Bush resume

[JohnnyBlaze]

WORK EXPERIENCE:
I ran for congress and lost.
I produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.
I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas; company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took
land using taxpayer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the
Chicago White Sox.
With my father's help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
I changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
I replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America.

Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money. Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.
I became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
I attacked and took over two countries.
I spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
I shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
I set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
I set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
I am the first year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.
I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips than any other president in US history.
In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.
I cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.
I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
I set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.
I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
I presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
I cut healthcare benefits for war veterans. I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.>
I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
My presidency is the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.
Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).
I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
I created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.
I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight of any presidential administration in US history.
I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
I withdrew from the World Court of Law.
I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
My biggest lifetime campaign contributor, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.
I took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
I, with a policy of 'disengagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
I am the first US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
I set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
I failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
I failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.

I removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
In a little over two years I created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
I have At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
I was AWOL from National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war.
I refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (They can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.) Jay Schmidt The Daily Reporter 580 S. High St. Columbus, OH 43215 (614) 228-NEWS

[MadMax]

i'm pretty sure this has been done

[GreenVegan76]

Nice post, JohnnyBlaze. This guy has been an absolute disaster for this country, but because he has an (R) before his name, he'll probably be appointed again.

[MadMax]

i think the real question is whether or not he had good or bad intelligence about sammy's corkings before he traded him to the white sox. i don't think he lied to us about that. further, it would appear that the white sox were relying on the same intelligence! i mean, they traded him too!

great list, though. all very straightforward, truthful and in no way deceptive.

[JPM0016]

if you want want to start talking about his personal life then bill clinton's problems are about 3 times as much as bush.

[No Worries]

The sad thing is that this list is incomplete.

[MadMax]

i'm hoping there's an understanding here that you could flip it around...do a resume solely spun in a positive fashion...including taking credit for things he had little or no effect on (the same way he's given blame for those same things)...you do realize that, right? you do realize that what's presented as fact is from the observer's perspective, right?

[Mulder]

Originally posted by JPM0016
if you want want to start talking about his personal life then bill clinton's problems are about 3 times as much as bush.

please... he got a hummer and lied about it, so what? I'd much rather have slick willy than Bush. At least I knew my civil liberties were safe under Clinton.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by Mulder
please... he got a hummer and lied about it, so what? I'd much rather have slick willy than Bush. At least I knew my civil liberties were safe under Clinton.

AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!


(i'm pretty sure you guys do this just to torment me)

[MacBeth]

Originally posted by MadMax
i'm hoping there's an understanding here that you could flip it around...do a resume solely spun in a positive fashion...including taking credit for things he had little or no effect on (the same way he's given blame for those same things)...you do realize that, right? you do realize that what's presented as fact is from the observer's perspective, right?

MM...I agree, the list includes a lot of things which aren't really GW's fault, are spun,etc...

...however, and this is a point about Bush, if you were to try and come up with a real , accurate resume for the guy...not a counter spin, but an accurate reflection of his 'accomplishments', do you honestly think it would look all that good? Do you think that, aside from his father being President, thus qualifiying in the sadly ever increasingly important electoral factor of 'name recognition', if you were to look at his career leading up to the election, you'd say " President!'?


Now, this has nothing to do with Republican or Democrat to me...I actually prefered Bush, at the time of the elction to Gore...but ever since his actions and, well, personal abilites have made me question my leaning...and that leaning was sort of a better of two evils kind of thing.

But, in light of the Clark resume the other day...or Colin Powell's...or people like that...does Bush's qualification for President not seem incredibly meagre at best? The Presidnet is supposed to be chosen from among the very best, no? Ok...so what, exactly, is Bush outstanding at? ...or even very good? The things I liked about him pre-election; his rep for being bi-partisan, his staff ( especially Powell) all seem now to be terribly weak excuses, and were really only made in comparison with Gore.


Some say he's a nice guy...great...so's the check out guy at the grocery store...some say he's comitted....hurrah....MM, I ask you, seriously...why is this man President?


I see it as an indictment of how terrible political candidates have become recently. Gore was of the same calibre, although brighter, he also wasn't a leader, and seemed like a political opportunist to me. But the point I'm making, MM, is this: Rather than consider whether you could counter-spin up a positive resume for Dubya, ask yourself this: Can I really come up with a resume of this man, objectively, that explains why he is President, how he is among the very best, and gives me confidence in his qualification to lead our nation? Have his actions as President been such as to calm the fears that his resume would otherwise give rise to, or have they confirmed the opinion that the man is reckless, short-sighted, and not all that bright?

I was going to ask someone to come up with an objective resume to counter this one...because, sadly, a lot of the stuff on this resume is accurate, but I feel that including spin, hyperbole, etc. only serves to diminish an otherwise sadly accurate and frightening point. MM, if you'd like to do so, and remain objective about it, I'd love to read it.

[DaDakota]

It is garbage like this that puts us marginal bush supporters more firmly in his camp.

DD

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by DaDakota
It is garbage like this that puts us marginal bush supporters more firmly in his camp.

DD

nobody cares about you, texas is too solidly republican for it to matter.;)

[GreenVegan76]

Originally posted by JPM0016
if you want want to start talking about his personal life then bill clinton's problems are about 3 times as much as bush.

This isn't a contest between Bill Clinton and George Bush (though Americans try to make EVERYTHING a contest).

You can't compare the two. Look at what each accomplished (or didn't). By ANY measure, Bush has done virtually nothing positive for this country. If the best argument for Bush is that an intern hasn't blown him, that's pretty dang weak.

Was Clinton great? No, but what does he have to do with how sh!tty a president Bush is?

[Beckman]

as an aside...

Why do people always consider a budget surplus a good thing? Isn't a goverment surplus an abuse of power? The government is not a business, so they should not squirrel away my money. If I send them my money, and they can't use it, why did they take it? This isn't a political statement; I am not endorsing a party. I also am not saying that a deficit is good, or better than a surplus. But I see a lot of people praise the surplus, and I don't get it.

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by Beckman
as an aside...

Why do people always consider a budget surplus a good thing? Isn't a goverment surplus an abuse of power? The government is not a business, so they should not squirrel away my money. If I send them my money, and they can't use it, why did they take it? This isn't a political statement; I am not endorsing a party. I also am not saying that a deficit is good, or better than a surplus. But I see a lot of people praise the surplus, and I don't get it.

A budget surplus is concrete evidence of fiscal responsibility, fiscal responsibility is good, therefore a budget surplus is held up in contrast to a (record setting) budget deficit, which is a sign of fiscal irresponsibility, which is bad; or so the syllogism goes.

[Beckman]

A budget surplus is concrete evidence of fiscal responsibility, fiscal responsibility is good, therefore a budget surplus is held up in contrast to a (record setting) budget deficit, which is a sign of fiscal irresponsibility, which is bad; or so the syllogism goes.

...so the bigger the surplus, the better?

It seems like concrete evidence on fiscal irresponsibility.

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by Beckman
...so the bigger the surplus, the better?

It seems like concrete evidence on fiscal irresponsibility.

Nobody ever said bigger surpluses are better. I don't know why you brought it up, I didn't write that. Bigger deficits are definitely worse, however.

But in reality, you are right, bigger surpluses, in terms of our own government finances, WOULD have been better.

WHy? because in the short run, it was a surplus, but in the long run,even with record setting budget surpluses, the federal budget would have returned to deficits because of Social Security and Medicare costs. A larger surplus would have lessened or delayed this problem, but the current deficts of course have killed ths and made it that much worse.

If you honestly think that a budget surplus is more evidence of fiscal irresponsibilty than the banana republic fiscal policies that are currently in effect, then we should end this now as you and I will never find common ground.

[Beckman]

If you honestly think that a budget surplus is more evidence of fiscal irresponsibilty than the banana republic fiscal policies that are currently in effect, then we should end this now as you and I will never find common ground.

I don't think I ever claimed to prefer one fiscal policy to another, but I can see that is where you plan to take the discussion, so we shall discontinue.

[SamFisher]

Originally posted by Beckman
I don't think I ever claimed to prefer one fiscal policy to another, but I can see that is where you plan to take the discussion, so we shall discontinue.

It's not a matter of preference, its a matter of fact. Look at the governments that are on IMF probation and constantly hurting for money, now look at the ones that are not.

The ones that are not have solvent governments and have more stable political and economic situations.

It's not partisan or ideological to admit that a solvent government is better than an insolvent one.

[underoverup]

I became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.

This is the big one.

[DaDakota]

Originally posted by underoverup
I became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.

This is the big one.

What a bunch of garbage !!!!!!!

He won the electoral college, it had nothing to do with the popular vote.

At least have the decency to understand our political elections system before you post.

SHEESH !!!

DD

[underoverup]

Originally posted by DaDakota
What a bunch of garbage !!!!!!!

He won the electoral college, it had nothing to do with the popular vote.

At least have the decency to understand our political elections system before you post.

SHEESH !!!

DD

Yes, I have no understanding of our political system.

The Supreme Court had nothing to do with the outcome of the election.

Please D&D have some decency.

[GreenVegan76]

Originally posted by DaDakota
What a bunch of garbage !!!!!!!

He won the electoral college, it had nothing to do with the popular vote.

At least have the decency to understand our political elections system before you post.

SHEESH !!!

DD

Had the Supreme Court not stepped in (on a state matter, no less), Gore would have won the Electoral College, just as he did the popular vote. Of the 9 possible "recount methods," Gore would have won 8 of them.

And don't say, "Get over it." Democracy was stolen from voters, and the will of the people was trampled. Democracy is predicated on the candidate with the most votes wins. This did not happen. That so many people (conservative and liberal) have accepted this injustice shows just how brain-washed people are. Do you honestly think that if Gore had "won" the way Bush did, Republicans would have strapped on the kneepads and called for the nation to move on? Gimme a break. Gore would have been recalled, and rightfully so.

Bush was never elected President, and if he "wins" in 2004 it'll be because the corporation he chose to handle the national elections (Diebold) is a loyal Republican backer with strong conservative ties. Oh, and we'll never know because Bush made it illegal for ANYBODY to check the accuracy of the machines.

Nice.

[goophers]

Originally posted by underoverup
Yes, I have no understanding of our political system.

The Supreme Court had nothing to do with the outcome of the election.

Please D&D have some decency.


I'm so tempted to quote Gregonomics. DD is right and bringing up the popular vote (AGAIN!) is just a way for people that are staunchly anti-Bush to show that they have a vendetta and will oppose Bush at almost all costs. That kind of hardheaded stupidity is exactly what the administration is doing wrong. I see oddly similar circumstances when I hear about the election and Iraq.

Underoverup on Bush - something that happened three years ago, when I didn't get my way, PROVES that Bush is out to hurt America and is evil. The recognized legal authorities (Supreme Court) were biased against me!

Bush on Saddam - something that happened 12 years ago, when my father didn't get his way, PROVES that Saddam is out to hurt America and is evil. The recognized legal authorities (UN inspectors) were biased against me!


Do you not realize when you constantly bring up the same biased comments that it makes people that are not vehement Reps or Dems become more sympathetic with the opposite viewpoint? Argh!

[goophers]

Originally posted by GreenVegan76

Democracy is predicated on the candidate with the most votes wins. This did not happen. That so many people (conservative and liberal) have accepted this injustice shows just how brain-washed people are. Do you honestly think that if Gore had "won" the way Bush did, Republicans would have strapped on the kneepads and called for the nation to move on?

We don't live in a true democracy, and in this country the elections are not predicated on the candidate with the most votes winning. If Gore had won the same way, yes the Republicans would have complained. And I would have told them to shut up if they were still complaining months or years later.

[underoverup]

Goophers you seem a little defensive on this issue, sorry I brought it up. :)
Time to let sleeping dogs lie. ;)

[RocketMan Tex]

Originally posted by goophers
I'm so tempted to quote Gregonomics. DD is right and bringing up the popular vote (AGAIN!) is just a way for people that are staunchly anti-Bush to show that they have a vendetta and will oppose Bush at almost all costs.

And exactly how is that different from the 8 year long vendetta the Republican party waged against Bill Clinton?

People, civil discourse in this country has disappeared, and we had better get it back fast if we want to have any chance of solving the numerous problems facing this country.

[JPM0016]

the only reason i threw Clinton's name out there is because of the records and references portion of the first post. i said if you want to start getting into the personal stuff that was like 20 years ago then clintons far outweighs bush. I won't get into all of it, but there are numerous murders and scandals he's been linked to in some form and i'll leave it at that.

now with the resume - i don't care who the president is, you can always find a bunch of negatives like that. bush may have not done anything other than cut taxes and go to war but clinton didn't do much else either. So if your going to knock bush, not clinton as well. I've never seen a board so anti bush.

[mc mark]

Originally posted by RocketMan Tex

People, civil discourse in this country has disappeared, and we had better get it back fast if we want to have any chance of solving the numerous problems facing this country.

Speak to the man who wanted to bring a more "bipartisan" atmosphere to Washington.

[goophers]

Originally posted by underoverup
Goophers you seem a little defensive on this issue, sorry I brought it up. :)
Time to let sleeping dogs lie. ;)

Sorry if I offended, I'm just sick of what I think is mindless bashing. It's no different than the Clinton bashing, and I only lashed out against the Bush bashing because of the original topic of the post. All the 'Clinton and interns' and 'Bush is stupid' and 'Bush is not the president' comments may be rallying cries for Reps and Dems, but I think they just aggravate people that aren't committed to either side.

[wouldabeen23]

Originally posted by goophers
Sorry if I offended, I'm just sick of what I think is mindless bashing. It's no different than the Clinton bashing, and I only lashed out against the Bush bashing because of the original topic of the post. All the 'Clinton and interns' and 'Bush is stupid' and 'Bush is not the president' comments may be rallying cries for Reps and Dems, but I think they just aggravate people that aren't committed to either side.

as well as those whom ARE committed to a particular side..

[F.D. Khan]

I don't consider myself Republican or Democrat, but tend to lean more towards the Republican line of thinking.

Though I truly dissaprove of Jr.'s handling of the UN and his disregard for the international community, his economic reforms have been nothing less than extraordinary.

Lets not talk about Stock Market Crashes please. For the ignorant, though you may have lost money in the junk you bought; the S&P 500 Index is approximately where it was at in the Fourth Quarter of 1998, and the DJIA is around the 1999 area.

What bubble, I would dare to say??

[DaDakota]

Bush won the election fair and square as it is drawn up.

He won Florida, no matter what the margin.

He DID not win the popular vote, and if I had my way, it would be a popular vote only that counts, but being that it is an electoral college system...BUSH WON !!!

Now, Undercover...sorry for jumping on you so harshly, I get tired of hearing people bash Bush..just to bash him.

Just as I grew weary of people bashing Clinton.....

I just want to move on....

DD

[Batman Jones]

DD,

You haven't heard from me on the election in a long time, if at all. I can't recall when I started posting in the political stuff, but it was relatively recently. I was mad when it all went down, but I did let it go. But I can't let your last post stand.

First, it's worth remembering that the RNC were asked shortly before the election if they would accept an electoral loss if they'd won the popular vote. They said, in no uncertain terms, they would not. Any talk of sore losers after it went the other way is 'revisionist,' in Bush's new parlance.

More importantly, the idea that Bush won fairly no matter how you look at it is laughable on several counts. It dismisses (as the Bush team did) the numerous accounts of registered Dems (mostly blacks) being turned away from Florida polls due to imaginary felony convictions as well as a concerted effort to populate polls in poor neighborhoods with a strong police presence. It dismisses the butterfly ballots where great numbers of elderly Jewish Democrats had their votes registered for Pat Buchanan. And it dismisses the flawed recounts. We will never truly know how many actual votes were cast for each candidate (the unreliability of the paper ballots with their various states of dented or hanging chads precludes us ever knowing this with certainty). What we can pretty easily surmise, based on the butterfly situation alone, is that more people in Florida sincerely intended to cast votes for Gore.

All that said, though I think that democracy was certainly not served (as, no matter how you slice it, many people went to the polls to vote and had their votes chucked in the trash), I have let this go and I don't intend to complain about it again. That is, except when people say Bush won fairly by any standard. That is patently false and you ought to know better.

[No Worries]

Anyway that you do a count or recount has a margin of error. All of the counts that I have seen, the winner won by less than the margin of error. Thus, the Florida vote was essentially a tie.

Now, Gore might have gotten past the margin of error if the rolls were not cooked by Jeb et al.

[DaDakota]

You guys are grasping at straws...the mythical voters that were turned away.....etc..etc...

Bush won Florida, even if it was by one solitary vote...he won.

Now...he did LOSE the popular vote, I concede that...and wish that the winner was decided by that alone.

It isn't therefore, Bush won fair and square....done deal...it is over....I am tired of hearing about it.

Don't want to hear about Monica Lewinsky or Whitewater anymore either.

DD

[giddyup]

Originally posted by Batman Jones
All that said, though I think that democracy was certainly not served (as, no matter how you slice it, many people went to the polls to vote and had their votes chucked in the trash), I have let this go and I don't intend to complain about it again. That is, except when people say Bush won fairly by any standard. That is patently false and you ought to know better.
DD didn't say that Bush won fairly by any standard; he said Bush won by the standard in effect.

I think Democracy was served; it withstood this flap without bloodshed. Didn't Saddam get 100% of the Iraqi vote... :D

[Batman Jones]

DaDakota,

I'm actually tired of hearing about it too, but when you assert that Bush definitely won Florida you're going to hear about it from me. The voters who were turned away were not mythical, but even discounting them the butterfly ballots alone indicate more people went to the polls for Gore in Florida. Even leaving those people who mistakenly voted Buchanan though, there is absolutely no way to know who received more votes. No way. I'm willing to let it go until someone says something as stupid as you said about the whole thing.

giddyup,

First off, DD said Bush won fair and square. That simply isn't true. I don't suggest there was a better way to handle it and I don't even suggest sinister behavior on the parts of Jeb or Katherine or even the Supreme Court. I can imagine sinister behavior from any of them, but I'd never assert it. I can't possibly know. So maybe there wasn't a better way to break what was, as near as we can tell, a tie. That's why I don't bring it up anymore. But while it may have been as fair as possible to the candidates and the parties, it was absolutely unfair to the voters. Not what went down after the vote, but what went down before and during it. People were disenfranchised of their votes. In America. That's unconscionable.

The butterfly ballots (which I readily admit were designed by a Democrat official, but that's not the fault of the Dem voters whose intended votes weren't registered), the systematic intimidation of minorities and, perhaps worst (since election officials were absolutely aware of the problem) the paper punch card ballots, which had resulted in many, many lost votes in every election in which they were used all add up to a failure of our American voting system. We are, each of us, entitled to a vote. Many people in Florida (and elsewhere), of all political persuasions, were robbed of theirs. That is anything but fair.

[MadMax]

Originally posted by GreenVegan76
Had the Supreme Court not stepped in (on a state matter, no less), Gore would have won the Electoral College, just as he did the popular vote. Of the 9 possible "recount methods," Gore would have won 8 of them.


you're going to have to provide sources on this one, Vegan, because that is exactly the opposite of my understanding.

[Achebe]

MadMax, you should check out the Miami Herald.

Gore won.

Even after that tramp and her henchmen "accidentally" deleted thousands upon ****ING THOUSANDS of eligible voters from the lists. the majority of whom were accidentally from African-American and democratic leaning neighborhoods. Even then, we still had won. But those treacherous ****s from the Supreme Court supplanted the will of the people. Yes, they protected Bush from harm, the harm of being seen as an illegitimate president.

You guys really take the cake. You ride Clinton's jock about being a draft dodger. Point.

But you up the ante and vote for an awol ***** that didn't even have the honor to stick it out in the guard.

You guys label Gore a liar. Now Newt ****ing Gingrich disagrees with you, but you decide to up the ante and spend hundreds of millions of dollars in corporate whore financing to belabor the point.

And you vote for a son of a bitch who evaded talk about his a) cocaine habits b) his drunk driving crime, shall I go on? Batman Jones and I all hounded on you guys that the charges leading up to the war were bs, where's the beef, yadda yadda yadda... and we're still wondering where the beef is. Man, I'm tired of being right.

The guy sent thousands of Muslims to their deaths. Hundreds of Americans... executing the goddamn Carter Doctrine, and you guys pretend that the corporate whore Clinton proves the point that Bush isn't a liar??? It's our goddamn policy guys, wake up. Hello? Israel? Hello? Oil?

You're all either incredibly misinformed, or the most disingenuous lot there is. DaDakota, sure, I recognize the fact that he's a parrot that just takes up bandwith by arguing status quo on every single point, but Max, you pretend to actually have a hint of objectivity in your thinking. Why don't you just admit it? You voted for Bush b/c he is your little born again, can do no harm, tax cutting conservative... you'll defend him now b/c he is your guy. If his name was Bill, you would eviscerate him for all of the things that we hound him on daily. But he's "in", ehhh. You just "feel good" about him, huh?

What a bunch of bull****. There's nothing compassionate about conservatism. The republican party does not monopolize morality. Why don't you guys act like the Christians you pretend to be... you know, get rid of the homophobia, the mormon-bashing, the racism...

Quit being so damn transparently hypocritical
(*whoa* all of this is really just b/c Hatch is using pirated software... but... I feel better after letting off the steam, so I'll let it stand)

[mc mark]

Hello Achebe

damn

:cool:

[JPM0016]

Achebe, i hear France is lovely this time of year

you know, get rid of the homophobia, the mormon-bashing, the racism...

if my memory serves me correct, Robert Byrd the senior most democratic senator in washington was a klansmen, so what's your point?

[Achebe]

that you're glad to have him jpm.

Just quit acting like you have a monopoly on friggin' morality. You're a human.

[Achebe]

hey mc mark. :cool:

incidentally jpm, I don't know what this means:
i hear France is lovely this time of year

perhaps you're highlighting the fact that you're a mental midget by insulting my patriotism. blow me.

but just for the record, plane tickets are a bit too expensive for paris right now.

[JPM0016]

obviously your the one full of hate, not me

[Batman Jones]

Originally posted by JPM0016
obviously your the one full of hate, not me

Actually, our old friend Heb's just full of patriotic indignation, while you are full of parrot food.

[JPM0016]

parrott food - lol!!! that's funny

[Mr. Clutch]

Originally posted by Achebe
MadMax, you should check out the Miami Herald.

Gore won.


I thought that in most of the methods they used, Bush won, and Gore won in only one.

[JPM0016]

Mr. Clutch your right, i remember seeing a story on it. I don't even remember them saying Gore won 1, but i might have missed that.

[mc mark]

Nice to see you back caped crusader

How was your trip?

[Batman Jones]

Originally posted by mc mark
Nice to see you back caped crusader

How was your trip?

Kicked my ass, if you really wanna know. Never fly AirTran. I wouldn't if I'd known ahead of time it was just a fancy name for ValueJet. Plus I always party too hard in NYC. Harder even than in Houston. Ask someone who knows me in 3-D how bad that actually is. If I'd had more time I woulda looked up some of you NY .netters. As it was I was too busy getting loaded and laid. Thanks for asking. It's good to be back.

[mc mark]

I'll start dogging your company's ass if you don't hook up next time.

[Achebe]

:eek:

damn Batman! Gotham treats you right.

ps mc and jpm, I'll grab the miami herald link... oh fooey, i'll get it now, hold on... (I should have set this up... we could have bet chic-fil-a gift certificates or something; unfortunately my chic-fil-as don't have sweet tea).

After months of work and some $450,000 in expenses, the banner headline in last Wednesday's paper declared: Review shows ballots say Bush.

And the headline was absolutely accurate, sort of. If the review simply picked up where the recount had left off in December, George W. Bush actually added votes to his official victory under the most commonly used standards for counting damaged ballots (ironically, standards that his campaign opposed).PANDORA'S BOX
Review showed George W. Bush won the Florida election, sort of.

But -- and here's where Pandora's Box opened -- if the recount had been started from scratch in each of Florida's 67 counties, The Herald concluded ``Gore would be in the White House today.''

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/politics/2070914.htm

ps, you guys didn't take issue w/ the other claim that I made, that katherine tramp harris evicted thousands of legitimate voters... most of whom are black, from the voting booths. you should bet me, err. a chic-fil-a sandwich and large waffle fry that this is not the case. Come on. I dare you. actually, forget the sandwich... if I'm right, you have to respond for 2 weeks straight, 3x a day... in this forum, to any political post... w/ the words "I cannot believe I voted for Bush. I am a tool." -- and only those words.

I'll write whatever you come up with, if I'm wrong. Bet me. BET ME. BET ME.

[underoverup]

Damm I thought the polo/mullet debate was a firestorm. Gore Wins, Gore Wins, Gore Wins. Ya know i'm right. Electoral Collage stick and paste where you see fit. Reagan/Bush Supreme court nomz will fit in the rest of the pattern. What comes around goes around, thats my opinion. ;)

[FranchiseBlade]

Originally posted by Beckman
as an aside...

Why do people always consider a budget surplus a good thing? Isn't a goverment surplus an abuse of power? The government is not a business, so they should not squirrel away my money. If I send them my money, and they can't use it, why did they take it? This isn't a political statement; I am not endorsing a party. I also am not saying that a deficit is good, or better than a surplus. But I see a lot of people praise the surplus, and I don't get it.

It would be if we didn't have a huge debt from past administrations to make up for. The only way to really make up for that debt is to have a surplus. Until that's paid down some a surplus is the best way to actually cut govt. spending. It seems odd, but it's true.

[Mr. Clutch]

Originally posted by Achebe
:eek:

damn Batman! Gotham treats you right.

ps mc and jpm, I'll grab the miami herald link... oh fooey, i'll get it now, hold on... (I should have set this up... we could have bet chic-fil-a gift certificates or something; unfortunately my chic-fil-as don't have sweet tea).



http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/politics/2070914.htm



This is from an editorial column, and I can't find that quote for Gore winning, I must just be missing it.. I went to another article, and I found that there is only one way Gore could win:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/politics/2486514.htm

"SCENARIO 2: The Clean-Punch Scenario

There is one scenario under the Florida Supreme Court order that would have led to a Gore victory -- though it was unlikely. That would have happened if the precincts affected by the Florida Supreme Court order had been counted with only clean punches counting in the punch card counties.

Why is it so unlikely? Because the application of that standard only in the affected precincts would have required the Miami-Dade canvassing board to switch standards in the middle of its count.

Nevertheless, applying the standard underscores the random nature of dimpling. In the counties to be counted under the state court order, Bush actually benefited from the inclusion of dimples, pinpricks and hanging chads.

The scenario also assumes that the results in optical scan counties would have remained the same, since markings for president on those ballots are more obvious."




Here are some quotes from the original Herald article:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/politics/2071226.htm

"Republican George W. Bush's victory in Florida, which gave him the White House, almost certainly would have endured even if a recount stopped by the U.S. Supreme Court had been allowed to go forward."

"What would have happened if the U.S. Supreme Court had not halted the sweeping recount of undervotes -- ballots without presidential votes detected by counting machines -- ordered by the Florida Supreme Court on Dec. 8, a month after the November election?

The answer: under almost all scenarios, Bush still would have won."

"Contrary to popular belief, mismarks for Gore were less likely than mismarks for Bush in punch-card counties. Marks of some type were found in the Bush position on one ballot for every 172 valid Bush punch-card votes; marks in the Gore position were found on one ballot for every 181 valid Gore punch-card votes."




ps, you guys didn't take issue w/ the other claim that I made, that katherine tramp harris evicted thousands of legitimate voters... most of whom are black, from the voting booths. you should bet me, err. a chic-fil-a sandwich and large waffle fry that this is not the case. Come on. I dare you. actually, forget the sandwich... if I'm right, you have to respond for 2 weeks straight, 3x a day... in this forum, to any political post... w/ the words "I cannot believe I voted for Bush. I am a tool." -- and only those words.

I'll write whatever you come up with, if I'm wrong. Bet me. BET ME. BET ME. [/B]

Hmmm, I don't know much about that. I'll look into it...

[Achebe]

hey mc... I hoped to relay that quote in my previous post...

but reading your link (I guess 1 of 6; we should brave the other 5) only depresses me. For no other reason, than the fact that people are really... really... how do I say this....

'sad'?

People were writing in the candidates that they were voting for in the previous portion of the ballott. Why?

People were... oh, I can't brave it anymore. I'm so depressed. God people are... oops, son-in-law-of-woman-who-teaches developmentally-disabled-kid-urge to not say 'retarded'... but... people are...

'sad'?

Incidentally, that was the 'headline', I believe, referenced in the editorial. At the bottom of the link in my previous post (again here (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/politics/2070914.htm)) there are 5 more articles. We should brave them later on... maybe after I have a bit more faith in humanity.

Oh wait (theme from rocky getting louder in my head), Harry Potter comes out tonight at 12:01am!! There is reason for hope! Everything is going to be okay!! I hope that girly-man Lucious gets his ass kicked all over the place by Sirius!

I gotta get to Barnes & Noble! WHOOHOO!!

[MacBeth]

MM...I have been looking forward to your response to my question. Did you miss it?