Can we Fire Jimy already ?

[DaDakota]

I know it may not be fair, but the team is just not responding to him as a manager.

He has been mediocre at best, and the team is floundering.

If we can't get rid of the players, then something has to be done to shake them up.

It is frustrating to watch all these individually talented players struggle to play as a team.

And smart baseball, and manufacturing runs has been absent since Jimy took over.

I wonder if Hunsicker would pull the trigger to shake things up?

DD

[Rocket Fan]

it might be time.. I don't know if it will help anything or not.. but it's worth a shot...

If it doesn't help anything.. i don't see jimy as someone that we will hugely regret losing.. does anyone view him as a manager we'd have a hard time replacing with someone who can do as good a job?

[DaDakota]

I am not totally blaming Jimy, but this team has ZERO fire.....no one seems to give a rats patootie....

They need a fiery leader to shake things up.

DD

[Nick]

This offense was never built to manufacture runs. It relies on Berkman, Bagwell, Kent, Beltran, and Ensberg to drive them in on extra base hits, and HR's.

In fact, if anything, Jimy tried to get them to manufacture runs a lot at the begginning of the season (much to everyone's demise)... maybe he knew something that we didn't.

[JBIIRockets]

It will probably happen after the All-Star break IMO.

I will say this, Bags and Bidge have played under 4 mgrs now, and probaly a fifth after the break. Maybe they are the problem. Although I'd agree with relaeasing Jimy.

[franchise?..NOT]

This is two years in a row of gross underacheivement. The bats have not worked since two years ago on any kind of regular basis. I've heard all about it is not the managers fault and, Oh BTW the were one of the top run scoring teams in the league for the last few years. Jimy has not distinguished himself enough to merit keeping his job. Dierker is the guy to bring in. He has led them to the playoffs consistently and knows the personnel better than anyone else they might bring in.

Even with all the trades, we still have a mediocre bullpen. What the hell are Harville and Redding doing taking up spots. Jimy won't use them.

If the Astros are "going for it this year" then they need to do something and now.

[francis 4 prez]

wow, something me and DD agree on. it must be the right thing to do then.

[Mr. Mooch]

Read the sig and chant along...
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[Roc Paint]

Somebodys got to do it.

[SWTsig]

yeah, im thinking its about that time.......

[leroy420]

He should have never been hired in the first place. They should have stayed in house and hired Pena.

That said, should Phil Garner be a target? Some have mentioned Bob Brenley now that he is free of Arizona. I don't think he's a good choice.

Either way, Jimy needs to go, NOW!

[rockets-#1]

Obviously something isn't right when a team with this much talent is struggling this much. Why not? As Rocket Fan said, even if it doesn't help, we won't regret losing him that much because he's nothing too special. Shake it up, see what happens.

Get Lou Brown in here; he's a great motivator, his players love him.

[RocketManJosh]

The time is now!

It's certainly not all Jimy's fault, but something has to be done to change the mindset of the players on this team. I was hoping getting Beltran would be enough of a jolt but that didn't work yet.

This is our last chance at taking it all and we have to pull out all the stops.

[Khopesh]

It may not be is fault but it is his responsibility.

The lack of accountability in the Astros has been contagious, it's time to bring someone in who is truly dedicated to winning. Even if it means trading or benching some old hands.

[Smokey]

I love how Drayton sits right behind home plate so he can get a good look at what $16 millions going down the toilet looks like.

[thacabbage]

I agree with most in here. This isn't Jimy's fault, but he has to go immediately. They don't have the luxury of wasting any more time.

[DaDakota]

Who would we get?

Dierker?

Personally I would love that to happen, but probably wouldn't.

Maybe Jackie Moore from Round Rock?

DD

[No Worries]

Bob Brenley, it is. Bring it on.

[Groogrux]

Originally posted by DaDakota
Maybe Jackie Moore from Round Rock?


I think it's been said numerous times here that it was a big enough struggle to get him to manage at Round Rock. So, there's probably no way that he'd come to Houston.

For personal reasons, I don't want Brenly. He may be a good coach, but I've disliked him ever since the "chicken ****" comment about Ben Davis breaking up Curt Schilling's no-hitter a few years back.

[SamCassell]

Dierk at least got his teams to the playoffs on a regular basis.

[Khopesh]

McLane learned the hard way that I'm a little too sharp for those tricks.As soon as he asked for my ideas, I asked when he was going to fire manager Jimy Williams.

"Not even a consideration," he said.


We're all talking about firing Jimy, but McLane is on record saying he won't consider such a move?

Lying?

or not?

[Groogrux]

Originally posted by SamCassell
Dierk at least got his teams to the playoffs on a regular basis.

At least our current manager knows what it's like to actually win a series.

[Smokey]

I don't like Brenly either. I think the score was 1-0 D'Backs. Were the Padres supposed to bend over for Schilling? It was a winnable game in the 8th for the Padres and all Davis was trying to do was to get on base anyway possible. Maybe if Brenly was a better manager he would have expected a bunt.

[SamCassell]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
At least our current manager knows what it's like to actually win a series.

I'd forgotten about his stellar 6 - 13 playoff record. Thanks for the reminder. Anyway, Dierker didn't ask for the Killer B's to go o-fer in the playoffs year after year, I don't know how you can manage around that kind of non-production.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by SamCassell
I'd forgotten about his stellar 6 - 13 playoff record. Thanks for the reminder. Anyway, Dierker didn't ask for the Killer B's to go o-fer in the playoffs year after year, I don't know how you can manage around that kind of non-production.

and you think jimy could manage around the lack of production he's gotten from his team??

by the way...6-13 sounds heavenly.

[Groogrux]

Originally posted by SamCassell
I'd forgotten about his stellar 6 - 13 playoff record. Thanks for the reminder. Anyway, Dierker didn't ask for the Killer B's to go o-fer in the playoffs year after year, I don't know how you can manage around that kind of non-production.

I assume you give the same consideration to Jimy, no?

[SamCassell]

Originally posted by Rocketman95
I assume you give the same consideration to Jimy, no?

Sure I do. But here's the thing - what the heck does a manager do to influence ball games? Is it a meaningless position? Do we judge them on the performance of their team overall, or on the in-game moves, or how they manage a clubhouse?

Myself, I look at managers who get the most out of their roster. McKeon got the Marlins to overachieve as a unit last season, and won the world series. By the same token, I give Dierker credit for getting production out of no-name Jose Lima, turning Dotel into a productive reliever, developing Mike Hampton, fitting volatile Carl Everett into the lineup when he was given up on by the Mets, etc. Sean Berry and Derek Bell and Bill Spiers and other scrubs and wannabes had great seasons under Larry's watch. I don't hate Jimy Williams, I just think he's been unable to develop our young pitching and has worn out the bullpen in the past, to our detriment late in the season.

This 2004 team, with Clemens and Pettite, Oswalt and Miller, Bagwell and Biggio, Kent and Berkman and Beltran, is hideously underachieving, and some of that blame has to lie at the feet of the manager.

[wstar]

all a manger has to do is what he thinks is best for the team. as in during the game he should be thinking what can i do to give the team the best chance to win?

here's one of many examples.
last night he pulls clemens after 7 ip and 100 pitches (he also got the padres out 1-2-3 in the bot 7). he brings in miceli and naturally he allows a run and the astros have one ab left to tie it or lose.
sure you have to consider how much clemens has in the tank and the rest of his season, but how does jimy think the astros have a better chance to win a 1-1 game by removing a guy who is dominating for a journeyman reliever???
it's move like this (and there are tons of others...see mike lambs number of at bats, despite being the team's leading hitter) that should result in jimy's firing. which thank goodness is hopefully now just 5 games away.

[Furious Jam]

No one hates Jimy more than I do, but firing him won't change the fact that Bagwell has to start at 1st every day. A new manager wouldn't have the authority to bench him either. I'm sure that Jimy's moves alone have cost us a handful of games, but getting rid of him won't change the fact that it's Bagwell and Biggio who really run this team.

If Jeff offered to sit for a week to rest his shoulder and either Lane or Lamb went into the lineup, I believe that the offense would increase by at least 1 run per game, maybe 2 - a change in the middle of the lineup can make the players in front more productive because they'll get better pitches. Every scout in baseball can see that Bagwell can't get around on an average fastball anymore without starting early.

In short, Jimy has done nothing to help himself, but he'll still be a scapegoat.