all use one before this night is over.


(That's what we need - an election night drinking party. Imagine how much easier it would be to handle the tension... too bad I don't drink. :( )

[Trader_Jorge]

Originally posted by Master Baiter
Because you cant spell Margarita correctly.

He spelled it the Italian way. You probably didn't even know that.

[thadeus]

Originally posted by wouldabeen23
VERY descriptive Thadeus...are you STUMPING for Freschetta?? Are you AWARE of their lobbying record and the fact that they are outsourcing their crust making to INDIA??


You whacky college liberals and your "oh oh oh evil corporations!" garbage do not deter me a single iota from simply pointing out that Freschetta® Sauce-Stuffed Crust pizza is delicious and filling, and makes a perfect meal for enjoying a great Houston Rockets game or for appreciating the benefits of a well-run and lucrative capitalist representative democracy.

[RIET]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
He spelled it the Italian way. You probably didn't even know that.

And neither did he.

[basso]

just a reminder, if you've posted in this thread and you haven't hit the tip jar recently, you really shouldn't hit F5 again until you do.

[Master Baiter]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
He spelled it the Italian way. You probably didn't even know that.
Well smart ass, since it is a mexican drink, it should be spelled the mexican way. I know it is the italian spelling, after Queen Margherita, which is where Pizza Margherita received its name. Raffaele Esposito a famous pizza maker created the pizza with the colors of the Italian flag, red marinara, green basil, and white cheese for the Queen who liked it so much she made it a royal dish. You probably didnt even know that.

[basso]

Originally posted by RIET
And neither did he.

still waiting for your social conservative definition, amico mio...

[wouldabeen23]

Originally posted by bigtexxx
It's spelled anejo! And that's the n with the tilde on top!

We will ALL need some ta-kill-ya tonight regardless who wins! First 2 rounds on Basso and Bigtexxx!!

[RIET]

Originally posted by basso
still waiting for your social conservative definition, amico mio...

Still waiting for you to tell the truth. Liar.

[Master Baiter]

Let the games begin :rolleyes:

[wouldabeen23]

Originally posted by thadeus
You whacky college liberals and your "oh oh oh evil corporations!" garbage do not deter me a single iota from simply pointing out that Freschetta® Sauce-Stuffed Crust pizza is delicious and filling, and makes a perfect meal for enjoying a great Houston Rockets game or for appreciating the benefits of a well-run and lucrative capitalist representative democracy.

hehehe

[Trader_Jorge]

Originally posted by Master Baiter
Well smart ass, since it is a mexican drink, it should be spelled the mexican way. I know it is the italian spelling, after Queen Margherita, which is where Pizza Margherita received its name. Raffaele Esposito a famous pizza maker created the pizza with the colors of the Italian flag, red marinara, green basil, and white cheese for the Queen who liked it so much she made it a royal dish. You probably didnt even know that.

Google saves the day! Google makes everyone an expert on Italian history!


GOOD DAY

[Jeff]

Stop arguing about stupid **** and stay on topic.

Thank you! :D

Most of the consultants (on both sides) who have written things today have said the numbers look better for Kerry than they did for Gore at the same time of the day in 2000, but that really means nothing. The heavy voter turnout is wreaking havoc with things like exit polling numbers.

[Trader_Jorge]

Originally posted by Jeff

Most of the consultants (on both sides) who have written things today have said the numbers look better for Kerry than they did for Gore at the same time of the day in 2000, but that really means nothing. The heavy voter turnout is wreaking havoc with things like exit polling numbers.
I've heard the opposite. The other thing to remember is that small Kerry leads today are washed away by Bush's absentee ballot lead.

[Jeff]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
I've heard the opposite. The other thing to remember is that small Kerry leads today are washed away by Bush's absentee ballot lead.

Like I said, no way to predict at this point. Early voting and absintee should favor Bush. Election day numbers should favor Kerry. Where the thing ends up is anyone's guess. I just hope it is over before I go to bed so I don't have to think about it after tonight! :D

[Another Brother]

Originally posted by Master Baiter
Well smart ass, since it is a mexican drink, it should be spelled the mexican way. I know it is the italian spelling, after Queen Margherita, which is where Pizza Margherita received its name. Raffaele Esposito a famous pizza maker created the pizza with the colors of the Italian flag, red marinara, green basil, and white cheese for the Queen who liked it so much she made it a royal dish. You probably didnt even know that.

I damn near got drunk reading that!:D

[RIET]

Originally posted by Jeff
I just hope it is over before I go to bed so I don't have to think about it after tonight! :D

The eternal optimist. And Yao will average 20 rebounds this season.

[basso]

Originally posted by RIET
Still waiting for you to tell the truth. Liar.

sigh...i'm not sure what i did to suddenly become your bete noir, but this is one thing i surely won't miss...

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by basso
oh definitely on the rocks, w/ anjeo tequila.
See...definitely a yankee. Drink the anejo straight, like a man. Use the blanco for ritas.

Sorry, Jeff, for derailing the quite substantial RIET/basso debate.

[RIET]

Originally posted by Buck Turgidson
Sorry, Jeff, for derailing the quite substantial RIET/basso debate.

Be quiet. Just because you're still pissed about losing Johan Santana, don't take it out on me.

[basso]

**** it, not getting any work done, brit's on in ten, i'm opening a bottle of wine. i've chosen a nice 2000 valpolicella, roccolo grassi. not much good red wine in the red states...

[ima_drummer2k]

Originally posted by basso
**** it, not getting any work done, brit's on in ten, i'm opening a bottle of wine. i've chosen a nice 2000 valpolicella, roccolo grassi. not much good red wine in the red states...
I only drink my wine if it comes out of a box.

ONLY THE BEST

[Buck Turgidson]

Does that come in a box?

At least tell me it has a screwcap.

[Deckard]

I voted a couple of weeks ago on impulse, at my local grocery store, and really miss being in the crowds voting, talking to the poll workers (bless 'em!) about the turnout, and chatting with folks in line. I've always enjoyed it, regardless of the wait. My wife voted this morning, and said our polling place was handling 2 precincts, with her being lucky to be in the one with a short line. The other one had over a hundred waiting.

I usually don't vote a straight party ticket, and I didn't this time, giving a vote to my Republican neighbor, who's running for county sheriff. The rest went to Democratic candidates. Gotta poke a few holes in this big elephant sitting on the state of Texas. :p

I heard on the radio coming home that the estimated turnout for Ohio was 70%!! :eek: That's amazing, if true. I hope my guy wins, but regardless of the victor, the renewed interest in the political process is fantastic, and a real boon for the country. Let's hope it's a clear victory for the White House, so that battles in the courts don't ruin how Americans look at politics in this country, and it sinks back into the morass of cynicism we've been stuck in for so long.

And if my guy wins tonight, I'm going to get plastered! :cool:



Keep D&D Civil!!
And party for your Party! :D

[Lil Pun]

What exactly does turnout mean? Does that mean a certain percentage of the population is voting or a certain percentage of registered voters are voting? Why is 70% considered good? What is the normal or usual percentage of people that turnout to vote?

[ZRB]

Well I managed to get a few friends to vote for Kerry today. These are people who probably wouldn't have voted if I hadn't made them. That sort of makes up for not being able to vote.


Kerry is winning.

[Trader_Jorge]

How are people going to feel IF Kerry wins and the terrorists start celebrating?

I think the prospect of watching the Kerrorists celebrate may be equally sickening.

[Charvo]

For anyone who wants to see where the money is flowing in terms of worldwide betting on the winner of the U.S. election. You can go here.

http://www.betfair.com/

The odds are currently in Kerry's favor with the odds of G.W. winning around 3.9 to 1 meaning you can bet $1, and you'd win $3.95 if you G.W. wins. The Kerry odds are around 1.35 to 1.

I think the numbers become more relevant as the night rolls on.

[SamCassell]

Originally posted by Lil Pun
Why is 70% considered good? What is the normal or usual percentage of people that turnout to vote?

Normal percentage is around 50%. So 70% is phenomenal.

[Jeff]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
How are people going to feel IF Kerry wins and the terrorists start celebrating?

I think the prospect of watching the Kerrorists celebrate may be equally sickening.

That's dumb even for you.

Originally posted by LilPun
What exactly does turnout mean? Does that mean a certain percentage of the population is voting or a certain percentage of registered voters are voting? Why is 70% considered good? What is the normal or usual percentage of people that turnout to vote?

Usually, that refers to "eligible voters" - people who are of legal age, legal citizen status and have no felony convictions that would prevent them from acquiring voter registration.

[Trader_Jorge]

Originally posted by Jeff
That's dumb even for you.

Other than because it makes you angry (apparently) why do you feel that is "dumb"? Did you hear Osama's tape? He wants to punish the Red states. Put simply, he doesn't like Bush. Why should he? Bush wiped out the vast majority of al Queda's infrastructure and removed many of their hiding places. Do you think it is "dumb" that Osama does not like Bush?

If I were a terrorist, I'd much rather have a candidate in office who as made a career of being anti-war, anti-defense, and someone who plans on getting out of Iraq asap. It's that simple Jeff. That simple.

[Batman Jones]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
He wants to punish the Red states.

That's just not true. The New York Post and reactionary blogs are the only ones pushing this junk. It's been roundly discredited since the actual transcript was released.

Second, it's not at all "that simple." You only give one side of the argument. At least as many people believe Bin Laden wants Bush because (1) his recruitment's never been so high as it is with Bush in office, and (2) whatever you think about Iraq's role in the war on terror, Bush has been more focused on Iraq than OBL.

Third, you'll notice people are really behaving respectfully around here today. Take a note.

[IROC it]

Originally posted by SamCassell
Normal percentage is around 50%. So 70% is phenomenal.

I thought it was usually 40%...

[Charvo]

G.W. is making a comeback in the betting futures.

[Trader_Jorge]

Originally posted by Batman Jones

Third, you'll notice people are really behaving respectfully around here today. Take a note.
Sorry Bats, but when someone calls me and my opinion dumb, I defend myself.

What you simply can't explain away is WHY Osama would put out a tape in the first place? Why would he openly claim to punish the Red States? -- This most certainly has not been debunked despite your attempts at pushing this story. I heard the tape. It's obvious. If Osama is on the run, most of his friends are killed, and he has no where else to hide but the mountains of Pakistan, do you honestly think he likes Bush? Of course not. I strongly believe that the terrorists view Kerry for what he is -- an anti-war, anti-defense liberal who is soft, soft, soft. Bush will kill a terrorist. Kerry will sanction him. You tell me which one they'll pick.

Finally, I have been very civil today. Others have not. You know who you are.

[Batman Jones]

Jorge, Jeff called your post dumb after you talked about the celebrating Kerrorists. It was dumb. We're not doing that stuff today. There's a sticky warning against that kind of stuff, but you apparently can't help yourself. And then, after you start it up, you play the victim. Nobody's buying it.

The red states thing has been debunked. Nobody but the 'lunatic fringe' is still pushing it. Have a good election night. I'm not getting into it with you.

[IROC it]

My response to all the bickering...

http://users4.ev1.net/~yarrum/no_whiners.JPG

As usual.*






*Actually, I'm resisting the urge to bicker.

[Lil Pun]

Just saw that Bush is leading the popular vote by more than 20,000 on Yahoo!

[Sir Jackie Chiles]

I predict again that Bush will win.

[IROC it]

Bush wins Georgia, Kentucky and Indiana...
Kerry wins Vermont...

Electoral Tally
34- Bush
3-Kerry

[DaDakota]

Iroc it beat me to it.

Here is the link (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/index.html)

DD

[halfbreed]

Anyone pay attention to the Florida situation? Their absentee ballots (which according to registration should turn out 65,000 votes for Bush and about 30,000 votes for Kerry) aren't going to be counted until Thursday. Why can't this state get its act together? It's like the middle child of the family who always has to try and steal the spotlight

[TL]

I don't understand why they release any of this information. There should be no reporting on results in any state until the west coast polls are closed.

[Sir Jackie Chiles]

Originally posted by TL
I don't understand why they release any of this information. There should be no reporting on results in any state until the west coast polls are closed.

That's what I would have thought, too...am actually surprised about this.

[DaDakota]

No way, release the data. It should not effect anyone's vote.

I love the data coming out and was watching my watch until 6pm hit.

GO ELECTION !!

DD

[Nick]

Does anybody else think that the sports networks would do a much better job of covering this?

This is essentially "sports" after all, in the name of competition.

I don't think these news guys are too good w/ their stats...

[TL]

Originally posted by DaDakota
No way, release the data. It should not effect anyone's vote.


Yeah, and voters should be able to line up ballot cards properly to see who they are voting for and to punch out chads. Apparently, though some of our voters do stupid stuff.

[halfbreed]

Originally posted by Nick
Does anybody else think that the sports networks would do a much better job of covering this?

This is essentially "sports" after all, in the name of competition.

I don't think these news guys are too good w/ their stats...

I can imagine Stuart Scott...ESPN calls Kentucky for Bush...boooyah!

[Charvo]

Betfair G.W futures are at new lows. Legal insider trading at its best.

[basso]

fox says bush running about where he did in ohio in 2000. then he got 49.99%. nader got over 2%. wonder where ther nader voters go. are they really democrats, or are they pissed about ballot access?

[4chuckie]

More news from Ohio:

A judge just said voters in Franklin and Knox county must be expedited.

Here is the problem. Polls closed at 7:30 yet there are lines estimated at 4+ hours remaining (anyone in line can stay in line and vote).

The judge said those in line can be given provisional or absentee ballots to expedite teh process.

[Sishir Chang]

Is anybody else nervous?

I'm almost as tense now as I was in Game 7 of the NLCS.

[Faos]

I think we should just go with the results from Indiana, Georgia and Kentucky and call it a day. :)

[codell]

been looking around for the quickest map/update and found a good one:

http://www.worldmag.com/

They have Bush already 100,000 votes ahead in Florida :confused:

[Trader_Jorge]

Florida:

16% of precincts reporting

Bush: 671,074 55%
Kerry: 538,046 44%

What am I missing here, looks like Bush is doing great.

[TL]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
Florida:

16% of precincts reporting

Bush: 671,074 55%
Kerry: 538,046 44%

What am I missing here, looks like Bush is doing great.

You know better than that. It all depends on which precincts are reporting.

[whag00]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
Florida:

16% of precincts reporting

Bush: 671,074 55%
Kerry: 538,046 44%

What am I missing here, looks like Bush is doing great.


Miami has not reported yet.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/FL/P/00/index.html

[Trader_Jorge]

Originally posted by whag00
Miami has not reported yet.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/FL/P/00/index.html

Lots of Cubans in Miami. Most Cubans are staunch Republicans.

[nyquil82]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
Florida:

16% of precincts reporting

Bush: 671,074 55%
Kerry: 538,046 44%

What am I missing here, looks like Bush is doing great.

not to pile more poop on top, but smaller counties get their votes in first, followed by the larger ones. 16% is way too early

[mc mark]

What a day! What a Day!!!

Drove 18 seniors to the polls today! Got free lunch, free beer and an invitation to meet a nice old lady’s granddaughter! J Guess she didn’t see the ring!

So cool! People in PA are excited and just dam determined! Haven’t read the thread yet but I understand Kerry is running very strong right now.

Gotta open a beer and catch up!

What a night it’s going to be! Hopefully, the insanity of the last four years will soon be over!

And home just in time for the game! GOOOO ROCKETS!!!!!!

[montevideo]

Originally posted by nyquil82
not to pile more poop on top, but smaller counties get their votes in first, followed by the larger ones. 16% is way too early

It does look good though - because the panhandle area which is in central time zone - usually goes strong rep. and closes one hour later that the rest of the state because of the time dif.

I think Bush is gonna take Florida this time.

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by mc mark
What a day! What a Day!!!

Drove 18 seniors to the polls today! Got free lunch, free beer and an invitation to meet a nice old lady’s granddaughter! J Guess she didn’t see the ring!

So cool! People in PA are excited and just dam determined! Haven’t read the thread yet but I understand Kerry is running very strong right now.

Gotta open a beer and catch up!

What a night it’s going to be! Hopefully, the insanity of the last four years will soon be over!

And home just in time for the game! GOOOO ROCKETS!!!!!!

That sounds awesome. My friend was out in Loch Haven all day doing the same.

I remain guardedly optimistic for a JFK double play. Things are looking much better than expected, if, and it's a huge if, the exit polling is accurate in any way.

Interestig watching this thing from abroad for the first time ever. Guess who these folks are pulling for?

[SamCassell]

Agreed, Florida looks like a Republican win. A significant portion of the state's returns are in.

[Sir Jackie Chiles]

Originally posted by SamFisher
Interestig watching this thing from abroad for the first time ever. Guess who these folks are pulling for?

Where are you?

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by Sir Jackie Chiles
Where are you?

Close enough to have voted this morning at 6.

[basso]

worth mentioning. here it is 8:30 PM EST, more than three years since 9/11, and no terrorist attacks in the U.S. thank whoever you like, W, Ridge, the military, or the guys maning security at la guardia. by any measure this is a major accomplishment and one we should all be proud of.

[Sir Jackie Chiles]

Originally posted by basso
worth mentioning. here it is 8:30 PM EST, more than three years since 9/11, and no terrorist attacks in the U.S.

Whom shall we thank for the terrorist attacks outside the US?

[Lil Pun]

What's your point basso? It's not like we just experienced terrorist attacks all the time before 9/11.

[basso]

Originally posted by Lil Pun
What's your point basso? It's not like we just experienced terrorist attacks all the time before 9/11.

uhm, WTC, pentagon, shanksville- mean nothing to you? it was simply meant as an acknowledgement that we've survived, and against some long odds. is you can't even grant that much, then i won't last til tomorrow...

[Faos]

Originally posted by codell
been looking around for the quickest map/update and found a good one:

http://www.worldmag.com/

They have Bush already 100,000 votes ahead in Florida :confused:


I think this may be a little quicker:


http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/Elections2004/president.html

[Faos]

Originally posted by Lil Pun
What's your point basso? It's not like we just experienced terrorist attacks all the time before 9/11.

Do you remember what happened in Spain before the elections there?

I think that was his point.

[LongTimeFan]

Originally posted by Faos
Do you remember what happened in Spain before the elections there?

I think that was his point.

My deciding factor:

Are you scared to go on a plane anymore? Do you give it a second thought. I can confidently say I feel safe.

[Faos]

Originally posted by LongTimeFan
My deciding factor:

Are you scared to go on a plane anymore? Do you give it a second thought. I can confidently say I feel safe.

I feel safe on planes and travel often.

But what's to keep suicide bombers doing their thing in a busy area, school or whatever?
I really thought we would have seen more happen since 9/11 but am thankful we haven't.

[mc mark]

Originally posted by SamFisher
That sounds awesome. My friend was out in Loch Haven all day doing the same.

I remain guardedly optimistic for a JFK double play. Things are looking much better than expected, if, and it's a huge if, the exit polling is accurate in any way.


Agreed!

I was in Scranton.

c-span's site is very cool to follow.

http://network.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/election_night_2004/us_map_govsenhouse/index.html?SITE=CSPANELN&SECTION=POLITICS

[Faos]

Originally posted by mc mark
Agreed!



http://network.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/election_night_2004/us_map_govsenhouse/index.html?SITE=CSPANELN&SECTION=POLITICS

This one is still getting the numbers quicker from what I can tell:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/Elections2004/president.html

[mc mark]

Originally posted by Faos
This one is still getting the numbers quicker from what I can tell:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/Elections2004/president.html

Quicker doesn't necessarily mean better! Remember 2000? ;)

[Faos]

Originally posted by mc mark
Quicker doesn't necessarily mean better! Remember 2000? ;)


Yeah, but this one shows ACTUAL votes so that should count for something, right?

[ZRB]

Well, I guess I was wrong.


Time to prepare for Australia.

[basso]

fox has "sort of" called PA for kerry. not updated on their ticker, but brent just mentioned it.

[basso]

Originally posted by basso
fox has "sort of" called PA for kerry. not updated on their ticker, but brent just mentioned it.

now he's taking it back...still looks good for kerry.

[subtomic]

Just heard that Florida has a backlog of 90,000 absentee votes, and the Secretary of State has said that these won't get counted until Thursday.

Meanwhile, Iowa has 450,000 absentee votes to be counted, but they feel they can get it done tonight.

I don't know what's realistic when it comes to tabulating votes, but I do know someone is full of ****.

[basso]

cnn calls arkansas for bush

[Smokey]

Did Obama's wife just introduce him as "my baby's daddy"? :D

[basso]

did ms. obama just intro barak as "my baby daddy?" :eek:

[Sir Jackie Chiles]

Yep, she did!

[DaDakota]

California has 55 EC votes, should tigthen this race up significantly, though it is looking like a Bush runaway right now.

Bush has Florida 85% precincts reporting and Bush with a comfortable 200,000 vote lead, and that includes Dade county where 84% of the votes have been counted.

DD

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by DaDakota
California has 55 EC votes, should tigthen this race up significantly, though it is looking like a Bush runaway right now.

DD

post of the century.

the only thing that matters now is OH and FL and the litigation/votecounting/posturing.

Thanks electoral college!

[Trader_Jorge]

Originally posted by basso
did ms. obama just intro barak as "my baby daddy?" :eek:
That to me is very low class.

[basso]

bunning wins in KY. not sure this is a good thing.

[Sir Jackie Chiles]

She said "my baby's daddy".

[Faos]

Originally posted by ZRB
Well, I guess I was wrong.


Time to prepare for Australia.

Are you sure you want to do that? Australia is one of our strongest Bush backers.

[nyquil82]

NBC projects Kerry win in Penn., Bush nabs Arizona.

[francis 4 prez]

Originally posted by basso
bunning wins in KY. not sure this is a good thing.


is bunning the one they were talking about earlier who has been saying crazy things in the last few weeks.

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by Faos
Are you sure you want to do that? Australia is one of our strongest Bush backers.

YOU FORGOT POLAND! (www.youforgotpoland.com)

[Kam]

who has the best coverage?


Tim Russert and his dry erase board is the ****.

[basso]

fox definitively calls PA now for kerry.

burr in NC.

[fadeaway]

Does anyone else think that the electoral college is tremendously stupid? It reminds me of a line from Animal Farm: "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."

[basso]

Originally posted by francis 4 prez
is bunning the one they were talking about earlier who has been saying crazy things in the last few weeks.

yep- threw a no hitter once too i think.

[nyquil82]

In other news, 2001 #1 draft pick Kwame Brown has won city council in DC.
http://network.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/general/by_county/ballot_other/DC.html?SITE=CSPANELN&SECTION=POLITICS

Good luck, Kwame!!!

http://www.nba.com/wizards/0001images/kwame_one_010627.jpg

[KaiSeR SoZe]

So Florida will screw everything up again?

[basso]

Originally posted by KaiSeR SoZe
So Florida will screw everything up again?

bush will win by three points.

[Sir Jackie Chiles]

Bush has won...I think. He is winning Florida and Ohio, and that gets him to at least 270.

It's over.

[ima_drummer2k]

Just got home. What's up with Prop 1 and 2?

[mc mark]

Originally posted by basso
bush will win by three points.

I'm gonna have to agree.

But Kerry pulls in Ohio and Penn. :cool:

[Faos]

From Drudge:

WASHINGTON, Nov. 2 (UPI) -- White House sources are telling UPI that they believe George W. Bush will win Ohio and be re-elected president of the United States.

At 10:30 p.m., Bush was told by a senior adviser that Ohio would land in the GOP column and put him over the top with at least 274 electoral votes, the sources said.

"We're very upbeat," Bush said as he watched returns in the Yellow Room at the White House with family members -- including his father, former President George H.W. Bush. "I believe I will win."

Bush's comments shortly before 10 p.m. EST reflected rising Republican hopes that Bush will win Florida and remain in contention in Ohio. Winning both those states would almost certainly return him to office.

The comments were also timed to reach voters in states where the polls had not yet closed including Hawaii, Nevada and Oregon. CNN had Bush leading with 193 electoral votes to Sen. John Kerry's 112.

[Faos]

And the ACLU has filed the first lawsuit in Broward County.

Here we go...:rolleyes:

[basso]

florida si, but still too early iin ohio...

[Another Brother]

Originally posted by Sir Jackie Chiles
Bush has won...I think. He is winning Florida and Ohio, and that gets him to at least 270.

It's over.

Dewey won too, didn't he?

[DaDakota]

I think it is over, 4 more years of that cheshire cat grin.

But, at least he won in a more convincing manner this time.

You have to respect the rest of the country and what everyone voted.

If Bush wins, so be it.

U-S-A...U-S-A....getting ready for my 2006 World cup cheer.

:)

DD

[Another Brother]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
That to me is very low class.

Because you don't understand the culture. I think it is low class to criticize celebration that you don't relate to.

[nyquil82]

Originally posted by Sir Jackie Chiles
Bush has won...I think. He is winning Florida and Ohio, and that gets him to at least 270.

It's over.

i agree, looks like the last precincts to be counted in ohio are red ensuring a bush win. Florida is almost done counting with a clear Bush lead.

My projection:

Kerry 263
Bush 285

[IROC it]

FL and OH will be Bush's!

[IROC it]

I'd like to do an impersonation now.... guess who?





LIFE SUPPORT



:D

[Faos]

This might deserve another thread, but:

IF Bush holds on and wins, do you think he'll step up the war in Iraq, using more force and such?

I said months ago that I thought he was playing it safe over there, keeping the casulties down because of the election year.

[basso]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
That to me is very low class.

obama seems like a classy guy, and baby momma looks sharp, sharp, sharpity, sharp. low class would be the guy i overheard on the subway talking about his "baby momma other baby daddy..."

[Trader_Jorge]

Originally posted by Another Brother
Because you don't understand the culture. I think it is low class to criticize celebration that you don't relate to.
Why turn this personal? Please try to be civil.


So far so good tonight.


FOUR MORE YEARS

[SamFisher]

I was ready to call it for JFK based on exit polls but the vote counting doesn't match them or anything else; not sure what's up in Florida; can bush really multiply his victory margin by 100x with higher Afr. Am turnout?

I don't know; maybe the early voting will even it up; who knows, but something obviously happened there that threw people off.

Growing less optimistic. Oh well, since I'm out of the country maybe I won't come back, heh.

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by Trader_Jorge
Why turn this personal? Please try to be civil.


So far so good tonight.


FOUR MORE YEARS
Can we just discuss current events without acting like jerks for once tonight in this thread?

[giddyup]

Originally posted by SamFisher
Can we just discuss current events without acting like jerks for once tonight in this thread?
Such a delicate request!

[ima_drummer2k]

Maybe this deserves it's own thread, but it looks like Prop 1 AND Prop 2 are going to pass. What does that mean? :confused:

[KaiSeR SoZe]

Originally posted by ima_drummer2k
Maybe this deserves it's own thread, but it looks like Prop 1 AND Prop 2 are going to pass. What does that mean? :confused:

i don't know..something about water and caps

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by ima_drummer2k
Maybe this deserves it's own thread, but it looks like Prop 1 AND Prop 2 are going to pass. What does that mean? :confused:

I don't know, but if Prop 1 passes, don't press the red button whatever you do. If Prop 2 passes, don't press the blue button under any circumstances.

If they both pass, consult your tech manual for more help.