Commentary gents? I realize the thread sort of hearkens towards National Enquirer sensationalism, but that's just the title of the article. I do think that several salient points are brought out though. Vox Day WorldnetDaily Exclusive Commentary Hitler and Hillary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: August 18, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com Until Herschel's discovery of Uranus in 1781, it was considered a matter of certainty that there were six planets. But the fact that everyone knew this to be true did not make it so. In like manner, college students and other insufferable connoisseurs of all human wisdom "know" that the historical Nazi Party epitomizes the extreme right-wing. It is informative to first note an academic definition of communism: "A social, political and economic system characterized by the revolutionary struggle to create a society which has an absence of classes, and the common ownership of the means of production and subsistence and centralized governmental control over the economy." And yet, the definition of its supposed opposite, by the same academic source, is rather different. "Nazism: The ideology and policies of Adolf Hitler and his National Socialist German Worker's Party from 1921 to 1945." Isn't it a strange sort of opposite that claims to be a socialist worker's party, as opposed to, well, a socialist worker's party? Consider 13 of the most relevant points from the Nazi Party's 25-point program of 1920, its Munich manifesto: 7. We demand that the State shall make it its first duty to promote the industry and livelihood of the citizens of the State. 10. The activities of the individual must not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed within the framework of the community and must be for the general good. 11. Abolition of incomes unearned by work. Breaking of the thraldom of interest. 13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been amalgamated. 14. We demand that there shall be profit sharing in the great industries. 15. We demand a generous development of provision for old age. 17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the confiscation without compensation of land for communal purposes, the abolition of interest on land mortgages, and prohibition of all speculation in land. 18. We demand ruthless war upon all those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. 20. The schools must aim at teaching the pupil to understand the idea of the State. We demand the education of specially gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State. 21. The State must apply itself to raising the standard of health in the nation ... 23. We demand legal warfare against conscious political lies and their dissemination in the press. In order to facilitate the creation of a German national press…. It must be forbidden to publish newspapers which are damaging to the national welfare. 24. We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it. The Party ... does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. 25. That all the foregoing requirements may be realized we demand the creation of a strong central national authority; unconditional authority of the central legislative body over the entire Reich and its organizations in general; These supposedly right-wing extremists were calling for national health care, social security, state-run schools, communal land development and centralized government control. They were determined advocates of gun control. And if they did not believe it took a village to raise a child, they were certainly enthusiastic about public youth programs. And then there were the complaints about vast conspiracies in the private press. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? While some argue that the National Socialists became "conservative" as a result of their rapprochement with the great German industrialists following the final defeat of the Strasser wing of the party in late 1932, this conveniently skates over the fact that a) the 12 years concerned represents half of the Nazi Party's lifetime, and, b) Many elements of the avowedly socialist 1920 program were retained after 1933 when the National Socialists took power. Once in power, Vladimir Lenin, too, made capitalistic compromises with his New Economic Program, but this somehow never caused him to be defined as a man of the Right. The National Socialists were not as radically left as the Soviet Communists, nor are most American Democrats as far left as were the National Socialists. But an examination of their ideological cores reveals the undeniable philosophical kinship between these three parties of the Left. Perhaps the Democratic Party should consider a new battle cry should their most famous face decide to enter the presidential race in 2004. Sieg Hillary! http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34148
Interesting title choice for the article. Apparently the only tie to Hillary here is that she is a Democrat and her name starts with an H. Score one for alliteration. Obviously, it's one of those breathless paranoia pieces both sides are guilty of producing, but I'll let some of the more politically astute (and verbose) posters have the fun of dissecting it point by point.
The title is certain to create a backlash... having said that...ultimately the far left and the far right take you the exact same place...tyranny. Haven't we already seen that?
I think you're right, but I have a feeling that Rhino titled it this way in response to the 'Republican Satan-worshippers' thread. As such, I think the title is fine. Otherwise it's a little too divisive for my tastes.
Actually, Rhino was only repeating the article's actual title, and that's my problem with it. Somewhere, there's an editor that actually let that piece go to press with that title -- based on only the flimsiest shred of a relationship between the two. There is no mention of Hillary in the entire piece except in the last throwaway line about if she runs in 2004 (which everyone already knows she isn't). I'm not offended by Rhino's repetition of it, I'm just disturbed by the bad journalism that went into coming up with it in the first place.
And in our system, the left and right are both really just bought and paid for by different groups of big money interests. Either side can take you to tyranny and opression, they just have different paths to get you there.
I skimmed the article previously and didn't see that it was the title of the source. A few things in the article are interesting and I've wondered how much left-wing the Nazis had in them (bruoght to my attention by their name). The reference to Hillary is ridiculous. Hmmm...maybe Vox Day hangs out at clutchcity.
You rookie, junior, clown, sport, simpleton, I am disgusted and deeply shocked that you would call this Christian American woman and mother a Nazi just because she is a Demcorat. I think that you should apologize to all the mothers of America, who you have disgraced with this post, rookie. It is a slander and total disrepect to the Holocaust and 6,000, 000 dead Jews as well as the couple of hundred thousand young Americans who were killed fighting In WW II to say this. It is deeply offensive to Christians that you would equate this Christian woman with Hitler. Accusing people of being Nazis? Sickening. Why don't you just accuse them of being in the Klan or of being child molesters while you are at it. This thread should be locked, if for no other reason than the outrageous title. I call upon the administrators to ban this poster for all time. Yawn. Yet another example of conservatives lying. Next. Game set, match.
Disturbed by bad journalism? by Vox Day in the World News Daily! How shocking! Shocking that a bunch of right wing cranks for some no name internet newspaper practice bad journalism! Any article that starts off "Until Herschel discovered Uranus" pretty much clues you in that it is not a serious piece.
whoever wrote this piece nothing zero about history and zero about the differences between communism and facism... He also certainly didn't do a lick of research or he wouldnt of been confused as to why the "socialist" in National Socialist German Worker's Party isn't the same "socialist" that we think of today when we hear that term. Right-wingers cry foul that a SF paper correctly said that Military bonuses wouldn't be kept at the levels they currently are, but some some moron who probably has never taken a poly sci or history course in his life starts trying to call Democrats facist? Comparing Hillary to Hitler? You want to talk about desperate.
how Hitler and Hillary are similar 1. both about 5'3 2. neither has or had two balls 3. both had or have a small moustache 4. both had or have thick ankles that's about where the comparison ends the author would have more luck if he compared Tom DeLay and his ilk, since he's the head of the brownshirts
What would you expect from WorldNetDaily? Anyone who takes anything from that site as truth probably watches the Jerry Springer Show for news on current events. What makes be laugh is the "right wing"s unbelievable and hystrionic obsession with Bill and Hillary Clinton....even after they have been out of the White House for 3 years! Perhaps they are trying to distract attention from the ineptitude of their puppet that currently occupies the White House.
I'm actually not familiar with World News Daily, so I was going on the assumption that they were a legitimate (albiet clearly biased) news/opinion source. However, judging by everyone's reaction, I may have been too generous in that assesment.
The article was written by a guy who calls himself Vox Day. If you haven't clicked on the link to see his photo, it's worth the trip. Everyone has had a nerd like this in their college classes, the guy who is soooooooo deep, at least he thinks he is. He kind of reminds me of the Chris Kattan skits on Goths. Azariel, or something like that.
It's the Pavlov's Dog effect. Each time Rush says the word "Clinton" on his show, listeners around the country begin to drool on themselves. It's great for the drycleaning industry.
Predictable response to another garbage thread entitled 'Conservatives: The New Stalinists'. (Insert *shudder* and "Hell's Bells" by Ac/Dc)
The bible code clearly states that Hitler would come back in the form of a female moderate democrate and would quickly take over the world in the 21st century. Notradamus also mentioned that a female moderate democrate of the 20th and 21st century would enjoy rafting----an obvious and correct prediction of whitewater.
This is silly. He's essentially battling over semantic turf. He wants to make the "left" take the communists [and[/i] the Nazis. WTF does it matter? Even if we were to concede that the Nazis were left (which is (1) stupid, and (2) out of place, considering the comparison between contemporary US politics with European politics over a half-century old), that still doesn't make a lick of differenceto what H. Clinton is about. She's evil on her own merits. The logic looks something like this: The Communists were left. The Communists wanted a strong central government. The Nazis wanted a strong central government. Therefore, the Nazis were left. The Nazis were evil. Hillary is left. Therefore, Hillary is evil.
