Will You Do this Trade? (With Portland)

[dragonsnake]

Houston Trade:
Cato, Cat, Piatkowsky, TE+ 2005 First Round to Portland for
SAS+ Darek Anderson+2nd Round

We then use our MLE to sign:
Brian Skinner or Corey Blount or Chris Mihm Or Dice and D Jones.

New Houston Lines Up
PG: Steve Franchise, D Jones (DA can handle some PG job when needed)
SG: JJ, DA
SF: DA, Nachbar
PF: SAR, Mot, Spoon
C: Yao, Corey Blount or Brian Skinner or Chris Mihm or Dice

Can this line up contend in WC next season?

[fa7999]

Sign Berry and you get a 3 guard rotation in the backcourt: Berry, JJ, and SF3. The key is to move SF3 to 2 and let him play minimum minutes at 1.

A frontcourt of Yao and SAR is questionable since SAR needs to dominate the ball to be effective.

[yipengzhao]

Cat and DA are similar players. Really similar in fact, maybe Cat is better on D?

So the trade boils down to Cato + pick for SAR + pick. Undoubtedly SAR will put up more points, but that just leaves us pretty thin in the interior D. Yao can't do it all by himself.

Also, no way DA can play the 3, so JJ would still have to do it.

So I don't know if it would work. It could. But it's not a sure fire deal.

[Relativist]

SAR would be nice, but if we somehow got him, we'd have to find a true (defensive-minded) SF. Our backcourt's not strong enough defensively to compensate for a poor defensive PF. DA does nothing for us and as others pointed out is a SG, the last position we need depth.

[tierre_brown]

I want a first round pick for once, damnit!

Personally think we're giving up too much for SAR, who can probably be had for cheaper...isn't he a FA?

[tierre_brown]

damn double post.....sorry, just meant to edit that SAR apparently isn't an FA...

[madmonkey37]

Why would they accept Catos Contract. They already have their center of the future in ratliff and a decent backup in dale davis and stephania. Portland is also trying to cut its 2nd highest payroll in the league also and they will not take Cato, who they had before and a late first rounder wont be an incentive for portland to take on Cato and It would be nice to have a first round pick for once also. Darek Anderson and SAR are both volume shooters too, will we be happy if Yao averages his 10 shots per game? or should he be getting more and more as he progresses. Our starting lineup would pretty much be all offensive players who need to shoot to be effective. Look at Dallas, all their players require shots to be effective and their chemisitry was probably what brought them down. SAR is a low post player also and doesnt have that much of an outside game. I rather have a PF who is a good rebounder and defender that can hit a jumper, not another low post player clogging the lane that further handicaps SFs game.

[Ying Yang]

Originally posted by fa7999
Sign Berry and you get a 3 guard rotation in the backcourt: Berry, JJ, and SF3. The key is to move SF3 to 2 and let him play minimum minutes at 1.

A frontcourt of Yao and SAR is questionable since SAR needs to dominate the ball to be effective.
But this argumenyt would also apply to the present Point guard would it not. He is not effective without the ball

[nyquil82]

i would do it but i don't think portland would. as for the whole sg or sf thing with DA, gundy has said before that he thinks those positions are very similar. if reef can get learn some defense, he and yao would complement each other well.

[gucci888]

I don't think both teams would do it, just doesn't seem to help either teams.

I thought teams aren't allowed to trade 1st round picks 2 years in a row? Someone else told me different, can anyone clarify this?

[JuanValdez]

We already have 3 good shooting guards in Francis, Jackson and Mobley. Why do we continue to concoct more trades to get more shooting guards -- especially to play them out of position like Anderson at the 3 and Barry at the 1?

I also don't understand really what it means to say so-and-so is not effective without the ball. Do you mean SAR can't create spacing or set picks or establish rebounding position. Are those the sorts of things we're speaking of here? I find his inability to do such things hard to believe.

As for the trade, it sounds fine to me, actually. I don't know what Portland figures SAR's trade value to be precisely. I wonder, though, why every trade seems to involve Cato and none involve Taylor. Is it because Cato is seen as having more value or less?

[crossover]

Cato has good value
and SAR is not what will bring us a ring
next please

[madmonkey37]

I also don't understand really what it means to say so-and-so is not effective without the ball. Do you mean SAR can't create spacing or set picks or establish rebounding position. Are those the sorts of things we're speaking of here? I find his inability to do such things hard to believe.

If SAR is brought in, he will be brought in for his scoring ability and not his defense. We are expecting him to score points and we cant expect him to get 20 ppg when he doesnt have the ball. I rather have Yao getting the ball in the post instead of SAR, who shoots under 50 percent. SAR isnt known as a blue collar PF who blocks shots and gets rebounds, but a scorer and when hes playing 3rd or 4th fiddle he wont be scoring. Do you really want to pay SAR 14 million next year to set a bunch of picks and be a rebounder, which isnt even one of his strengths, SAR being the 3rd or fourth option is a complete waste of money and talent. We already have a overpaid powerforward who can set picks and get rebounds. SAR setting picks and rebounding isnt going to be real effective.

[madmonkey37]

If we could rid ourselves of either Cato's or MoT's contracts I would make the trade since SAR has one year left on his contract, but theres noway Portland will be taking on two bad contracts at positions they dont need. If SAR can prove he can play the three(dont know how thats possible since the season is over) I would also think about trying to acquire him if we dont rid ourselves of his contract, but I woulnt want him as our power forward.

[ROXTXIA]

I like SAR but he isn't what JVG is looking for (probably). So I don't know if such a trade would even come up.

Defense and shooting at the 4 and the 3. One or the other or both.

[hikanoo49]

It will be great if we can package Cato, Mo Taylor and Clarence Weatherspoon for SAR and a throw in.

We can trade Steve next year and rebuild our team with cap space.

[GATER]

The thought of Steve Francis teamed with Sharif Abdur-Rahim excites me so much I'd probably sleep right through my NBALP subscription renewal.

[Raven]

Originally posted by tierre_brown
I want a first round pick for once, damnit!



I agree :D

Raven

[JBIIRockets]

These SAR proposals are idiotic. Rahim is soft and that is not what the rockets need.

Enough with the trade ideas involving Rahim.

[Air Langhi]

portland would be dumb to give up sar for cato.

[dragonsnake]

wonder, though, why every trade seems to involve Cato and none involve Taylor. Is it because Cato is seen as having more value or less?

Talent wise, Taylor obviously has more basketball talent than Cato. But Cato is more valuable to Rockets under JVG system because of his tremendous defense presense. Our defense really go down a notch when he did not get the minutes. As talented as Taylor is in the offense end, he offensive skill cannot compensate his deficiency on the denfend end (Especially his rebounding skill). So I think Rockets would like to trade Taylor before they trade Cato.

The reason that most trade talk is involved in Cato instead of Taylor is most teams in the league does not need a VASTLY overpaid one demension PF while most would love to have a defense minded rebounder and shot blocker in the middle, even he is little bit overpaid.

[slcrocket]

Originally posted by dragonsnake
Houston Trade:
Cato, Cat, Piatkowsky, TE+ 2005 First Round to Portland for
SAS+ Darek Anderson+2nd Round


Trade for the entire San Antonio Spurs? I hate to lose Cat, but I think it's worth it. :D