Yao Ming is the most OVERRATED PLAYER to touch a basketball in the N.B.A.

[TheRockets#1fan]

You all are just plain pathetic!!!! Yao Ming this and that. The real truth to all this mess is that Yao Ming is very overrated. I mean, I am so tired of everyone saying that Yao does not get the ball enough or he does not demand the ball enough. The guy is scared of players in the nba. This is not China. This is the NBA. If I got 1 penny for each time Yao tips the ball instead of going up and grabbing it, I would be a Billionaire. Don't get me wrong. I like Yao as a person. He is the nicest person in the history of sports period. But as a basketball player, he is NEVER going to be Dominant. He cannot even be as good as Tim Duncan, let alone Shaq. You look at both Tim and Shaq, they are ready to give it 110% on the court and is willing to dominate and single handily take their teams to the top, just like Olajuwon did. Guys I am sorry to disappoint you all, but Yao ming will always be overrated because of what he went through to get here in the nba. Too much hype. I would rather have had Rashard Lewis on my team rather than Yao Ming. Rashard Lewis is going to tear the nba in 3 years. Yao is way too slow. He is not even as good as Rik Smits. I know all the publishists are eating away at the money they make for writing such stories about Yao Ming. ALL HYPE.

[Texas Stoke]

another bandwagoner at 12 o' clock....hit the deck!

[DreamMachine34]

I sense the flames coming...might as well join....:mad:

[canoner2002]

You know how easy to shop Yao nowadays?

[RiceDaddy7]

Ehhhhh. Yes...and no.

Yao is passive and he is overhyped. But his potential, which will be tapped, is what makes him so valuable. Given time, Yao will be a very special center. You can teach toughness...he's already got the other ingredients. I wouldn't trade a player who has things that you can't get in other players. Right now, you're judging Yao because he's of what he is at present. You're right about his slowness ( although he's not that slow ) and his passiveness. These things he will overcome with time, if not, by the end of this season. I wouldn't trade Yao for Rashard Lewis. Why do that when you can buy a player like Rashard Lewis? :)

[Jeff]

I just wanted to say good luck. We're all counting on you.

[ima_drummer2k]

Oh Lord...

It's nights like tonight that I feel sorry for Clutch...

[acrophobia98]

Originally posted by TheRockets#1fan
You all are just plain pathetic!!!! Yao Ming this and that. The real truth to all this mess is that Yao Ming is very overrated. I mean, I am so tired of everyone saying that Yao does not get the ball enough or he does not demand the ball enough. The guy is scared of players in the nba. This is not China. This is the NBA. If I got 1 penny for each time Yao tips the ball instead of going up and grabbing it, I would be a Billionaire. Don't get me wrong. I like Yao as a person. He is the nicest person in the history of sports period. But as a basketball player, he is NEVER going to be Dominant. He cannot even be as good as Tim Duncan, let alone Shaq. You look at both Tim and Shaq, they are ready to give it 110% on the court and is willing to dominate and single handily take their teams to the top, just like Olajuwon did. Guys I am sorry to disappoint you all, but Yao ming will always be overrated because of what he went through to get here in the nba. Too much hype. I would rather have had Rashard Lewis on my team rather than Yao Ming. Rashard Lewis is going to tear the nba in 3 years. Yao is way too slow. He is not even as good as Rik Smits. I know all the publishists are eating away at the money they make for writing such stories about Yao Ming. ALL HYPE.

Are you too lasy to check the stat that Yao still has a much better stat than Francis and Mobley's combined average in every aspect; and they happened to lead us to five lottery picks.

Or you must have a typo of the name of the player.

:D :D :D

[BubbaMac]

To be fair to this guy, Yao Ming has really only had spurts of greatness in the NBA. Most of the time, he just looks slow and lethargic on the court. Not sure if its skill, team mates, fatigue or what have you.

Based on this year and last year, it doesn't seem like he will dominate the NBA in the way like Dunan or Dream did. He seems more of a complimentary player like Smits or to a lesser extent Ewing.

This could all change of course but so far the greatness of Yao is all just based on potential. There are many, many things that he need to do to even be mentioned in the same breathe as Shaq or Duncan. Only time will tell if Yao ever reaches that level.

[codell]

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

[DrNuegebauer]

Yeah, Yao isn't even as good as Rick Smits :rolleyes:

Maybe you should think before saying something so stupid (which seems to be what you are accusing other people of when they rant about Ming...)

Smits BEST ever rebounding season: 7.7 - incidently that's his only season he's ever got more than 7, and his career average was 6.1

Yao's rookie season saw him get 8.2 rebounds... and this season he's on 8.3 - that's a much bigger contribution than Smits...

Scoring-wise

Smits tickled the twine to the tune of 18.5 PPG in 95-96. He twice scored over 17PPG for a season, once over 16 and twice more over 15. He never averaged less than 10, and has a career average of 14.8 in 12 seasons.

That's better than Yao (so far) who's 13.5 in his rookie season beat Smits rookie season by 2, and who's 15.3 this season is higher than Smits career average. Seems a wash at the moment, but significantly Yao scores his in the post, Smits from 18' out!

Smits once averaged over 2 blocks per contest, coming in at 1.28 for his career, Yao had 1.8 in his first season, 2.5 this year.


I don't want to diss Smits - he was a reasonably good center in this league, but face the facts, Yao is easily better than him already.

Dominant big men don't grow on trees, I'm willing to wait for Yao to develop some - who cares if he's never Olajuwon, he could become as effective as someone like Zo Mourning, and that would be an awesome result for the Rockets!

[adeelsiddiqui]

Originally posted by codell
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

You and me both :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[SamFisher]

...and stop calling me Shirley.

[ima_drummer2k]

Originally posted by TheRockets#1fan
REACT TO ME!!!!! NOW!!!
:rolleyes:

[farhan007]

Originally posted by acrophobia98
Are you too lasy to check the stat that Yao still has a much better stat than Francis and Mobley's combined average in every aspect; and they happened to lead us to five lottery picks.

Or you must have a typo of the name of the player.

:D :D :D
Steve francis
PPG 19.5
RPG 6.3
APG 5.3
SPG 1.67
BPG .83
FG% .467
FT% .771
3P% .273
MPG 37.7

Yao Ming
PPG 15.3
RPG 8.3
APG 1.7
SPG .50
BPG 2.83
FG% .524
FT% .743
3P% .000
MPG 31.5

umm, the only diff, is fg% and dont tell me becasue yao has a better fg% hes better. Steve is usually the shortest guy on the court, while yao is the tallest. Its still sad that steve dominates more than our 7-6 super-star.

[sun12]

Yao is a 16/8/2 player this season. What do you expect?
He does not need to add weight anymore, but he needs to learn
how to position himself.

If Rox can get into the playoff, I want to see what he can do in playoffs.

[edwardc]

Originally posted by codell
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.


aint that the truth;)

[acrophobia98]

Originally posted by farhan007
Steve francis
PPG 19.5
RPG 6.3
APG 5.3
SPG 1.67
BPG .83
FG% .467
FT% .771
3P% .273
MPG 37.7

Yao Ming
PPG 15.3
RPG 8.3
APG 1.7
SPG .50
BPG 2.83
FG% .524
FT% .743
3P% .000
MPG 31.5

umm, the only diff, is fg% and dont tell me becasue yao has a better fg% hes better. Steve is usually the shortest guy on the court, while yao is the tallest. Its still sad that steve dominates more than our 7-6 super-star.


You are comparing apple with oranges Francis took tons of shots and benefit from Yao's being double team. Let's look at the stat for tonight as that's where you are coming from:

Min FG 3Pt FT Off Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts
Y. Ming 30 5-12 0-0 2-2 3 8 4 1 2 1 4 12
S. Francis 37 6-14 0-3 3-3 0 3 7 3 2 0 3 15
C. Mobley 35 2-10 1-5 4-4 0 5 1 2 0 0 3 9

Please do the math yourself and find out where the lapse was.



:D :D :D

[farhan007]

Originally posted by acrophobia98
You are comparing apple with oranges Francis took tons of shots and benefit from Yao's being double team. Let's look at the stat for tonight as that's where you are coming from:

Min FG 3Pt FT Off Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts
Y. Ming 30 5-12 0-0 2-2 3 8 4 1 2 1 4 12
S. Francis 37 6-14 0-3 3-3 0 3 7 3 2 0 3 15
C. Mobley 35 2-10 1-5 4-4 0 5 1 2 0 0 3 9

Please do the math yourself and find out where the lapse was.



:D :D :D
so, what are you trying to prove? That Yao is more talented than steve? And I did take fga attemps into consideration. Since i did talk about fg% which includes fga... And 46% for a pg is damn good. He also had 7 assits, but yao had 8 reb. But their fg% was almost the same in this game.

[Darrinlane]

another bandwagoner at 12 o' clock....hit the deck!



thanks Texas Stoke....I'm all out of sarcastic remarks:D .

[Darrinlane]

Ever been in a Turkish prison?

[reptilexcq]

Yea if Yao Ming is overrated then Rockets would be talking lottery right now. Yao is the reason Rockets are able to hang in any game ...period!!

[tannersearle78]

I understand the frustration with Yao, but he isn't going anywhere. If it took the organization this long to get rid of Eddie Griffen, then yao, steve, and Cat are definately not going anywhere. He's a Rocket now, so the best thing to do is root for him to grow into his hype.

[acrophobia98]

Originally posted by farhan007
so, what are you trying to prove? That Yao is more talented than steve? And I did take fga attemps into consideration. Since i did talk about fg% which includes fga... And 46% for a pg is damn good. He also had 7 assits, but yao had 8 reb. But their fg% was almost the same in this game.

Honestly speaking, I have no preference between Yao and Francis. I was just annoyed with all these trade Yao, trade back court, overrated yao, etc. thread after losing one game on the road to a very good team.

If you look at the stat calmly and rationally, both Francis and Yao had an equally poor game. FG% is about the same while Francis took a little more shots. You can say Yao's advantage in rebound offset Francis' in assist. The only difference really is Francis had more TOs; but that might have been caused in part by his teammates or giving the credit to Dallas' energy.

As to defence, you can give the edge to Yao as he is the only Rocket who won the match up in his position. However, Centre is probably the weakest position in Dallas' lineup.

You certainly cannot say the same for Mobley, who had a really bad game in both offence and defence.

All in all, as I said in other threads, it is ridiculous to start all these threads to bash Yao, Francis and our backcourt when Rocket is 5-2.

:)

[farhan007]

Originally posted by acrophobia98
Honestly speaking, I have no preference between Yao and Francis. I was just annoyed with all these trade Yao, trade back court, overrated yao, etc. thread after losing one game on the road to a very good team.

If you look at the stat calmly and rationally, both Francis and Yao had an equally poor game. FG% is about the same while Francis took a little more shots. You can say Yao's advantage in rebound offset Francis' in assist. The only difference really is Francis had more TOs; but that might have been caused in part by his teammates or giving the credit to Dallas' energy.

As to defence, you can give the edge to Yao as he is the only Rocket who won the match up in his position. However, Centre is probably the weakest position in Dallas' lineup.

You certainly cannot say the same for Mobley, who had a really bad game in both offence and defence.

All in all, as I said in other threads, it is ridiculous to start all these threads to bash Yao, Francis and our backcourt when Rocket is 5-2.

:)
i agree... lets all be happy, that we are .500. We got a long season ahead of us, and this wasnt the game that made or breaked us for the playoffs.

[chad44]

this guy probably thinks boki was a better pick..........????:eek:

[nyquil82]

some #1 fan you are, have a little faith.

welcome to my list.

[Visagial]

Reactionary, maybe, but I am starting to think that Yao is a bit overrated, especially by the national media. He hasn't shown anything this season to suggest he's going to be a dominant player. He was single covered tonight for the most part and against Orlando but was unable to do very much scoring wise.

I just have a sinking feeling that he's never going to get it together enough to take us anywhere.

[steddinotayto]

quite frankly i don't give a rat's ass if yao never becomes the next wilt or the next shaq in terms of domination. if he can become the second coming of Rik Smits or even better, i'm satisfied. Add a player like that with what we have now, it doesn't look too shabby now does it?

[yipengzhao]

Yao is just overrated on this board. Most people around the country don't really talk about how good he is. A few analysts really like him, some others don't.

Yao is awesome, good players have off nights, T Mac scored like 8 points a few games ago. The entire league is making him the number 1 target on defense, he'll need to adjust back. Yao Ming is smart and he will adjust.

I'm looking for a big game from him tomorrow.

[uac]

Originally posted by farhan007
so, what are you trying to prove? That Yao is more talented than steve? And I did take fga attemps into consideration. Since i did talk about fg% which includes fga... And 46% for a pg is damn good. He also had 7 assits, but yao had 8 reb. But their fg% was almost the same in this game.

Steve is most talent player in NBA. :rolleyes:

But I rather watch soccer instead of this second tier rocket team.

[BubbaMac]

Originally posted by DrNuegebauer
Yeah, Yao isn't even as good as Rick Smits :rolleyes:

Maybe you should think before saying something so stupid (which seems to be what you are accusing other people of when they rant about Ming...)

Smits BEST ever rebounding season: 7.7 - incidently that's his only season he's ever got more than 7, and his career average was 6.1



Blah blah blah. Stop quoting all of these statistics idiot. Smits might be better than Yao or the other way around. Who cares.

I am not bashing Yao, however, looking at Yao's function on this team, he is nothing more at this point than a high level complementary player (ala Smits was to the Pacers) and is not dominating - he doesn't shoot that much, only is occassionally aggressive, is not quick to the ball, and a below par rebounder for someone 7-6, 300 pounds.

For example, in the fourth quarter when Finley made that one handed dunk, Yao was probably a few feet away from him and didn't even wave his hand at the ball to try to block it. Not that he could have blocked it, but Yao just stood there without moving his arms at all.

Also, how can Cato have more shot attempts than Yao tonight?

Yao hasn't even scored over 20 points a game yet this season which is function of many things. My point is right now Yao is a pretty good player, not great. Has some great nights but too many mediocre ones in betwen. Maybe he will be great one day but who knows.

[hulk]

Originally posted by BubbaMac

For example, in the fourth quarter when Finley made that one handed dunk, Yao was probably a few feet away from him and didn't even wave his hand at the ball to try to block it. Not that he could have blocked it, but Yao just stood there without moving his arms at all.


You blame that play on Yao? He is a few feet away and guard his man. He should wave his arms when Finley is dunking? What for? It would look like an idiot.

[jopatmc]

Originally posted by TheRockets#1fan
You all are just plain pathetic!!!! Yao Ming this and that. The real truth to all this mess is that Yao Ming is very overrated. I mean, I am so tired of everyone saying that Yao does not get the ball enough or he does not demand the ball enough. The guy is scared of players in the nba. This is not China. This is the NBA. If I got 1 penny for each time Yao tips the ball instead of going up and grabbing it, I would be a Billionaire. Don't get me wrong. I like Yao as a person. He is the nicest person in the history of sports period. But as a basketball player, he is NEVER going to be Dominant. He cannot even be as good as Tim Duncan, let alone Shaq. You look at both Tim and Shaq, they are ready to give it 110% on the court and is willing to dominate and single handily take their teams to the top, just like Olajuwon did. Guys I am sorry to disappoint you all, but Yao ming will always be overrated because of what he went through to get here in the nba. Too much hype. I would rather have had Rashard Lewis on my team rather than Yao Ming. Rashard Lewis is going to tear the nba in 3 years. Yao is way too slow. He is not even as good as Rik Smits. I know all the publishists are eating away at the money they make for writing such stories about Yao Ming. ALL HYPE.


Coming from the most overrated Rockets fan to touch a keyboard on the internet.

:rolleyes:

[BubbaMac]

Originally posted by hulk
You blame that play on Yao? He is a few feet away and guard his man. He should wave his arms when Finley is dunking? What for? It would look like an idiot.

Whats the point in guarding your man when Finley is in mid air going for the dunk? Who was Yao guarding at the time - Bradley maybe? Is Finley going to pass to Bradley while Finley is in mid-air? At least Yao should make an attempt to block the shot, even a fake attempt.

Last year during a game that was shown on TNT or ESPN, Finley posterized Yao on one play with a ferocious dunk. Later in the game, Finley drove the lane going for a similar tomahawk jam. Yao was in Finley's path but just simply got out of the way.

The announcers said that even though Yao got dunked on the first time by Finley that Yao should never back away on the second dunk but should at least try to block it to perhaps give Finley something to think about next time he tries to jam in Yao's face. If there is no resistance, Finley will just think he has a free pass to the hoop every time.

[michecon]

Ok, that's it. Trade him. I've had enough.

[whats up]

Originally posted by BubbaMac
...For example, in the fourth quarter when Finley made that one handed dunk, Yao was probably a few feet away from him and didn't even wave his hand at the ball to try to block it. Not that he could have blocked it, but Yao just stood there without moving his arms at all...

Right, Yao was a few feet away right when Finly dunked. But he was on the other side of the paint when Finley caught the pass 5 feet from the basket. So, that play was undefendable.

[hulk]

Originally posted by BubbaMac
Whats the point in guarding your man when Finley is in mid air going for the dunk? Who was Yao guarding at the time - Bradley maybe? Is Finley going to pass to Bradley while Finley is in mid-air? At least Yao should make an attempt to block the shot, even a fake attempt.


You should ask wheres Finleys defender? The dude (maybe Mobley) was fronting Finley. Why the hell we need to front Finley? The pass was perfect and Finley was right in the money. Yao and others are in another side and probably 4 or 5 feet away. No way, he could block the shot. When he looked back, the dunk was nearly finished. Waving your hands 4 or 5 feet away at that time was just useless and stupid. Give the credit to mav's guards.

[jediknight94595]

Does anyone here think Yao will learn to jump higher? Will his arms grow longer?

[3d-homer]

A guy that's not playing at his full potential in his second year?!?!?!

Holy Crap we need to get rid of him quick!!



BTW, Even if Yao never dominates the NBA, he'll still be a 15/8 type of guy. I'd take that any day over what we had before we drafted him.

[farhan007]

Originally posted by uac
Steve is most talent player in NBA. :rolleyes:

But I rather watch soccer instead of this second tier rocket team.
i said one of the most... and he is(period)

[jon]

I am really frustrated as well. I happened to be able to watch 2 Rocket's live game on TV this season. But just like my wife said, whenever you watched them, they lost and Yao sucked. It's so true...maybe I should quit watching games on TV. :( :( :( :(

[Manny Ramirez]

Joey: Wait a minute! I know you. You're Yao Ming. You play basketball for the Houston Rockets.
Roger Murdock: I'm sorry son, but you must have me confused with someone else. My name is Roger Murdock. I'm the co-pilot.
Joey: You are Yao! I've seen you play. My dad's got season tickets.
Roger Murdock: I think you should go back to your seat now Joey. Right Clarence?
Captain Oveur: Nahhhhhh, he's not bothering anyone, let him stay here.
Roger Murdock: But just remember, my name is ROGER MURDOCK. I'm an airline pilot.
Joey: I think you're the greatest, but my dad, TheRockets#1Fan, says you don't work hard enough on defense. And he says that lots of times, you don't even run down court. And that you don't really try . . . plus you are overrated.
Roger Murdock: The hell I don't! LISTEN KID! I've been hearing that crap ever since I came to the US from China. I'm out there busting my buns every night. Tell your old man to drag Shaq and Duncan up and down the court for 48 minutes.

[ihatehyena]

Send him to Nets. It would be cool for both Yao-fans and Anti-Yaos.

[Rockets2K]

Originally posted by ihatehyena
Send him to Nets. It would be cool for both Yao-fans and Anti-Yaos.

there are no anti-Yaos.

only posters who arent such huge fan-bois that they see what his problems are and arent afraid to speak up about it.

the problem is, some of you see any discussion about Yao's flaws as "Yao haters"

so in that vein, we should start labelling all the posters who constantly bash the rest of the team as "Rockets-haters" huh?

I dare you to find any real rockets fan who doesnt want Yao to do well.
the few that have comeout and said that they dont like Yao are in the minority...a very small minority.

now get over your hero worship and accept the fact that Yao IS NOT GOIN ANYWHERE. He is a Rocket, and will be for a long time.

If you dont like it...find another team to cheer for.

[Deuce]

http://www.nerdie.com/images/funnywords/warmcup.jpg

[Rivaldo2181]

This thread should be shut down for the stupidity of it. Yao is only in his second season. He not only has to adapt to the NBA game, he also has to adapt to a new culture, new language, new people and being away from home. He is going to be a GREAT player when his career is all said and done. He just needs to develop that mean streak, where he just gets the ball and slams it down instead of laying it up. Right now he is in his second season and he doesn't get the respect of the officials so he can't be too physical or he would get called for a lot of fouls. With a league that has no real centers anymore with the exception of Shaq, Divac, and few others who are going to be gone by the time Yao develops into a STAR and watch out, he will be dominating. Getting rid of Yao is about as ridiculous as 99% of clutch members wanting to get rid of Steve. Yao is by far better than most centers in the league already, he is better than that stiff the Spurs have, and better than Brad Miller. Give it some time, the Rockets time will come in the next few years. I know it is frustrating to have to wait but that just makes it so much sweeter when it happens. Peace.

[buddry]

I have only seen a couple games so far this year but Yao looks like a lost sheep out there. And he is way to passive. I don't know how many time I have yelled at the TV for him to just dunk the damn ball instead of missing a weak lay up.

I was expecting much more from him after his preseason play, but he has pretty much sucked in the regular season from what I have seen so far. It has been very disapointing.

[shawn786]

I agree he is wayyyyyyyyyyyyy to over hyped up BUT i dont agree with you when you said he will never be a super star like player, he will for sure be a super start itll just take 3 to 4 years, IMO

[Visagial]

The fact that Yao can't jump very high is a positive in one sense; it helps him avoid injuries. He's not going to twist a bunch of ankles or hyperextend a knee. Anyway, his rebounding technique is so horrible that jumping ability seems like a minor concern.

Originally posted by jediknight94595
Does anyone here think Yao will learn to jump higher? Will his arms grow longer?

[Rocket River]

Originally posted by Deuce
http://www.nerdie.com/images/funnywords/warmcup.jpg

This just had to be Revisited

:D

Rocket River

[TxCowboy96]

Overrated??? No! I think he just need some TOUGH LOVE! Some sweet lil TOUGH LOVE nuturing.... He needs some SHAQ bashing in his face so he can get some emotions in his game!

[dfoolz]

Let me guess you are on Francis or Mobley n-u-t-s!!

[robbie380]

i enjoy the fairweather fans. why don't you start a trade steve and cat thread while you are at it.