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redgoose
10-02-2003, 04:55 AM
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/2132101

"He'd sign with the Astros if the numbers were right," a source close to Pettitte said.



NEW YORK -- Yes, it has occurred to Andy Pettitte this might be his last start for the New York Yankees.

"I guess definitely it will be in my head," he said. "I would be lying saying that I wouldn't let it creep in there."

The Deer Park native was 22 years old when the Yankees first handed him the ball in the spring of 1995. At the time, the team hadn't made the playoffs in 15 years and the arrival of Pettitte and two other youngsters -- Mariano Rivera and Sterling Hitchcock -- offered hope that better days were ahead.

He got his first victory June 7 by going seven innings against the Oakland Athletics, turning a 2-1 lead over to the bullpen.

Afterward, plate umpire Dale Scott praised the lefthander for his poise and command.

A's manager Tony La Russa also must have been impressed. As Pettitte was sailing through the Oakland lineup, retiring 11 in a row at one point, La Russa interrupted the game and eventually was ejected for arguing ball and strike calls with Scott.

Pettitte saw the tactic for what it was.

"I was in a pretty good rhythm," he said, "and I'm sure he (La Russa) was trying to rattle me."

That was the first of 149 games Pettitte has won for the Yankees. He is ninth on the club's all-time wins list and is the first big-league pitcher since 1961 to win at least 12 games in each of his first eight seasons (1996-2003).

Along with Derek Jeter, Bernie Williams, Rivera and others, he helped usher the Yankees into a new era of dominance with five trips to the World Series and four championships in a six-year period.

Far from the days when Yankees fans wondered if their team would ever get back to the playoffs, Pettitte never has been on a team that didn't make the postseason.

Now as he takes the mound tonight in Game 2 of a first-round series against the Minnesota Twins, he has allowed himself a what-if or two.

His contract is up, and the Yankees have made no effort to re-sign him. After Pettitte's 21-8 season, it's unlikely Yankees owner George Steinbrenner would allow him to depart, but the mercurial owner has offered no hint as to his thinking.

Some industry sources believe Steinbrenner will allow Pettitte to test the free-agent market, which would allow the Astros or Rangers the opportunity to lure him closer to home.

"He'd sign with the Astros if the numbers were right," a source close to Pettitte said.

Pettitte, 31, said this is not the time to discuss next season.

"I've been able to set all that aside," he said. "I've been able to do it this whole season, and I want to continue to do it throughout this playoffs."

Whether his run with the Yankees ends now, it has played out better than he could have imagined.

"I could have never dreamed that I would have been able to have the success that I've had," he said. "I would never have dreamed that after nine years I would be sitting with close to 150 wins with the New York Yankees. I could not be happier with what I've been able to accomplish here."

He credits teammate Roger Clemens for introducing him to a grueling conditioning program that has made him stronger and given his fastball more velocity.

Yet, his teammates say Pettitte deserves a large chunk of the credit, that he has methodically learned the game, the umpires and how to persevere on the days when his stuff is less than dominant.

"I feel like over the last few years, my stuff has gotten better," he said. "I've been able to pitch a little bit differently."

For all his success, he has been one of the least known -- and perhaps one of the least appreciated -- Yankees.

For one thing, he never has taken on the role of No. 1 starter, either in terms of celebrity or expectations. There always has been a David Wells or a Clemens or a new free agent (Mike Mussina) getting more of the attention.

There's also the matter of his personality. As aggressive and as dominant as he is on the mound, Pettitte is quiet, polite and almost shy off it.

No tabloid headlines for this Yankee, and after every season he returns to a relatively quiet life in Houston.

What he has done is roll along, averaging 17 victories per year and establishing himself as one of the most consistent performers in the game.

"I think he is overlooked," Yankees manager Joe Torre said, "but he likes it that way. He's sort of shy and timid, and the fact that he's not the center of attention doesn't bother him. He's always been able to fly under the radar, so to speak. We've had David Cone here, of course David Wells, Clemens, a (new) free agent. Somebody always seemed to take on more importance than Andy. But he just enjoys the fact that he gets the ball every five days. It certainly is not a blow to his ego."

Pettitte went 8-1 the final six weeks of the season, but there were stretches early in the season when he struggled badly.

Between May 6 and June 14, he won one of seven starts and had a 6.63 ERA. Since a seven-inning, two-run victory over the Cardinals on June 14, he has been as good as ever and will be one of the most sought-after pitchers on this winter's free-agent market.

"Earlier this year he didn't have a plan," Torre said. "He was all over the place. And talking to (pitching coach) Mel (Stottlemyre), we had some conversations and it's easier for us to see what he's doing than for him to feel it. All of a sudden, he got back into that familiar feeling and got it back together. He knows how to do this stuff."


If the Astros were to sign Petitte i would have to believe it would take alot of the heat of Drayton for not doing what it takes to be a champion. We would finally have our own Big 3 with Petitte, the lefty, pitching between Oswalt and Miller.

rocks_fan
10-02-2003, 05:20 AM
Yeah but with Wagner probably saying goodbye because of his salary and the seemingly firm salary cap with raises due to Dotel and Oswalt among others, the numbers won't be right. It's a shame though he'd really help out our and eat some innings.

I like Drayton as a person, having met him several times, but I really doubt if he's the right type of person to run an MLB franchise. Fiscally responsible almost to the point of parsimony, he's used that to ammass a great deal of personal wealth and a successful business franchise. I just don't think that should carry over to the extent it does to the baseball world.

Who knows, he might open the wallet and make a run at Andy just like he surprised everyone and got Kent last offseason. I doubt it though.

Mr. Clutch
10-02-2003, 09:51 AM
Pettite has been riddled with injuries and inconsistent. He's a good pitcher, but not for the money he would command. I don't think we should spend our money on high priced veteran pitchers on the last few years of their careers.

We should get a center fielder- we should have gotten Juan Pierre this past year...but no, everyone said he could only hit at Coors...

Baqui99
10-02-2003, 10:33 AM
As much as I'd like to add another pitcher, this team is desperate for a leadoff and #2 hitter.

rrj_gamz
10-02-2003, 11:25 AM
We need another quality starting pitcher, but I'm not sure if he's the guy...

Groogrux
10-02-2003, 01:18 PM
As long as the contract wasn't too high, we'd be stupid not to want Pettitte.

redgoose
10-02-2003, 02:12 PM
I think with all the sluggers we've had over the years it's shown me one thing. Hitting doesn't get you to the WS, (Exept for last year), pitching does. Our best years were the ones where we had the likes of Hampton, Kyle, Lima, Johnson, etc.

The Rangers have plenty of bats but always finish last.

Good pitching beats good hitting. I'd rather add a good starting pitcher anyday of the week than another hitter. And Pettite is a proven 20 game winner. Add to that nobody in the NL has really seen his stuff. Guys like RJ and Colon dominated when they came over from the AL to the NL.

I just don't see any other stud pitchers lining up to play for us. It seems like one All Star calibar player every year mentions he wants to play in Houston and we don't usually capitalize on bringing him in.

Nick
10-02-2003, 03:53 PM
IMHO.... the Yankees would be stupid not to re-sign this guy. (and, thus, he probably will re-sign with them).

ESource
10-02-2003, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by rrj_gamz
We need another quality starting pitcher, but I'm not sure if he's the guy...
Grant Wagner his wish, trade Hidalgo, put Lane in his place, AND sign FA Bartolo Colon..........

Uprising
10-02-2003, 07:52 PM
I didnt want to start a new thread for this....
Some news about Oswalt and Lane:

Oswalt, Lane slated for surgery next week
Associated Press

Astros right-hander Roy Oswalt and outfielder Jason Lane are set to have surgery next week for different ailments.

Oswalt will undergo groin surgery next Wednesday in Philadelphia and Lane will have a hernia repaired in Massachusetts the following day, Houston general manager Gerry Hunsicker said Thursday.

Oswalt, 26, was 10-5 with a 2.97 ERA in 21 starts this season. He spent extended time on the disabled list because of the groin injury.

Lane, 26, hit .296 with four home runs and 10 RBI in 18 games. He spent much of the season with Triple-A New Orleans.

The team's doctor, David Lintner, will assist with both surgeries. The Astros said both players are expected to be ready for spring training next February.

BALLhog 247 365
10-02-2003, 07:55 PM
adam everett also had surgery

rocketfan83
10-02-2003, 09:45 PM
Wouldnt anybody sign with anybody if the numbers were right?

redgoose
10-02-2003, 09:57 PM
Jeff Kent wouldn't have signed with the Giants if the numbers were right.

In most cases your right. But there are a good number of cases where the player just has a desire to play where he grew up, near his family, in California, etc.

Timing
10-02-2003, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by rocketfan83
Wouldnt anybody sign with anybody if the numbers were right?


Doh! Best post in the whole thread.

PhiSlammaJamma
10-03-2003, 09:57 AM
Like they said last night, how are we possibly going to have better numbers than the yankees. It's completely irrevelant. The only way he plays in texas is if he wants to. NY has the money.

Sister Ray
10-03-2003, 08:45 PM
I think that the only way the Astros sign a big name free agent pitcher is if they have Texas ties and want to be here since Minute Maid is the ninth circle of pitching hell. So, I think it is reasonable to go after Pettite for a $60 million deal that Justice was talking about. The Astros need a lot of things, but they need starting pitching before they need anything else. If we can get a top of the line ace to go along with Roy Oswalt, Tim Redding and Wade Miller than it opens up a lot of options for the team. They can free up salary and add some young talent by trading Billy Wagner and Hidalgo and probably be more competitive while cutting some payroll. Think the Boston Red Sox wouldn't love to have a hammer like Wagner in the bullpen? Make them take Hidalgo to go along with Wagner for some of those bats and someone like Jeff Suppan (if he is not a free agent). Dream casting, I know, but the Astros need to shake up the team drastically, especially with the Texans and Rockets looking to take over the attention of the town for the next few years.

DoitDickau
10-03-2003, 09:46 PM
maybe greg maddux will want to come back to his home state.

Houstonrocketss
10-04-2003, 11:21 AM
The translates like this: Do not care what the team does as long as I get paid.

No thanks.

Stickfigure
10-08-2003, 11:15 AM
Now that Hidalgo has started to show some of the value he showed a couple years ago during his monster season, I'd say he's a keeper. But Dotel can probably handle closing duties himself, with Lidge as the 8th inning setup man. If your starting pitching is good enough, you don't need lights-out relievers for the 7th inning.

What would y'all say to a trade of Wagner to Boston for Byung-Hyun Kim and Jeff Suppan? Kim could be used either as a starter or reliever (in any case, he burned his bridges in Boston when he flipped off the fans recently), and Suppan seemed to have more success in the NL with the Pirates, plus he's an innings-eater.

Oski2005
10-08-2003, 12:11 PM
Pettitte has won at least 12 games a year since 1995, how is that inconsistant? We could use him. I though he was saying he'd come home for the right price, even if it's less than what the Yankees offer.

A-Train
10-08-2003, 12:22 PM
Forget about Pettitte...

Trade Wagner, then open up the wallet for Tejada. The Astros have the pitching. It's their hitting that failed them this season...

DaDakota
10-08-2003, 12:29 PM
A-train.....

Pitching WINS in the post season, and it gets you there.

I would rather have Petitt then Tejada.

DD

A-Train
10-08-2003, 12:42 PM
The pitching didn't completely shut down for weeks at a time last season. There were way too many Astrodome-esque scores...

SamCassell
10-08-2003, 01:25 PM
Pitching wins in the postseason, true, but it's the Astro bats that have consistantly failed when it's come playoff time. Given the choice between Pettite and Tejada, I'd take Tejada any day.

Pettite is an average pitcher whose 4.02 ERA wouldn't have won him 20 games anywhere else besides with the Yankees. He gave up way too many hits to be considered a top-of-the-line pitcher, and he's going to command top dollar on the open market. With the Astros, he'd win maybe 13-14 games if he has a similar season to last year.

Tejada, on the other hand, would be the best shortstop in the National League. He'd represent a huge OPS increase over Adam Everett and provide the team with a young MVP-caliber player.

My guess, though, is the Stros will sign neither guy and pretty much maintain the status quo for next season. If they trade Wagner it'll be a salary-dump move, not to pick up another guy.

Oski2005
10-08-2003, 02:35 PM
Bill Gates needs to just buy this team already.

Sister Ray
10-08-2003, 07:02 PM
Tejada would be nice, but he's not exactly Mr. Playoffs, either. Tejada to the Anaheim Angels?

redgoose
10-08-2003, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by Sister Ray
Tejada would be nice, but he's not exactly Mr. Playoffs,

I guess that's why everyone wants him. He'd be a perfect fit in the middle of the lineup with Bags and Biggio. They could go a collective 0-12 every playoff game.

eric.81
10-08-2003, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by SamCassell
If they trade Wagner it'll be a salary-dump move, not to pick up another guy.

I think wags can bring in some talent, whether we get to dump salary in the process.

Refman
10-08-2003, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by eric.81
I think wags can bring in some talent, whether we get to dump salary in the process.
Maybe we could trade him in a slary dump move to free up money to go after a quality SP.

RiceRocket1
10-09-2003, 12:53 AM
I can't believe this many people wnat Tejada. Talk about choking in the playoffs...

A-Train
10-09-2003, 09:34 AM
Well, even with this postseason performance, he still has a higher average, better slugging percentage than both Bagwell and Biggio, seven more extra base hits in the postseason that Bagwell and Biggio combined, and 3 more RBIs than those two combined. He also has the same number of post season strikeouts as Bagwell despite 39 more at bats...So he obviously couldn't be any worse than those two.

Of course, a blind midget with a prosthetic leg wouldn't be worse than Bagwell and Biggio in the postseason...

Nomar
10-10-2003, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by A-Train
Of course, a blind midget with a prosthetic leg wouldn't be worse than Bagwell and Biggio in the postseason...

Well a blind midget couldn't see the ball to hit it.

loadedAballer
10-11-2003, 06:18 PM
Colon or Petite sounds good. I wonder if Javier Vazquez is also available.

If Reynolds is available at a bargain price. I'd bring him back.

Imagine:

Oswalt
Miller
Colon or Petite or Vazquez
Redding or Reyonolds
Robertson

Let's do what the A's do and solidify the starting rotation and with the leftover crumbs ($), whoever the GM is, let's hope he's creative enough to land a solid bat and speed to the line-up.

Cubs did not win Central standing put. Although the Stros implosion at the close was critical.