2004 NFL Draft

[Alimoe84]

Assuming that the Texans have a top 5 pick (which is likely) what position should they go after? Last year I wanted Boss Bailey to replace Stevens, but we went for a Tight End...a few weeks later signing Billey miller to a 4 year extension. Who are the top 5 players in the 2004 draft and what positon should we try to upgrade? I like Tommy Harris out of OU, but a rookie would get killed in that 3-4 scheme. Kevin Jones out of Virginia Tech could be just what we need. His running ability could open up the passing game. How about Go with Roy Williams and Carr can sit in the Shotgun all day :) I know it's a little early to be discussing the '04 draft, but after yesterday's game I noticed how good this team could be in a couple of years. I wanna know what you all think. And if you think this a stupid post...just dont respond. Thanks.

[JPM0016]

i'll let you know in about 3 months

all depends on the teams weaknesses which will take the full 16 games to really figure out

[Lil Francis]

Sean Taylor,Tommie Harris, Marlon Jackson, Kevin Jones, Vince Wilfork, and Steven Jackson are the ones to scout and keep your eye on for the Texans.

[ima_drummer2k]

Defense, defense, defense. If the draft were today, I'd go after that safety from Miami. In fact, after watching Portis last year and AJ this year, let's just draft all Miami players. :D

[Nomar]

Greg Jones from FSU?

[nWo34Life]

Why hasn't anyone mentioned to fix the OL? I would try to grab a guard or tackle w/ the 1st pick so we can get that line revamped.

[Nick]

I think the Texans will go with defense... either a big lineman, or a shut-down cornerback. (Glenn and Coleman will be one year older next year).

I think the O-line is starting to gel a little... they've definitly held up better than last year.

[Jared Novak]

Originally posted by nWo34Life
Why hasn't anyone mentioned to fix the OL? I would try to grab a guard or tackle w/ the 1st pick so we can get that line revamped.

Probably because a rookie in the OL is something no one wants to see, unless he is an OL in the mold of Orlando Pace or Tony Boselli.

IMO, I think the Texans need to address the OL via free agency.

Its still early in the college season,I'm pretty sure there are players who will emerge and be great pick-ups in the later rounds.

[nWo34Life]

Originally posted by Jared Novak
Probably because a rookie in the OL is something no one wants to see, unless he is an OL in the mold of Orlando Pace or Tony Boselli.

IMO, I think the Texans need to address the OL via free agency.

Its still early in the college season,I'm pretty sure there are players who will emerge and be great pick-ups in the later rounds.

Well, we might be high in the draft to pick someone like a Orlando Pace or Boselli.

[Jared Novak]

Originally posted by nWo34Life
Well, we might be high in the draft to pick someone like a Orlando Pace or Boselli.

Not unless one emerges this college season, and even if one did, and the Texans have a top five pick, knowing they can still draft that guy a few spots lower, it would behoove them to trade down (if they find a deal).

IMHO, it would be better to have an experienced veteran come in on the line, rather than a rookie.

[eric.81]

Originally posted by Jared Novak
Not unless one emerges this college season, and even if one did, and the Texans have a top five pick, knowing they can still draft that guy a few spots lower, it would behoove them to trade down (if they find a deal).

IMHO, it would be better to have an experienced veteran come in on the line, rather than a rookie.

agreed!! I think our top two picks should be (as stated earlier) a D-Lineman and a cornerback. I would love to get a big, honkin DT like the ones we ran into this past weekend. Watching the Jacksonville game, I couldn't help but drool over the thought of Marcus Stroud or John Henderson as the nose tackle in our 3-4.

As for our corners, I think Kenny Wright is a really good 3rd (NOT a starter) corner, so if we retain all three this offseason we could draft a cornerback prospect in the 2nd round and let him get seasoned under those veterans.

BTW, anyone know how Aaron Glenn is? He didn't play much of the game on Sunday but I haven't heard anything since he went out? I guess that's good news? Anyone?

[sweetie]

draft Roy Williams. Trade Gaffney and picks for a middle 1st rounder to get Maurice Clarett
or plan B

Draft Oly Manning(better than Peyton,whose is better than Carr)

then trade carr for clarett + experience off linemen from same team

[fatman510]

Originally posted by sweetie
draft Roy Williams. Trade Gaffney and picks for a middle rounder to get Maurice Clarett
or plan B

Draft Oly Manning(better than Peyton,whose is better than Carr)

then trade carr for clarett + experience off linemen from same team

or just simply,trade down to get Clarett + a exp off linemen from that team
Ely Manning is not better than Carr or Peyton
I'll keep David thank you very much

[Jared Novak]

Originally posted by sweetie
draft Roy Williams. Trade Gaffney and picks for a middle 1st rounder to get Maurice Clarett
or plan B

Draft Oly Manning(better than Peyton,whose is better than Carr)

then trade carr for clarett + experience off linemen from same team

I like the idea of drafting Roy Williams, however, the greatest need for the Texans is defense.

Gaffney has shown tremendous upside these first four games, and has shown that he can be the #1A option out there with Andre Johnson.

Clarett will be lucky to even go in the first round. There are too many character issues, injury issues, and whether or not he can take the beating that NFL defenses are going to give him. His best bet is to play more college ball and get more experience, get bigger and stronger and prove the detractors wrong.

Eli Manning is one of those tweener blue chip prospects, he has the arm and the accuracy, but something about him irks me, can't quite put my finger on it. However, at this stage of the game, I'll take everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

I know this a basketball website, but football teams seldom make trade after trade after trade. Most of the time it is picks that are traded for picks, or a disgruntled/pot-stirrer/clubhouse cancer that gets traded away.

[Joshfast]

Originally posted by sweetie
draft Roy Williams. Trade Gaffney and picks for a middle 1st rounder to get Maurice Clarett
or plan B

Draft Oly Manning(better than Peyton,whose is better than Carr)

then trade carr for clarett + experience off linemen from same team

Real GM has a football website!?! :p

[codell]

Who is Oly Manning??? Is that the little known, illegitimate 3rd son of Archie, who is kept chained in the closet, like Sloth from The Goonies???

[tierre_brown]

With a top 10 pick, we should go after Sean Taylor or a defensive lineman, not an OL guy. You can pick those up in later rounds; no need to squander it in the first. At any rate, I think Taylor from Miami is the best bet, seeing how McCree works out. Getting a CB in the 2nd/3rd round sounds good, with the 4-7 rounds being focused on the OL. Unless there's someone who REALLY stands out this year on the offensive side of the ball, I think we're set at QB, RB, and WR, for the most part.

[Lil Francis]

Originally posted by tierre_brown
With a top 10 pick, we should go after Sean Taylor or a defensive lineman, not an OL guy. You can pick those up in later rounds; no need to squander it in the first. At any rate, I think Taylor from Miami is the best bet, seeing how McCree works out. Getting a CB in the 2nd/3rd round sounds good, with the 4-7 rounds being focused on the OL. Unless there's someone who REALLY stands out this year on the offensive side of the ball, I think we're set at QB, RB, and WR, for the most part. I agree with you about Sean Taylor. He is the most exciting DB in college football since Charles Woodson. I think he will be a Pro Bowler by his second season.

[Shotcaller]

no way the Texans use a 1-2nd round pick on either a OL or RB ..... they will go after DB or DL .... Its been obvious that the weak link for us is 1. Matt Stevens at FS & 2. our depth along the deffensive line..... I think with Hollings and Davis the Texans are set with the RB's * assuming they continue there progress*.... I dont think they take a TE... shouldnt get a QB. But has evidence with last years draft they seem to take the best player thats left where there pick comes up. We also should get extra picks with the trading of Hensons rights..... Wouldnt be surprised if we take a WR in 3rd or 4th round...they have been putting in Marcus Coleman is some situations because they believe that after AJ,Corey, and Jabar there is a huge drop in quality of talent at WR.... Vic was upset that the Texans didnt draft more Deffensive players in last years draft...this year I think he gets some quality first day *1-3rd round* picks.... how about Vasher? maybe move Marcus to FS??? ahh this is fun...long way to go... 1 more thing I wouldnt be surpised if we draft in the 6-10 position.... but we are a top 10 lock .... I see atlest Arizona,Bengals,Chicago, & Jax being at or below us at the end of the year... few other teams like Jets,Chargers look like they are in for a long season also....

[Preston27]

Later rounds B.J. Symons might be a good pickup. He reads the field well and can throw downfield effectively. First few rounds though, one word: DEFENSE! The offense is coming together, AJ is a stud, maybe on pace for a rookie of the year award (and possibly pro-bowl appearance). Carr is the Texans quarterback solidly. The rookie RB they have is showing some skills, I forget his name. Only thing on the offense that needs serious help is the offensive line, which I agree should be adressed through free agency.

[sonique15]

will definitely be a defensive player (please be a safety)

[SamFisher]

I think in the first three rounds, preferably somehow the first two (maybe with a Henson pick?), we need

1. DB (I'd prefer a lockdown corner and move coleman to safety)
1. (tie)DL (anybody, DT, DE, it doesn't matter, get a DT and play him at end)
3. OL (we need the depth, they're an injury or 2 away from chaos again)

A top running back would be nice, but RB's, they bloom early and burn out fast, so you might as well get a top one later rather than sooner.

[tierre_brown]

OL guys you can get in later rounds, and they turn out ok. Chester Pitts went 4th round and he's turned out to be a very good fill-in for Boselli.

I definitely think we go D, preferably secondary first, then DL, unless there's a behemoth on the DL we can't miss on (don't know any off the top of my head). Sean Taylor seems NFL ready, impact player in his first year (this coming from a Miami hater!). I'd consder a lot of CBs too: Vasher would probably be a good cover CB; Gamble could play both offense and defense if they're worried about WRs. I think our pick will be from 4-7 so that stud DB should still be available.

Edit- Apparently, Pitts went 3rd. My bad.

[JamesC]

I wondered what the Texans would do if they could somehow trade Drew Henson's rights for a top 5 pick. As far as what players they would target, we'll have to wait for the Combine.

[land_sharks]

Originally posted by JamesC
I wondered what the Texans would do if they could somehow trade Drew Henson's rights for a top 5 pick. As far as what players they would target, we'll have to wait for the Combine.

I wouldn't spend too much time thinking about....





It's not going to happen. Never in One Million years.

[egn]

Originally posted by tierre_brown
Edit- Apparently, Pitts went 3rd. My bad.


Your bad again!

Pitts went in the 2nd round

[ima_drummer2k]

Originally posted by eric.81
BTW, anyone know how Aaron Glenn is? He didn't play much of the game on Sunday but I haven't heard anything since he went out? I guess that's good news? Anyone?
His groin would have kept him out this week if we didn't have a bye. He should be back at 100% against the titans. Heard it on 610 this morning.

There's no reason the Texans should take any offensive players in the first 3 rounds IMO. We need a stud safety and a stud D-lineman.

AJ and Gaffney are just going to get better every year. The line is starting to gel and Seth Wand should be ready to go next year. We drafted Jopru at TE. Davis and Hollings will only get better at RB. And please don't draft anymore QB's...

I still don't get that Ragone pick. :confused:

[egn]

D.J. Williams - LB University of Miami - could play weakside or in the middle alongside Jamie Sharper for a nasty combo. Has an incredible combination of speed, size and field awareness.

Sean Taylor - University of Miami - Has great size at 6'3" 220 plus lbs. Good speed and has shown great playmaking ability. Still and underclassman but may go mid to late first round.

Vince Wilfork - University of Miami - Decent size at 6'2" but with his low center of gravity at 340 plus pounds and great strength Vince would be and ideal fit for the Texans at the nose tackle position in Dom's 34 defense. Also like teammate Sean Taylor, Wilfork is still just a junior.


IMO, I feel as if the Texans will try to draft Wilfork (if he opts for NFL) or D.J. Williams. If Henson can get us a low first round pick I feel Taylor (if he opts for NFL) may be attainable with that pick.

I'd like to see us get a corner but I think there are bigger holes to fill. Maybe we could steal a corner in the early second round such as Vasher, Gamble, or Strait that could spend a little time learning from one of the best cover corners in Aaron Glenn while he's still in a Texans uniform.

Players I also like:
Frank Gore RB
Teddy Lehman LB
Tommie Harris DT

[4chuckie]

Originally posted by Jared Novak
Clarett will be lucky to even go in the first round. There are too many character issues, injury issues, and whether or not he can take the beating that NFL defenses are going to give him. His best bet is to play more college ball and get more experience, get bigger and stronger and prove the detractors wrong.

When did character issues matter in the NFL? (See Randy Moss)
Injuries? (See Maghee)
Durability? (He runs like a NFL back, low and hard. It's easier to teach a guy to avoid a hit then to run hard)

If Clarett wins his case and if he tests out ok in the 40 someone will take him very early. He is a weightroom beast (benchs over 450 lbs, squatting 700 lbs which isn't bad for a 19 y/o). Doesn't have ideal size (5-9). Only question is his speed. If he hits 4.4-4.55 he'll go early. But the speed is the question.

[rocketfan83]

Roy Williams anybody? Ya it is obviously not a need but I think it is something that they should consider. Think about the Minnesota Vikings of the late 90's with Carter and Moss that offense was unbelievable. With AJ and Roy they could have results similar to teams like that plus it would last longer. 2 superstar recivers has been done but I dont believe there has been a team built around two youthful superstar recivers. Carr, Dre, Roy together would be the #'1 offense in the NFL for a very long time. I would defintely be tempted to draft Roy but I have a feeling that he will be gone by the time the Texans pick. My guess is that Sean Taylor is the next player taken in the draft by the texans.

[Jared Novak]

When did character issues matter in the NFL? (See Randy Moss)

Yeah but Moss has a talent for making big plays, and has proved himself on the professional level.

Injuries? (See Maghee)

McGahee would've been a top three pick if he had not gotten hurt, hell with the way it sounded, he could've been a Texan.

Durability? (He runs like a NFL back, low and hard. It's easier to teach a guy to avoid a hit then to run hard)

Doesn't every RB run low and hard. Clarett still has to mature physically, he's only 19 or 20.

If Clarett wins his case and if he tests out ok in the 40 someone will take him very early. He is a weightroom beast (benchs over 450 lbs, squatting 700 lbs which isn't bad for a 19 y/o). Doesn't have ideal size (5-9). Only question is his speed. If he hits 4.4-4.55 he'll go early. But the speed is the question.

There are alot of GM's who will be wary of Clarett. There are plenty of workout beasts who can lift the whole gym, but that doesn't necessarily translate onto the field. If his speed is questionable, then thats a huge question. If he doesn't have explosiveness (which I didn't see a whole lot of last season), then he'll drop even further.

[rockets-#1]

Originally posted by ima_drummer2k
Defense, defense, defense. If the draft were today, I'd go after that safety from Miami. In fact, after watching Portis last year and AJ this year, let's just draft all Miami players. :D

Yeah my thoughts exactly....but the list just goes on and on - for example, McGahee.

[egn]

Originally posted by 4chuckie
Injuries? (See Maghee)

Tearing knee ligaments is not as bad of and injury as it once was. Even serious tears such as MaGahee's a player may only be out for a year. But unlike MaGahee, Clarett did not tear his knee. What Clarett does have is shoulder problems. Shoulder problems in todays NFL are more serious than torn knee ligaments. Case in point: Tony Boselli. Not that Clarett would take that kind of pounding, but, as an NFL running back you're going to get yours. IMO, many teams will pass on Clarett in 2005 because of his durability.

[4chuckie]

Originally posted by egn
Tearing knee ligaments is not as bad of and injury as it once was. Even serious tears such as MaGahee's a player may only be out for a year. But unlike MaGahee, Clarett did not tear his knee. What Clarett does have is shoulder problems. Shoulder problems in todays NFL are more serious than torn knee ligaments. Case in point: Tony Boselli. Not that Clarett would take that kind of pounding, but, as an NFL running back you're going to get yours. IMO, many teams will pass on Clarett in 2005 because of his durability.

No doubt teams will pass on him in 2005, he'll be in a 2004 draft (maybe regular maybe supplemental) :)

[egn]

No way this process is done and ready to have him in the 2004 Draft. Hence my implement of 2005.

[egn]

The NFL will fight this rule will all of their might. They may not win but they will certainly drag on the court process as long as possible.

[ESource]

Originally posted by Alimoe84
Last year I wanted Boss Bailey to replace Stevens, but we went for a Tight End...
Stevens is a free safety. Boss Bailey is an OLB. Although Boss is fast, he is NOT a safety. Best bet for a safety for next year's draft is Sean Taylor, FS, Miami 'Canes.........

[rezdawg]

Its all about Sean Taylor.

I say go all defense. Build the O-line through free agency.

[4chuckie]

Originally posted by egn
No way this process is done and ready to have him in the 2004 Draft. Hence my implement of 2005.

Hence me saying supplemental draft. All it will take is him winning the initial verdict, the NFL can appeal but they can't block the initial ruling the way it was explained on Columbus radio. That means if he wins the initial verdict the NFL would have to immediately make him eligible and for some reason (I am not a lawyer) but in these cases an appeal can't delay his right (maybe it's anti-trust maybe it's right to work I dunno for sure).

Also the trial is set to take place in February 2004.

[ima_drummer2k]

Originally posted by rezdawg
Its all about Sean Taylor.

I say go all defense. Build the O-line through free agency.
Ditto. We went offense for the most part with our first 2 drafts. It's time to go defense. Weary, Pitts, Wand and Brown were all good picks. Same with Hollings, Davis, Gaf and AJ. They all just need time.

We don't need Roy Williams as much as we need Sean Taylor.

BTW, am I the only one who is tired of hearing about Maurice Clarett?

[kmbwa]

Taylor looks to be an awesome player and Clarett should become LJ's chauffeur.

Keeping the luv with Miami players: make sure you keep an eye on Wilfork DT as you scout the Hurricanes. If Taylor is gone or our injuries continue on the DL, he could be a mountain of a pick.