John Kerry - Crusher of Dissent

[gwayneco]

From http://www.clubforgrowth.org/blog/archives/013644.php

August 05, 2004
DNC 'Lawyers Up' Against the Club for Growth
Here is a letter that the DNC lawyers sent to TV stations that are playing the Club for Growth’s “Weather Vane” ad.

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Posted by Andrew Roth at August 5, 2004 08:18 PM



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[mc mark]

The last line of the letter…

We appeal to your best editorial judgment and sense of decency and fairness and urge you not to carry the blatantly false commercial.

uh gwayneco please explain how a letter to a TV station asking (not demanding) to not run an ad that has blatant lies crushing dissent?

Thank you

[Mulder]

Watch the ad, read the letter. The ad lies. Period. The letter appeals to the station asking for journalistic integrity that they not air the ad because it contains these lies. It doesn't demand anything, there is no cease and desist order.

Don't believe me, read the letter. Watch the ad. Go to factcheck.org and see the truth.
Crushing of dissent. Hello? Enemy Combatants? Pledge signing to see the VP speak? Ringing any bells?

That ad and this thread title suck.

[Cohen]

'Crsuher of dissent' :D

That's too funny.

[Faos]

I'm going to start my letter writing campaign to theatres around the country urging them to stop running Farhenheit 9/11.

[Rockets R' Us]

Originally posted by Faos
I'm going to start my letter writing campaign to theatres around the country urging them to stop running Farhenheit 9/11. As I am going to get them to stop showing Troy. Come on theaters! You are not going to squeeze an extra $100 out of these movies. End them before the DVD comes out!

[mc mark]

gwayneco we're waiting...

[andymoon]

Originally posted by Faos
I'm going to start my letter writing campaign to theatres around the country urging them to stop running Farhenheit 9/11.

This is your right, just as it is Kerry's right to ask TV stations not to air an ad that is full of blatant lies.

[gwayneco]

Originally posted by mc mark
The last line of the letter…



uh gwayneco please explain how a letter to a TV station asking (not demanding) to not run an ad that has blatant lies crushing dissent?

Thank you

No. it's not crushing of dissent, though that's the way it would be played by the media if the situation were reversed and the RNC was sending the letter. I was really just amused by the whole thing.

On the other hand ....
http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_pdf.html

[Mulder]

If a PAC bought an ad on a TV station stating that Bush ate baby kittens, do you think the RNC would not threaten to sue?

Guys. Seriously, you can't be this dumb.

[gwayneco]

Originally posted by Mulder
If a PAC bought an ad on a TV station stating that Bush ate baby kittens, do you think the RNC would not threaten to sue?

Guys. Seriously, you can't be this dumb.

Hum, sounds like Michael Moore latest crockumentary.

[Mulder]

Originally posted by gwayneco
Hum, sounds like Michael Moore latest crockumentary.

If TV stations were paid by Michael Moore to air it, you'd have an argument.

[gwayneco]

So, let the DNC boys sue and let's see what happens in discovery.

[Mulder]

Originally posted by gwayneco
So, let the DNC boys sue and let's see what happens in discovery.

Then you'll scream frivolous lawsuit! Damn Trial Lawyers! I have a better idea, why doesn't the right actually try to debate on the issues instead of building strawmen?

OMG.... Is T_J really Ed Gellespie?!

[IROC it]

Originally posted by andymoon
This is your right, just as it is Kerry's right to ask TV stations not to air an ad that is full of blatant lies.

By this logic, and equation, you've just admitted for the world to see that F-9/11 is full of lies.

Congratulations.

[gwayneco]

Originally posted by Mulder
Then you'll scream frivolous lawsuit! Damn Trial Lawyers! I have a better idea, why doesn't the right actually try to debate on the issues instead of building strawmen?

OMG.... Is T_J really Ed Gellespie?!

Yes, because it would be a frivolous suit, but I would love to see the DNC ambulance chasers try it.

Here's the Swift Boaters response to those DNC legal thugs:
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002202.php

[Rocketman95]

None of this changes the fact that Bush is a coward who was too much of a wuss to go to Vietnam. Nor does it change the fact that the only crushers of dissent are Lord Cheney and his cronies who require loyalty pledges from those who want to attend their campaign stops.

[ROXTXIA]

Good Lord. George W Bush is the King of dissent-crushing. As one journalist recently put it, "This has been the most cowed White House correspondents' group (press group?) in history."

[BrianKagy]

[None of this changes the fact that Bush is a coward who was too much of a wuss to go to Vietnam.

Do you have some military combat service you'd like to share with us...?

I think you're throwing the word 'coward' around a bit too freely.

[Rocketman95]

Originally posted by BrianKagy
Do you have some military combat service you'd like to share with us...?

I think you're throwing the word 'coward' around a bit too freely.

Of course I am. Just like some are throwing around the words 'turncoat' and 'treason' a little bit too freely on the other side.

[BrianKagy]

Just like some are throwing around the words 'turncoat' and 'treason' a little bit too freely on the other side.

Very true. Do you think it helps to stoop to their level?

Look, you guys had to put up with eight years of insane Clinton conspiracy theories about Vince Foster, Travelgate, etc etc. I would have thought that would make you less likely to want to engage in similar stupidity.

Obviously I don't agree with the assessment of Bush's presidency that most Democrats put forward (I have my own problems with it), but I certainly am aware that there are plenty of legitimate criticisms that can be made. I don't think it helps to advance that cause or convince anyone that it's worth listening to when the legitimate criticism is sprinkled with loaded phraseology like "he's a coward" or "I hate him".

It's similar to the way the modern civil rights movement gets marginalized when Sheila Jackson Lee tells a newspaper that the naming conventions for hurricanes are too "lily white". There are plenty of serious issues that minority communities face; drawing attention to absurdities such as that just draws attention away from the worthy issues and it gives political opponents an easy excuse to dismiss civil rights advocacy as a scattershot amalgamation of race-baiting loonies and grift-and-grab patronage.

Americans who vote Democratic have plenty of things on which they can legitimately oppose Bush without delving into shrill talk-radio fare. It does nothing to advance the Democratic agenda or increase its chances of being taken seriously by conservative-leaning independents to adopt the very tactics that were considered so offensive during the Clinton years.

[Rocketman95]

Well, I don't think calling him a coward is exactly the same as accusing the Clintons of murder, rape, etc. Nor is it nearly as bad as calling a Vietnam veteran a turncoat or accusing him of treason. However, your point is well-taken. I shouldn't stoop to the idiotic and offensive level that some relish here.

[gifford1967]

Originally posted by BrianKagy
Very true. Do you think it helps to stoop to their level?.....



Very sensible advice.

[gwayneco]

Originally posted by ROXTXIA
Good Lord. George W Bush is the King of dissent-crushing. As one journalist recently put it, "This has been the most cowed White House correspondents' group (press group?) in history."

Yeah, so sad to see Ben Afleck, Robert Byrd, Teddy Kennedy, Maureen Dowd, Michael Moore, Dave Mathews, Linda Ronstadt, Elton John, and Al Franken all rotting away in jail as political prisoners.

[Rocketman95]

Originally posted by gwayneco
Yeah, so sad to see Ben Afleck, Robert Byrd, Teddy Kennedy, Maureen Dowd, Michael Moore, Dave Mathews, Linda Ronstadt, Elton John, and Al Franken all rotting away in jail as political prisoners.

And those who run Club for Growth are?

[gwayneco]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
And those who run Club for Growth are?

Nope, but the title of the thread was meant to mock the left. I don't think any President is capable of crushing dissent in this day and age, though you "Bush is Hitler" folks have those delusions.