Regarding NFL Draft

[Nomar]

My predictions for the future of this draft class...

Best Offensive Player: Greg Jones
Best Defensive Player: Chris Gamble

Biggest Offensive Bust: Larry Fitzgerald
Biggest Defensive Bust: Sean Taylor

[Lpya2]

Stupid Person

[Behad]

Originally posted by Lpya2
Stupid Person

I take it you've never read one of Nomah's movie reviews. In a nutshell, you can believe the exact opposite of everything he says.

[VesceySux]

Best offensive player: Eli Manning
Best defensive player: Kenechi Udeze

Biggest offensive bust: Chris Perry (just a feeling, really)
Biggest defensive bust: Chris Gamble

[moestavern19]

Greg Jones sucks, 250 pounds... He will be a suckier version of Ron Dayne. Gamble is mediocre at best.

Best Offensive Player: Mike Williams
Best Defensive Player: Chad Lavalais

Biggest Offensive Bust : Greg Jones
Biggest Defensive Bust: Tommie Harris

[oldman]

best offensive player: chris perry/eli manning
Biggest Offensive Bust : Ben Roethlisberger

Best Defensive Player: will smith
Biggest Defensive Bust: Randy Starks

[Nomar]

Originally posted by Behad
I take it you've never read one of Nomah's movie reviews. In a nutshell, you can believe the exact opposite of everything he says.

:D

Besides LOTR Behad, I'd like to hear some specifics.

Jeez. Insult LOTR, and you will never live it down I guess.

[yipengzhao]

Larry Fitzgerald looks solid.

I feel like sometimes running backs have a tough transition into the pros. Therefore I agree with the person that said Chris Perry. He kind of fits that Ki-Jana Carter prototype.

Eli Manning also looks pretty solid.

[VesceySux]

Originally posted by Nomar
Jeez. Insult LOTR, and you will never live it down I guess.

You betcha! If you think that's bad, just wait until you stir up the "Harry Potter" hornet's nest.... :)

(Thanks for the new signature.)

[CriscoKidd]

oooo, I'll play.

Best Offensive Player: Larry Fitzgerald
Best Defensive Player: Sean Taylor or DeAngelo Hall

Biggest Offensive Bust: whichever qb the chargers draft
Biggest Defensive Bust: Chris Gamble

[Lil Francis]

Best player in the draft- Sean Taylor
Best Offensive player- Kevin Jones
Best Defensive player (besides S.T.)- Vince Wilfork

Biggest Bust in the draft- Eli Manning
Biggest Offensive bust besides Manning- Chris Perry
Biggest Defensive bust- Randy Starks

[Desert Scar]

Best Offensive Player: Larry Fitzgerald, runner ups, Eli & Rivers
Best Defensive Player: Will Smith, runner ups Wilfork & Hall

Biggest Offensive Bust: Reggie Williams. Not do to his talent, do to his focus and ethic. (think Micheal Westbrook)
Biggest Defensive Bust: Chris Gamble (well not really a bust--
I think Gamble will have a rude awakening to the NFL, but be OK in the long run)

Other dissappointments:

Taylor--I don't think he will be a bust, but I think Taylor is overrated (Some are saying he is better than Roy W and worthy of a top 5 pick--better in pass coverage maybe but not run defense or hitting/intimidation which is a big part of being safety).

Mike Williams--will be good but not a game breaker (e.g., Plaxico Burris or a late model Keyshuan). USC's offense was too potent overall and made everybody look just a little better than they would on another team. It will be a much bigger gap in playmaking ability between Fitz and him than people realize. Roy W may turn out to be the better pro as well.

Greg Jones--big strong guys who are fast, but with no running insticts, do not make great pro players. You can't just live off outruning or running over pro guys, unless you are Bo Jackson, which Jones is not. Perry and Kevin Jones will be better pro backs.

[Dubious]

Biggest Offensive Bust - well I hate to say it, but Eli can probably never live live up to Peyton's success and that's what he will be measured against. He will tell you he is just not 100% driven by football like Peyton. The biggest risk in the draft is a top 10 quarterback. Also I think Chris Perry will be out of the league in 3 years.

Defensive Bust - If Taylor isn't better than sliced bread he will be considered a bust but I say either Gamble or Hall will never start.

Best Ofensive Pick - Gallery, offensive linemen are hugely underated. The left tackle is probably the 3rd most important player on any pro team. Also they tend to be easier to accurately evaluate in college, they don't bust as much as other positions.
But I'll bet the best value in the draft will be Rashaun Woods. He won't be taken till at least #35 but I think he will be as effective in the pros as any of the 6 receivers taken in the first round.

Best defensive pick - Again I'll go for best value. I'll say Teddy Lehman will go around #60 and will prove to be as good a player as Zack Thomas.

[Manny Ramirez]

I have said it a hundred times or so here, but in following Miami Hurricane football for over 20 years, there are only 2 other defensive players coming out of Miami that are better than Sean Taylor (at that stage of career):

Ray Lewis
Warren Sapp

[Manny Ramirez]

Originally posted by Gene Peterson
Biggest Offensive Bust - well I hate to say it, but Eli can probably never live live up to Peyton's success and that's what he will be measured against. He will tell you he is just not 100% driven by football like Peyton. The biggest risk in the draft is a top 10 quarterback. Also I think Chris Perry will be out of the league in 3 years.

I disagree, especially if Eli wins a Super Bowl before Peyton. From what I read, many people feel that Eli is better at this point in his career than Peyton was.

[Desert Scar]

Originally posted by Manny Ramirez
I have said it a hundred times or so here, but in following Miami Hurricane football for over 20 years, there are only 2 other defensive players coming out of Miami that are better than Sean Taylor (at that stage of career):

Ray Lewis
Warren Sapp

Perhaps at the college level, but there are at least 3 LBs with his level of athleticsm (Boulware and two of Taylors teamates)--I'd rather get much later on the board (better value). I think Taylor will be a good pro, just don't think he will be the physical intimadator of a Roy Williams, Harrison, Atwater or let alone the total package like Ronnie Lott.

I certainly would pass on a Rivers (I think underrated), Eli, Fitzgerald or most of the other guys thought of as the top 10 prospects.

[4chuckie]

Originally posted by Gene Peterson
Defensive Bust - If Taylor isn't better than sliced bread he will be considered a bust but I say either Gamble or Hall will never start.

Best Ofensive Pick - Gallery, offensive linemen are hugely underated. The left tackle is probably the 3rd most important player on any pro team. Also they tend to be easier to accurately evaluate in college, they don't bust as much as other positions.
But I'll bet the best value in the draft will be Rashaun Woods. He won't be taken till at least #35 but I think he will be as effective in the pros as any of the 6 receivers taken in the first round.


I totally agree on these 2. Gallery is the total package. Just plug him in at tackle for the next 15 years and don't worry (well pray for no injuries).

I am a huge OSU fan and I don't understand the hype on Gamble. He had a great year as a soph as a 2 way player and a very average Jr year. He was able to be succesful in college as a CB because he is an athlete. The best comparison to him is Derek Ross out of OSU. Derek came to teh Boys and had a great rookie year. Parcelss came in and said that he was like a dog chasing a tire (meaning he just chased people).

Best defensive Player: Will Smith. He isn't tall enough to be a prototypical DE (6'2) but he is fast (4.6), strong and a great athlete.

Offensive Bust: Chris perry. He is a workhorse and a great college back but I don't think he is fast enough to do much in the NFL..


Pretty obvious I watched too much Bit 10 football huh!

:)

[ChucklesG]

Best Offensive Player-Ben Roethlisberger
Best Defensive Player-Sean Taylor

Biggest Offensive Bust-Eli Manning
Biggest Defensive Bust-Chris Gamble

Ben Roethlisberger is clearly the best QB in the draft, if Eli were named Eli Jones instead of Eli Manning, he'd be a mid to late first round pick. Sean Taylor has LB size and CB speed, he had a bad workout, but so did Terrell Suggs last year.

Eli, he'll be a solid QB, players rarely are fantastic busts unless they have personality issues (i.e. Ryan Leaf being a sociopath), but they often don't live up to the hype, Eli won't, he's got hype because his father and brother were good QBs, but so did Pete Rose Jr. Chris Gamble is very talented, but he's far too raw of a cornerback to be playing in the NFL right now, he gave up several big plays last year for foolish mistakes, he really should have stayed at Ohio State for another year to get the nuances of being a CB.

[Manny Ramirez]

DS,

Do you not remember the 2 or 3 hits that Taylor put on Krenzel in the Fiesta Bowl?

For crying out loud, ST is 6'3" and 225 lbs and you don't think he is intimidating enough??

[Lil Francis]

Originally posted by Manny Ramirez
I disagree, especially if Eli wins a Super Bowl before Peyton. From what I read, many people feel that Eli is better at this point in his career than Peyton was. Sean Taylor is a man among boys. The way he dominated FSU in the regular season was just amazing. He picked off two passes and dropped 3 only because of the weather conditions. If Miami would have been undefeated he would have got a lot of Heisman hype. IMO picking Taylor would be the closest thing to a gurantee as there is.

[coachbp3]

gee people are loving taylor just a bit too much. any football player will be a bust if they don't listen to the coach or think they so hype up that they be lebron of football that they don't need to grow as a player. seriously guys the draft will hold no lebrons of football. they only turn bust if they can't stop thinking about the money and don't appliy themselves. As for best its just the different. I hope sean taylor won't be thinking about the money he getting and learn from the veterns.

[Desert Scar]

I could probably get 1 or 2 picks against that FSU buffoon.

Sorry Manny, don't remember those hits, but Krenzel is not exactly a swift or shifty target and obviously the hits were not severe enough to keep him from finnishing that game.

I recognize Taylor has good size and speed, but being an intimadating hitter is more than just size. And if we are stickly speaking on size, sorry, Sean Taylor in his 6''' 220 (softish according to the recent reports) frame does not hit like Roy Williams in his 6'0" 235 rock solid frame. I see a good pro player, especially in pass defense, but not the most dominating safety since Ronnie Lott stuff for Taylor.

[Manny Ramirez]

Originally posted by Desert Scar
I could probably get 1 or 2 picks against that FSU buffoon.

Sorry Manny, don't remember those hits, but Krenzel is not exactly a swift or shifty target and obviously the hits were not severe enough to keep him from finnishing that game.

I recognize Taylor has good size and speed, but being an intimadating hitter is more than just size. And if we are stickly speaking on size, sorry, Sean Taylor in his 6''' 220 (softish according to the recent reports) frame does not hit like Roy Williams in his 6'0" 235 rock solid frame. I see a good pro player, especially in pass defense, but not the most dominating safety since Ronnie Lott stuff for Taylor.

Where in the hell are you getting that he is 6'0"??

He is 6'2" and a half, almost 6'3" and doesn't weigh 220 but 230, at least according to this:



I tell you what, Scar. Would you like to make a friendly wager on this?

If Taylor is not on the Pro Bowl team at the end of his rookie season, then you get to choose my sig. Likewise, if he does make the Pro Bowl team, I CHOOSE your sig.

So what do you say? Are you game to do this?

[Desert Scar]

Originally posted by Manny Ramirez
Where in the hell are you getting that he is 6'0"??

He is 6'2" and a half, almost 6'3" and doesn't weigh 220 but 230, at least according to this:



I tell you what, Scar. Would you like to make a friendly wager on this?

If Taylor is not on the Pro Bowl team at the end of his rookie season, then you get to choose my sig. Likewise, if he does make the Pro Bowl team, I CHOOSE your sig.

So what do you say? Are you game to do this?

Sure I'll take that. Taylor makes the Pro Bowl next year, you get my signature 1 month. If he doesn't, I get your signature 1 month.

[Desert Scar]

Originally posted by Manny Ramirez
Where in the hell are you getting that he is 6'0"??

He is 6'2" and a half, almost 6'3" and doesn't weigh 220 but 230, at least according to this:


If you look closely I was making the comparison between Roy Williams as 6 foot chiseled 235 frame versus Sean Taylor in his longer 6'3" but less thick frame.

Taylor probably needs to get down to like 200-225--his midseason prime shape. In fact perhaps his putting on the extra 5-10 pounds is why he did not grade out as well as expected at Miami's Pro Day and the combine (Williams and Vilma had about his same drills/tests of athleticism and they are libebackers).

That above said, 6'3" 225 is plenty big enough to be a physically intimidating safety. But much of it is having a wrecking ball attitude. I think he will be good, especially in pass defense--but I don't know if Taylor will throw his body around and cause the intimidation to WRs, RBs and perhaps TEs like a Lott, Harrison, Atwater, Lynch or Roy Williams.

[SWTsig]

Originally posted by Desert Scar
Sure I'll take that. Taylor makes the Pro Bowl next year, you get my signature 1 month. If he doesn't, I get your signature 1 month.

witness!

[Manny Ramirez]

Originally posted by Desert Scar
Sure I'll take that. Taylor makes the Pro Bowl next year, you get my signature 1 month. If he doesn't, I get your signature 1 month.

Okay, we have a deal....SWT witnessed it.

[rrj_gamz]

I actually agree with Larry Fitzgerald...Here are my picks...

Best Offensive Player: Ben R. (Miami of Ohio)
Best Defensive Player: Sean Taylor

Biggest Offensive Bust: Larry Fitzgerald/Phillip Rivers
Biggest Defensive Bust: Kenechi Udeze

[Desert Scar]

I still like Fitz for OROY, but the one other guy I think may tear it up no one has mentioned is Winslow jr. Punk yes, but if he goes to any kind of team that can use him he is going to do major damage.

To me, Fitz and Winslow are the two skill position locks in the draft.

Manny, what is your view of Fitz, best WR of the crop or not.

[Desert Scar]

Manny, while you at it, how about another Big East guy, Kevin Jones. Pro stud, ordinary/adequate NFL back, or nothing.

[tozai]

RB's are so hard to predict. I like Kevin Jones, but who knows?

Offensive picks: Roy Williams, Ben Roethlisberger, Gallery
Defense: Udeze

Offensive bust: Chris Perry
Defensive bust: Chris Gamble, Tommie Harris

Overrated: Mike Williams, Nate Vasher
Underrated: Ben Troupe

[Manny Ramirez]

DS,

I like Mike Williams a little bit better than Fitzgerald simply because of Mike's size. However, I think Fitzgerald is going to be a solid pro with the potential of being a pro bowl receiver.

Kevin Jones?? Eh, never have thought he was all that great. I think he will be a serviceable pro but not a pro bowler.

[Stickfigure]

Originally posted by Manny Ramirez
Kevin Jones?? Eh, never have thought he was all that great. I think he will be a serviceable pro but not a pro bowler.

Oh well. There's not much money to be had in professional bowling these days, anyway. :p

[PhiSlammaJamma]

link to 24 different mocks updated.
http://www.gotitans.com/artman/publish/article_0069.shtml