Sweet! Now lets trade Juwan Howard

[tinman]

Juwan has been like kryptonite to all the teams he's played on. He was suppose to compliment McGrady in Orlando!

I'd rather have Mo Taylor smokin some na-na-na on the court than Juwan! Maybe we can trade with the spurs to get Horry back!

[Willis25]

Originally posted by tinman
Juwan has been like kryptonite to all the teams he's played on. He was suppose to compliment McGrady in Orlando!

I'd rather have Mo Taylor smokin some na-na-na on the court than Juwan! Maybe we can trade with the spurs to get Horry back!

you need to watch a few NON-Rocket games before you make outrageous statements

Horry is washed up and Howard is MUCH better than him

- don't confuse an overrated, overpaid - but GOOD - player, with an UNDERrated, (now) jurneyman

For the past 5 years Horry only showed up in the playoffs - then two years ago (LA vs. SA) he even stopped showing up then. Now can't get off the bench

[Zacatecas]

I like Howard. He shoots something like 45 % averages 17 points and gets about 8 rebounds.

Those are good numbers for a PF. He shoots about 80% from the FT as well.


What don't you like about those numbers.

[Stack24]

Originally posted by tinman
Juwan has been like kryptonite to all the teams he's played on. He was suppose to compliment McGrady in Orlando!

I'd rather have Mo Taylor smokin some na-na-na on the court than Juwan! Maybe we can trade with the spurs to get Horry back!

actually Howard has always been a consistant player in the league. he is a better rebounder that taylor and really a bit of a better defender but not by much.

They only reason people didn't like howard was becuase he was making crazy amounts of money he didn't really deserve to get much like Cato got and we all flamed him. Howard is a great compliement to any team and with Taylor and Howard at the 4 we have instant offense, but we lack a bit off defense in both.

[Dallas Rocket]

Howard is tougher, a better defender, and a rebounder than MoT. He's also played with McGrady and will bring that knowledge and chemistry to the team. Mo is too one dimensional. Let's not be so quick to move Howard - he'll be a real asset to our interior game.

D R

[Davidoff]

I will love to see him play in the red and white. I think he can BUCK the bad trend here in H-town!!! BTW he has great numbers IMHO

[Willis25]

Originally posted by Dallas Rocket
Howard is tougher, a better defender, and a rebounder than MoT. He's also played with McGrady and will bring that knowledge and chemistry to the team. Mo is too one dimensional. Let's not be so quick to move Howard - he'll be a real asset to our interior game.

D R

I am glad to see I am not the only one on this board who actually follows other teams in the league - and doesn't just go for Rocket re-treads

[JING]

I think J. Howard is better than Mo.T. His mid range game can help Yao a lot. People can't left him open. He is not good for a primary low post presence, but I think he will do very well as compliment to Yao.

[crash5179]

I'm all for moving Howard if and only if it improves the team.

BTW, Howard was pretty valuable when he played for another Texas team that made it to the second round of the play offs.

[tinman]

Howard better than Horry??? You got to be kidding me. Look at the Record of the teams Horry has been on lately and look at Howard.

Lakers =3 championships
Rockets = 2 championships
Spurs = #3rd best record in the West

Wizards =suckage
Denver=suckage
Orlando=suckage

Horry will compliment Yao and Tracy with defense and three point shooting.
http://www.irobotmovie.com/images/imgbot.jpg

[rockergordon]

Howard could be very useful with Tmac and Yao drawing double teams. it will be good to have someone with a 10 foot jumper getting open looks.

One nice thing i saw in his stats is he doesn't even bother trying for three pointers.

Man, a lethal (at times) derek fisher or barry on the three point line would be fantastic.

[Willis25]

Originally posted by tinman
[B]Howard better than Horry??? You got to be kidding me. Look at the Record of the teams Horry has been on lately and look at Howard.

Lakers =3 championships
Rockets = 2 championships
Spurs = #3rd best record in the West

Wizards =suckage
Denver=suckage
Orlando=suckage

Horry will compliment Yao and Tracy with defense and three point shooting.


by that logic - Medvadenko must be better than Yao
PS - Horry has hit a 3 point shot since he launched that brick in the 2003 playoff (when he played for LA)

but I guess you missed that game since you clearly haven't seen a non-Rocket game

[tinman]

We need a Bo Outlaw player or Horry. A great role player and a PROVEN role player.

Not a proven loser. Throw this fish back in the ocean!

[tinman]

http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/columbia_pictures/bad_boys_ii/will_smith/bad.jpg

What you talking about Willis???

What about all the 3pointers that he made to save the Lakers and the Rockets. So he threw up some bricks as a Spur, thats because they didnt use him properly.

At least his Defense was still there. He can block shots. Juwan Howard can't block Earl Boykins.

[tinman]

From ESPN:


Juwan Howard: While McGrady is going to get his looks, Howard could very well be a statistical victim of Van Gundy's system. On an Orlando team starved for offense, Howard averaged 14.4 shots per game last season. That's two fewer shots than Francis averaged for the Rockets. Howard is going to shoot less for the Rockets, and considering he brings little else to the table from a fantasy perspective, that spells the end of his usefulness.http://games.espn.go.com/content/fba/2004/story?id=1831681

[Desert Scar]

Originally posted by tinman
Horry will compliment Yao and Tracy with defense and three point shooting.


Sounds like you are talking about the Horry fellow who played for the Rockets 10 years ago, not the Horry of the last 2 years who not only is at best an average defender but who can't hit an outside shot to save his life.

[jev5555]

good player with an f'd up shot...trade him now and make room for antonio mcdyess and brent barry.

[mfclark]

Howard, tough? No. He's a character guy, but not a tough player. And *definitely* not an enforcer.

Howard, chemistry with McGrady? Not really. McGrady was ticked the Magic were even going to sign him last offseason and they never meshed. Not enough shots for the two of them.

Howard's an improvement over Taylor, but a marginal one at best. And don't expect to get a heck of a lot out of him in a trade, either, with 5 years left on his deal.

[tinman]

I'd rather have Brian Skinner or Wang ZhiZhi

[tinman]

:mad:

Id rather trade him for Vin Baker and a bottle of Rum!

[m_cable]

Originally posted by tinman
From ESPN:


Juwan Howard: While McGrady is going to get his looks, Howard could very well be a statistical victim of Van Gundy's system. On an Orlando team starved for offense, Howard averaged 14.4 shots per game last season. That's two fewer shots than Francis averaged for the Rockets. Howard is going to shoot less for the Rockets, and considering he brings little else to the table from a fantasy perspective, that spells the end of his usefulness.http://games.espn.go.com/content/fba/2004/story?id=1831681

That's the fantasy spin. In terms of complimenting the team and winning games, I think Howard will fit the bill.

[Batman Jones]

Originally posted by Desert Scar
Sounds like you are talking about the Horry fellow who played for the Rockets 10 years ago, not the Horry of the last 2 years who not only is at best an average defender but who can't hit an outside shot to save his life.

tinman is totally obsessed with the role players from the champ years. If he had his way Max, Kenny, Bob and Carl'd be starting for us next year.

[Rox225]

Originally posted by tinman
Howard better than Horry??? You got to be kidding me. Look at the Record of the teams Horry has been on lately and look at Howard.

Lakers =3 championships
Rockets = 2 championships
Spurs = #3rd best record in the West

Wizards =suckage
Denver=suckage
Orlando=suckage

Horry will compliment Yao and Tracy with defense and three point shooting.
http://www.irobotmovie.com/images/imgbot.jpg

This is the worse kind of logic to warrant trading a player. Just look at the organizations that Howard has been with and then compare those to the one's Horry has had the honor to be with. I'm sure Juwan Howard is the one to blame for incompetent management in Washington, Denver, and Orlando. The only fault Juwan has is that he was unable to live up to the hype that followed him out of college. Oh, and he did play for Dallas, and was quite serviceable to them. Give me a break tinman :rolleyes:

[Hmm]

Originally posted by Batman Jones
tinman is totally obsessed with the role players from the champ years. If he had his way Max, Kenny, Bob and Carl'd be starting for us next year.

Yep, no one mind tinman. Ever since he snapped with his bring back Vernon Maxwell thread. His poor mind has been stuck in the mid nighties. Hopefully he'll realize he needs help, and get some treatment. Who knows, T-mac and Yao just might be the prescription. Or maybe his mind is just too far gone. We can only hope tinman regains his sanity as soon as possible :(

In the meantime, however.
Just read on through his threads, and don't make eye contact.
Should be fine.
:)

[douglasreedy1]

he is a better rebounder that taylor and really a bit of a better defender but not by much.
I thought the same thing, but after looking at their stats per 48 minutes, and say what you will about stats, if Howard is a better rebounder than Taylor, it's by a very small margin. So we've basically got about as close the same player as you can get. If we were going to keep one, I'd rather it be Taylor, cuz for whatever reason I think we'd get more in a trade for Howard.

[thadeus]

Originally posted by tinman
:mad:

Id rather trade him for Vin Baker and a bottle of Rum!

...better not let them sit next to each other on the plane.

[MManal]

Originally posted by crash5179

BTW, Howard was pretty valuable when he played for another Texas team that made it to the second round of the play offs.

I was going to mention this as well. Juwan Howard was very effective when he was in a winning situation in Dallas. I think he will be a pleasant surprise when playing on this team. As far as Im concerned, the Rockets should be a better offensive team than last season as they will have three very consistent offensive options in Yao, T-Mac and Howard. T-Mac and Howard combined should put up much better offensive numbers on a consistent basis than Francis and Mobley did last season. Add to that Yao quite possibly becoming a consistent 20 plus PPG scorer next season and this team should improve drastically.

[Willis25]

Originally posted by tinman
http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/columbia_pictures/bad_boys_ii/will_smith/bad.jpg

What you talking about Willis???

What about all the 3pointers that he made to save the Lakers and the Rockets. So he threw up some bricks as a Spur, thats because they didnt use him properly.

At least his Defense was still there. He can block shots. Juwan Howard can't block Earl Boykins.

what are YOU talking about... Horry started missing 3's when he was playing for the Lakers - he couldn't hit the big shots and they lost to SA TWO YEARS AGO

[KingCheetah]

We should keep Howard he could be a nice fit in Houston.

[Willis25]

Originally posted by tinman
From ESPN:


Juwan Howard: While McGrady is going to get his looks, Howard could very well be a statistical victim of Van Gundy's system. On an Orlando team starved for offense, Howard averaged 14.4 shots per game last season. That's two fewer shots than Francis averaged for the Rockets. Howard is going to shoot less for the Rockets, and considering he brings little else to the table from a fantasy perspective, that spells the end of his usefulness.

look - you do NOT want to get me in a battle over fantasy basketball - fantasy value does NOT equal real value - let me put it to you this way... Tayshun Prince was a fantasy bust last year, but he was instrumental in the Pistons championship.... on the other hand Stephen Jackson was a top 25 player... but the Hawks are the worst team in the league


hollow stats are hollow stats - Howard is better player and HORRY was useless last year... USELESS !!!

PS - don't try to upstage me in pictures either... !

http://www.wakeboardcamp.com/images/dork-sphere.gif
tinman sez Horry RAWKS !

[Stack24]

I really think we are going to keep howard and either get rid of Mo in the off season or sometime during the middle of the season just becuase of his contract.

[Aruba77]

I doubt anyone takes on Mo's contract, and I have more faith that Mo's best bball days are ahead of him than J Howard. There's only 1 million that separates there contracts. I think we should ship Howard out because at least Spoon rebounds, and Mo picks up the offensive slack. We can add someone else through other methods.

[robbarnett]

I think we should keep howard, if you check out his stats he is pretty consistent. Given his age I think that He and Mo T can probably share the load between them and we can continue to have Mo comming in off the bench

[dharocks]

Howard played decently for a loaded Dallas team a few years back... He could easily average around 13ppg and 7rpg with the Rockets.

He can be an enforcer. In a playoff series with San Antonio he gave Derek Anderson a shoulder seperation from a hard foul and knocked the crap outta Malik Rose.

[DavidS]

Originally posted by tinman
Howard better than Horry??? You got to be kidding me. Look at the Record of the teams Horry has been on lately and look at Howard.

Lakers =3 championships
Rockets = 2 championships
Spurs = #3rd best record in the West

Wizards =suckage
Denver=suckage
Orlando=suckage

Horry will compliment Yao and Tracy with defense and three point shooting.


Horry is a smart, defensive specialist and clutch spot-up shooter. He's a good guy coming off the bench. But not a starting PF. No way! Horry has almost NO post game. Also, the Wizards, Denver and Orlando didn't suck just because Howard was on them. They had more problems than just Howard.

What? You think that Horry would make the Wizards, Denver and Orlando championship teams. Please.... think you forget about guys like Shaq, Hakeem and Duncan. Those are the guys that carried the Lakers, Rockets and Spurs. Not Horry....he just played off of those leaders. Like I said. He'd be a good bench player. But that's it.

[tinman]

Originally posted by Batman Jones
tinman is totally obsessed with the role players from the champ years. If he had his way Max, Kenny, Bob and Carl'd be starting for us next year.


Lets not forget Cassell elevated The TWolves to the Western Conference Series.

Juwan Howard, for a guy who makes more money than Kobe/Shaq/Jordan/Bill Gates at one point, REALLY REALLY Sucks.

Oh what were you babling about in Dallas? Dude got traded so EDJAUDO NARYAAYA could get more minutes.

Juwan Howard got dumped in Denver for Nene, dumped in Orlando for Dwight Gooden and Goofy from Disney Land.

Juwan Howard is the most overrated player of ALL TIME. He makes Felipe Lopez live up to the hype.

we need a PF that plays strong defense, like Horry.
http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/wild_wild_west/will_smith/www3.jpg

[DavidS]

Originally posted by tinman
Lets not forget Cassell elevated The TWolves to the Western Conference Series.



Cassell is a bonafied "bad-ass" that can carry a team on his shoulders. Horry is not. He's a good bench player.

I'm not going to defend Howards OLD $115 MIL contract. But that has expried if I'm not mistaken.

[r-fan-since-81]

Who is not going to be at The Toyota Center tomorrow........... Howard?

Who is going to get traded tomorrow...................Howard?







A little birdie told me.:eek:

[Stack24]

Originally posted by r-fan-since-81
Who is not going to be at The Toyota Center tomorrow........... Howard?

Who is going to get traded tomorrow...................Howard?







A little birdie told me.:eek:

Lol actually they stated that on 610 that he wasn't able to make it to Houston on such short notice, and also you can't trade a player you just traded for without waiting for like 60 days.

[mos-def]

j-how not an enforcer?

you guys really need to watch some basketball. howard puts up decent numbers and will lay the pipe to some fools. he will be great with mo-t commin off the bench.

spoon or padgett are probably more expendable.

[Stack24]

Originally posted by mos-def
j-how not an enforcer?

you guys really need to watch some basketball. howard puts up decent numbers and will lay the pipe to some fools. he will be great with mo-t commin off the bench.

spoon or padgett are probably more expendable.

With both players we are going to have a nice instant offense help at the 4. We will still lack defensive presence unless howard gets better at helping on the weakside which we really need.

Through out his career he hasn't done much of that but that doesn't mean he can't change. Mo is not going to play defense and we know that so we can use him off the bench to score points when Howard might not be.

[rcketsfan1]

I cant believe anyone would be criticizing robert horry. he is among the clutchest players in the history of the nba.

[SHANK]

Is there any way we can ship Howard to Chicago + part of our TE for one of their excessive PG's Hinrich or Crawford plus JYD? Then we can use or MLE to sign an average PF/C like Booth to back up MoT. I just think Chicago is the one team that will deal with us for Howard, if we so choose to go in that direction.

[tinman]

Horry had to D up Karl Malone, Tim Duncan, KG, Barkley etc
He's the original Tashan PRINCE of Bellair.
His length and shot blocking has given other PF trouble.

With Tmac/Yao/Horry we have 3 shot blockers.

[silent j]

Originally posted by Stack24
Lol actually they stated that on 610 that he wasn't able to make it to Houston on such short notice, and also you can't trade a player you just traded for without waiting for like 60 days.
You can if you say it was part of a three way trade. I can't think of any instances off the top of my head, but it has happened before where "the rest of the trade" was announced a day or 2 later.
j

[silent j]

Originally posted by SHANK
Is there any way we can ship Howard to Chicago + part of our TE for one of their excessive PG's Hinrich or Crawford plus JYD? Then we can use or MLE to sign an average PF/C like Booth to back up MoT. I just think Chicago is the one team that will deal with us for Howard, if we so choose to go in that direction.
In other threads it was established you can't combine the TE with a player in a trade. Also Crawford is a free agent, I beleive, and there is no way Chicago is going to trade Hinrich for anyone we have left on our team.
j

[JBIIRockets]

Originally posted by Willis25
you need to watch a few NON-Rocket games before you make outrageous statements

Horry is washed up and Howard is MUCH better than him

- don't confuse an overrated, overpaid - but GOOD - player, with an UNDERrated, (now) jurneyman

For the past 5 years Horry only showed up in the playoffs - then two years ago (LA vs. SA) he even stopped showing up then. Now can't get off the bench

Outrageous statements?? You're the one making them Willis25. Unbelievable. Perhaps you need to watch more Non-Rocket games.

To say Howard is much better than Horry is downright stupid. Howard does some things better than Horry, and Horry does some things better than Howard.

Kind of ironic that your moniker is Willis, a player that is the king of playing on teams where he was the Kryptonite on them. So no wonder why you like Juwan Howard. (And dont bother bringing up Willis being on the 2003 champion Spurs, he played around 70 total minutes in the playoffs, and when Willis had his big minute games in the Spurs 2003 run, the Spurs lost the majority of those games. and in the game the Spurs won, Willis was only playing in garbage time)

[Raven]

Howard and Taylor both have offense, but not much defense.

What they bring to the team is very similar, and this is the problem, since both have bad contracts.

If the Rockets find the hard nosed big man, they've needed for years, then there won't be enough minutes for both Taylor and Howard.

Solution.

Trade one of them for the hard nosed big man.

Are their any thugs out there with contracts as bad as Taylors?

[ty185]

Originally posted by Raven


Trade one of them for the hard nosed big man.

Are their any thugs out there with contracts as bad as Taylors?

hmm... I think shaq's contract is pretty bad... :D

[H-Town Info]

can we trade howard or taylor for pj brown

pj brown is the PERFECT fit for yao

[haven]

Originally posted by H-Town Info
can we trade howard or taylor for pj brown

pj brown is the PERFECT fit for yao

No, because PJ Brown presents the same problem as Kelvin Cato. He allows the opposing 4 to collapse upon Yao. The 4 opposite Yao needs to be able to hit the midrange jumper.

[slcrocket]

Originally posted by Hmm
Yep, no one mind tinman...His poor mind has been stuck in the mid nighties.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :cool:

[Murfdogg21]

Is Seattle still interested in Mo? Maybe we can do a sign'n'trade for Barry + Rashard (?) for Mo + TE. It seems excessive to have Howard and Mo, since they have very similar games.

[Sane]

The solution is to get rid of one of them and sign McDyess.


Right now, I'd rather trade Howard because, apparently, MoT has been working VERY hard on his game this summer. Just like last summer. If he's really working hard on improving his body to the point where he shaves off all the baby fat and adds some strength/muscle, he could very well be worth his contract.


I think Juwan Howard could find a home somewhere. How about we send him to the Sonics for Calvin Booth and their draft pick next year?

Eddie Griffin would be nice too if he's actually better built and stronger (muscle) than before.

I'm very excited about next year. I'm extremely happy with a Yao/MoT/JJ/T-Mac nucleus. We could add Eric Snow, but I'd much rather add a Brent Barry - that teams needs better shooting.

[blazer_ben]

If Juwan Can give us a Solid Low post Target and gets 15 points a game about 8 boards to with that, I'll be ecstatic!. Anything above that is additional Bonus!

[Raven]

Howard, Taylor, and Spoon will be almost impossible to trade, so we better get use to seeing them in a Rockets uniform.

The only way those guys get traded is if the Rox take a bad contract in return.

[hooroo]

Article (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/100-06302004-324515.html)

Snow in Houston's forecast?
By TOM MOORE

Could it be that Tuesday's blockbuster trade involving Tracy McGrady and Steve Francis might have a direct effect on the Sixers?

With Houston looking for a point guard to get the ball to McGrady and Yao Ming, and coach Jeff Van Gundy known to be a fan of Eric Snow, perhaps the Sixers and Rockets could work something out.

Sixers president Billy King denied Tuesday night that he has had any conversations with Houston about Snow.

Snow's four-year, $25.6 million contract extension is set to kick in after he earns $4.875 million next season.

The Rocket with the closest salary to Snow is Juwan Howard, who was part of Tuesday's trade. Howard is making $5.4 million with at least three more guaranteed years after that, followed by a player option for a fourth in 2008-09.

One possibility would be to get a third team involved. Last February, there were discussions about Snow going to Orlando, Howard to Minnesota and Michael Olowokandi to the Sixers.

King can begin negotiating with free agents on Thursday, although they cannot sign until July 14.

The Sixers are believed to have serious interest in Celtics center Mark Blount, who played for Sixers coach Jim O'Brien in Boston. Blount, 28, could command the entire $5 million mid-level exception.

In addition to the Sixers, the Heat are among those intrigued by the 7-foot Blount. Miami has advantages over the Sixers in that it has a more talented roster, and Blount resides in South Florida.

Etan Thomas, who is a restricted free agent, is another big man likely to receive plenty of attention from numerous teams, including the Sixers.

In other Sixers' news, the team is planning a rookie/free agent camp Friday through Monday prior to participating in the Minneapolis Summer League. First-round pick Andre Iguodala heads the list of attendees.

[Willis25]

Originally posted by JBIIRockets
Outrageous statements?? You're the one making them Willis25. Unbelievable. Perhaps you need to watch more Non-Rocket games.

To say Howard is much better than Horry is downright stupid. Howard does some things better than Horry, and Horry does some things better than Howard.

Kind of ironic that your moniker is Willis, a player that is the king of playing on teams where he was the Kryptonite on them. So no wonder why you like Juwan Howard. (And dont bother bringing up Willis being on the 2003 champion Spurs, he played around 70 total minutes in the playoffs, and when Willis had his big minute games in the Spurs 2003 run, the Spurs lost the majority of those games. and in the game the Spurs won, Willis was only playing in garbage time)

just because have a high enough basketball IQ to know that Howard is better than washed up Robert Horry does not make is a Howard fan - I actually don't care for the guy, but he will be a nice 3rd or 4th option

first off - Howard is better than Horry... deal with it. In 2003-2004 Howard played 35 minutes, scored 17 points and grabbed 7 rebounds. Horry ONLY played 15 mins scored less than FIVE points a game and grabbed 3 rebounds... looks like HOWARD is better

and as for trying to dis my name, it has nothing to do with Kevin Willis or even Willis Reed...

I won't tell you, but I will give you a hint...

http://www.verybigdesign.com/verybigblog/blog/vote-for-gary.gif

[blazer_ben]

Howard for Snow? i'll do it!. Use the TE and MLE to Sign a Descent Big man like Etan Thomas or keon clark, and Send Pike For Ollie!



C:Yao

PF:Etan Thomas

SF:JJ

SG:T-MAC

PG:Snow


Bench


Boki

Ollie

Gaines

spoon

MOT

keon Clark

[Ying Yang]

Originally posted by tinman
We need a Bo Outlaw player or Horry. A great role player and a PROVEN role player.

Not a proven loser. Throw this fish back in the ocean!
These players are well past their prime, we need a player that can grow with this young developing team, not a has been.

[ROXTXIA]

Juwan Howard would be a good addition to this team. But we already have Mo and Weatherspoon to fill the PF spot. We could slide them over as backup centers, but I don't like the idea of Mo/JHoward at the 5; and what if Yao goes down for any significant period of time? (Hope that's not a self-fulfilling prophecy. Let me change that: YAO will NEVER miss a game!)

Still, Howard was coveted by other teams before (inexplicably) signing with Orlando. Maybe he preferred the weather there to Minnesota's? Because the T-wolves were looking to acquire him and used that money instead on Kandi-man.

We need a point guard, a backup center, we might need to think a little about the small forward slot. And Howard might play into that. He can be traded now if he's the only player we trade away; otherwise, gotta wait til nearly September.

[Willis25]

Originally posted by ROXTXIA
Still, Howard was coveted by other teams before (inexplicably) signing with Orlando. Maybe he preferred the weather there to Minnesota's? Because the T-wolves were looking to acquire him and used that money instead on Kandi-man.



Orlando was a playoff team the year before Howard signed - the problem was they signed Howard to be the second option, then let all their other role players (like Darrell Armstrong) go. I think the problem with Howard is that teams signed him to be the MAN... he is not, he is a third option. Not a first, not a second. He just happens to have earned franchise player money his whole career (probably why his teams have tanked... him draining all the payroll)

[HillBoy]

Originally posted by Dallas Rocket
Howard is tougher, a better defender, and a rebounder than MoT. He's also played with McGrady and will bring that knowledge and chemistry to the team. Mo is too one dimensional. Let's not be so quick to move Howard - he'll be a real asset to our interior game.
D R
That's a little on the strong side. He's all of those things when compared to MoT but only in a marginal sense. He OK but not the answer at the 4. He's definitely not a starter as he'll be eaten alive by Dirk, KG, Tim and the other PFs but he makes too much money to come off the bench (sound familiar?).

Having watched him at Washington, Denver, Dallas and Orlando, I confess that I just don't consider him to be much of an asset and if they can move him for a PG then by all means do it.

[aghast]

Which power forwards don't get eaten alive by Dirk, KG, and Duncan? I think pining for a Brand or Dirk/KG/Duncan quality player may be overkill; T-Mac and Yao fulfill our superstar quotient. And most of the available, cheap lockdown defenders and rebounders can't hit an open jumpshot, which is a necessity for a 4 playing off of Yao (see last year: Cato). Howard is a solid starting power forward in the NBA: not much more, not much less. He has the albatross Bullet/Wizard contract off his neck, and is signed to a reasonable enough deal for a solid starting power forward in the NBA. It's MoT's contract that's inflated.

And Tinman: Robert Horry hasn't made a good movie since Six Degrees of Separation (and even that was because of the two superstars on that team: Channing and Sutherland). He made some clutch shots in the playoffs, true, but even he admitted he took the regular seasons off.

[barbourdg]

I thought if you did not re-trade a person in a 2-3 day window, that you have to wait 60 days?

[tinman]

We can trade Juwan Howard the Duck to the Bucks for :

the Bucks:
Toni Kukoc, Brian Skinner.

Hornets:
Stacy Augman, Tractor Traylor.

Mavericks:
Travis Best, Scott Williams

Spurs:
Horry, Kevin Willis

[Bogey]

Originally posted by tinman
We can trade Juwan Howard the Duck to the Bucks for :

the Bucks:
Toni Kukoc, Brian Skinner.

Hornets:
Stacy Augman, Tractor Traylor.

Mavericks:
Travis Best, Scott Williams

Spurs:
Horry, Kevin Willis

Although Skinner might be interesting, we get worse by all these trades.

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Originally posted by Batman Jones
tinman is totally obsessed with the role players from the champ years. If he had his way Max, Kenny, Bob and Carl'd be starting for us next year.

What about Scottie?