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Rockets10
03-25-2004, 11:32 AM
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/2467543

The Astros just traded for Mike Lamb from the Yankees. My guess is he will be the fifth infielder on the team, since Valentin wasn't working out great, but I could be wrong.

Buck Turgidson
03-25-2004, 11:46 AM
They wanted a little LH pop off the bench. Good move.

A-Train
03-25-2004, 11:54 AM
The NY post should be running their Mike Lamb bashing cover story "Wolf in Lamb's Clothing" in tomorrow's edition...

DFW_Rockets_Fan
03-25-2004, 12:13 PM
The New York to Houston connection continues.

Rocket Fan
03-25-2004, 12:28 PM
was juan deleon a prospect at all?

Uprising
03-25-2004, 12:30 PM
Love how all the NY players are coming down to H-Town.

Rocket Fan
03-25-2004, 12:33 PM
on deleon. he was 2-0.. 1.83 ERA.. in 39 1/3rd innings last year, but that was at single A.

I like this move to get a quality bench guy

Joe Joe
03-25-2004, 01:14 PM
Are you a New Yorker if you never played in New York? What is the sound of one hand clapping?

Yao Wink
03-25-2004, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Buck Turgidson
They wanted a little LH pop off the bench. Good move.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6390

Hopefully at MMP he will find his long-ball stroke, but as it is he is not much of a power threat. Apparently, he isn't too good out in the field either. But he is left handed, so this could be a good pickup.

Joshfast
03-25-2004, 02:09 PM
This move can be classified as "Ensberg insurance" - he hasn't had a good swing and Lamb is a career .282 hitter and is left handed.

Good move, way better then Valentin on the bench.

No Worries
03-25-2004, 05:35 PM
Good move, way better then Valentin on the bench.

Valentinis now history. FYI from the AP story:

Astros get 3B Lamb from Yanks for RHP DeLeon
Thursday, March 25, 2004

(03-25) 15:03 PST TAMPA, Fla. (AP) --

The Houston Astros acquired third baseman Mike Lamb from the New York Yankees on Thursday for minor league right-hander Juan DeLeon.

Lamb competed for the Yankees' third base job until they traded for reigning American League MVP Alex Rodriguez, who shifted from shortstop.

Lamb, who arrived in a trade from Texas in February, hit .292 with one homer and two RBIs in 11 spring training games. He hit .132 in 28 games for the Rangers last season and spent most of the year with their Triple-A affiliate in Oklahoma, where he batted .288 with nine homers and 46 RBIs.

He's now favored to earn the last available backup infield spot with the Astros, who released veteran John Valentin on Thursday. Valentin had been competing with Jason Alfaro and Eric Bruntlett for a place on the 25-man roster.

DeLeon, 22, went 2-0 with a 1.83 ERA in 39 1-3 innings over 26 games for the Astros' Class-A club in Lexington, Ky. He will be assigned to the Yankees' Class-A team in Tampa.

dEVIL
03-25-2004, 07:09 PM
in other news, the cubs gm jim hendry made a ridiculous trade sending pitcher juan cruz to atlanta for some no-name pitcher and second baseman

bobmarley
03-25-2004, 07:19 PM
I really like this move. Just look at the stats..

Career vs. CUBS .357
vs. Mark Prior 2 for 2 with 1 BB 1 RBI

Career vs. CARDINALS .297
vs. Woody Williams 2 for 5 with 1 2B 1 RBI 1BB

Fegwu
03-25-2004, 08:50 PM
Interesting stat.........


Mr Lamb's career Strike Out (SO) to At-Bat (AB) ratio is......

1:7.95

Fegwu
03-25-2004, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by Fegwu
Interesting stat.........


Mr Lamb's career Strike Out (SO) to At-Bat (AB) ratio is......

1 : 7.95


More career SO to AB ratios in "descending order"


Lance Berkman = 1 : 4.85

Richard Hidalgo = 1 : 4.92

Jeff Bagwell = 1 : 5.06

Jeff Kent = 1: 5.23

Adam Averett = 1 : 5.55

Morgan Ensberg = 1 : 6.09

Craig Biggio = 1 : 6.25

Jose Vizcaino = 1 : 7.37




Well the reason I chose to highlight this stat (instead of walk/SO) is my worry about how we fail to make simple 'contact' in times of need. The stat that really surprised me the most is Lance's - I never knew (or felt) he had this high SO to AB ratio (please someone correct me if my stat on him is inacurate). In all, I expect that Mr Lamb will be a descent to good contact hitter off the bench.

Rockets10
03-25-2004, 09:47 PM
The reason Berkman is probably so high is because he walks so much as well. If it were plate appearances per strikeout rather than ABs/SO it probably wouldn't look as bad. Although it still does mean that when he doesn't walk, he strikes out a bunch.

Fegwu
03-25-2004, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by Rockets10
The reason Berkman is probably so high is because he walks so much as well. If it were plate appearances per strikeout rather than ABs/SO it probably wouldn't look as bad. Although it still does mean that when he does doesn't walk, he strikes out a bunch.


Yes I agree that Berkman's walks somewhat offsets his SO to AB ratio. What the stat also tells me is that he is not much of a contact hitter. I looove walks and I will like to see more contact hits to advance runners from 2nd and 3rd - at least this is the sole reason the Braves seized back the momentum in our last playoff push (or the one before that) when we were unable to bring home a key run with nobody out. We only managed to conjour weak direct hit to the Braves Short Stop. This scenario need not be relived anymore at least anytime soon.

Yao Wink
03-26-2004, 03:42 AM
Originally posted by dEVIL
in other news, the cubs gm jim hendry made a ridiculous trade sending pitcher juan cruz to atlanta for some no-name pitcher and second baseman

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2004/news/story?id=1768352

Sounds like the deal was trading one promising struggling pitcher for another in order for a change of scenery. Both are lefties and have good stuff from the analysis. Cruz seemed like he had the goods based on his ML experience, but at least now he won't be with the Cubbies.

Fegwu
03-26-2004, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by Yao Wink
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2004/news/story?id=1768352

Sounds like the deal was trading one promising struggling pitcher for another in order for a change of scenery. Both are lefties and have good stuff from the analysis. Cruz seemed like he had the goods based on his ML experience, but at least now he won't be with the Cubbies.


When you say both are lefties are you refering to Cruz as well? I ask because I know Cruz is a 'righty'. I still think he will have descent MLB career but not as initially heralded.

Buck Turgidson
03-26-2004, 11:05 AM
Astros released Dave Veres today: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-astros-veres&prov=ap&type=lgns

Roster is shaping up nicely, bench looks really solid with Viz, Lamb, Lane & Palmeiro...good PH options.

All indications are that they'll go with a 12 man pitching staff. Only question left is the last 2 spots in the bully. Dotel, Lidge, Micelli, Duckworth & Stone are locks. Backe, Gallo, Robertson, Fernandez & Saarloos are battling for the last 2 spots. My personal preference would be Gallo & Backe, or maybe Saarloos.

Cubs now have absolutely zero SP depth...interesting.

bobrek
03-26-2004, 11:18 AM
Buck

Interesting tidbit I saw (I think on ESPN) was that the Astros and Orioles have discussed a Robertson or Duckworth for Buddy Groom (LH reliever) trade, but that it did not work out. If they got the 2002 Buddy Groom, that would help the team.

It would not suprise me to see them start with 11 pitchers and hang on to Ryan Thompson to start the season.

codell
03-26-2004, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by Buck Turgidson


Cubs now have absolutely zero SP depth...interesting.

It is interesting. We have 2-3 guys who are proven starters (Robertson, Hernandez and Duckworth) who could easily step in if one of the Fab Five are injured. Chicago can't say the same thing.

qwerty
03-26-2004, 11:28 AM
To anyone interestd, I think the Astros Expos game today will be on ESPN 2. Starts at 12.

Austin70
03-26-2004, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by qwerty
To anyone interestd, I think the Astros Expos game today will be on ESPN 2. Starts at 12.

Thanks for the info, I will have it on at work.

MadMax
03-26-2004, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by qwerty
To anyone interestd, I think the Astros Expos game today will be on ESPN 2. Starts at 12.

i went home for lunch and watched the first two innings.

fya
03-26-2004, 03:17 PM
Lamb has a real upper-cut type swing.