ClutchFans - Still early, but predict the Texan's record next year

rockets-#1

06-20-2003, 01:32 AM

I think the Texans helped themselves out alot this offseason. I say 8-8, that's realistic. The last 2 expansion teams went to their respective conference championships in their second seasons did they not? David Carr is gonna make a bigger name for himself nationally besides just having the sack record, he's too good not to do damn good.

rezdawg

06-20-2003, 01:33 AM

Our schedule is very difficult. 6 wins would be very impressive.

Mr. Mooch

06-20-2003, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by rockets-#1
The last 2 expansion teams went to their respective conference championships in their second seasons did they not?

Wow, I don't ever remember the Browns being so good!!!

MadMax

06-20-2003, 09:07 AM

if we had the same schedule as last year, i think i could say 7 wins or so....but given the schedule for this year...i'm guessing 5 wins.

i'm really not trying to be pessimistic! i'm a HUGE texan fan! i really hope they surprise me....and in the NFL, that's VERY possible.

Mr. Clutch

06-20-2003, 09:57 AM

13-3

Raven Lunatic

06-20-2003, 01:10 PM

I think 6 wins is not entirely unrealistic, but I would not be terribly upset if they didn't win any more than they did last season. All I really look for is improvement of the key players.

Lil Francis

06-20-2003, 01:19 PM

6-10 next season then we draft Frank Gore. 3rd season 11-5 and division champs.

coma

06-20-2003, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by Lil Francis
6-10 next season then we draft Frank Gore. 3rd season 11-5 and division champs.

F. Gore over M. Clarett if he comes out?

Groogrux

06-20-2003, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by coma
F. Gore over M. Clarett if he comes out?

Without a legal battle, Clarett will not be able to come out next year. I believe he'll be a true sophomore this season.

PhiSlammaJamma

06-20-2003, 02:32 PM

4-12

Lil Francis

06-20-2003, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by coma
F. Gore over M. Clarett if he comes out? Yeah I would. Clarett really does not blow me away like Gore. I see Gore being another version of Marshall Faulk.

rocketfan83

06-21-2003, 03:38 AM

After glancing at their schedule Ill predict 5-11 thats a pretty tough schedule. Cant wait till Mike Vick comes to town. :)

Behad

06-21-2003, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by rocketfan83
please try to get jay williams

You might want to change that sig now.....

ROXRAN

06-21-2003, 08:19 PM

yep, tough schedule...5, maybe 6 wins.

mrpaige

06-21-2003, 08:35 PM

16-0, of course.

D-Roc

06-22-2003, 05:12 PM

The Texans have the makings of a great 1-2 recieving punch with Johnson, and Jaffney, but I'm not sold on Carr. Coming out I liked Harrington alot more and felt he would become the better pro. Both proved they could take a beating but they didin't really distinguish themeselves from one another. I still like Harrington over Carr, but Carr has the potential to be a good one.

Ric

06-22-2003, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by D-Roc
I'm not sold on Carr.

Originally posted later by D-Roc in the same thread...
Carr has the potential to be a good one.
:rolleyes:

BobFinn*

06-22-2003, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by D-Roc
Jaffney

It's Gaffney. Jabar Gaffney.

rezdawg

06-22-2003, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by D-Roc
The Texans have the makings of a great 1-2 recieving punch with Johnson, and Jaffney, but I'm not sold on Carr. Coming out I liked Harrington alot more and felt he would become the better pro. Both proved they could take a beating but they didin't really distinguish themeselves from one another. I still like Harrington over Carr, but Carr has the potential to be a good one.

I wouldnt hesitate for a second anymore. Carr over Harrington without a doubt.

Carr is already a good one. He has the potential to be a great one, which I believe he will be, based on his hard work and dedication.

D-Roc

06-22-2003, 08:44 PM

And Harrington dosen't possess those same characteristics?

BTW, my bad on the misspelling of Gaffney. I goofed. Bradford ain't a bad #3 either.

Lil Francis

06-22-2003, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by D-Roc
The Texans have the makings of a great 1-2 recieving punch with Johnson, and Jaffney, but I'm not sold on Carr. Coming out I liked Harrington alot more and felt he would become the better pro. Both proved they could take a beating but they didin't really distinguish themeselves from one another. I still like Harrington over Carr, but Carr has the potential to be a good one. Gaffney/Johnson will make a nice combo. I don't think they are a Bruce/Holt combo but they should be very dangerous.

ima_drummer2k

06-22-2003, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by Lil Francis
Gaffney/Johnson will make a nice combo. I don't think they are a Bruce/Holt combo but they should be very dangerous. Don't forget about Bradford. He was double teamed all last year because we didn't have a 2nd go-to receiver. With Johnson being drafted and Gaffney having a year of learning under his belt, Bradford should get more single coverages. I look for him to have a nice year.

rezdawg

06-23-2003, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by D-Roc
And Harrington dosen't possess those same characteristics?

First off, Carr is more grounded (wife, kids, etc...).
Secondly, Carr is physically more imposing.
Thirdly, Carr was slightly more impressive during the rookie campaign. I dont see how you would place Harrington in front of Carr.

What can Harrington do that Carr cant?

For you to say that you arent sold on Carr is ridiculous. And to say that you would still have Harrington over Carr is even more absurd given the fact that you gave no reasoning to your decision.

Ric

06-23-2003, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by ima_drummer2k
Don't forget about Bradford. He was double teamed all last year because we didn't have a 2nd go-to receiver.
bradford wasn't double-teamed; he's a mediocre WR, at best, who's game -- the deep ball -- was discovered and snuffed fairly early last year. he just doesn't bring much beyond speed to the table.

Roc Paint

06-23-2003, 06:38 PM

I'm looking for .500 or better. I believe this team is going to suprise alot of people this year, including myself.

off topic:
Could someone please post a pic of David Carr's signature. I've looked all over and I can't seem to find it anywhere.

calling...BobFinn*

BobFinn*

06-23-2003, 08:00 PM

http://www.tristarproductions.com/Sales/Images/Football/CarrD-FB.jpg

http://www.tristarproductions.com/Carr/Items/2Football.htm

RIET

06-23-2003, 08:10 PM

Im hoping for a 3-13 season and we get the #1 draft choice, trade down, acquire multiple picks, sign a few free agents, get an easy schedule and get to the playoffs the following season.

PhiSlammaJamma

06-23-2003, 08:13 PM

Let's all pray Carr can get to his third read (Bradford) before getting squashed :), but I know what you mean, as a third WR, he has a weapon. He lit up Buffalo early with that speed.

Roc Paint

06-23-2003, 08:14 PM

Thanks Bob, close enough. ;) :)

mrpaige

06-23-2003, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by RIET
Im hoping for a 3-13 season and we get the #1 draft choice, trade down, acquire multiple picks, sign a few free agents, get an easy schedule and get to the playoffs the following season.

Of course, the last place schedule isn't what it used to be. Only two games are different for the 1st place team in a division vs the last place team in the same division.

For example, the Texans and Titans both play Miami, New Orleans, Jacksonville (x2), Indy (x2), New York Jets, Carolina, Buffalo, New England, Atlanta, and Tampa Bay. And they play each other twice. That's 14 games of each team's schedule.

The only difference is Tennessee gets Oakland and Pittsburgh, while Houston gets Kansas City and Cincinnati.

I don't know that you can count on those two different games as making a big difference.

rockets-#1

06-24-2003, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by Mr. Mooch
Wow, I don't ever remember the Browns being so good!!!

You know I meant Jacksonville and Carolina. Cleveland was so worthless I totally forgot about them.

D-Roc

06-24-2003, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by rezdawg
First off, Carr is more grounded (wife, kids, etc...).
Secondly, Carr is physically more imposing.
Thirdly, Carr was slightly more impressive during the rookie campaign. I dont see how you would place Harrington in front of Carr.

What can Harrington do that Carr cant?

For you to say that you arent sold on Carr is ridiculous. And to say that you would still have Harrington over Carr is even more absurd given the fact that you gave no reasoning to your decision.

Your right he is well grounded. 70+ sacks will get you to the ground all the time (coulden't resist). How is Carr physically more imposing? Both are around the same hight and weight. Both played at the same level last season. around 2000-2500 passing yards. But Harrington is a winner. He proved that in Oregon. And he has great composure and is calm under pressure (all the 4th quarter comebacks he has had in Oregon). Also Harrington didin't have to change his release like Carr had to.

I look at both quarterbacks and I don't see anything specail in Carr, but I see a all-pro in Harrington.

To clarify, I'm not a Lions fan.

rezdawg

06-24-2003, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by D-Roc
How is Carr physically more imposing?

This is how...

http://www.rocketpillow.com/bs/img/beast.jpg

As far as Harrington being a winner, look at his numbers last year and then factor in that he had all sorts of free time on his hands while Carr, as you said, was grounded.

D-Roc

06-25-2003, 12:10 AM

Both Carr and Harrington had little to work with in their rookie season. But this year is different. Both have added future all-pro recievers, and both teams have somewhat improved there defense. But look for Marriuchi to really push Harrington's development.

rockets-#1

06-25-2003, 12:56 AM

I think Carr did better than Harrington did and he did with an expansion team! If Harrington's numbers would have been a lot better, I could see how someone would say he was better. They weren't though and he wasn't commanding a first year team. Carr is the all-pro.

rockets-#1

06-25-2003, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by rezdawg
This is how...

http://www.rocketpillow.com/bs/img/beast.jpg

As far as Harrington being a winner, look at his numbers last year and then factor in that he had all sorts of free time on his hands while Carr, as you said, was grounded.

Oh yeah, great response reddawg, I love your wit haha.

tierre_brown

06-25-2003, 01:35 AM

Apparently everyone is forgetting about our big TE Billy Miller, who ended up being the leading receiver, I think. With the addition of Bennie Jopporu, who is more of a blocking TE, Miller should be able to up his production and should emerge as Carr's emergency bailout receiver if a playcall goes awry. As for Bradford, he is just a speedster who burns it straight for the deep ball; he was hobbled by an injury which made his speed a nonfactor. He remains only a competent #3 receiver behind the young yet extremely talented Johnson/Gaffney duo, who will surprise lots of defenses this year by their precicious skills.

Let's face it, this team, even with the significant upgrades, will still have offensive line problems if Boselli isn't back, though Carr won't get sacked 70+ times again. Our D is good, but against a tough schedule, realistic goals have me aiming at 5 games, 7 at most.

D-Roc

06-25-2003, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by rockets-#1
Carr is the all-pro.

Bledsoe is an all-pro. Carr is a 2nd year quarterback who in his 1st season was sacked liked crazy, and when he wasen't getting sacked he wasen't doing anything to show he is an all-pro. Let the guy have a winning season, a high rating, 3000+ yard season and 20+ td season before you call him an all-pro.

rezdawg

06-25-2003, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by D-Roc
Bledsoe is an all-pro. Carr is a 2nd year quarterback who in his 1st season was sacked liked crazy, and when he wasen't getting sacked he wasen't doing anything to show he is an all-pro. Let the guy have a winning season, a high rating, 3000+ yard season and 20+ td season before you call him an all-pro.

In the same way, let Harrington do something better than Carr before declaring Harrington the better quarterback.

rockets-#1

06-25-2003, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by D-Roc
Bledsoe is an all-pro. Carr is a 2nd year quarterback who in his 1st season was sacked liked crazy, and when he wasen't getting sacked he wasen't doing anything to show he is an all-pro. Let the guy have a winning season, a high rating, 3000+ yard season and 20+ td season before you call him an all-pro.

I'm just saying Carr will be the All-Pro and will have a better career than Harrington. If most everything goes the Texans way next season, 6-8 wins is not far fetched.

rrj_gamz

06-27-2003, 12:21 PM

Carr will improve, but it'll take some time (due to line problems) to blosson into a probowl type playa...

I predict the Texans go 7-9, and just miss the wild card...

D-Roc

06-27-2003, 11:06 PM

After talking about Carr and Harrington here, I posed the question at my Bills website about whom they thought would be the better QB. Here's what they had to say.

Carr or Harrington (http://www.buffalorange.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32661)

BTW, if you ever want to discuss football in another forum with knowledgable fans Billsinsider is the site. AS long as you comewith good football talk you can expect alot more back in return there.

IROC it

06-30-2003, 01:55 AM

9 and 7

D-Roc

07-02-2003, 12:27 AM

I would say a good year for the Texans would be 6 wins and 3 lossing games in which you were in it till the end.

BTW, I really like the Jags to emerge as your divison champs. I really like what they have done on both sides of the ball, and the new coaching staff should add extra motivation around a place that has seemed dead for the past few seasons.

ima_drummer2k

07-02-2003, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by D-Roc
and 3 lossing games in which you were in it till the end.
Kind of like the loss to the Bills last year? You's guys got lucky! ;)

D-Roc

07-02-2003, 02:07 AM

Lucky had nothing to do with it. The 2nd half was a thing of beauty. Our D clammped down and shut down your offense (the only score you got in the 2nd half came on Henry's fumble). Take away that fluke 80+ yard play to Bradford in the beggining and the game isin't close.

But you guys are building the team the right way. If everyone is patient then this team can be a contender in a few years. Much like the Browns of last year, but hopefully you woulden't lose all your defensive players after 1 good year.