We should have NEVER TRADED - RICHARD JEFFERSON for EG [Archive]

Luckyazn

06-25-2003, 05:37 PM

With all these talk about trading EG DO YOU GUYS THINK WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT RJ INSTEAD? I think we would have been a better team with RJ .. HE seems more INTENSE and we dont have players of his style who cuts and drives to the basket with a good shooting touch too. but then MO would have been our PF ?????

land_sharks

06-25-2003, 05:41 PM

BANG!!!!

I just shot myself!

verse

06-25-2003, 05:42 PM

rj = shandn andersn w/more athleticism

you seem to be underestimating the greatness of jason kidd. in fact, i'd be more than glad to place a friendly $20 cc.net tip jar bet that rj's #s go down next year if jason kidd leaves...specifically his field goal percentage. you game?

Joshfast

06-25-2003, 05:43 PM

It takes alot for me to come out of lurk mode, please stop this insanity......close registration!!

;)

Hindsight is 20/20 i think..

R0ckets03

06-25-2003, 05:44 PM

RJ has a jump shot? :rolleyes:

Guys like Stockton and Kidd can make Shandon, Byron, RJ and Kenyon seem like all stars. All they have to do is run and the great pg's like Kidd and Stockton will find em.

steddinotayto

06-25-2003, 05:46 PM

apparently you didn't have any 'luck' in your 1st post huh?

Toast

06-25-2003, 05:48 PM

Richard who?

Oh, you mean that guy who showed up for 1 game in the finals ;)

During the finals, I decided I dislike him. He was on that "hot seat" interview before game 4 (I think it was game 4). They asked him something like, "If it weren't for a draft-day trade, you'd be playing with Yao Ming and the Houston Rockets right now ..."

Richard whats-his-name responded, "Thaaaaaaaaank Go.....er, I mean, they have a great thing going on over there, but the New Jersey fans have been really supportive of me since day one."

:mad: :mad: :mad:

Drexlerfan22

06-25-2003, 05:58 PM

Another EG-RJ thread? I think I'm gonna cry.

couch_pot8o

06-25-2003, 06:01 PM

HERE WE GO AGAIN!! oh god! im sick of this peeps crying and whining about richard jefferson and eddie griffin trade! even if RJ is here, he wont be that good coz we dont have JASON KIDD!! plus, if he IS that good without any help from KIDD, do you think we have a chance on pickin up yao?! so shut all yall whining and beeyotching around and stop crying about something in the past! live right now for god sakes! :mad: :mad: :mad:

AroundTheWorld

06-25-2003, 06:03 PM

I wish I could not only lock this thread but also kick the thread starter's "%"%".

jev5555

06-25-2003, 06:07 PM

You're right RJ is a good player. However, what will happen to him when Kidd leaves? The trade happened for a reason. At the time we already had a 2 and we were only being puppets and drafting what New Jersey wanted. This was definately premeditated as The Rox could have settled their debt with Memphis by giving them one of our 3 picks. That was their biggest mistake because we just could've had a shot at nabbing Chris Thomas this year...probably the best pass first point guards in the draft. RJ has trouble creating his own at times...something he will improve upon as time without Kidd moves forward.

KeepKenny

06-25-2003, 06:25 PM

Don't we have a guy named James Posey who does just about the exact same thing RJ does? i mean, he runs the floor, gets at least 1 amazing ally-oop per game, and hits the occasional jump shot. Hell, i bet Posey could beat RJ in a footrace.

Wait. forget everything i just said. Posey never does windmill dunks. :rolleyes:

HotRocket

06-25-2003, 06:31 PM

Here we go again?

If we had kept Jefferson, we wouldn't have been able to get Yao and Boki.

I'd rather have a player who has emense potential in EG, Yao Ming, and Bokie; than a player who is hyped up because he is paired with one of the best PG's to every play the game.

Take away Kidd, which might actually happen, and Jefferson, like everyone said, is but a Shandon Anderson clone with better hops.

NIKEstrad

06-25-2003, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by KeepKenny
Hell, i bet Posey could beat RJ in a footrace.

More importantly, Posey would blow him out in a 3 point shooting contest.

Jefferson=Product of Jason Kidd.

PS- Check out J-Po's production over the last 2 months...

24 games, 30.1 MPG, 11.5 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 2.4 APG, 1.9 steals, 50.3% FG%, 39.1% 3P%, 86.7% FT%

If you just look at the last 8 games (month of April), it's even better all around.

Very nice...

FranchiseBlade

06-25-2003, 06:42 PM

A bad deja-vu. This thread was up about a month ago, and it was awful!!!!

TheFreak

06-25-2003, 06:47 PM

Jefferson only looks good because of Byron Scott's system.

ima_drummer2k

06-25-2003, 06:59 PM

We should have NEVER PICKED - RODNEY MCCRAY over Clyde Drexler

verse

06-25-2003, 06:59 PM

i guess you're not feeling all that lucky after all, huh?

that, or you're not so sure about your viewpoint. that's cool. sometimes we all speak (or in this case, type) without thinking first.

like damn near everyone else on here has posted, RJ is a product of jason kidd's brilliance. you see what happened to RJ when kidd wasn't setting him up didn't you? he got shut down. this is mainly because 1) his jumper is suspect 2) his ball handling is suspect; and because of #s 1 & 2... 3) he cannot create his own shot. now, i'll give him credit for having amazing athleticism. his putback dunks are cool. his rebounding is cool, too. but i'd take eddie griffin's upside over richard jefferson's, thank you very much.

ask yourself this...how good would a cutting, shotblocking, rebounding eddie griffin look alongside jason kidd? all of a sudden, he's not chucking up as many 3s. all of a sudden, he's getting easy baskets. all of a sudden, he's shooting near 50%. all of a sudden, he's getting all the hype that RJ has gotten. but, you see, LuckyAzn, i don't let the hype machine bother me. it doesn't fool me one bit.

check out RJ next season. you'll see the hype machine become broken, just like RJ's jumper...

garthomps

06-25-2003, 07:01 PM

I was infamous for posting these type of threads, though at this point, why look back?

I understand your point (I agree, EJ definitely was not worth the three picks which were traded for his rights) but forgetaboutit.

Over, done, and move on!

Lastly, lock this thread, please!

OmegaSupreme

06-25-2003, 07:07 PM

rockets-#1

06-25-2003, 07:44 PM

Richard Jefferson sucks! EG will end up being better. Only reason Jefferson has done better so far is cuz he was playing with the best PG in the NBA. I say again, EG will end up being better.

AroundTheWorld

06-25-2003, 07:52 PM

This thread needs a Doctor!

Yetti

06-25-2003, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Luckyazn
With all these talk about trading EG DO YOU GUYS THINK WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT RJ INSTEAD? I think we would have been a better team with RJ .. HE seems more INTENSE and we dont have players of his style who cuts and drives to the basket with a good shooting touch too. but then MO would have been our PF ?????

I have said at least 5 times that we didnt draft Jefferson. We selected him for New Jersey. We only traded picks. Each team selected their own players. From what I understand from others in the know,that we never intended to pick Jefferson.

rezdawg

06-25-2003, 08:00 PM

We only drafted RJ because the Nets told us to do so. Geez people. Enough with those comparisons.

Drewdog

06-25-2003, 08:18 PM

Hindsight is 20/20.

How the hell were we to know that Jefferson would be the man?

HotRocket

06-25-2003, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by rezdawg
We only drafted RJ because the Nets told us to do so. Geez people. Enough with those comparisons.
We were going to pick up Troy Murphy, who in all fairness, has shown more to me than Jefferson.

He has a nice shot, he is a great defender , and he isn't playing along side Jason Kidd.

AroundTheWorld

06-25-2003, 08:29 PM

Can someone drag DoD out of the Hangout? :D

adrian

06-25-2003, 08:30 PM

Granted if we would have never traded away Richard Jefferson for Eddie Griffin we would have probably been better off in the 01/02 season, but that would have also meant that we would have never been able to draft that 7'5" guy who plays center for us. So the moral of the story is you can't look back and "if" yourself to death, just be happy about the wonderful talent we already have in place and that the Rockets organization has some awesome people in charge who have probably forgoten more basketball than we even know.

AC

MFW2310

06-25-2003, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by verse

like damn near everyone else on here has posted, RJ is a product of jason kidd's brilliance. you see what happened to RJ when kidd wasn't setting him up didn't you? he got shut down. this is mainly because 1) his jumper is suspect 2) his ball handling is suspect; and because of #s 1 & 2... 3) he cannot create his own shot. now, i'll give him credit for having amazing athleticism. his putback dunks are cool. his rebounding is cool, too. but i'd take eddie griffin's upside over richard jefferson's, thank you very much.

ask yourself this...how good would a cutting, shotblocking, rebounding eddie griffin look alongside jason kidd? all of a sudden, he's not chucking up as many 3s. all of a sudden, he's getting easy baskets. all of a sudden, he's shooting near 50%. all of a sudden, he's getting all the hype that RJ has gotten. but, you see, LuckyAzn, i don't let the hype machine bother me. it doesn't fool me one bit.

check out RJ next season. you'll see the hype machine become broken, just like RJ's jumper...

You know what the problem is verse? Switch RJ's name with EG and this post would still be true. His jumper is suspect (or he has none), he just can't handle the ball, he cannot create his own shots and I'll give credit for his athleticism. As far as upside goes, that's subjective as supposed to objective. On thing that is for sure though, RJ came to play and wants to win. I guess I would feel better if EG smokes on the court instead of smokes weed.

Likemike33

06-25-2003, 09:44 PM

Let's us not talk about this please.
Have we not traded for Griffin we might not have a chance for Yao as well. So, let's not discuss this.

sbyang

06-25-2003, 10:36 PM

It was a trade that made alot of sense at the time. But some people are selling RJ short.

Originally posted by verse

like damn near everyone else on here has posted, RJ is a product of jason kidd's brilliance. you see what happened to RJ when kidd wasn't setting him up didn't you? he got shut down. this is mainly because 1) his jumper is suspect 2) his ball handling is suspect; and because of #s 1 & 2... 3) he cannot create his own shot. now, i'll give him credit for having amazing athleticism. his putback dunks are cool. his rebounding is cool, too. but i'd take eddie griffin's upside over richard jefferson's, thank you very much.

You forgot 4) He was in the NBA finals and got mugged on every drive, but I like how he responded in the late finals games, he's got heart and his mind will develop just like the jumpshot.

DavidS

06-26-2003, 01:12 AM

hpscc

06-26-2003, 02:40 AM

EG's numbers are similar to guys like Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry, two guys from his draft class who are supposed to be 'developing nicely.'

EG shouldn't be held to a higher standard because Jefferson was a more developed prospect out of college and went to a team with the best PG in the league.

Dusty Bottoms

06-26-2003, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by NIKEstrad
More importantly, Posey would blow him out in a 3 point shooting contest.

:D :D :D I wish there was a laughing smily thing. NICE!!!

TheHorns

06-26-2003, 12:34 PM

RJ + Francis/pg = Posey

lost_elephant

06-26-2003, 12:36 PM

matrixReloaded

06-26-2003, 12:48 PM

if jefferson was on a team that was half-court based, say ... Spurs or Lakers, no way would he be as successful as he is.
the Nets plays to his strength, which is run-run-run. i don't see the fascination with the guy, i mean, the league chose him as an Olympian over the likes of Finley, Francis, and others more deserving.

the NBA has a way of promoting individuals that are non-deserving, i.e. Richard Jefferson, Darius Miles, etc...

MFW2310

06-26-2003, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by hpscc
EG's numbers are similar to guys like Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry, two guys from his draft class who are supposed to be 'developing nicely.'

EG shouldn't be held to a higher standard because Jefferson was a more developed prospect out of college and went to a team with the best PG in the league.

If you draft somebody number 1 or if you traded first round picks for somebody, you better hold that somebody to a higher standard. Besides, are you saying Chandler and Curry's supporting cast is better than EG's? Playing on the Chicago Bulls, the other team actually have to guard them. When's the last time somebody put a body on EG? If he also plays on the Bulls then your post would make a bit more sense.

DarkHorse

06-26-2003, 07:20 PM

It occurs to me that since this is the eve of Draft Day 2003, this thread is a result of TWO YEARS of sour grapes.

I think it's time to get over it and move on.

The way things are going, it may just result in a little something to talk about tomorrow if Eddie gets shipped tonight.

I still think we should give Van Gundy a chance to whip him into shape, however...

TedRuxpin

06-26-2003, 07:25 PM

Who cares. This is all hindsight. Complain all you want. If we had kept Jefferson that year, we'd probably had had a better year, and we may not have made the lottery. Hence, we may not have Yao Ming now. Stop complaining. I"m sick of these hindsight threads.

hpscc

06-26-2003, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by MFW2310
If you draft somebody number 1 or if you traded first round picks for somebody, you better hold that somebody to a higher standard. Besides, are you saying Chandler and Curry's supporting cast is better than EG's? Playing on the Chicago Bulls, the other team actually have to guard them. When's the last time somebody put a body on EG? If he also plays on the Bulls then your post would make a bit more sense.

I don't think Chicago's cast is much worse then Houston's.

Around Chandler/Curry, they had Rose, Marshall, Williams, Crawford, Fizer(part of season.)

I'm just saying that Jefferson has exceeded expectations, while Griffin has been slightly below expections for this time, compounded by his off-the-court issues.

Deuce Rings

06-27-2003, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by verse
rj = shandn andersn w/more athleticism

you seem to be underestimating the greatness of jason kidd. in fact, i'd be more than glad to place a friendly $20 cc.net tip jar bet that rj's #s go down next year if jason kidd leaves...specifically his field goal percentage. you game?

Correction. RJ = Shandon Anderson with more athleticism, competitive desire, brains, and work ethic. Yes we never should have traded Jefferson for Griffin, but at the time I have to admit it did seem like the right move.