Texans vs. Jets

[nWo34Life]

Now that we know that we got our ass kicked by the Titans, how about the Jets? Seemed like they just kick the sh!t out of the Bills and are looking for more blood.

What do you this of this week?

And by the way....MATT STEVENS AND OUR SECONDARY SUCKS!

[rrj_gamz]

Originally posted by nWo34Life
And by the way....MATT STEVENS AND OUR SECONDARY SUCKS!

Matt Stevens definitely sucks azz, but I'm not ready to give up on the rest of the secondary...Coleman had a terrible game, in fact the entire D sucked Sunday...When is Glenn coming back...

I think the Jets are still beatable as the Bills have been sucking the last couple of games...I hope we can rebound...

[Jared Novak]

Originally posted by nWo34Life
And by the way....MATT STEVENS AND OUR SECONDARY SUCKS!

The funny thing is you know its true when a national broadcast announcer singles you out and mentions a college prospect that you're team should consider drafting to replace you. (have to mention, Schweigert is an intriguing prospect).

[Yao Wink]

Of course our secondary (mainly Stevens) would not be exposed if the Texans could get some pressure on the QB. I am not just talking sacks, but just getting to the QB, knocking him around, and disrupting his timing. McNair is a mobile QB and proved too tough a test for the Texans to get to. But this week the Texans get a try at Vinny. Hopefully Peek and Clemons can get into Vinny's grill a few times.

[Buck Turgidson]

Wooohoooo...3PM start = serious tailgating.

[Lil Francis]

Our agree that the secondary is not that good but I think our Linebackers are overrated big time. In a 3-4 defense you must have fast and athletic LB's and the only one with decent speed is Wong and he is just an average player. Sharper and Foreman are great tacklers but not athletic enough to put heat on a QB and thats a must in a 3-4 system.

[mateo]

Vinnie is not Air McNair.

Texans win, go to 3-3.

[Black Sheep]

Even though the Texans lost bad, it's still counts as just one loss. We will rebound against the Jets.

[ima_drummer2k]

Originally posted by Lil Francis
In a 3-4 defense you must have fast and athletic LB's and the only one with decent speed is Wong and he is just an average player. Sharper and Foreman are great tacklers but not athletic enough to put heat on a QB and thats a must in a 3-4 system.
Exactly! I thought the whole idea of the 3-4 was to get pressure on the QB. If that's not happening (and it hasn't all year), what's the point?

I'm glad the Jets finally won last week. If not, they would be extra hungry coming in on Sunday. Hopefully Stacy Mack will keep his damn mouth shut this week...

Texans 20
Jet 17

[tierre_brown]

I think our secondary can handle Santana Moss and Wayne Chrebet and Curtis Conway ... at least I hope so. Vinny needs to get rattled a few times early. Our D needs to step up in a big way after the Titans pounding.

Texans 24
Jets 17

[IROC it]

We should win this one.

Texans 28
Jets 10

[Rockets2K]

Man, this is a tough call...I know next to nothing about the Jets.

Gut feeling..

Texans 31
Jets 21

prayin that getting Stevens out of the lineup can only help.:)

[david_rocket]

The Texans will win this one.

Go Texans!!!!!!! :)

[Ender120]

ESPN says Wayne Chrebet will not play Sunday. Injury to his shoulder, I think.

[Lil Francis]

Conway killed Coleman last year in S.D. hopefully Marcus can slow him down a bit Sunday. Santana Moss is the guy that really scares me with Glenn out of the game.

[tierre_brown]

Do you think they should go to more zone coverages against the Jets? I don't know, I'm just trying to think of ways to help revive our D. I just don't know if any of our corners have the speed to keep up with Moss, and Vinny is old, but still pretty accurate.

[Roc Paint]

Carr and Johnson are going to light their asses up today.

Texans 31
Jets 14

[Bmw#13]

That was a nice offensive possession for us.

[Nick]

About as nice of a start as possible...

Three and out for them.

A TD for us.

Texans 7
Jets 0

[Truth]

Everytime I see D. Davis play. I become more and more impressed. Also, nice job by the OL on that possesion.

[IROC it]

Beauty of a pass to Andre... play action pass!!

What a difference a running game makes!

1st and Goal.

2nd And Goal.

[IROC it]

4th and Goal.... end of 1st.

Will they kick it this early? Hope so. (my Macho sise says ."Go for it.");)

[IROC it]

My Macho side won... Mack with the dive in TD!!

14-0, Texans.

Capers is a wild man.:D :D :D

(challenge flag:rolleyes: )

[Rockets2K]

WOW!!

Mack got smacked HARD! :eek:

but on replay, the ball did cross the plane...easily.

just like with the Carr one a couple of weeks ago...

Go Texans!

[Bmw#13]

Man I'm liking what I see. DD doing all the work and Stacey Mack finishing off.

[Rockets2K]

Davis s impressing today..

The Jets are so scared of him breaking off a long one that they actually ranoff and left Dre Johnson wide open....

Sweetness..for us anyway.
Stupid move for the Jets..:D

[DavidS]

Originally posted by Truth
Everytime I see D. Davis play. I become more and more impressed.

He seems like he a load!

5'9" 215lbs! Yikes!

That's one solid running back!!!

He's already got 48 yards on 10 carries!

[IROC it]

Defense seems to be pumped whenever the offense handles their business.

(except in the secondary :rolleyes: )

Letting them get a big 1st on 3rd and 12 is a demoralizer... We need a pick, or a sack, or both...

And more points!

[IROC it]

Sweet crossing route to Andre...

Does davis reming anyone else of a young (hopefully better with more longevity) Gary Brown?

[DavidS]

Originally posted by IROC it
Sweet crossing route to Andre...

Does davis reming anyone else of a young (hopefully better with more longevity) Gary Brown?


Yeah, I was thinking about that...

G. Brown was an awesome young back.

The wideload! He just faded! I have three of his best games in tape matter of fact.

[DavidS]

WR Draft watch.... :)


Andre Johnson (1st round, 3rd pick)
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396162

Charles Rogers (1st round, 2nd pick)
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396176

[codell]

Wright was knocked out cold. OUCH.

[Nashvegas]

do you have to subscribe to get nfl audio now?

[DavidS]

Go Domanick!

[DavidS]

Originally posted by Nashvegas
do you have to subscribe to get nfl audio now?


Yes.

You can get the yearly package.

It's not like the NBA package that is monthly billed (sucks!).

[DavidS]

By the way, I miss the days when we had a 100 yard RB.

[Nashvegas]

that's what i thought....but i found the jets station on the net

http://www.wabcradio.com/listenlive.asp (http://)

[Truth]

Originally posted by DavidS
By the way, I miss the days when we had a 100 yard RB.

Well, be prepared to welcome them back.. D Day is here.. ;)

[Behad]

Originally posted by DavidS
By the way, I miss the days when we had a 100 yard RB.

We do now!

[codell]

Congrats DD!!!!

First 100 yard rusher in Texans history.

[Rockets2K]

Looks like Mack is relegated to being a 3rd down back...
That aint why he came here, is it?

Oh well buddy...ya snooze, ya lose.

Good job DD. :)

[codell]

That last sack was comical. Our right tackle and right guard ran right into each other and the Jets lineman went untouched because of it. Looked like the 3 Stooges minus 1 Stooge.

[DavidS]

Originally posted by Rockets2K
Looks like Mack is relegated to being a 3rd down back...
That aint why he came here, is it?

Oh well buddy...ya snooze, ya lose.

Good job DD. :)


Stacy Mack just never had the body to play an every-down RB.

At 6'1" 241lbs, he's more like a FULL BACK!

Like you said, 3rd down back.

[fatman510]

ugh Testaverde is picking apart our weak secondary :mad:

[codell]

Vinny is picking apart our secondary. :(

[fatman510]

Originally posted by codell
Vinny is picking apart our secondary. :(
beat ya too it ;)

[DavidS]

I hope the Texans don't start playing conservative, i.e. trying to hold on, rather than attack.

[fatman510]

godamnit wiegert :mad:

[fatman510]

penalties! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Nick]

Has Andre Johnson caught a 3rd quarter / early 4th quarter pass all year?

It seems like we go to him early, forget about him in the middle, and go to him late again.

Carr's not even looking in his direction... he's staying fixated on the dump off.

[DavidS]

Originally posted by Nick
Has Andre Johnson caught a 3rd quarter / early 4th quarter pass all year?

It seems like we go to him early, forget about him in the middle, and go to him late again.

Carr's not even looking in his direction... he's staying fixated on the dump off.

Pressure on the young QB.

He's playing it safe.

As time goes on, that should change.

[codell]

Originally posted by DavidS
I hope the Texans don't start playing conservative, i.e. trying to hold on, rather than attack.

I suspect its already happening. Our offense is playing not to lose, thus, putting all the pressure on our defense.

[AGBee]

This doesn't look good.

[AGBee]

We're letting a senior citizen scramble for 14 yards with the game on the line.

[Nick]

With A. Glenn AND K. Wright out, who's playing CB now?

Chances are, the Jets will be picking on that guy.

[Rockets2K]

Oh Sh!t....

we have been unable to stop the Jet's ground game...and now they are almost within FG range for the win..

Come On D....stop em NOW!

sigh....they looked so good in the first half....:(

[Rockets2K]

that will show me....I was worry9ng about te runninggame...and Vinny whips us on a long one...



AAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!

:mad:

[codell]

If we lose, this lose goes to the coaching staff. Our defense has been on the field way too much the 2nd half and its because our coaching staff couldn't find their balls when they were calling the plays on offense.

Is that right??? We only passed the ball 7 times in the 2nd half??? :(

[Nick]

I guess we "let" them score.

At least we have a chance to win with a TD.

[Rockets2K]

OMG!!!!!!!!

JJ Moses!!....................what a run!

comeone Carr....I got faith in ya....lets win this one!


:D

[BobFinn*]

Was that Billy "White Shoes" Johnson?:eek:

[Remix]

Pathetic, just pathetic.

[Stevierebel]

What happened?

[Stevierebel]

nevermind. That sucks

[Remix]

Andre Johnson just droped a 4th down 4 yards to go ball. Game over.

[RocketFan007]

Johnson has got to bring that ball in, but Carr also needs to learn to take some off of those short passes.

[Nick]

IMHO, both players were at fault.

Sure Carr could have thrown with a little less velocity, but Andre should have made that catch.

Unfortunatley, it shouldn't have come down to that. Instead of us letting DD's running open up the pass (like they did in the 1st quarter), we decided to stick with either the run or dump off for about 2 1/2 quarters.

That and penalties killed this team.

[AGBee]

Yeah, Carr drilled that one into Andre.

[Jeff]

That's what happens when you ignore your wide receivers all day. It's tough for them to get in a rhythm when they don't ever see the ball. Plus, Carr rifled that ball in there like a Clements fastball and, to make matters worse, threw it well behind him.

The thing that irks me about today was that it looked like the old Oilers give it to Earl, give it to Earl, give it to Earl, punt.

I know Davis has been impressive, but the whole point of running the ball and throwing the underneath routes is to open up the pass to your receivers. At some point, you have to stop playing not to lose and go for the gusto. Take a risk.

[jelanit]

Well, we got screwed by our damn offensive coordinator again. Our offense is too damn predictable and conservative.
Run on 1st down
Run on 2nd down
Pass on 3rd down
Punt

What the hell was the run play on 3rd and 3 in the redzone at the end of the game. Just terrible playcalling. We play so much better when we throw down the field and challenge defenses. Just look at our 14-0 first quarter. That was a well called quarter. Later in the game, it seemed like we were trying to not lose the game rather than win it.

Man, I'm pissed. We had this one. :mad: :mad: :confused: :(

[Mr. Mooch]

I picked the Texans in my Fantasy League this week.

14-0.



Then 19-14.


How in the hell?!?!?!?!?!?:mad:

[CriscoKidd]

DD looks like the real deal. The texans offense looks like it's going to be scary.

Carr, AJ, and now DD all studs that have plenty of time to grow. The rest of their wr core should continue to be at least solid. Their oline still has room for improvement.

They should let the o develop and give the d some youth in the next draft.

[DavidS]

Originally posted by Jeff
That's what happens when you ignore your wide receivers all day. It's tough for them to get in a rhythm when they don't ever see the ball. Plus, Carr rifled that ball in there like a Clements fastball and, to make matters worse, threw it well behind him.

The thing that irks me about today was that it looked like the old Oilers give it to Earl, give it to Earl, give it to Earl, punt.

I know Davis has been impressive, but the whole point of running the ball and throwing the underneath routes is to open up the pass to your receivers. At some point, you have to stop playing not to lose and go for the gusto. Take a risk.



Thank you!!!!! Exactly. I hate that conservative mindset.

[DavidS]

Originally posted by jelanit
Well, we got screwed by our damn offensive coordinator again. Our offense is too damn predictable and conservative.
Run on 1st down
Run on 2nd down
Pass on 3rd down
Punt

What the hell was the run play on 3rd and 3 in the redzone at the end of the game. Just terrible playcalling. We play so much better when we throw down the field and challenge defenses. Just look at our 14-0 first quarter. That was a well called quarter. Later in the game, it seemed like we were trying to not lose the game rather than win it.

Man, I'm pissed. We had this one. :mad: :mad: :confused: :(

Yeah, seems like the pass was only used to get us out of a jam.

Predictable.

[JBIIRockets]

Originally posted by Jeff
but the whole point of running the ball and throwing the underneath routes is to open up the pass to your receivers. At some point, you have to stop playing not to lose and go for the gusto. Take a risk.

Are you talking about the Longhorns? :)

[BobFinn*]

That 3rd down run was what lost the game. Carr was hot, making all the right reads, hitting the open man. We get to the 8 yard line and they call a run on 3rd down when we are down by 5 points with 13 seconds left on the clock?

Absolutely Pathetic play calling!!!!

[codell]

First time ever, I have actually been pissed after a Texans loss.

In the 2nd half, not taking into account the last drive, where we pretty much had to throw, we ran the ball 13 times and passed only 5 times before 3rd down. We only passed the ball once on 1st down in the whole 2nd half.

[desihooper]

Not a great way to end off the game. I can't believe we ran for it on third down. I don't question the play call, just the execution. If Johnson had caught the ball, he would have been doing the Reliant Leap, for sure! i just wish he could have held on, we would have been talking about how great the game was, and nto how bad the last play we ran was.

[DavidS]

In homage to Domanick Davis. Here's a little RB history...

At least 1000 yards since 1978.

Scroll down, if there's a big space.

<html>
<body>
<table border="6">
<tr>
<th>PLAYER</th>
<th>YEAR</th>
<th>ATT</th>
<th>YARDS</th>
<th>AVG</th>
<th>TDs</th>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Earl Campbell</td>
<td>1980</td>
<td>373</td>
<td>1934</td>
<td>5.2</td>
<td>13</td>
</tr>


<tr>
<td>Earl Campbell</td>
<td>1979</td>
<td>368</td>
<td>1697</td>
<td>4.6</td>
<td>19</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Earl Campbell</td>
<td>1978</td>
<td>302</td>
<td>1450</td>
<td>4.8</td>
<td>13</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Eddie George</td>
<td>1997</td>
<td>357</td>
<td>1399</td>
<td>3.9</td>
<td>0</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Earl Campbell</td>
<td>1981</td>
<td>361</td>
<td>1376</td>
<td>3.8</td>
<td>10</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Earl Campbell</td>
<td>1981</td>
<td>361</td>
<td>1376</td>
<td>3.8</td>
<td>10</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Eddie George</td>
<td>1996</td>
<td>335</td>
<td>1368</td>
<td>4.1</td>
<td>0</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Earl Campbell</td>
<td>1983</td>
<td>321</td>
<td>1301</td>
<td>4.0</td>
<td>12</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Eddie George</td>
<td>1998</td>
<td>348</td>
<td>1294</td>
<td>3.7</td>
<td>0</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Lorenzo White</td>
<td>1992</td>
<td>265</td>
<td>1226</td>
<td>4.6</td>
<td>7</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Mike Rozier</td>
<td>1988</td>
<td>251</td>
<td>1002</td>
<td>4.0</td>
<td>10</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Gary Brown</td>
<td>1993</td>
<td>195</td>
<td>1002</td>
<td>5.1</td>
<td>6</td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

[Drewdog]

Originally posted by codell
First time ever, I have actually been pissed after a Texans loss.

In the 2nd half, not taking into account the last drive, where we pretty much had to throw, we ran the ball 13 times and passed only 5 times before 3rd down. We only passed the ball once on 1st down in the whole 2nd half.

Thats funny........ me too. This is the first Texans game where we SHOULD have won, but our WAAAAY too conservative offensive play calling blew it. Our defense was fantastic all game long except for the final Jets drive.

Run
Run
Pass
Punt

:mad: I was sooooooooo pissed after that.

Then we run the ball on 3rd freaking down in the red zone???? Thats where I throw various objects at the telvision set in fury.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

Coaching staff blew this one......

[Uprising]

Man. That really sucked. They did not play at all like they did in the first. I am not saying that they sucked in their game, but it was their scheme that changed. They weren't doing anymore of those quick passes to the outside like they were in the first half.

And they over used the quick pass up the middle. Though we nearly had another first down to go for the TD but Carr threw that pass way too hard. It hit Johnson right on the zero on his jersey but was thrown way too hard.

We should never had to have the comeback. 19 unanswered points, well, that just flat out sucks.

Also, how come Mosses can't run the whole field before running out of gas?

[Lil Francis]

Man this one really hurt. We could have been 3-3 heading into Indy but now it looks like we will come home 2-5 to play Carolina. J.J. is a good return man but you can't let a 260lb linebacker run you down in that situation. D.D. will be the biggest steal in the 2003 draft. I think the Texans will pass up a guy like Kevin Jones or Steven Jackson since they already have an every down back.

[Kam]

Matt Stevens should have started.

[tierre_brown]

Originally posted by DavidS
In homage to Domanick Davis. Here's a little RB history...

At least 1000 yards since 1978.

Scroll down, if there's a big space.

<html>
<body>
<table border="6">
<tr>
<th>PLAYER</th>
<th>YEAR</th>
<th>ATT</th>
<th>YARDS</th>
<th>AVG</th>
<th>TDs</th>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Eddie George</td>
<td>1997</td>
<td>357</td>
<td>1399</td>
<td>3.9</td>
<td>0</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Eddie George</td>
<td>1996</td>
<td>335</td>
<td>1368</td>
<td>4.1</td>
<td>0</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Eddie George</td>
<td>1998</td>
<td>348</td>
<td>1294</td>
<td>3.7</td>
<td>0</td>
</tr>

</table>
</body>
</html>

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Am I reading that right? Eddie George had NO TDs in his Oilers career?! I hope DD gets more than that! (GREAT GAME FOR HIM, BTW!) 5.something ypc is just gross!

Anyways, it was a good game, but when we lost a 14-0 lead, I knew that it wasn't going to be a good ending to the game. Even if we had managed to win it, we didn't deserve it. It was a good comeback rally by the Jets, even though it was ours to lose. Yes, the playcalling was too conservative in the second half (taking off only 1:30 on that one drive before their TD drive was HORRIBLE!). And yes AJ dropped a BULLET by Carr (my dad was arguing before this game that Carr might have all the tools necessary to become a great QB, but maybe not smart enough to use them all at the right times (sort of like Stevie)...this game sort of proved him right for now...).Still, you have to hand it to the Jets. They played a decent game.

[ima_drummer2k]

Originally posted by BobFinn*
That 3rd down run was what lost the game.

Absolutely Pathetic play calling!!!!
Exactly.

I've been defending Capers for a year and a half now, but not today. Establishing the run if fine, but you're supposed to do it to set up the pass. It's a cliche, but get the ball to your playmakers!! AJ only had 3 catches. :mad:

Oh well, at least we found our running back.

[Lil Francis]

Originally posted by ima_drummer2k
Exactly.

I've been defending Capers for a year and a half now, but not today. Establishing the run if fine, but you're supposed to do it to set up the pass. It's a cliche, but get the ball to your playmakers!! AJ only had 3 catches. :mad:

Oh well, at least we found our running back. Davis was getting 5yards everytime he touched the ball and on 3rd and 1 they put in Mack? Only thing Mack did was run right into 3 defenders instead of cutting back where there was a huge hole. And why didn't Palmer call some of those slip screens for Johnson like he was doing earlier in the season. He is almost impossible to bring down one on one.

[IROC it]

Originally posted by IROC it
Defense seems to be pumped whenever the offense handles their business.

(except in the secondary :rolleyes: )

Letting them get a big 1st on 3rd and 12 is a demoralizer... We need a pick, or a sack, or both...

And more points!

I sometimes hate being right. I shoulda shut up.:mad:

[Ric]

Originally posted by Jeff
The thing that irks me about today was that it looked like the old Oilers give it to Earl, give it to Earl, give it to Earl, punt.
a) i seem to remember pom-poms, playoffs and MVPs when the oilers gave it to earl, gave it to earl, gave it to earl... have we now determined that to have been a bad thing?

b) the jets entered the game 3rd in the AFC against the pass; 13th against the run. and they have a terrific pass rush. the texans took full advantage of new york's weakness and protected carr, who's thrown 8 picks in five games. further, why do you assume passing the ball would have worked? considering davis had 9 catches, all underneath as the 2nd and 3rd option, doesn't that kind of indicate the WRs weren't getting open down field?

c) why has no one in this thread bothered to mention the real culprits: our non-existent pass rush and unbelievably costly penalties? specifically, brown's unforgiveable offsides that negated a third down stop that would have left NY with a much more difficult 47-yard field goal when trying to make it 14-13. pitts also had a crucial offsides in jet territory and a holding call near the end of the half backed us up and forced capers to play conservatively.

offensively, the texans played well enough to win. the playcalling was fine; in fact, quite good. penalties hurt drives - not the playcalling.

and testaverde was given much too much time to throw. he also side-stepped pressure with far too much ease. the team misses payne and they miss glenn - their pass defense is abysmal.

[Raven Lunatic]

The ineffective pass rush is bothering me as well. I thought the main advantage of using the 4-3 defense was to get good pressure on the QB with the extra man? If we aren't getting much pressure, would it be in this team's best interest to switch to 3-4? Or perhaps just stick with it and draft a highly skilled defenseman who will excel in the 4-3? I don't really know that much about football, so anyone with real knowledge about this stuff, feel free to fill me in.

[MadMax]

there was one play on the Jet's last drive where vinny stood back in the pocket...and literally stood still...no movement at all for about 3 seconds...just waiting for someone to get open. just awful.

[DavidS]

Originally posted by Ric
a) i seem to remember pom-poms, playoffs and MVPs when the oilers gave it to earl, gave it to earl, gave it to earl... have we now determined that to have been a bad thing?


Don't you remember the results of the playoffs?

Don't you remember why the run-only offense failed?

Or, was the only thing you liked was just watching Campbell run, for the sake of running?

[rrj_gamz]

That totally sucked...Carr threw too hard as Andre was free...

[nWo34Life]

Damn, that was a laser he through at Andre...

Why did he do that? :confused:

[Lil Francis]

He said he was throwing it to Billy Miller but Miller had 2 Jets standing infront of him.