Vote For Change Tour

[Chump]

"The Vote for Change Tour (October 1-10) includes Bruce Springsteen and the E-Street Band, Bonnie Raitt, Dave Matthews Band, Dixie Chicks, Jackson Brown, John Mellencamp, Ben Harper, Kenny “Babyface” Edmonds, Pearl Jam, R.E.M and others."

“A vote for change is a vote for a stronger, safer, healthier America. A vote for Bush is a vote for a divided, unstable, paranoid America. It is our duty to this beautiful land to let our voices be heard. That’s the reason for the tour. That’s why I’m doing it.”
Dave Matthews


http://actforvictory.org/vote_for_change/index.php

Artists Statement

VOTE FOR CHANGE is a loose coalition of musicians brought together by a single idea—the need to make a change in the direction of our country. We share a belief that this is the most important election of our lifetime. We are fighting for a government that is open, rational, just and progressive. And we intend to be heard.

We plan to do something never done before—to concentrate our energies in the states where the election is expected to be closest. We hope this commitment of time and effort by so many artists and our willingness to take our energy to so many parts of the country will help inspire our fellow citizens to take a hard look at what is at stake in this election, at the federal, state, and local level, and to get involved in trying to move our country in a truly compassionate and humane direction.

We have chosen to do these concerts with two organizations that we think are doing excellent work in motivating our fellow citizens to get involved in progressive politics. MoveOn PAC and its sister organization MoveOn.org have been on the cutting edge of raising issues of war and peace, social justice, media integrity, and honesty in government. MoveOn PAC will be the official presenter of this tour.

America Coming Together (ACT) has been doing tremendous work in registering and mobilizing voters to support progressive candidates at all levels of government. We are happy to announce that the financial proceeds of the tour will go to help them with their continuing efforts.

Most importantly, we wish to communicate our concerns to our fellow citizens and join with them in the effort to change the direction of our government towards one that will make our country as great as it can be.


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ROAD TRIP!

[BrianKagy]

Couldn't they get any artists that aren't washed up?

[MadMax]

Got this in an email this morning:

Dave Matthews Band is pleased to announce the Vote for Change concert tour.
Vote for Change is a loose coalition of musicians brought together by a single idea -
the need to make a change in the direction of our country. We share a belief that this is
the most important election of our lifetime. We are fighting for a government that is open,
rational, just and progressive.

Dave Matthews Band is scheduled to perform at several Vote for Change concerts in
October. The Vote for Change tour will be presented by MoveOn PAC, with all concert
proceeds benefiting the work of America Coming Together (ACT). More than 20 artists, including
Bruce Springsteen, REM, Pearl Jam, Bonnie Raitt, the Dixie Chicks and John Mellencamp will
perform on the Vote for Change tour. Vote for Change artists hope to accomplish a single
goal through the tour: to get people to the polls on November 2nd to vote for a change.

Joining Dave Matthews Band on the following dates will be Ben Harper and the Innocent Criminals,
Jurassic 5 and My Morning Jacket. My Morning Jacket will not perform at the October 8 concert
in Gainesville, FL.

Fri / Oct 01 / Bryce Jordan Center / University Park, PA
Sat / Oct 02 / Ervin J. Nutter Center / Dayton, OH
Sun / Oct 03 / Palace of Auburn Hills / Detroit, MI
Tue / Oct 05 / TBA
Wed / Oct 06 / Hilton Coliseum / Ames, IA
Fri / Oct 08 / Stephen C. O'Connell Center / Gainesville, FL

A limited number of tickets are being offered through www.warehouse.davematthewsband.com,
DMB's official fan association. Requests will be taken now through Thursday, August 12, 2004
at 11:59 PM Eastern Time and confirmations will be issued on or before Thursday,
August 19, 2004. All payments for the tickets to these events are treated as contributions
to America Coming Together (ACT) and therefore subject to Federal Election Commission rules
applicable to ACT.

Tickets will go on sale through public outlets on Saturday, August 21, 2004.

To learn more about the work of MoveOn PAC, please visit www.moveonpac.org.

For more information on America Coming Together, please visit www.act04.com.

[Rocketman95]

I'm gonna have to make a road trip...

[giddyup]

If I buy a ticket, will I be allowed to boo through the whole concert? Make that BOO.

[Rocketman95]

Originally posted by giddyup
If I buy a ticket, will I be allowed to boo through the whole concert? Make that BOO.

You should be happy that you can even buy a ticket. If this was a conservative thing, you'd have to sign a loyalty oath. We don't do that.

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally posted by BrianKagy
Couldn't they get any artists that aren't washed up?

Dave Matthews is washed up?

"The Rising", Bruce Springsteen's latest CD, spent a total of 91 weeks on the Billboard charts.

Washed up, indeed.

I guess you would just prefer the Republican version of the tour....the one with Lee Greenwood opening for Kid Rock.:D

[Rocketman95]

Originally posted by RocketMan Tex
Dave Matthews is washed up?

"The Rising", Bruce Springsteen's latest CD, spent a total of 91 weeks on the Billboard charts.

Washed up, indeed.

I guess you would just prefer the Republican version of the tour....the one with Lee Greenwood opening for Kid Rock.:D

If he was still alive, SRV would be on this tour too.

[giddyup]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
You should be happy that you can even buy a ticket. If this was a conservative thing, you'd have to sign a loyalty oath. We don't do that.
It was a pledge not an oath.

[DonnyMost]

watch Toby Keith and Hank Williams Jr. launch the "Vote for Bush or I'll stomp a mud hole in your terrorist ass" tour.

[Rocketman95]

Originally posted by giddyup
It was a pledge not an oath.

:rolleyes:

That makes it all the better. As long as we know the race of all of those signing, it doesn't matter if it was an oath or pledge.

[giddyup]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
:rolleyes:

That makes it all the better. As long as we know the race of all of those signing, it doesn't matter if it was an oath or pledge.
There is a difference. You take an oath in a court of law; you pledge money to your alma matre.

I thought just one guy was asked his race? The others were asked to guarantee their good behavior. Money was returned when they chose not to oblige.

[andymoon]

Originally posted by BrianKagy
Couldn't they get any artists that aren't washed up?

Since when is Dave Matthews washed up?

[Rocketman95]

Originally posted by giddyup
There is a difference. You take an oath in a court of law; you pledge money to your alma matre.

I thought just one guy was asked his race? The others were asked to guarantee their good behavior. Money was returned when they chose not to oblige.

The fact that you're defedning it says all I need to know. Thanks.

[giddyup]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
The fact that you're defedning it says all I need to know. Thanks.
You're welcome (I'm not even sure what I did).... :D

Did I shame America, again?

[rimrocker]

From Merriam-Webster...

oath
n. pl. oaths (thz, ths)

1 : a solemn attestation of the truth of one's words or the sincerity of one's intentions; specifically : one accompanied by calling upon a deity as a witness
2 : a promise (as to perform official duties faithfully) corroborated by an oath —compare PERJURY—under oath : under a solemn and esp. legal obligation to tell the truth (as when testifying)

pledge

\Pledge\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Pledged; p. pr. & vb. n. Pledging.] [Cf. OF. pleiger to give security. See Pledge, n.] 1. To deposit, as a chattel, in pledge or pawn; to leave in possession of another as security; as, to pledge one's watch.

2. To give or pass as a security; to guarantee; to engage; to plight; as, to pledge one's word and honor.

We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor. --The Declaration of Independence.

3. To secure performance of, as by a pledge. [Obs.]

To pledge my vow, I give my hand. --Shak.

4. To bind or engage by promise or declaration; to engage solemnly; as, to pledge one's self.

5. To invite another to drink, by drinking of the cup first, and then handing it to him, as a pledge of good will; hence, to drink the health of; to toast.

Pledge me, my friend, and drink till thou be'st wise. --Cowley.

[giddyup]

Originally posted by rimrocker
From Merriam-Webster...
Mine came from Dictionary.com. See below:

Pledge: A solemn binding promise to do, give, or refrain from doing something

Oath: A solemn, formal declaration or promise to fulfill a pledge, often calling on God, a god, or a sacred object as witness

Are you disagreeing with my distinction?

Clinton broke an oath when he lied to the Grand Jury. I broke a pledge when I didn't send in my $50 to my alma matre. Which of us is worse? Don't answer that....

[Harrisment]

Originally posted by BrianKagy
Couldn't they get any artists that aren't washed up?

Dave is washed up?? :confused:

I'm not even a big fan of their music, but I know they are certainly not washed up!

[ima_drummer2k]

Sounds like a good ol' fun time. Nothing I enjoy more than going to a concert and getting preached to by a bunch of idealistic millionaires.

There are "sensitive young artists"
with high ideals
Who recognize the danger
and stuff their ears with fame

- Ten Hands

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally posted by giddyup
It was a pledge not an oath.

And fascism is fascism.

Next.

[giddyup]

Originally posted by RocketMan Tex
And fascism is fascism. Next.
I'll be looking for the smoke-filled skies.... :D

[ron413]

...here is someone that is keeping it real. Finally, a worried liberal that will admit they are very concerned about their candidate.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

An Open Letter to John Kerry from a Worried Democrat
By Michael Silverstein
May 5, 2004


Dear Senator Kerry:
Like so many Americans who understand the necessity of defeating George W. Bush this November, I've been profoundly disappointed by your failure to capitalize on his many policy blunders. You seem unable to present your views in ways that touch people and change minds.

Given President Bush's obvious vulnerabilities on Iraq, jobs, tax policies, the environment, drug costs, energy, women's rights, et al., the coming election is more and more becoming yours to lose. And lose you will (and we will) unless you correct present shortcomings. Here's a few suggestions, respectively offered, that might help improve your campaign.

1. Present your basic themes in the fewest words possible. Drop the caveats and nuances until after the election.

2. Treat criticisms as opportunities to showcase your strengths‹to better define your character. If challenged about your Vietnam protests, for example, note that any excesses here illustrate your passion for the things you believe in‹a passion you feel today about a strong national defense and the needs of working Americans. Youthful excess thus showcases a passion to serve. Retort trumps slight.

3. Don't defend, attack. Attack any challenges to your record as half-truths and outright lies. If called to explain have one‹and only one‹sound bite example ready that shows the truth twisting of a Bush commercial.

4. Pepper your speeches with attacks on unpopular members of the Bush Administration (Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, etc.), and with references to unpopular corporate targets (drug companies, overpaid CEOs at companies with many laid off workers). There's a lot of unpopular figures tied to this personally popular President. Exploit that fact. Hone in on the weak underbelly of this Administration

5. Be prepped to exhibit, in campaign appearances, passion, anger, disgust, and disdain.

Passion about your core beliefs. Anger about Americans who have no jobs or low paid jobs, and those who can't afford health insurance. Disgust at the smear campaign being used against you by over-funded Kerry bashers with an agenda that doesn't reflect what most Americans really want. Disdain for your so-called 'flip-flops' on key issues over the years.

While experienced and effective leaders don't change their core beliefs, they do change their approaches to problem solving as new circumstances dictate. Only ideologues hold on to outmoded solutions that no longer make sense.

6. Make clear, concise, and straight forward comparisons between your views on issues and President Bush's views so as to highlight the very real choice in this election. Done well, this could generate rousing audience responses that energize your campaign.

George Bush opposes a woman's right to choose. I support that right. Where do you stand? With Bush or Kerry? George Bush thinks polluters should be allowed to clean up their act any way they please. I think a prod from government is sometimes necessary to keep our air and water clean and safe. Where do you stand? With Bush or Kerry?

George Bush thinks a Medicare drug benefit should enrich drug companies greatly, while trickling only small savings down to the elderly. I think the benefit should help the elderly more than the drug sellers. Which approach do you favor? Bush or Kerry?

7. Key off present discontents to make political points. Make clear, easily understandable linkages between bad Bush policies and voter pain. Soaring gasoline prices, for example, can be presented as an indictment of Bush energy policies that focus on destroying one of this country's natural treasures rather than encouraging conservation and the development of alternative energy resources.

8. Turn criticisms that you lack the qualifications to be President into positive comparisons with your opponent, and into your own criticisms of his unpopular cronies. Your public service is four times longer and more comprehensive than George W. Bush's before he was elected President, so you have a far greater ability to set your own policies without depending on advisors such as Vice-President Cheney (a very good proxy target) and Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld (another good one).

9. Treat 'liberal' labeling of you and your policies with contempt. You're running on your vision of America's future, not playing a decades-old and outmoded liberal and conservative label game. When a President who calls himself a conservative runs the deficits this President is running, takes the aggressive international stances this President is taking, intrudes on individual rights and choices the way this President has done, the old labels are meaningless and outright silly.

10. Try humor once in awhile. Little self-deprecating jibes about your looks would play well. So would the Yale background you share with President Bush (You were two years ahead of him at Yale and still are....)

11. On the war in Iraq and the war on terrorism‹focus on the safer future you will create. Make clear, sharp and frequent distinctions between your ability to create such a future and the President's. Make your arguments in ways that quickly get across why you're the better wartime leader.

Examples: The Bush Administration has lost the confidence of the world with its arrogant behavior and will be hard-pressed to win the world's full support in our battles in Iraq and our war against international terrorists. Kerry doesn't carry the baggage of their past blunders. The world hasn't lost faith America's leadership. It's lost faith in the Bush Administration's ability to lead.

12. On the economy, pick three or four key economic themes. Boil them down basics. Call these as your "New Kerry Economics." Tax cuts for a middle class that needs them. No tax cuts for the very rich who don't. No American tax subsidies that encourage American firms to ship jobs abroad. A Medicare drug program that benefits seniors more than drug companies.

Over the years, some very qualified Democratic candidates have lost races for the White House because of poor campaigning. That must not happen this year.

Please, Senator Kerry, make your own campaigning more effective in coming weeks and months. So much of so many futures now depend on your ability to simplify the complex in ways that touch the heart, the gut and the spirit of voters, as well as their minds.

Sincerely,
Michael Silverstein, the Wall St. Poet

© Copyright 2002, 2003, 2004 by MikeHersh.com

MikeHersh.com invites you to reproduce, reprint or broadcast any material at this site, provided you identify the source as MikeHersh.com. All Internet and email summaries, excerpts or other written reproductions must include this blurb and a link to http://www.MikeHersh.com.

http://www.mikehersh.com/An_Open_Letter_to_John_Kerry_from_a_Worried_Democrat.shtml

[Oski2005]

Who the heck is Mike Hersh, and why didn't you find this story(Republicans Sabotaged Clinton's Anti-Terror Efforts) on his website interesting enough to start a thread?

http://www.mikehersh.com/Republicans_sabotaged_Clintons_Anti-Terror_Efforts.shtml

[thegary]

if you check the schedule, every concert is in a swing state. :cool:

[Chump]

ron413's derailing train strikes again

the concept isn't "nuculer" science, a thread is created to deal with a topic, people respond to that thread about said topic

if you want to post something about a democrat voicing concern about Kerry, create a new thread about it

the admins need to do something about your continual disregard and disrespect for topics and threads

[ron413]

Originally posted by Chump
ron413's derailing train strikes again

the concept isn't "nuculer" science, a thread is created to deal with a topic, people respond to that thread about said topic

if you want to post something about a democrat voicing concern about Kerry, create a new thread about it

the admins need to do something about your continual disregard and disrespect for topics and threads

Hey Chump Daddy, this ain't the BBS Hangout forum. I am not going to waste Clutch's server space with a new thread when this liberal Vote For Change Tour thread is perfect for my article. The musicians are standing on the principle of voting for change. That means they most likely could care less what Kerry has to say. They hate GWB more than anything. Well that is great and all, and I wish them well in their pursuits this Summer and Fall. But I DO NOT VOTE FOR CHANGE, I vote for anyone but Forbes Kerry; which means I vote for GWB!!! Which means that my conservative behind will find as many chances to bring another perspective to alot of these crazy liberal threads:)

If you want this thread to be all lovey dovey and positive for Kerry, bring that weak shiite somewhere else. Ok chump?

[BrianKagy]

If he was still alive, SRV would be on this tour too.

If he was still alive, JFK would vote for Bush.

And of course Dave Matthews isn't washed up. You have to not suck at one point in order to eventually be washed up.

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally posted by BrianKagy
If he was still alive, JFK would vote for Bush.



If frogs had wings, they wouldn't bruise their ass everytime they jumped.

[BrianKagy]

If frogs had wings, they wouldn't bruise their ass everytime they jumped.

Nah, that's actually logical. We're making up stupid speculative **** about dead people right now. Come back later.

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally posted by giddyup
I'll be looking for the smoke-filled skies.... :D

I would tell you to try a Grateful Dead concert, if Jerry Garcia were still alive! :D

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally posted by BrianKagy
Nah, that's actually logical. We're making up stupid speculative **** about dead people right now. Come back later.

OK

If Brian Jones were still alive, the Rolling Stones would be playing casinos and state fairs instead of football stadiums.

How's that? Did I win something???

;) :D

[ron413]

Originally posted by Oski2005
Who the heck is Mike Hersh?



He is a concerned liberal. Or a "Worried Democrat" if you will...

[Chump]

Originally posted by ron413
He is a concerned liberal. Or a "Worried Democrat" if you will...

Since you avoided the simple question of what the heck did your article have to to with the topic at hand, I will dismiss your ramblings as those of someone unable to comprehend basic language skills and unworthy of responding to. You are a troll and will be treated as such.

[Rocketman95]

That was easy.

[ron413]

Originally posted by Chump
Since you avoided the simple question of what the heck did your article have to to with the topic at hand, I will dismiss your ramblings as those of someone unable to comprehend basic language skills and unworthy of responding to. You are a troll and will be treated as such.

I was not talking to you Chump. That is why I replied to Oski and his name appears at the top of the post. If I was replying to you your name would be up there at the top like it is now. If you will notice my response to you is before my response to Oski, and here it is for you once again.

"Hey Chump Daddy, this ain't the BBS Hangout forum. I am not going to waste Clutch's server space with a new thread when this liberal Vote For Change Tour thread is perfect for my article. The musicians are standing on the principle of voting for change. That means they most likely could care less what Kerry has to say. They hate GWB more than anything. Well that is great and all, and I wish them well in their pursuits this Summer and Fall. But I DO NOT VOTE FOR CHANGE, I vote for anyone but Forbes Kerry; which means I vote for GWB!!! Which means that my conservative behind will find as many chances to bring another perspective to alot of these crazy liberal threads.

If you want this thread to be all lovey dovey and positive for Kerry, bring that weak shiite somewhere else. Ok chump?" THE END.

Now do you have a response to that? Thank you very much for your time and sorry that I bothered you in all your brilliance.

[ron413]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
That was easy.

What was easy? Don't sabotage Chumps thread and prove yourself to be a waffler just like JK. :)

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally posted by ron413
What was easy? Don't sabotage Chumps thread and prove yourself to be a waffler just like JK. :)

Better a waffler who is open to change than a demagogue who is not.

[Rocketman95]

Originally posted by ron413
What was easy? Don't sabotage Chumps thread and prove yourself to be a waffler just like JK. :)

Oh, I'm a waffler alright! I can't decide now if I wanna go see the band in San Francisco or Dayton! :)

When're we balling?

[ron413]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
Oh, I'm a waffler alright! I can't decide now if I wanna go see the band in San Francisco or Dayton! :)

When're we balling?

Monday-Wednesday @ 6pm in SW Houston. Send me an e-mail any day you may be interested, please invite RocketmanTex:cool:

[Rocketman95]

Send me an e-mail through the board, or a message at my AOL. I'm not sure what you're e-mail is.

[gwayneco]

Originally posted by andymoon
Since when is Dave Matthews washed up?

You're right, he's not a "has been," he's a "never was."

[ron413]

Originally posted by RocketMan Tex
Better a waffler who is open to change than a demagogue who is not.

Keep on rockin' in the free world Tex...

[rimrocker]

Tomorrow's op-ed inthe NYTimes...
________________

Chords for Change
By BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN

A nation's artists and musicians have a particular place in its social and political life. Over the years I've tried to think long and hard about what it means to be American: about the distinctive identity and position we have in the world, and how that position is best carried. I've tried to write songs that speak to our pride and criticize our failures.

These questions are at the heart of this election: who we are, what we stand for, why we fight. Personally, for the last 25 years I have always stayed one step away from partisan politics. Instead, I have been partisan about a set of ideals: economic justice, civil rights, a humane foreign policy, freedom and a decent life for all of our citizens. This year, however, for many of us the stakes have risen too high to sit this election out.

Through my work, I've always tried to ask hard questions. Why is it that the wealthiest nation in the world finds it so hard to keep its promise and faith with its weakest citizens? Why do we continue to find it so difficult to see beyond the veil of race? How do we conduct ourselves during difficult times without killing the things we hold dear? Why does the fulfillment of our promise as a people always seem to be just within grasp yet forever out of reach?

I don't think John Kerry and John Edwards have all the answers. I do believe they are sincerely interested in asking the right questions and working their way toward honest solutions. They understand that we need an administration that places a priority on fairness, curiosity, openness, humility, concern for all America's citizens, courage and faith.

People have different notions of these values, and they live them out in different ways. I've tried to sing about some of them in my songs. But I have my own ideas about what they mean, too. That is why I plan to join with many fellow artists, including the Dave Matthews Band, Pearl Jam, R.E.M., the Dixie Chicks, Jurassic 5, James Taylor and Jackson Browne, in touring the country this October. We will be performing under the umbrella of a new group called Vote for Change. Our goal is to change the direction of the government and change the current administration come November.

Like many others, in the aftermath of 9/11, I felt the country's unity. I don't remember anything quite like it. I supported the decision to enter Afghanistan and I hoped that the seriousness of the times would bring forth strength, humility and wisdom in our leaders. Instead, we dived headlong into an unnecessary war in Iraq, offering up the lives of our young men and women under circumstances that are now discredited. We ran record deficits, while simultaneously cutting and squeezing services like afterschool programs. We granted tax cuts to the richest 1 percent (corporate bigwigs, well-to-do guitar players), increasing the division of wealth that threatens to destroy our social contract with one another and render mute the promise of "one nation indivisible."

It is through the truthful exercising of the best of human qualities - respect for others, honesty about ourselves, faith in our ideals - that we come to life in God's eyes. It is how our soul, as a nation and as individuals, is revealed. Our American government has strayed too far from American values. It is time to move forward. The country we carry in our hearts is waiting.


Bruce Springsteen is a writer and performer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/05/opinion/05bruce.html?pagewanted=print&position=

[Deckard]

Originally posted by BrianKagy
If he was still alive, JFK would vote for Bush.
..............

What total BS. Kennedy was a Democrat and proud of it. The chances of him voting for Bush are equal to the chances of JFK voting for Nixon. Zero. Oh, wait, he couldn't vote for Nixon. He ran against Tricky Dick in 1960. Somehow, I don't think he would vote for his opponent.

And he sure as hell wouldn't vote for George W. Bush.
Tell me you were kidding.

[rimrocker]

Originally posted by Deckard

Tell me you were kidding.

I think he was trying to make a point about the SRV post.

[ima_drummer2k]

Hey, that's really great Bruce. Thanks for the lecture. You sure are a man of the people (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/bruce/bruce2.html)....

[Deckard]

Originally posted by rimrocker
I think he was trying to make a point about the SRV post.
Sorry, but my "however this fits" detector is not operating at 100%. A long day dealing with someone else's kids, mucking up my normally terrific pair, combined with various other stuff too mundane to mention, has me out of sorts. My apologies to BK, with the assumption that he was kidding. (see, I still can't get past seeing that in print... that JFK would ever vote for Bush. Argh!) Sorry, BK. :)

[giddyup]

Originally posted by rimrocker
I think he was trying to make a point about the SRV post.
It's hard to know with the aptly named Kagy.

If you take off your party blinders, though, consider these two points and then ask yourself which party is best represented by the point in consideration:

1. Reduce taxes to stimulate the economy

2. "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

In some circles, these are known as The Charleton Heston Factors.

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally posted by ron413
Keep on rockin' in the free world Tex...

I'll give it my best shot, always!:)

[andymoon]

Originally posted by gwayneco
You're right, he's not a "has been," he's a "never was."

Whatever. I'm not even a big fan of DMB and I know that they are bigger than most other bands out there. They are playing 2 dates in Houston this month. How many bands have enough fans to play 2 days back to back in the same city?

[Faos]

Springsteen is overrated. That is a debate in its own.

[basso]

Originally posted by Chump
"The Vote for Change Tour (October 1-10) includes Dave Matthews

can dave matthews vote? is he an african, or an african-american? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Matthews)

[Chump]

Originally posted by basso
can dave matthews vote? is he an african, or an african-american? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Matthews)


this isn't an official site or anything, so take it for what it's worth

"Dave Matthews was born in Johannesburg, South Africa. He was only two years old when he first moved to the United States, and he became a U.S. citizen at the age of 13."

http://www.arches.uga.edu/~mlee01/bio.html

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally posted by basso
can dave matthews vote? is he an african, or an african-american? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Matthews)

Nice try, blasto. Apparently Dave Matthews is yet another American citizen who will be voting against American fascism on November 2nd. Better luck next time.

http://www.arches.uga.edu/~mlee01/bio.html

"Dave Matthews was born in Johannesburg, South Africa. He was only two years old when he first moved to the United States, and he became a U.S. citizen at the age of 13...."

[RocketMan Tex]

Woooo...Chump beat be my THAT MUCH!:D