Padres @ Astros

[Castor27]

The start of the "Scrap Iron" era begins. Hopefully it will be better than the 1M era.

7-16 -- Jake Peavey (5-3, 2.43) vs. Andy Pettitte (5-2, 4.14) 7:05 on FSSW

7-17 -- David Wells (4-5, 3.09) vs. Roy Oswalt (8-7, 3.65) 3:05 on FOX

7-18 -- Brian Lawrence (10-6, 3.89) vs. Roger Clemens (10-3, 2.62) 1:05 on FSSW

[rrj_gamz]

well, we have to win all three, but i believe we'll win 2 of 3...I can't see how Phil Garner is going to make a huge impact, but what the hell do I know...

go stros...

[JPM0016]

WWL

anyone know why Andy Pettitte is getting the first start out of the break?

[leroy420]

Originally posted by JPM0016
WWL

anyone know why Andy Pettitte is getting the first start out of the break?

It's basically his turn in the rotation. With Roy going on short rest going into the break and Roger pitching the ASG, it makes sense to start with Andy. I believe it will be Pettitte, Oswalt, Clemens, Munro(?), 5th starter (Redding, Duckworth, or a call up).


WWW ...confidence comes back and we sweep a contender.

[Surfguy]

LLL

:D

[Uprising]

Oh god, I have been so bad at this for the past month and a half. Well, here we go again.

WWW.


WOW! I didn't know the alstar game L or W adds on to the pitchers season record!

[Groogrux]

It starts tonight.

WWW

[rockets-#1]

They are getting to get hot, now. No more of thise losing BS. If they don't do it now, it's over.

*******WWW

[whag00]

LLW....

[Austin70]

WW and a big for sure win on Sunday, they are 2-0 so far in the games I have gone to.

[RocketManJosh]

Gotta go LLL

They always do the opposite of what I tell them ...

C'mon Stros its time to start movin on up

[leroy420]

Originally posted by Uprising
WOW! I didn't know the alstar game L or W adds on to the pitchers season record!

What do you mean?

[RocketMan Tex]

I'm sitting 1st row on the club level behind home plate tonight.

Since I will be there, the Astros will naturally lose.

LWW

[rudager]

Originally posted by Uprising
WOW! I didn't know the alstar game L or W adds on to the pitchers season record!

It doesn't. He lost his last start against the Dodgers.

[deepellumrocket]

Has anybody seen an expected lineup for tonight?

[Groogrux]

Originally posted by deepellumrocket
Has anybody seen an expected lineup for tonight?

Yeah, I'm interested to see that as well.

[isoman2kx]

why not

continuing our trend

LLL :)

i'll have some faith when we win more than 1 series in a row.

[caphorns]

WWW - Go get /em Scrap

http://www.theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/Samples/026.2/s12s.JPG

[deepellumrocket]

Originally posted by Castor27
The start of the "Scrap Iron" era begins.

Shouldn't this be the "Scrap Iron Age"?

[Bogey]

Originally posted by RocketMan Tex
I'm sitting 1st row on the club level behind home plate tonight.

Since I will be there, the Astros will naturally lose.

LWW

Dang, I'll be there on Saturday, so that means we'll start LLW.

Actually, I'll go with WWW.

[leroy420]

Just found out that tonight's game won't be televised in Austin.

Damn Time Warner :mad:

[Uprising]

Originally posted by rudager
It doesn't. He lost his last start against the Dodgers.

Yeah that's right. I forgot about that game. I had him at 10-2 at the break. whoops.

[fatman510]

Biggio
Vizcaino
Beltran
Berkman
Kent
Bagwell
Ausmus
Everett


Lineup for tonight

[Surfguy]

Kent sucks!

[Texas Stoke]

That just pissed me off.

[Nick]

I wonder if Jimy would have bunted there... ;)

[Groogrux]

Originally posted by Nick
I wonder if Jimy would have bunted there... ;)

Yup. If Jimy was our manager, we'd still be batting. :)

[Surfguy]

Well, I guess we don't get to see the benefits of the managerial change in the 1st inning cause it looked alot like the same team out there. :(

:D

[Surfguy]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
Yup. If Jimy was our manager, we'd still be batting. :)

Bring Back Rudy and Jimy! Yea....yea....hehe..heh... . :p

Edit: After that pop bunt play we botched, isn't "The Garner Identity/Supremacy" supposed to go into motion by throwing a Gatorade jug or something? Heh. Oh crap....3 runs score. BAH! GOD I CAN'T TAKE THIS TEAM'S CRAPPY PLAY!

[codell]

Complete lack of hustle by Bags and Pettite cost us 3 runs.

Ugh.

[Groogrux]

I'm not sure I've ever seen Biggio play a ball that bad.

[Nick]

Isshi wannatakka hokaido ichi.

Translation: They're still s***ty

(from Major League... this team needs that sort off turn-a-round)

[Texas Stoke]

put on the rally caps!

[codell]

“Losing is a disease…as contagious as the bubonic plague.”

[Surfguy]

We need the "eye of the tiger". I propose to have Rocky I - IV playing at all times in the locker room. That will get them going. LOL.

[JPM0016]

another fastball blown by Bagwell :(

[Nick]

Originally posted by Surfguy
We need the "eye of the tiger". I propose to have Rocky I - IV playing at all times in the locker room. That will get them going. LOL.

Have them play it before, during, after at bats. Play it in the dugout. Pipe it in wirelessly thru their helmets (they do have wirelss at MMP now).

Play it so damn much that everybody is thinking only about getting that damn song out of their head.

Then... maybe then... they can get back to playing winning baseball.

Maybe their brains are getting in the way. (Tin Cup)

[arkoe]

Bill Worrell's a moron.

[BobFinn*]

Originally posted by arkoe
Bill Worrell's a moron.

Oh yeah, and Milo Hamilton is great, right?:rolleyes:

[Nick]

Originally posted by arkoe
Bill Worrell's a moron.

There's nothing worse than listening to him broadcast baseball for a losing team.

At least when they were rocking teams at home the past couple of years, after basketball season, he was somewhat tolerable. This year... because of this team's poor play... he's become intolerable.

Here's that great piece of analysis you look for in your baseball color man:

"Here's another big problem for the Astros... when they hit the ball hard, its always at somebody."

I'm sorry... but that's far worse than anything Calvin ever said for him... shouldn't he know better?

[Nick]

Bagwell has tossed the bat down in disgust more times in 1/2 of a year than he has his entire career.

[codell]

Originally posted by Nick
Bagwell has tossed the bat down in disgust more times in 1/2 of a year than he has his entire career.

He needs to stop that. Hell make his shoulder worse!!!

heh

[arkoe]

Originally posted by BobFinn*
Oh yeah, and Milo Hamilton is great, right?:rolleyes:

Luckily, I don't often listen to the radio. I do, however, much prefer Hamilton to Worrell.

It's nothing new for me this season; I've never been able to stand him.

[Surfguy]

Originally posted by codell
He needs to stop that. Hell make his shoulder worse!!!

heh

Bagwell has an attitude problem, Mister. Garner needs to fine him every time he says a curse word and slams the bat down like that. Bags needs to start gently tossing the bat in those situations and he needs to say a "happy" word or words on his way back to the dugout like: "I'll get them next time", "I almost got that one", or "I'll hit it out next at bat". It's all mental. Shoulder smoulder.

[whag00]

Originally posted by BobFinn*
Oh yeah, and Milo Hamilton is great, right?:rolleyes:

Are you not a fan of Miguel TeHEYda

[codell]

"............ as contagious as syphilis"

[Nick]

I swear... Klesko is right behind Jim Edmonds as the all-time greatest Minute Maid Park hitter.

He can be struggling throughout the season... but when he comes to Houston, he always turns it on.

Maybe he can be our next first-baseman.

[whag00]

Bill Worrell - "The Astros cannot win the wild card unless they put some wins together" Good call Bill

[BobFinn*]

Milo is the worst I have ever heard. Trying to get a score out of him is like trying to pull teeth. He mispronounces names often, and never finishes the play by play. He always leave you guessing what just happened.

At least Bill talks coherently, Milo speaks a foreign language to me.

[arkoe]

Worrell's asinine comments, such as the one Whag mentioned, annoy me more than Milo's shortcomings. Again, granted, I watch the game more often on tv than I listen to it on the radio. I've turned off the tv many times though due solely to Worrell.

[BobFinn*]

All I can say is, try turning off your tv and turn on the radio to listen to the Astros games. A few years back, before I had DirecTv and was able to WATCH Astros games, all I had was internet radio broadcasts of the games. Milo is clueless when it comes to describing what is going on. He should have retired 20 years ago.

Turn off that TV and turn on the radio, I think you will agree.

[Surfguy]

All this biyatching about the broadcasters. Bill's been around forever as has Milo. Replacing them won't help the team win any more. It just doesn't matter unless we win. ;)

It just doesn't matter!

It just doesn't matter!

[JPM0016]

http://anaheim.angels.mlb.com/images/2002/08/06/5DskhCqO.jpg

[arkoe]

It matters to me that people paid to make the game more enjoyable actually ruin it for me.

[JPM0016]

If there ever was a time for Jeff Bagwell to prove he still has something left; this is it.

[codell]

Originally posted by JPM0016
If there ever was a time for Jeff Bagwell to prove he still has something left; this is it.

I was about to say the same thing.

Im rooting hard for him to come through here. It is Scott Linebrink after all. :)

[Surfguy]

No pain, Jeff. No pain.

You got the EYE OF THE TIGER.

THERE IS NO TOMORROW!

1-2 . 1-2 now. Stick it.

Edit: Oh well...another pop-up by Bags. :(

[Nick]

They're now talking about Bagwell the same way they were talking about Olajuwon in his twilight.

"He used to..."

"I remember back when..."

"Maybe he can turn back the clock..."

Its sad.

[DaDakota]

Originally posted by codell
“Losing is a disease…as contagious as the bubonic plague.”


"ah, but curable."

Best movie ever.

DD

[The Real Shady]

Bases loaded with 0 outs. Stros will screw it up. Count on it.

[Surfguy]

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

:mad:

[JPM0016]

Originally posted by Nick
They're now talking about Bagwell the same way they were talking about Olajuwon in his twilight.

"He used to..."

"I remember back when..."

"Maybe he can turn back the clock..."

Its sad.

i was about to say the same thing as well. The only difference being we knew Dream's contract was up at the end of the year. :)

[codell]

Fans are booing

[DaDakota]

Originally posted by codell
Fans are booing

Well at least someone at that stadium is showing some emotion.

:)

DD

[Nick]

Originally posted by The Real Shady
Bases loaded with 0 outs. Stros will screw it up. Count on it.

You posted this after there was already 1 out!

Doesn't count... :cool:

[DaDakota]

Originally posted by Nick
You posted this after there was already 1 out!

Doesn't count... :cool:

Did they screw it up?

DD

[codell]

Originally posted by DaDakota
Well at least someone at that stadium is showing some emotion.

:)

DD

Well, Bagwell did throw his bat down. Twice.

[Texas Stoke]

Here's where the team is hurting the most. Here is where there is
3 automatic outs. Bagwell, Ausmus, and Everett. The better players are on the bench. Lane, Chavez, Lamb. Lane should be our everyday first baseman. Chavez our everyday catcher. Lamb our everyday third baseman. With Vizcanio as our everyday shortstop. Ausmus can catch Clemens every fifth day. If this team wants to win now, thats what needs to happen.

[codell]

Flyout, K, flyout. 0 Runs Scored.

Garner doesn't know what hes in for.

[The Real Shady]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm looking forward to going to the game tomorrow so I can boo this team in person. :mad: :mad:


You posted this after there was already 1 out!

Doesn't count...

Yeah, but it still happened. :)

[RocketManJosh]

Same ole Astros

[fya]

Same ole astros.

[leroy420]

:mad:

[RocketManJosh]

This is pathetic ... I've watched every game on TV so far this year from the West Coast and I am finally going back to Houston to visit, and at this point I am almost regretting buying tickets to a game.

Why ruin a good trip when they are going to play like this?

How bout some defense guys? Our outfielders look like this is the first time they've ever played Minute Maid with some of the routes they've taken on fly balls ... and Kent ... sheesh it just keeps getting worse

Well the good news for Garner is that it isnt going to get much worse ;)

[JBIIRockets]

Originally posted by BobFinn*
and never finishes the play by play. He always leave you guessing what just happened.


Man, this is so true.

an example would be something like "Swing, and a groundball in the hole to Everett, picks, fires aaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnddddddddd.........uhhhhhuuuuhhhhhhhhh..........GOT HIM!"

[pgabriel]

I can't believe Beck is still in the Majors.

[codell]

Originally posted by pgabriel
I can't believe Beck is still in the Majors.

I can't believe his 84 MPH fastball is still working in the Majors.

[Surfguy]

I can't believe it's not butter. ;)

Looks like the Astros are losing another game. :o

[adw]

What a suprise another game where our hitting sucks much butt :mad: :(

[JPM0016]

i blame Jimy Williams... oh wait

[Surfguy]

Originally posted by JPM0016
i blame Jimy Williams... oh wait

It's the Jimy Williams hangover effect.

Give it a few games to get out of the system.

[Furious Jam]

Bagwell has got to be benched. Even if it doesn't help the team this year, it would at least shame him into retirement and allow Drayton to buy out his bloated contract.

[codell]

Now 12 games behind STL and 5.5 behind SF for the wild card.

[Uprising]

whoopie.....WE SUCK! :mad: :mad: :mad:

@#$^& *&#%^$&*@#!!!!


12 games back......even I am starting to doubt any chance for our stros to win the central now.

we are even way back for the wild card. BOOOOO.

This team is starting to piss me off. I can't stand it anymore.

I hope the team is happy. They get the management fired, and they are a sub .500 team. Way to go guys. Way to keep the fire in your hearts when you were favored to make it to the first WS in Franchise history. Congrats, I applaud.



Uprising exits stage left. A gun shot and then thump on the ground follows.

[HillBoy]

And the band played on...

[gunn]

Originally posted by Surfguy
It's the Jimy Williams hangover effect.

Give it a few games to get out of the system.

We don't have a "few games" to give.

[SamCassell]

SOA.

[Lil Francis]

I guess its time to look towards the Texans season.

[Surfguy]

This is when we turn the page. Today! No...really... . ;)

[RiceRocket1]

I was there last night and it was just sad. I expected to not score any with the bases loaded as I'm sure most people in there did. I cannot believe Scraps let Ausmus hit. There was no reason not to bring in Lane or Lamb and then have Chavez catch the last 3 innings. It doesn't look like things are going to get any better. My friend even had some tickets today, but I declined because I don't want to go down there and just end up disappointed again.

[RiceRocket1]

Hey another great start. :mad:

[dEVIL]

wells is pitching away, the astros are swinging away

[nyrocket]

Originally posted by Texas Stoke
Lane should be our everyday first baseman. Chavez our everyday catcher. Lamb our everyday third baseman. With Vizcanio as our everyday shortstop. Ausmus can catch Clemens every fifth day. If this team wants to win now, thats what needs to happen.

The defense that the team puts on the field isn't bad enough for you???

[arkoe]

Originally posted by RiceRocket1
I declined because I don't want to go down there and just end up disappointed again.

Looking like a good call...

[Surfguy]

6-0 Game Over...again

This f-ing team...I'm so tired of this crap we call baseball. I don't care what you have to do anymore. Break this team apart and put it back together again. If it means trading people, trade em. If it means benching people, bench em. Our Triple-A club could do better than we are doing on offense anyway. We are playing like we have no pride or heart. This is the worst baseball I've ever seen the Astros play. I'm disgusted. The chemistry on offense is non-existent right now.

It's just a matter of pride, now. Screw the playoffs...we don't deserve to go.

[Groogrux]

Two months before football season. Plenty of time to expand my horizons in other areas. I'm pretty much through with baseball.

[DaDakota]

Nice job Biggio...can't catch a slicing foul ball....and then 5 runs score...GREAT !!!!!

Our team has no energy, and no fire, and they are FAR below average defensivly.

BOOOOOOOOOO !!!!


DD

[Cold Hard]

Game over, and season over. This team has no fire and doesn't want to win. Blow up the team. With the exceptions of Pettitte, Lidge, Berkman and Lane, every single player on the team is expendable and should be shopped around. The Astros are a team of proven losers, not proven winners like the moronic FOX announcers say.

This has been the most disastrous season this team has had in over a decade.

[Trader_Jorge]

Biggio just singlehandedly lost us another game with that gaffe in leftfield.

[thacabbage]

There comes a time when you just have to accept that it's not going to happen. It would be foolish to stubbornly stay with this thing at the expense of our future. Beltran and Kent need to be dealt immediately. I would not oppose a trade of Wade Miller either - he's just too shaky. I personally would definitely explore trading Clemens and Pettite but I'm sure most here would disagree with me. I've felt since even before the season started that Pettite is vastly overrated - add that to his injury problems and I don't know if it's wise for a rebuilding team with a fixed budget to pay him $10mill/yr. Drayton would get death threats if he did it, but I think it'd be the smartest business decision.

[Mr. Clutch]

It looks like Biggio wasn't given an error for that play.

[rezdawg]

Oh, the Astros are playing today??

Bastards.

[Surfguy]

Signs of life...we've scored 4 runs. I can't believe it...Bagwell actually hit a homer.

[pgabriel]

Originally posted by thacabbage
I've felt since even before the season started that Pettite is vastly overrated - add that to his injury problems and I don't know if it's wise for a rebuilding team with a fixed budget to pay him $10mill/yr.


Hey brother, with me you're preaching to the choir on this issue. I had the exact same concerns about bringing in Pettite this year. I thought there was one saving grace about obtaining a Pettite in the off-season, this team's window of opportunity was closing fast. Add to that he brought in Clemens so I slowed down on the criticism of the move. Pettite is overpaid and overrated, but considering you get him and Clemens for this season for a combined $13 million I believe, its hard to beat that. But now that this season looks to be just about over, its time for Drayton to start thinking about the long-term future.

[NIKEstrad]

Originally posted by Surfguy
I can't believe it...Bagwell actually hit a homer.

Don't worry, it didn't mean anything. :(

[thacabbage]

pgabriel: I had no issues with them signing Pettite this summer because this team was looking to contend. I just thought the expectations put on him by some were pretty ridiculous considering he had an ERA above 4 last season. Most people talked about him like he was some great ace. He's not. What Andy Pettite is is a damn good pitcher who I would want on my team. He's the best big game pitcher in baseball. The problem is that the days of the Astros contending are over. They can either stay in denial and hold onto these guys and suck ass for eternity or they can start dealing these guys off for some top prospects in hopes of restocking faster. The bottom line is that $10mill/yr for a guy who is likely to spend a considerable amount of time on the DL for a team that won't be in contention is not smart money.

[gunn]

Originally posted by thacabbage
The bottom line is that $10mill/yr for a guy who is likely to spend a considerable amount of time on the DL for a team that won't be in contention is not smart money.

Dealing Pettitte is not going to happen.

[dskillz]

Originally posted by NIKEstrad
Don't worry, it didn't mean anything. :(

Bagwell's homers never mean anything. They always come when we are losing big or winning big. I believe Hunzicker was talking about him when he said something to the effect of, "It doesn't matter if you end up with alot of home runs at the end of the season if those home runs don't help us win games."

I hate to say it, but I am starting to get into NFL mode as this Astros season is shaping up to be a disaster.

[thacabbage]

Originally posted by gunn
Dealing Pettitte is not going to happen.
Agreed. Mclane would be crucified.

[Nick]

They're now just 2 games out of LAST place in this division.

[bigboymumu]

CAB-
I agree for the most part. Start with Kent and do not stop until you trade Biggio! Basically, it is FIRE SALE TIME!

[codell]

Originally posted by Nick
They're now just 2 games out of LAST place in this division.

If that were to happen (the Pirates catching us), this would go down as one of the most disappointing seasons in history.

[JPM0016]

Originally posted by codell
If that were to happen (the Pirates catching us), this would go down as one of the most disappointing seasons in history.

sure would. What makes it worse is having to watch it 5/6 times a week. At least in the NBA you get a 3 to 4 day reprieve, or a whole week in football. Watching this pathetic showing every single day just makes the frustration that much worse.

[Gummi Clutch]

Did you really expect Garner to turn this bunch of losers around in two days?
Most of the guys you are counting on are old, and have heard it all before.
They are so old they are going to have trouble finishing the rest of the season, let alone finishing strong.
I would not be suprised if we end up in last place.

[gunn]

Originally posted by Nick
They're now just 2 games out of LAST place in this division.

Let the race begin.

[MadMax]

yeah..i'm sure glad we have garner now. that was a big, important move.

well at least all the jimy haters don't have to complain anymore about giving up outs with too much bunting....OH WAIT...THEY DO!!!

[bigboymumu]

Originally posted by MadMax
yeah..i'm sure glad we have garner now. that was a big, important move.

well at least all the jimy haters don't have to complain anymore about giving up outs with too much bunting....OH WAIT...THEY DO!!!

I can't believe your sarcasm. You defend Drayton, Gerry, Biggio, and Jimy. Who exactly is to blame then? Brad, Adam, Morgan...

Better yet, why don't explain what you would do to improve this team.

[Davidoff]

Thank god that we have the ROX...

[rockets-#1]

"BACK UP THE TRUCK, BACK IT UP!"
I can't remember the rest of the quote, but I believe it's something along the lines of.... you're worthless all of ya! You overpaid sissies...

[Hmm]

Originally posted by Da-Glyde
Thank god that we have the ROX...

Two weeks and two months to go for NBA preason/exhibition games. :)

Wish it'd get here sooner though. :(

[Raven Lunatic]

This ****ing team is cursed. That's it, **** the Astros and **** baseball. I'm gonna start paying attention to football now.

[Lil Francis]

I thought the Astros offense would be the same way the Cardinals offense is. All the talent the Astros have and the bats have just went south. I think the lack of fire on the team is killing them. Berkman or Beltran will hit a homer and the bench gives a little golf clap and a lame ass pat on the back. But when Pujols, or Rolen hit a homer for the Cards you see the bench fired up and ready roll. Thats the difference between the two and thats why the Cards are in first. I just don't believe the Cards have that much more talent than the Stros.

[BobFinn*]

Jeff Kent jacks one out of MM!!!

2-0 lead for Clemens:)

[Zac D]

Originally posted by Lil Francis
I think the lack of fire on the team is killing them. Berkman or Beltran will hit a homer and the bench gives a little golf clap and a lame ass pat on the back. But when Pujols, or Rolen hit a homer for the Cards you see the bench fired up and ready roll. Thats the difference between the two and thats why the Cards are in first.

Of COURSE. The 'Stros just need their bench players to CLAP HARDER. Call Garner right now.

[Groogrux]

Roger is clearly out of gas.

[Behad]

That looked like a fight going on for that Biggio ball

[dEVIL]

biggio hr

[Nick]

Adam Everett will be the biggest beneficiary of having Gaetti as a hitting coach in the majors.

He turned around his career before last year at New Orleans... and now, he can continue that progress.

Way to make the Padres pay for leaving Lawrence in one hitter too long.

EDIT: And, of course, it wouldn't be an official baseball season if Ryan Klesko didn't hit a HR in Minute Maid Park... finally, they can now start the season.

[codell]

Klesko owns MMP.

That was an awful hanging slider.

[Bailey]

Hey, the Astros get runs in a two outs situation, and no one posts? :)

[dEVIL]

i think this game started the beginning successful rest of the season

[Surfguy]

I didn't catch the game today and we finally win one. :mad:

If the only way we can win is if I don't watch, then I'm game. :)

[arkoe]

Originally posted by dEVIL
i think this game started the beginning successful rest of the season

Here's for hoping.

I really hope Gaetti can do something with these hitters; Everett seemed happy he's here.

[Joshfast]

Originally posted by Bailey
Hey, the Astros get runs in a two outs situation, and no one posts? :)

Because no one is watching? :D

[rockets-#1]

Originally posted by smashfast
Because no one is watching? :D

Haha great point. :D

I can't believe the Astros won a game. What are the odds of them doing it next game? 1:1000?

[PhiSlammaJamma]

LOL

[rrj_gamz]

Stick a fork in us, we're done...