Did Kerry have a debate cheat sheet?

[basso]

Ok, this is via dridge, so many will simply dismiss it out of hand. but watch the video, and keep in mind that anything, a pen, not pad, cards, anything is against the agreed rules. so what is Kerry taking out of his pocket?

http://www.drudgereport.com/kdn.wmv

http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc57.htm

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DEBATE MYSTERY: DID KERRY HAVE CHEAT SHEET?

Section 5, pages 4-5 of the binding "Memorandum of Understanding" that was negotiated and agreed upon by both political campaigns states:

"No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate.... Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."

So what did Dem presidential contender John Kerry take out of his jacket as he approached the stage [with his back to the auditorium's audience]?

What did Kerry place on the podium?

Video replays of the Kerry maneuver played all weekend long on the internet.

[A tight zoom analysis of the Boston.Com feed shows Kerry pulling a mysterious item his jacket [14 seconds into video, after commerical]. Kerry appears to unfold some sort of paper seconds later, at his podium.]

A top Kerry campaign source explained to the DRUDGE REPORT late Sunday how Bush supporters were once again trying to distract.

"Kerry did not cheat," said the Kerry insider. "This is more lies from Republicans, who are hoping for a quick change of subject away from the president's performance, and the new polls."

When pressed on the fact that even brandishing a pen from his jacket would have violated debate rules, the Kerry staffer laughed, adding, "See you at the inauguration, Drudge".

[KingCheetah]

http://img10.exs.cx/img10/8143/mounted1.jpg

The basso always takes the bait...

[basso]

Originally posted by KingCheetah

The basso always takes the bait...

did you watch the video?

[giddyup]

Well, I'm sure that Dan Rather will press him on the issue....

[Rocket G]

Even if he had a freaking cheat sheet, is Bush so ****ing dumb that he couldn't have answered simple questions without stuttering and getting angry?

He's the goddamn President of the United States - quit making excuses for him. He is supposed to be the leader of the free world, of the most powerful nation in this planet's history.

Quit makiing excuses for him! It amazes me how out of a nation of 300 million people, we are faced with a choice between a zombie politico & a semi-retarded frat boy for president.

I don't like either of these idiots, but I'm amazed at how Republicans continue to support a guy who can't string three coherent sentences together without tripping over himself.

Bush is a verbal Gerald Ford. STFU & QUIT MAKING EXCUSES for his pathetic intellect.

[basso]

Originally posted by Rocket G
Even if he had a freaking cheat sheet, is Bush so ****ing dumb that he couldn't have answered simple questions without stuttering and getting angry?

Bush is a verbal Gerald Ford. STFU & QUIT MAKING EXCUSES for his pathetic intellect.

this isn't about bush, it's about kerry.

[No Worries]

Kerry cheated. I am over it all ready.

[basso]

Originally posted by No Worries
Kerry cheated. I am over it all ready.

no worries, no cry?

[rockbox]

Who cares? Cheat sheats doesn't change the fact that the Bush administration had a terrible plan going into Iraq.

[JayZ750]

Originally posted by basso
this isn't about bush, it's about kerry.

Didn't Bush take something out also? I saw them both move towards their jackets.

[Preston27]

Originally posted by JayZ750
Didn't Bush take something out also? I saw them both move towards their jackets.

It looked like Bush picked up the pen or pencil that was made available to the candidates on the podium.

Either way, nothing to make a big deal over.

[thumbs]

Originally posted by JayZ750
Didn't Bush take something out also? I saw them both move towards their jackets. Both forgot they had checked their handguns at the door.

[Troy McClure]

Kerry was just carrying his good luck charm. His autographed portrait of the Bea.


http://www.lucasfan.com/autographs/BEAARTHUR.JPG

[basso]

Originally posted by No Worries
Kerry cheated. I am over it all ready.

would you be so cavalier had bush cheated?

[basso]

top ten list of things kerry might have taken out of his jacket:

10. Good luck note from Dan Rather.
9. Original Killian memo--on WordPerfect!
8. Directions to Cambodian Christmas party.
7. John Edwards' billable hours on campaign trail.
6. Appointment slip for next Botox treatment.
5. French to English dictionary.
4. Lucky CIA hat!
3. Commitment papers for Theresa.
2. Leaves of Grass.
1. One way ticket to Boston!!!!

[basso]

here's a higher-rez version, in quicktime:

http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Movies/JFKCheat.mov

[Deckard]

Originally posted by Rocket G
Even if he had a freaking cheat sheet, is Bush so ****ing dumb that he couldn't have answered simple questions without stuttering and getting angry?

He's the goddamn President of the United States - quit making excuses for him. He is supposed to be the leader of the free world, of the most powerful nation in this planet's history.

Quit makiing excuses for him! It amazes me how out of a nation of 300 million people, we are faced with a choice between a zombie politico & a semi-retarded frat boy for president.

I don't like either of these idiots, but I'm amazed at how Republicans continue to support a guy who can't string three coherent sentences together without tripping over himself.

Bush is a verbal Gerald Ford. STFU & QUIT MAKING EXCUSES for his pathetic intellect.
Rocket G, this is not a comment on the gist of your post, but we're making a real effort to keep D&D civil and in business, which ain't easy considering the election, and everything else going on in this country and the world.

So do your part, and...


Keep D&D Civil!!


Thanks.

[Rocket G]

Originally posted by basso
this isn't about bush, it's about kerry.

No - it IS about Bush.

You refuse to talk about the guy's own shortcomings. If he is so worried about his own inability to answer a question re: foreign policy that he has to worry about a Kerry "cheat sheet," then he should't be anywhere NEAR that podium.

Christ, the guy got ass raped in the debate. He couldn't answer a ****ing question without mutilating the English language in his response. As the President of the U.S.A. he should be able to provide clear, confident, and above all - INTELLIGENT responses about his foreign policy and a WAR he has involved us in.

We could hand Kerry every ACTUAL "question-to-be-asked" a week before the debate & that should have ZERO bearing on President Bush's ability to articulate responses to any POTENTIAL debate questions.

Quit making excuses.

[Puedlfor]

This reeks of desperation.

[Rocket G]

Deckard, you're right - I apologize for the "STFU" comment in my response.

[KingCheetah]

Originally posted by Rocket G
Christ, the guy got ass raped in the debate.

This is just one of the worst posts i've ever read.

[xelloss12]

It's a pen.....

[Ender120]

Even if it was a "cheat sheet", it looked pretty damn small to me, even after he "unfolded" it.

Not much you can put on a piece of paper that small that would have any real effect on the debate.

Unless Kerry was going to have a hard time remembering to say "President Bush made the wrong decision going into Iraq."

Otherwise, it's not a big deal. As was said earlier, these complaints reek of desperation.

And it wouldn't have mattered if Bush had done the same. We all know he can't read, anyway.

[Faos]

Originally posted by Rocket G
Even if he had a freaking cheat sheet, is Bush so ****ing dumb that he couldn't have answered simple questions without stuttering and getting angry?



Why does stuttering = dumb?

Bush sucks as a speaker. That doesn't make him or anyone dumb.

[rockbox]

Originally posted by Faos
Why does stuttering = dumb?

Bush sucks as a speaker. That doesn't make him or anyone dumb.

I don't really know for a fact that Bush is dumb. However, I just know that he makes dumb decisions, and appears dumb every time he speaks.

[bigtexxx]

Kerry is a cheater. He's continuing from the same moral thread as our last democratic president. :rolleyes:

[Codman]

Can Republican's get any worse? Just because Bush was demolished in this debate does not mean Kerry cheated. C'mon now!!!



Cod

[Oski2005]

Looked like a handkerchief. I mean, somebody on Bush's campaign staff did call Kerry a "sweater."

[Deckard]

Originally posted by Oski2005
Looked like a handkerchief. I mean, somebody on Bush's campaign staff did call Kerry a "sweater."
Now, don't ruin things with logic... what's the matter with you??


;)


Keep D&D Civil!!

[MustangPride73]

Rocket G....thats just wrong.

I think you should be banned for that personally.

Now on the debate....I'm a BIG Bush fan...however..."a cheat shee" did not cost Bush the debate.

Bush comes out not looking as good because Kerry had nothing to lose. Everybody knows what W thinks on the issue of Iraq. Americans arent as sure what Kerry thinks. He was gonna come out with a little bounce as long as he stated a clear view.

He has however yet to unviel a real plan of action...Lots of talk from him but can he back it up.:confused:

[B-ball freak]

If Bush had a cheat sheet, I'm sure no one would have gone nukular over it.

[outlaw]

Originally posted by Rocket G
Christ, the guy got ass raped in the debate.

maybe Kerry pulled out and unwrapped a condom? :)

[wizkid83]

Originally posted by KingCheetah
This is just one of the worst posts i've ever read.

Sad thing is, from my experience, rape has almost become the term to use by highschool debaters in describing a win or a loss.

[giddyup]

Originally posted by Rocket G
No - it IS about Bush.
Actually, it's not. You need to walk your frenetic little fingers over to one of the many Bush-bashing threads that pop up here every day.

[GladiatoRowdy]

Originally posted by bigtexxx
Kerry is a cheater. He's continuing from the same moral thread as our last democratic president. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

I see we are continuing the GOP strategy of smear, disparage, repeat.

[FranchiseBlade]

If this doesn't reek of not being able to accept a loss I don't know what does.

Bush doesn't do well in a debate and Kerry does. Now the party of no-excuses is once again making excuses.

[giddyup]

Originally posted by FranchiseBlade
If this doesn't reek of not being able to accept a loss I don't know what does.

Bush doesn't do well in a debate and Kerry does. Now the party of no-excuses is once again making excuses.

I haven't ready anywhere that the mystery item had anything to do with Kerry's subjective "victory." The gist of the story stopped at the fact that he should not have had access to anything, but he apparently did.

Wouldn't it have been easy enough for the Kerry Campaign to explain what it was that was removed? They are only distracting the argument in a more direct fashion than the charge the Republicans with...

[GladiatoRowdy]

Originally posted by giddyup
I haven't ready anywhere that the mystery item had anything to do with Kerry's subjective "victory." The gist of the story stopped at the fact that he should not have had access to anything, but he apparently did.

Wouldn't it have been easy enough for the Kerry Campaign to explain what it was that was removed? They are only distracting the argument in a more direct fashion than the charge the Republicans with...

The only ones trying to distract from the issues are the GOP. The issue is that Kerry handled Bush easily in the debate and now the GOP needs a talking point to rally their troops and this appears to be their inane, silly distraction.

WATCH THE FREAKING BUNNY!!!

[Lil Pun]

Originally posted by wizkid83
Sad thing is, from my experience, rape has almost become the term to use by highschool debaters in describing a win or a loss.

Rape is becoming one of those words with harsh meaning but used in everyday lingo, like the n-word. I've heard people using it on the basketball court to describe a steal too.

Back to the point, is it illegal to have a cheat sheet? If so he shouldn't have done it, if not get over it.

[RocketMan Tex]

Sore Loserman

[FranchiseBlade]

Originally posted by giddyup
I haven't ready anywhere that the mystery item had anything to do with Kerry's subjective "victory." The gist of the story stopped at the fact that he should not have had access to anything, but he apparently did.

Wouldn't it have been easy enough for the Kerry Campaign to explain what it was that was removed? They are only distracting the argument in a more direct fashion than the charge the Republicans with... You say it was apparently a cheat sheet, someone else would say it's apparently a hanky. This is like NBA players who lost a game crying about the refs. This is such a meaningless distraction from the issues, and what was covered at the debate.

[Batman Jones]

This is pretty serious stuff. I think Kerry should probably drop out of the race. I know I, for one, can no longer support such a cheater cheater pumpkin eater.

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/31273.htm

DEM FLASHED 'WRITE' STUFF AT DEBATE
By GERSH KUNTZMAN


October 4, 2004 -- Was John Kerry trying to pull something at the debate last week?

That question was burning up the Internet yesterday after a slo-mo review of the footage showed the Massachusetts senator taking an object out of his right pocket before the first question.

Was it a cheat sheet — as some conservative bloggers claimed — or was it something innocuous?

Either way, it would violate the debate rules agreed to by both campaigns: "No props, notes . . . or other tangible things may be brought into the debate."

Many blogs offered links to the "Pocket-gate" footage. One, INDC Journal, even posted frame-by-frame stills purporting to show Kerry pulling out a notecard and placing it onto the podium.

But the mystery was solved when The Post reviewed a Fox News Channel feed from Thursday's debate: Kerry pulled out . . . a black pen.

Kerry campaign spokesman David Wade remained angry at the bloggers' guilt-by-insinuation.

"The right-wing attack machine will say anything to steal a debate do-over," he said.

"We plead guilty to having a pen."

The Bush campaign did not comment.

[FranchiseBlade]

Kerry had a pen, and Bush evidently had paper. What a team they would make. Well maybe both broke the rules then, but only one those infractions could be called a cheat sheet. And it wasn't the pen being held by Kerry.;)

[basso]

the item kerry took out of his coat and unfolded was white. not sure how kerry unfolded a flat white object and it then morphed into a black pen. bush picked up a pen that was already on the table.

[FranchiseBlade]

Originally posted by basso
the item kerry took out of his coat and unfolded was white. not sure how kerry unfolded a flat white object and it then morphed into a black pen. bush picked up a pen that was already on the table.

Maybe you saw the video differently than I did. Maybe you have higher resolution or something on your monitor. I honestly didn't see Kerry unfold anything.

Did you look at the Bush one?

[basso]

Originally posted by FranchiseBlade
Maybe you saw the video differently than I did. Maybe you have higher resolution or something on your monitor. I honestly didn't see Kerry unfold anything.

Did you look at the Bush one?

it's the same video, and bush quite clearly picks a pen up off the podium.

[mc mark]

This is a very important issue!

It should be debated right up there with the million and a half jobs lost in America or our 500 billion deficit.

[basso]

look at this one, be sure to zoon full screen:

http://www.boston.com/news/special/politics/debate_video/sept29/1.html

[FranchiseBlade]

I have to have a plug-in that I can't download at work to see that last one.

[Batman Jones]

Originally posted by basso
look at this one, be sure to zoon full screen:

http://www.boston.com/news/special/politics/debate_video/sept29/1.html

I just watched it again. My favorite quote was, "They say change is good... I say change is great."

[basso]

Originally posted by FranchiseBlade
I have to have a plug-in that I can't download at work to see that last one.

it's just windows media player.

[GreenVegan76]

Kerry is a noted (dare I say, master) debater. Bush is a noted retard.

That's why Kerry looked so good -- when your opponent can't even speak in complete sentences or with any clarity -- you're going to fare well in a debate.

But keep swinging, basso. Unsubstantiated rumor is more appealing if evidence is so damning.

[FranchiseBlade]

Originally posted by basso
it's just windows media player.

I'm on a mac, and we aren't allowed to download any kinds of players. I do have quicktime already on the computer though.

[GreenVegan76]

But then again, all this cheat sheet horsesh!t is the ultimate compliment to Kerry -- he kicked Bush's ass so bad and with so many boots, Republicans figure he *must* have cheated.

[basso]

Originally posted by GreenVegan76
Kerry is a noted (dare I say, master) debater. Bush is a noted retard.

That's why Kerry looked so good -- when your opponent can't even speak in complete sentences or with any clarity -- you're going to fare well in a debate.

But keep swinging, basso. Unsubstantiated rumor is more appealing if evidence is so damning.

it's not a rumor. the video speaks for itself. i can't say what it is, but it's clear what it isn't (a pen). and kerry clearly takes something white out of his pocket and unfolds it, looks at it, then begins to write.

[GreenVegan76]

Originally posted by basso
it's not a rumor. the video speaks for itself. i can't say what it is, but it's clear what it isn't (a pen). and kerry clearly takes something white out of his pocket and unfolds it, looks at it, then begins to write.

If you can't say what it is, how can you say he had a cheat sheet?

That's like me saying, "Bush appeared disoriented. Is he drunk again?" Completely dishonest.

[KingCheetah]

Originally posted by basso


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/kchee/tarpit22copy.jpg

;)

[FranchiseBlade]

It wasn't a cheat sheet. Everyone knows that it's better to write the answers on your hand.

If this is what the GOP folks are talking about after the debate, then it's obvious their candidate did poorly. I think they would be better served to take this loss like men, and hope to do better in the next debate.

[Clutch]

I don't think this is a huge deal that made all the difference for Kerry, but find it just as humorous that the libs here are accusing conservatives of "LOOK AT THE BUNNY!" when they're refusing to acknowledge this.

LOL ... is this a real photo of Kerry? It's up on Drudge's site.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20041002/capt.sge.oqt20.021004074433.photo00.default-384x289.jpg

[Batman Jones]

Originally posted by Clutch
I don't think this is a huge deal that made all the difference for Kerry, but find it just as humorous that the libs here are accusing conservatives of "LOOK AT THE BUNNY!" when they're refusing to acknowledge this.

LOL ... is this a real photo of Kerry? It's up on Drudge's site.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20041002/capt.sge.oqt20.021004074433.photo00.default-384x289.jpg

I don't get it. That photo's just more 'look at the bunny.' "Our guy lost, but your guy looks dumb hiking a football... Who do YOU want throwing out the first pitch?" Drudge has lost it. Botox, tanning, Kerry's-a-dork gotcha photos (boy, what they wouldn't do for a tank shot)... Yesterday he even posted a story about how Kerry likes brussell sprouts. Like, you don't want to elect a guy that eats his vegetables, do you?! That's just un-American!

While you're here Clutch, not to distract from more important matters but what did you think of the debate?

[Willis25]

if you are not cheeting, you're not trying...and its only cheeting if you get caught
-- Jim Rome

Is either side actually listening to each other at this point, or are have we moved beyond civility ?

That being said, this is the dumbest, lamest, weakest excuse for discourse I have ever heard from the right... and SHAME on those of you from the left that can't just slap a "desparation" tag on this thread and move on. I saw Janet Jackson's brest at the Super Bowl (even Tivo'ed it to make sure) but the next day I doubted it really happened because the picture was on the Drudge Report.... we are not talking about a real media outlet.

[basso]

Originally posted by Batman Jones
boy, what they wouldn't do for a tank shot

who needs tanks?
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/berkeley.jpg

when you've got this?
http://www.emersons.net/mt/archives/sep-kerry.jpg

[Batman Jones]

Well apparently you guys need something, basso.

Swift boat vets, Botox, tanning, brussell sprouts and broccoli, manicure, French looking, wrong cheese on his Philly steak, tree looking, middle name's Forbes, wife's name is Ter-AY-sa, looks silly hiking a football, looks silly going through a NASA machine, attended a protest with Jane Fonda, pulled a pen, a paper or a handkerchief out at a debate (not to mention the faked pictures you just posted or the fakes of him and Fonda) and you're still tied!!! Now that's funny.

Your guys are either gonna have to dig up a tank shot or win on the issues. And if it wasn't plain before, the debate was proof you guys sink like a lead zeppelin when your campaign of ridicule is confined to issues. I'd recommend the tank shot.

[GreenVegan76]

Originally posted by basso
who needs tanks?
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/berkeley.jpg

when you've got this?
http://www.emersons.net/mt/archives/sep-kerry.jpg

LOL

That's pretty funny.

[Batman Jones]

Originally posted by GreenVegan76
LOL

That's pretty funny.

The original was damned funny. Painting the outfit pink and suggesting he's gay or something is just kind of stupid. Which one of these guys was a cheerleader?

[pgabriel]

This is soooooooooooo stupid.


Does anyone really think the guy would pull out a freakin cheat sheet on national freakin TV while in a freakin Debate covered by at least 10 freakin media outlets live.


Yes the libs are really avoiding the issue.:rolleyes:

[DonnyMost]

NY Post reports Kerry pulled out......... A PEN

(with the answers written on it)

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/31273.htm


In fairness, Bush pulled out a pen too.

Only his had a lady on it, and when you turned it upside down, her clothes came off. :cool:

[thumbs]

Who cares whether anybody pulled out a black pen, a white post card or an after-speech grocery list? Let's get real and keep our eye on the donut and not the hole.

Kerry won the debate but left himself open for some pretty devastating counterattacks. I just wish the American people could harness all the spinning from both sides -- then we wouldn't have an energy crisis to worry about.

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally posted by DonnyMost



In fairness, Bush pulled out a pen too.

Only his had a lady on it, and when you turned it upside down, her clothes came off. :cool:

Wrong.

It was a gold plated coke snorter. Junior just had to have a couple of snootfuls to get through the debate. After all, it was obvious he'd rather be watching "Baseball Tonight" than to be caught up in a debate with someone who can actually put whole sentences together all by himself.

[basso]

INDC, one of the sites that first ran the video, now offers this statement, citing fox news sources. i'm assuming fox has better video than we've seen, but i'm not sure you could reach this conclusion based on what we saw on the web.

http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001066.php

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BREAKING NEWS: FOX News: "99% Sure It's a Black Pen"

To employ a Ratherism: "I'd like to break that story." (though the objective assertion in my post is correct).

A FOX News representative has reviewed several versions of the debate tape and is almost positive that the object in question is a black pen.

"What he takes out of his pocket ... I'm almost 99% sure that it's a pen. It's a black, oblong object," a FOX News producer told INDC Journal.

Let's leave it at that. The debate rules were violated in letter, but not intent, and any charges of cheating against the Kerry campaign are undeserved and inaccurate. If the tape had clearly shown that John Kerry had removed a pen from his pocket, I would not have bothered to run the post, and any further speculation about the capabilities of "electronic pens" or oblong devices are strictly conspiratorial, partisan nonsense. I do honestly hope that this incident reinforces the importance of following the letter of the debate's Memorandum of Understanding, but I offer my sincere apologies to the Kerry Campaign for running the item and causing any undue negative speculation before obtaining adequate verification from FOX News.

UPDATE: I said "leave it at that." FOX News will probably run an item, so watch Special Report for the evidence that you seek ...

[FranchiseBlade]

Originally posted by basso


UPDATE: I said "leave it at that." FOX News will probably run an item, so watch Special Report for the evidence that you seek ...

Let's hope that special report comes out soon. This is such a very important issue. We can't let things that shape our citizens lives such as pieces of paper in a debate be left uin-investigated. Hopefully we can spend some tax payer money investigating this too.

[Rocket River]

Cheat Sheet?
H*ll I'm surprised if they both didn't have EVERY question
BEFORE the d*mn Bi-Partisan Press Conference Started

So many rules. . . and regs. . . in this Press Conference
How could either have been caught unaware?

Rocket RIver

[Faos]

Look what else Kerry pulled out of his...

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20041002/capt.sge.oqt20.021004074433.photo00.default-384x289.jpg

[Nolen]

Originally posted by basso
INDC, one of the sites that first ran the video, now offers this statement, citing fox news sources. i'm assuming fox has better video than we've seen, but i'm not sure you could reach this conclusion based on what we saw on the web.

http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001066.php

--
BREAKING NEWS: FOX News: "99% Sure It's a Black Pen"

To employ a Ratherism: "I'd like to break that story." (though the objective assertion in my post is correct).

A FOX News representative has reviewed several versions of the debate tape and is almost positive that the object in question is a black pen.

"What he takes out of his pocket ... I'm almost 99% sure that it's a pen. It's a black, oblong object," a FOX News producer told INDC Journal.

Let's leave it at that. The debate rules were violated in letter, but not intent, and any charges of cheating against the Kerry campaign are undeserved and inaccurate. If the tape had clearly shown that John Kerry had removed a pen from his pocket, I would not have bothered to run the post, and any further speculation about the capabilities of "electronic pens" or oblong devices are strictly conspiratorial, partisan nonsense. I do honestly hope that this incident reinforces the importance of following the letter of the debate's Memorandum of Understanding, but I offer my sincere apologies to the Kerry Campaign for running the item and causing any undue negative speculation before obtaining adequate verification from FOX News.

UPDATE: I said "leave it at that." FOX News will probably run an item, so watch Special Report for the evidence that you seek ...

Thanks for posting that basso, I appreciate it.

Dan Rather should have displayed as much professionalism by apologizing to the Bush campaign for his (and CBS's) massive *****up.

[kitkat]

My question is, where's W's apologies to American people, and indeed, his whole "Coalition of the Willing?"

At least Dan Rather's screw-up didn't get anyone killed.

[JayZ750]

Originally posted by Faos
Look what else Kerry pulled out of his...



Confirmation that you don't actually read the threads you post in?? :D

Check one page back.