ESPN: Shaq rips Kobe

[AGBee]

Shaq knew he'd be shown the door (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?id=1824721)

I like these quotes:

"See, with me and Karl and Gary and a lot of other guys, you can say something and it doesn't matter how you say it. They don't take it the wrong way. For example, I can say, 'Come on, Devean, mother------, play hard.' I can say that to Karl. But a sensitive guy will take that very sensitively."

Like Kobe?

"Like Kobe."

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"A lot of these guys now think if you score points and if you do all that sh-- around the basket, you're a great player. And that's not true basketball, and that's not the type of basketball I know how to play. If you've got a guy open, hit him. I may miss a guy once or twice, but I'm not gonna miss you three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 times. I could score 40 every night. If I shot the mother------ all the time. "

[vunny1408]

I sorta agree with Shaq on this point. Kobe dribbles dribbles and dribbles and several times when his teammates are open he doesn't pass it to them. He also wants to be the hero all the time with his big ego so several times he'll try for a gamewinner when someone else is wide open. Selfish ballplayer.

[sup123]

i dont like the part about shaq going to orlando. :mad:

[Raven]

SO, KB, KM, GP, and PJ all have huge egos. They deserve each other.

And you can bet that SO and TM have worked this out in advance.

[RocketsPimp]

I understand why the Lakers would want to keep the younger guy around, but like Shaq's chances without Kobe moreso than Kobe without Shaq.

[DaDakota]

Shaq is on the downside of his career, he is fat, out of shape, and unmotivate...

No way I want that guy on my team.

DD

[RocketsPimp]

Originally posted by DaDakota
Shaq is on the downside of his career, he is fat, out of shape, and unmotivate...

No way I want that guy on my team.

DD

OK Kobekota.

I'll take the fat, out of shape, and unmotivated guy that averaged 26.6ppg, 10.8rpg while shooting 63% from the field in 42.6mpg to your lean, athletic, hyper-motivated 22.6ppg, 2.8rpg and 38% from the field in 46.2mpg in the Finals every day of the week.......at least up until he's about 36.

:D

[emjohn]

All I can say is this is AWESOME. When was the last time we had serious drama leading to a potential redistribution of power in the NBA?

Way to take the most exciting playoffs in a while and extend it into an exciting offseason!!!

Evan

[emjohn]

Originally posted by DaDakota
Shaq is on the downside of his career, he is fat, out of shape, and unmotivate...
I'll wager he'll be plenty motivated come November.....

[nWo34Life]

Originally posted by DaDakota
Shaq is on the downside of his career, he is fat, out of shape, and unmotivate...

No way I want that guy on my team.

DD

I would love to have Yao and Shaq on the frontline. Even if he is fat, out of shape, and unmotivated. Would you stand in the way of a 7" 300+ bringing the backboard down? :D

[University Blue]

He was unfaithful to his wife, may have sexually assaulted a young woman; but LA would not have been to the Finals three of the last fours years without Bryant's heroics.

For O'Neal to "call out" Bryant for being sensitive is unfortunate. For all the **** O'Neal puts out in the press about teammates and management, he needs to assume some responsibility for the team's failures: beginning with creating a hostile work environment.


University (Blue Kryptonite)

[ivanyy2000]

Originally posted by nWo34Life
I would love to have Yao and Shaq on the frontline. Even if he is fat, out of shape, and unmotivated. Would you stand in the way of a 7" 300+ bringing the backboard down? :D


Assume either Yao or Shaq can defend perimeter and play PF position (no way in reality), are you sure you want Shaq "Pay Me" O'neil take 30M contract for the next 3-4 years?

Oh, forget to mention, Shaq need vacation too, say 20+ games DURING the season. In the end, you could trade the whole team away to get a fatty who is paid highest salary in the league but only play 2/3 the season, and no championship guaranteed. Enjoy!

[Mr. Clutch]

Originally posted by DaDakota
Shaq is on the downside of his career, he is fat, out of shape, and unmotivate...

No way I want that guy on my team.

DD


And yet Shaq was still one of the Top 3 players in the game this year. What happens when he DOES get motivated? MDE. And there's no way the Lakers would have made the Finals without Shaq.

I also agree with Shaq on Kobe's character. It's not good. He is not a leader, and he is not liked by his teammates. The Lakers should think twice about making Kobe their "chosen one."

[ivanyy2000]

Originally posted by Mr. Clutch
And yet Shaq was still one of the Top 3 players in the game this year. What happens when he DOES get motivated? MDE. And there's no way the Lakers would have made the Finals without Shaq.

I also agree with Shaq on Kobe's character. It's not good. He is not a leader, and he is not liked by his teammates. The Lakers should think twice about making Kobe their "chosen one."

If I am the Lakers' GM, I might do the same thing.

Two years in a row, it has been proved a team with Shaq and Kobe is not enough. You have to have solid younger role players and deep bench.

If Shaq stays, Kobe will definitely leave. And then if Shaq gets his extension, he will single-handly take away 3/4 of Lakers cap room, for that amount of money, it is very hard to rebuild a solid team around him.

Furthermore, his number declines every year, he need 10-20 games' vacation every season, he lost championship last year and he didn't get motivated (this year is his worst career season). Why you think he will suddenly get motivated if he stays and kobe leaves?

Talking about a leader, does Shaq act like one? KG took a huge paycut to accomodate team's plan for winning, Shaq yelled "pay me" at his boss during a preseason game, what kind of leader is that? He is so selfish.

Trading Shaq is a smart decision if you want a long term solution, it is different as Magic traded him 8 years ago. I am glad Buss has some courage and vision to trade Shaq.

[Mr. Clutch]

Ivanyy2000 , from a basketball standpoint, keeping Kobe over Shaq probably is the right decision. Even Shaq understands that. Kobe is only 25 and getting better. But if the Lakers think that Kobe can definitely carry the team as well as Shaq did, they should think again.

Shaq is not your typical great leader, but he does play a lot less selfishly than Kobe and commands the respect of his teammates. Nobody would get into a stupid fight with Shaq over who should get the ball (except Kobe of course).

[loadedAballer]

Despite their dysfunctionality, they were one of the few teams who could turn it on in the post season as evident by their three titles.

Shaq's and Kobe's egos have to be the size of Mt Rushmore b/c despite their immense talents, they clearly disliked each other.

Kobe will or will not mature, time will tell. At least, he'll know what's it like to be the focal point of opposing team's defences and no big man to take the pressure off if Shaq is not a Laker next season.

As for Shaq, he's got the rings to validate his career so judging by his comments, he's after more money period.

I can see Dallas putting a package together.

[4chuckie]

Originally posted by University Blue
For O'Neal to "call out" Bryant for being sensitive is unfortunate. For all the **** O'Neal puts out in the press about teammates and management, he needs to assume some responsibility for the team's failures: beginning with creating a hostile work environment.


Shaq should have every right to call Kobe out. Remember early this year when Kobe call Shaq fat and said he faked injuries. Shaq kept his mouth shut to help out the team (and to keep a promise to Malone and Payton).
So it' snot like Shaq is casting the 1st stone here.

[wayne312]

damn i really start to like the big,fat guy. It's not in my YOF's logical system but i really would take the present SO over Yao if given the chance. Damn the offseason what am I thinking?

[Fegwu]

Originally posted by emjohn
All I can say is this is AWESOME. When was the last time we had serious drama leading to a potential redistribution of power in the NBA?

Way to take the most exciting playoffs in a while and extend it into an exciting offseason!!!

Evan


You can say that again.

This off-season is going to be fun.

Now the word breaking news would actually make me stop whatever I am doing (i.e. on sports show - TV or Radio).

[YaoMing#1]

shaq is about to take over the league lik he did a couple of years ago, this seson is gonna be over before it starts. shaqs been waiting for 2-3 years to show he can win a ring without kobe and know is his time to do it and i bet he does.

[YaoMing#1]

shaq is about to take over the league lik he did a couple of years ago, this seson is gonna be over before it starts. shaqs been waiting for 2-3 years to show he can win a ring without kobe and now is his time to do it and i bet he does.

[ivanyy2000]

Originally posted by YaoMing#1
shaq is about to take over the league lik he did a couple of years ago, this seson is gonna be over before it starts. shaqs been waiting for 2-3 years to show he can win a ring without kobe and know is his time to do it and i bet he does.

Yeah, remember last year when Lakers lost NBA titles and we all agree Shaq wound get motivated and keep in shape before new season started.

Guess what? It didn't happen.

[vunny1408]

I agree that next season, with Shaq on a new team..he will again dominate the league. He took at back seat to Malone , Payton & Bryant this year and saw his scoring average drop to 20+ppg. However, he picked up his pace in the playoffs & finals.

A motivated Shaq? I bet he'll come back with vengeance next season to average better than 25+ppg. He'll be MDE once again, turn a crappy team around and make another Penny & Kobe wannabe into a super star.

[BiGGieStuFF]

Actually Shaq was in shape earlier this season but with his aggravated injuries he had to take that time off and gained some weight back.

[lancet]

Shaq maybe in decline, but he still has at least 3-4 good years left, which is eternality in NBA. The playoff clearly shows. No team except Houston could stop/slow down Shaq.

Dallas could be immedidate contenders with Shaq in the middle. Everybody in that team can simply shoot (except Walker). Cuban got a big wallet for Shaq's fat contract demands. But I doubt it Lakers will ever trade Shaq to a western conference team.

[Easy]

I hate anyone who rips his teammates or coach in public, no matter how true it is. Kobe is guilty on this too.

BTW, since Shaq refuses to cut his pay, he will end up with a team of scrubs. He has no desire to win anymore. All he wants is a team who is willing to pay his asking price.

[4chuckie]

Originally posted by Easy
BTW, since Shaq refuses to cut his pay, he will end up with a team of scrubs. He has no desire to win anymore. All he wants is a team who is willing to pay his asking price.

Well we don't know of Shaq will take a salary cut to goto another team. He knows if he taks a salary cut what happens to the money, it goes straight to Kobe.

Personally I would't be surprised to see Shaq re-structure for another team but he won't do it for LA because he knows if he lowers his comp for $23-30M/year the next 2 yearts to $18 that all that money goes straight to Kobe.

[RocketsPimp]

Originally posted by Easy
BTW, since Shaq refuses to cut his pay, he will end up with a team of scrubs. He has no desire to win anymore. All he wants is a team who is willing to pay his asking price.

No desire to win?! In the Finals he led the Lakers in ppg, rpg and fg% while still not getting the ball as much as he should have. Shaq wanted to win more than any guy not named Malone or Payton.

[Shooter1583]

Not really surprised...Kobe seems like a sensitive type but he pretty much lost them the series...he had HORRENDOUS shot selection and I was just surprised at his play...it was like he had never been in the Finals before...

[GATER]

Originally posted by 4chuckie
Well we don't know of Shaq will take a salary cut to goto another team. He knows if he taks a salary cut what happens to the money, it goes straight to Kobe.

Personally I would't be surprised to see Shaq re-structure for another team but he won't do it for LA because he knows if he lowers his comp for $23-30M/year the next 2 yearts to $18 that all that money goes straight to Kobe.

I'm not sure what you mean by "restructure". The CBA forbids Shaq to lower the amount of money he makes in any one year. Notice I said makes and not takes. He can agree to push his income out into the future but that does not alter his contract's cap hit.

[HAYJON02]

I keep checking back with this thread to read Kobe's response. Please Kobe, be consistant and whine.

[jello77]

let me tell you guys the kind of person shaq is from first hand experience.

one of my fathers friends is a carpenter/artist. he makes statures and works like that out of spoons, forks and knives and it looks really cool. keep in mind this guy does not have a whole lot of money. anyways, i guess shaq saw some of his work and was like thats pretty cool, so he hires my dads friend, for about $10,000, to make a lifesize "superman shaq" figure. they both agree on this, and my dads friends sets to work on it.

after like three months of working on it, of dropping all other projects and working on it, it's finally done, and shaq goes "i think you should just give it to me. youll get so much publicity after people know that i have bought a statue from you that you will make a lot more money, so i dont think i have to pay you". my fathers friend, of course was like "i just worked my damn ass off for three months for you because you were going to pay me $10,000 now give me my money". shaq just shrugged, said he didnt want it then and walked off. this guy cannot afford a lawyer or anything to sue, so he just lost three months of his life and a boatload of money. he doesnt have a lot of money, and shaq is making $27 million a year. its disgusting.

moral of the story: shaq is a big, fat, jerkoff asshole.

[olliez]

Originally posted by jello77
let me tell you guys the kind of person shaq is from first hand experience.

one .........snip.............

moral of the story: shaq is a big, fat, jerkoff asshole.

Wow, so my impression of Shaq is right: a fat prick !

Should have known this when he balted to LA....

:eek:

[DaDakota]

I just don't want a lazy player on the Rockets.

And Shaq fits the bill.

For the record...I don't want Kobe either.

DD

[Uprising]

Yeah, I don't want that fat lazy ass.

Seriously, wasn't he faking an injury early in the season because he thinks the regular season doesn't count, it's the playoffs that do.

[Rocket River]

Originally posted by jello77
let me tell you guys the kind of person shaq is from first hand experience.

one of my fathers friends is a carpenter/artist. he makes statures and works like that out of spoons, forks and knives and it looks really cool. keep in mind this guy does not have a whole lot of money. anyways, i guess shaq saw some of his work and was like thats pretty cool, so he hires my dads friend, for about $10,000, to make a lifesize "superman shaq" figure. they both agree on this, and my dads friends sets to work on it.

after like three months of working on it, of dropping all other projects and working on it, it's finally done, and shaq goes "i think you should just give it to me. youll get so much publicity after people know that i have bought a statue from you that you will make a lot more money, so i dont think i have to pay you". my fathers friend, of course was like "i just worked my damn ass off for three months for you because you were going to pay me $10,000 now give me my money". shaq just shrugged, said he didnt want it then and walked off. this guy cannot afford a lawyer or anything to sue, so he just lost three months of his life and a boatload of money. he doesnt have a lot of money, and shaq is making $27 million a year. its disgusting.

moral of the story: shaq is a big, fat, jerkoff asshole.

so you saw the whole Shrugging off conversation?

interesting

this is about the 1st time something like this came out about shaq
not saying u lying. . . just that this is the 1st real negative
jerky thing
i gotten about shaq

Rocket River

[DaDakota]

Shaq was doing a motion capture shoot with one of my lead animators on NBA Jam.

My guy bet he could not make 6 out of 10 Free throws while they were moving the camera.

Shaq only made 3, and then refused to pay the $40 bet.

DD

[Kim]

I'll pay 50 bucks for the life sized shaq sculpture.

Ah, why don't you just give it to me. I'll tell everyone where I got it from and the publicity will pay itself off.

[jello77]

Originally posted by Kim
I'll pay 50 bucks for the life sized shaq sculpture.

Ah, why don't you just give it to me. I'll tell everyone where I got it from and the publicity will pay itself off.

exactly.

dada, it's not suprising that i hear that. i just cant believe a guy with so much money is so stingy with cash. and such an ass as well. ever since he pulled that stunt with my dad's friend, i cringe everytime someone says 'it's hard to hate shaq'. it's very, very easy to, since he's a big prick.

[Der Rabbi]

Originally posted by Rocket River
. . . just that this is the 1st real negative
jerky thing
i gotten about shaq

WEll there was that story reported on in the media about him pinning that woman to a wall after she rebufed his flirtations at Disneyland. It was well reported & I saw/heard/read it in mutlitple media sources.

[JuanValdez]

Does Shaq have 6 fingers on his right hand? :)

[DaDakota]

Originally posted by JuanValdez
Does Shaq have 6 fingers on his right hand? :)

"You killed my father, now prepare to die !"

:)

DD

[Easy]

Originally posted by RocketsPimp
No desire to win?! In the Finals he led the Lakers in ppg, rpg and fg% while still not getting the ball as much as he should have. Shaq wanted to win more than any guy not named Malone or Payton.

I'm not talking about how he plays on the court. Competitive players always want to win when they play, even if it's a pickup game on the playground. I'm not talking about his competiveness in game.

I'm talking about his putting money over winning. By demanding 2/3 of the cap space for any team, he's in effect asking to play on a team full of scrubs because there aren't any money left for the team to pay any other good players.

Whichever team he gets traded to will be left with very little talent because they have to match his huge contract. And after he retires from that team in a few years, they are going to be stuck in the lottery for a long time.